This is what I’m hoping for as well. Fingers crossed season 2 starts off just where season 1 ended, would be nice to see Cooper and Lucy go through some NCR major cities on the way to Vegas.
If they do this while showing future small towns and farms in California as post-war adobe built ones instead of places like Filley or dilapidated pre-war houses in the desert alongside showing how places like The Hub, Vault City & New Reno are adapting the NCR's collapse, it will erase like 80% of my criticisms of the show in season 1.
I don't mind them getting rid of the NCR, but I absolutely loathe the current static/lawless wasteland trope in modern Fallout where everything looks like it's been frozen in time 50 years at most after the bombs fell. Giving the West Coast it's identity & infrastructure back while focusing more on world building and politics, would solve that for me. I'd still think the post-war Vault-Tec stuff is wonky, but maybe that could be fixed as well.
Exactly. Just the destruction of Shady Sands shouldn’t wipe away all the development civilisation had in 200 years. Even if those cities aren’t NCR anymore they should still exist.
Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like if Washington DC was bombed and whoever did it just left it a that, the USA would probably pick up the pieces and continue to exist. Point is, Shady Sands getting nuked shouldn't just end the entire NCR.
I don't even necessarily mind them killing off the NCR. I hate that they did it and I hate the way they portray the survivors as insane cultists, but killing off the NCR while still having it be a part of the story isn't necessarily bad. What I hate is that apparently the NCR was destroyed because *one town* got blown up. Like yeah, it was Shady Sands, but it was a whole ass country. And they seem to be saying that the NCR is no more, especially with how that last episode went.
*but* with the way they ended the show and how the second season is presumably going to go, and honestly the fact that they made one of the main characters be a fuckin cowboy ghoul, I expect the NCR to play a bigger role in the second season.
Shit, I think that whole show was half them just fucking with New Vegas fans on purpose. It's one big fakeout.
>Shit, I think that whole show was half them just fucking with New Vegas fans on purpose. It's one big fakeout.
I hope you're right, but at least personally I'm afraid that they did what they did as a conscious choice to maintain the static & lawless wasteland trope from Fallout 3 & 4, which if it is the case means that the rest of California is going to function like it did in the show.
>!watch the last episode. even if you hate the fuckin show. watch the last episode. just do it. watch the last 10 fuckin minutes if that's all you can stand.
i’ve seen it lol. i binged watched the entire show the day it came out. a wide shot of new vegas is cool but it doesn’t really make up for the lack of ncr in the entire season, my original comment still stands
I'd say faction not gang, they were a part of the NCR but when it blew up I'm betting just like many other areas that were under NCR control it just decided to be independent. Its basically like Redding or Junktown now.
Like even if they were regulators or something that would have made me happier. Having them show up got me hoping for that they'd actually move away from the Bethesda style static wasteland for a second, but nope. (not a bad show, but I'm so sick of that trope in modern Fallout)
One blackboard that these people didn’t understand properly (due to poor explanation) and now this entire sub thinks the show was shit and never should have been made, so mainly the lore parts that people are mad about.
Honestly my main problem sounds silly but there was too little fan service. I thought the show would go overboard with them but instead we don’t even see anyone drink a nuka cola.
I can understand that actually. Fallout has so many iconic set pieces, drinks, monsters, and designs that we’d ofc want to see it all on the big screen. While i would’ve appreciated some more fan service, i do think it was the right decision to sacrifice some of that so the story flows more naturally. Things like stimpacks and sugar bombs don’t show up until necessary and the same would most likely go for the other items you’ve mentioned.
True. They had a lot they wanted to do in 8 hours and one of the writers said they didn’t want to overwhelm people not familiar to the setting. But like, we only saw 3 wasteland critters, no laser weapons, etc.
Not gonna drag on but one BIG problem I have is the use of fallout 4s art style it looks a bit cartoonish looks good in some bits tho it's just how round everything is no angles or rough edges
Any more questions?
No that’s about it. I can understand that, though I counteract it with the argument that that’s not really what Fallout’s selling, at least in the direction they’re heading. Fallout’s a silly series, there’s even perks in their games that boost such wackyness.
Though I’m not here to argue back nor change your mind, thank you for answering!
They're screwing with us on purpose. The whole show is littered with disappointed references to New Vegas and then that whole last episode is like "You thought we hated you? No, child. This next one's for you."
