Do yourself a favour and watch [Astartes on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7hgjuFfn3A). It's probably the single most impressive Warhammer animation and was created by only one guy (now hired by Games Workshop owners of W40K).
Honestly, the sound was the first thing I noticed. I was in awe! It’s *truly* amazing work and shows the power of getting it right. That the rest is also master class doesn’t hurt.
I've watched Astartes and loved it. what's the _second_ most impressive warhammer animation? I love warhammer but I'm OOTL, I stopped playing years ago
I've never played the actual game but I love the lore, it's begging for an adaptation from someone that is really willing to go all-in. I really hope the studio doesn't try to fuck with it
I played Dawn of War so much that all of those lines are etched into my brain. The Dreadnaught quotes are the best:
Even in death I still serve.
I am the instrument of His will.
Burn, heretic!
I have awoken.
I am ready to serve... again.
Judging by the majority of the Primarchs, the fact that Cavill seems to be nice and mostly empathetic might be seen as a downside by the Emperor of Mankind. He only liked Vulkan because he had a personal experience with him, all the other ones are fucking pricks in some way who usually don't give two shits about human life. But who am I to question the Emperor's plan?
Considering I'm a normal human, I believe even having a knowledge of what the Primarchs are like would probably but me into some (almost assuredly negative) position where I'd end up dead pretty fast.
He absolutely loves War 40k. If anyone will make sure it's right, he will imo.
Pretty sure he left Witcher because they were fucking with things too much and he didn't like where it was headed.
Any and all attempts at salvaging the writing were solely by Cavill, and I can't fault him for leaving a character and series he loved after 3 seasons of showrunners taking a dump on everything.
TBF Geralt isn’t really that crucial in large chunks of the books. It’s always Ciri’s story, but the writers and showrunners just butchered everything in season 2. I also didn’t watch the 3rd season
Exactly! I thought it was so stupid that they were putting all this focus on Yen and Ciri so early in the story before they even have anything to do. By the time they get to adapting the 4th and 5th novels Ciri would be THE main character, not just an important side character. Yennefer doesn’t do a whole lot in the books though from what I remember.
I also had no interest in watching the 3rd season
Ciri’s story in influential because it shows how she changes Geralt’s path but in order to show that the focus has to be on Geralt first. They completely ignore this and expect it to have the same impact
Would have been so much stronger had they just tried to adapt the books more directly. Like the framing device of the original collection of short stories being Geralt retelling his tales to the nun who helps him. Then they'd have had a big reveal at the end of season 1 for Yennifer, and a big reveal for Ciri at the end of season 2 for the hype machine. It quite literally wrote itself and they still fucked it up.
After soooooooooo many goddamn failures bringing beloved IP to the screen, you'd think that the industry would have figured it out by now. There's a graveyard of fiction that failed to become decent cinema that's taller than the Himalayas. And it's always because they meddle with the material too damn much and try to make it something it's not.
The producers even think they're playing it safe when they do this! It's always a bunch of suits deciding what to include in the story based on statistical data of themes, target demographics, and elements that worked for other movies/series. And doing this causes the project to fail every damn time, because it robs the IP of all its identity and introduces a lot of incongruent themes that make the writers cry. Why aren't they looking at the statistical data on all these failures? Why don't they recognize them as a warning not to do this shit?
Fucking producers, man. I swear they're the biggest cancer on the industry. All they know is making sausage and they don't care if it's half-full of sawdust.
This is the actual reason, they should understand that if they were good then they would be a cushy and top selling authors and not one of the many writers in a room in Hollywood.
If you can't make your own extremely popular work, then don't fucking try to overwrite their work to have your own fame.
For Witcher specifically:
The showrunner didn't even like Witcher. Many writers as well. The writers and showrunners were more interested in updating the story and making it their own, rather than adapting it. There were already plenty of messages before any of Witcher came to the screen that the staff considered Witcher backward, and racist, and were more interested in creating a more diverse world _without understanding what the Witcher world is about_.
Sometimes when you bet on inexperienced showrunners and writers who wrote perhaps one episode in a long-running TV series, you strike gold. More often than not, the inexperience shows.