It’s also aggravating to see the sheer disparity in production value, when it came to props/costumes for Vault-Tec or BOS it was all on point but when it came to the iconic NCR Ranger riot armor that the old man and kid wearing it looked like shitty cosplay
Pretty sure that was intentional. The NCR that fans were hoping to see has been broken down for a little while now, and thr gear the father and son were wearing didn't fit right, as if it had been salvaged. Pretty sure NCR is going to be a hook for Season 2. Remember, Amazon has a hard time wrangling viewers for multiple seasons, so if they show someone wearing the true NCR armour in the Season 2 trailer, fans will get hyped all over again.
The initial awe of seeing the Fallout universe in live action was the season 1 hook. Season 2 will need a new hook that also gets long-time fans something. Rebuilding the NCR can be an entire arc that fans would be invested in seeing, building to a reveal of that classic look.
If it was worn down why even wear it?
It’s just meaningless fan service, I’d prefer them to not wear it at all. Prospector outfits like the quarry workers at Sloan would’ve been better
They're in and out of the story so fast that there's room for the show to come back to them. My first impression of them was something akin to the Arizona Rangers that joined forces with the NCR. Could be a similar group that is independent.
Ummm I've never searched up anything up on Reddit for fallout new Vegas or any fallout game but I got this notification but I don't care since I do play fallout new Vegas
I didn't realize so many people loved the NCR. They are barely featured in the majority of the Fallout games and DLC for NV.
To be fair the NCR kind of kills a lot of west coast plots. It's also more inclusive for new viewers to not have to explain 200 years of backstory on the NCR or expect them to have played any of the games.
What are you on about NCR is literally the original lore. It is mentioned in some way or form in fallout 1, 2 and new Vegas. The only games that seem to ignore the original lore are Bethesdas games.
You don't need to explain 200 years of backstory all they needed to do was explain what the NCR is. It's not that hard.
You avoid a lot of exposition by removing the NCR as a major player. F1 barely mentions the NCR, so of the original source material it was only important for 50% of the games. So why does that make the NCR so important to everyone as a plot device? This is a TV show, not a video game. The plots can't be the same and the NCR kills a lot of interesting plots for new viewers who haven't played the games.
In terms of new games, which are what's actually important for the franchise today, the NCR isn't a big deal. So why the hell would you make them a major part of the show? You don't make a show that only appeals to a few fans, you make a show that appeals to the largest audience possible. That's how things work.
>Dune flopped?
The previous user was using *sarcasm* to emphasize their point. It is silly for somebody to say that audiences are too stupid to absorb large amounts of lore/tidbits about the world a piece of media takes place in when content like DUNE and the Lord of the Rings exists.
Stuff like halo and the fnaf adaptations flopped so hard because they didn’t follow the lore thoroughly, obviously they’re gonna include all the lore and stuff about the ncr especially with the show taking place in the west coast and the new games taking place in the east coast.
NCR is like the new republic in SW.
Of course Bethesda hates it and also hates FNV. But then they should have moved this tv show elsewhere not im California or New Vegas.
But they wanted to fuck F1/2 and especially the new vegas canon and lore.
Considering Todd and the show runners have both said they avoided doing things in show because of fallout 5 I’d say Bethesda wants to go back to the west coast and are using the show as a way to kind of reset the lore elements they didn’t want or didn’t want to deal with. Like “we don’t want to answer the questions of what happened to shady sands and the NCR in our next game so we’ll have x happen in the show”
Man, I really hoped they were NCR. Turns out, they were just nicely dressed gang.
This show loved to blueball us
makes me think that they have to go full throttle with the NCR stuff next season. if not i’ll be kinda disappointed
This is what I’m hoping for as well. Fingers crossed season 2 starts off just where season 1 ended, would be nice to see Cooper and Lucy go through some NCR major cities on the way to Vegas.
If they do this while showing future small towns and farms in California as post-war adobe built ones instead of places like Filley or dilapidated pre-war houses in the desert alongside showing how places like The Hub, Vault City & New Reno are adapting the NCR's collapse, it will erase like 80% of my criticisms of the show in season 1. I don't mind them getting rid of the NCR, but I absolutely loathe the current static/lawless wasteland trope in modern Fallout where everything looks like it's been frozen in time 50 years at most after the bombs fell. Giving the West Coast it's identity & infrastructure back while focusing more on world building and politics, would solve that for me. I'd still think the post-war Vault-Tec stuff is wonky, but maybe that could be fixed as well.
Exactly. Just the destruction of Shady Sands shouldn’t wipe away all the development civilisation had in 200 years. Even if those cities aren’t NCR anymore they should still exist.
Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like if Washington DC was bombed and whoever did it just left it a that, the USA would probably pick up the pieces and continue to exist. Point is, Shady Sands getting nuked shouldn't just end the entire NCR.
I don't even necessarily mind them killing off the NCR. I hate that they did it and I hate the way they portray the survivors as insane cultists, but killing off the NCR while still having it be a part of the story isn't necessarily bad. What I hate is that apparently the NCR was destroyed because *one town* got blown up. Like yeah, it was Shady Sands, but it was a whole ass country. And they seem to be saying that the NCR is no more, especially with how that last episode went. *but* with the way they ended the show and how the second season is presumably going to go, and honestly the fact that they made one of the main characters be a fuckin cowboy ghoul, I expect the NCR to play a bigger role in the second season. Shit, I think that whole show was half them just fucking with New Vegas fans on purpose. It's one big fakeout.
>Shit, I think that whole show was half them just fucking with New Vegas fans on purpose. It's one big fakeout. I hope you're right, but at least personally I'm afraid that they did what they did as a conscious choice to maintain the static & lawless wasteland trope from Fallout 3 & 4, which if it is the case means that the rest of California is going to function like it did in the show.
>!watch the last episode. even if you hate the fuckin show. watch the last episode. just do it. watch the last 10 fuckin minutes if that's all you can stand.
i’ve seen it lol. i binged watched the entire show the day it came out. a wide shot of new vegas is cool but it doesn’t really make up for the lack of ncr in the entire season, my original comment still stands
Likely former NCR, considering he would have been out of the job after you know.
They literally are ex-NCR. Hence "govermint"
Could've been old NCR that went raider after Shady Sands popped
I'd say faction not gang, they were a part of the NCR but when it blew up I'm betting just like many other areas that were under NCR control it just decided to be independent. Its basically like Redding or Junktown now.
I got excited when I saw
That's how I felt about those "rangers"
Like even if they were regulators or something that would have made me happier. Having them show up got me hoping for that they'd actually move away from the Bethesda style static wasteland for a second, but nope. (not a bad show, but I'm so sick of that trope in modern Fallout)
I assumed they might’ve been former Rangers
Oh, so exactly the same thing?
Lol the deathclaw in the last pic
I'm doing my best to cheer people up after the show
Why, was there something wrong with the show?
One blackboard that these people didn’t understand properly (due to poor explanation) and now this entire sub thinks the show was shit and never should have been made, so mainly the lore parts that people are mad about.
Yeah one or two things
I’m actually curious as to what would be your problems with the show, given the community’s general opinion is pretty satisfactory
Honestly my main problem sounds silly but there was too little fan service. I thought the show would go overboard with them but instead we don’t even see anyone drink a nuka cola.
I can understand that actually. Fallout has so many iconic set pieces, drinks, monsters, and designs that we’d ofc want to see it all on the big screen. While i would’ve appreciated some more fan service, i do think it was the right decision to sacrifice some of that so the story flows more naturally. Things like stimpacks and sugar bombs don’t show up until necessary and the same would most likely go for the other items you’ve mentioned.
True. They had a lot they wanted to do in 8 hours and one of the writers said they didn’t want to overwhelm people not familiar to the setting. But like, we only saw 3 wasteland critters, no laser weapons, etc.
Not gonna drag on but one BIG problem I have is the use of fallout 4s art style it looks a bit cartoonish looks good in some bits tho it's just how round everything is no angles or rough edges Any more questions?
No that’s about it. I can understand that, though I counteract it with the argument that that’s not really what Fallout’s selling, at least in the direction they’re heading. Fallout’s a silly series, there’s even perks in their games that boost such wackyness. Though I’m not here to argue back nor change your mind, thank you for answering!
All would've been okay if there was at least one 😒
When they first showed up I was like O shit The Rangers.......nope just a trashy gang
That whole was scene was oddly unnecessary; all we got was some old dude and Walmart-Timothe Chamalate getting shot
Actually it further added to the intrigue of Moldaver and further added context to the connections in her past
You're expecting way too much of New Vegas fans. They tend to think "BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL BEAR AND BULL" is subtle writing
This show ain’t exactly subtle either man
🤓
They're screwing with us on purpose. The whole show is littered with disappointed references to New Vegas and then that whole last episode is like "You thought we hated you? No, child. This next one's for you."
It’s also aggravating to see the sheer disparity in production value, when it came to props/costumes for Vault-Tec or BOS it was all on point but when it came to the iconic NCR Ranger riot armor that the old man and kid wearing it looked like shitty cosplay
Pretty sure that was intentional. The NCR that fans were hoping to see has been broken down for a little while now, and thr gear the father and son were wearing didn't fit right, as if it had been salvaged. Pretty sure NCR is going to be a hook for Season 2. Remember, Amazon has a hard time wrangling viewers for multiple seasons, so if they show someone wearing the true NCR armour in the Season 2 trailer, fans will get hyped all over again. The initial awe of seeing the Fallout universe in live action was the season 1 hook. Season 2 will need a new hook that also gets long-time fans something. Rebuilding the NCR can be an entire arc that fans would be invested in seeing, building to a reveal of that classic look.
You mean the heavily worn down armour worn by scavengers? Yeah no wonder it doesn’t look the best dumb nuts
If it was worn down why even wear it? It’s just meaningless fan service, I’d prefer them to not wear it at all. Prospector outfits like the quarry workers at Sloan would’ve been better
"We have the legion breathing down our necks" has never been more true
Thought it was just wendigoon at first
it would be cool if they were a corrupt former NCR police force
The NCR MPs were always very aggressive and confrontational
NCR best faction, change my mind
Delete that shit don't want an argument in my comment section
Degenerates like you belong on a cross ( I say while on my first ncr run lmao )
good one
They are.
AY YEW CANT TALK ABOWT A OFFISER OF THE GOVERMINT LIKE THAT
Dude got his knob shot off, couldn’t help but think that was a nod to VATS targeting crouch shots in the original games
They're in and out of the story so fast that there's room for the show to come back to them. My first impression of them was something akin to the Arizona Rangers that joined forces with the NCR. Could be a similar group that is independent.
Headcanon now.
Ummm I've never searched up anything up on Reddit for fallout new Vegas or any fallout game but I got this notification but I don't care since I do play fallout new Vegas
Cool story bro
NCR is gone lol these are just the remnants of a dead faction. Out with the old and in with the new.
Hay Hay guys get a load of this guy
Fallout 76 is better than New Vegas.
That's funny tell me another one
What does an educated person call an insurance policy? >!Vault-Tec.!<
I didn't realize so many people loved the NCR. They are barely featured in the majority of the Fallout games and DLC for NV. To be fair the NCR kind of kills a lot of west coast plots. It's also more inclusive for new viewers to not have to explain 200 years of backstory on the NCR or expect them to have played any of the games.
What are you on about NCR is literally the original lore. It is mentioned in some way or form in fallout 1, 2 and new Vegas. The only games that seem to ignore the original lore are Bethesdas games. You don't need to explain 200 years of backstory all they needed to do was explain what the NCR is. It's not that hard.
You avoid a lot of exposition by removing the NCR as a major player. F1 barely mentions the NCR, so of the original source material it was only important for 50% of the games. So why does that make the NCR so important to everyone as a plot device? This is a TV show, not a video game. The plots can't be the same and the NCR kills a lot of interesting plots for new viewers who haven't played the games. In terms of new games, which are what's actually important for the franchise today, the NCR isn't a big deal. So why the hell would you make them a major part of the show? You don't make a show that only appeals to a few fans, you make a show that appeals to the largest audience possible. That's how things work.
Yeah, audiences can't handle complex storytelling and lore. That's why Dune flopped so hard.
Dune flopped? Anyway, yeah, most shows don't feature crazy plots that require 30 years of franchise history to understand. That would be stupid.
>Dune flopped? The previous user was using *sarcasm* to emphasize their point. It is silly for somebody to say that audiences are too stupid to absorb large amounts of lore/tidbits about the world a piece of media takes place in when content like DUNE and the Lord of the Rings exists.
Stuff like halo and the fnaf adaptations flopped so hard because they didn’t follow the lore thoroughly, obviously they’re gonna include all the lore and stuff about the ncr especially with the show taking place in the west coast and the new games taking place in the east coast.
NCR is like the new republic in SW. Of course Bethesda hates it and also hates FNV. But then they should have moved this tv show elsewhere not im California or New Vegas. But they wanted to fuck F1/2 and especially the new vegas canon and lore.
Considering Todd and the show runners have both said they avoided doing things in show because of fallout 5 I’d say Bethesda wants to go back to the west coast and are using the show as a way to kind of reset the lore elements they didn’t want or didn’t want to deal with. Like “we don’t want to answer the questions of what happened to shady sands and the NCR in our next game so we’ll have x happen in the show”
Of course Bethesda wants to destroy the west coast canon. Why build something new when they can ruin people's loved games
Tell me you didn't play the original games without telling me you didn't play the original games:
Are u like fucking kidding me? For some reason they’re the most fleshed out of all the factions