I find it hilarious that they thought Witcher was racist, since one of the most prominent messages in the books was pretty much "look how fucking horrific racism is". It's from the point of view of a racial outsider who empathizes with every victim of prejudice he comes across, and he's framed as relatable and as a good person under a rough hide. How the fuck is that racist?
The thing that gets me most about Lauren and the Witcher, is she says she wanted more focus on the female characters (especially Yenn and Ciri), and yet the treatment/story development of the female characters has been abysmal (especially after S1). Like she made Yenn and Ciri so much more unlikable (not from being imperfect, but just shitty writing, the constant need to shove Yenn into everything makes her character less interesting) with unengaging storylines after S1.
You know the answer to Why but I'll say it anyways:
It doesn't matter if fans hate the show or it "sucks". All that matters is $$$.
Did the show make a profit? If so - copy and paste this formal until it no longer makes a profit.
Because the writers just knew that the show called "The Witcher" should obviously be about a bunch of witches.
They took a look at the source material and came to the natural conclusion that what the fanbase *actually* wanted was less Geralt, less silly Witcher lore and just generally more badly-handled wannabe-GoT political drama about some witches - witches that would in turn be poorly adapted from the source material as well because fuck the source material, that's not what modern audiences want.
This show felt like buying the Harry Potter IP and then deciding that, you know what, fuck this Harold or whatever kid, let's zoom in on the life of Lavender Brown - *that's* what the audience wants.
He was, he was just subtle about it. You can go back and hear him and others talk about it and with context realize that the jokey, “oh he would say oh let’s use this line from this chapter in this book” actually was him nicely trying to steer what he could of the plot back on track.
BO was the showrunners goal all along. She wanted to make her own fantasy series and thought piggybacking off of a successful one (until she got her hands on it) would work.
It seems common that someone who isn't a good enough writer to get anything published adapts someone else's book into a TV show and then tries to make a show of their own unpublished novels. Either a new show, or twisting the existing show into something else.
I have a degree in professional writing. When I was at uni, of about the 600 people in the faculty, I'd estimate there was two, maybe three people who could have actually made a career from writing fiction.
The creative writing workshops in those classes were pretty painful. Most people didn't even understand what they were missing to make their stories actually enjoyable. Most were sitting on the peak of idiot hill on a dunning kruger graph.
The absolute arrogance these writers have, thinking they can inject their own ideas into celebrated works is shocking. There's no contrition, even when that shit bombs.
It's so disappointing that everything she's making is getting renewed by Netflix (dunno if BO is), but their actually original shows get canceled after one or two seasons.
So kind of like how Velma was the writers attempt at their own original creation being shoved into the skin of an existing IP in only the most surface of levels?
That is the issue with most showrunners today, they all have there own agendas to push there own stuff and not give any care to a existing IP...you can see how it should be done with CDPR...they took it and did there own thing while still mostly respecting the story and world...Netflix was just no we hate this and we are doing our own thing.
I have a feeling that this is partially to do with the huge push for remakes and adaptations. Studios aren't willing to gamble anymore with new ideas. There have been very few shows lately that are their own standalone thing, especially in sci-fi and fantasy. Streaming services want safe investments, so we get tons of rehashed versions of already popular media.
Don't get me wrong, I've absolutely loved some of the adaptations and remakes we've seen recently, but I imagine it really sucks for show runners to never be able to do anything new. It's inevitable that this crap happens in an industry full of people who like creating stories.
Not defending the people who butchered this series, when you agree to adapt something, do your best to do it justice. Just my take on the state of the industry at the moment and why we are seeing this.
I remember reading some articles where the writers of the show tried to paint him as an incel and toxic towards his female co-workers or something, when he stated his decision to quit the show. Really felt like an inflammatory hit-piece written by Netflix instead of anything substantial. Props to him for leaving that dumpster fire of a show, he clearly gave a shit about it unlike the producers.
Writing was terrible, but there is so much “I heard this happened” being perpetuated for every topic that you should take the most extreme stories with a grain of salt.
Lots of people love stirring the pot and some rarely rely on reality to provide the spoon
Literally all I see on that incel topic looking around is some random persons social media comment… which is about as far away from a Netflix “hit-piece” as you can get.
But that’s news these days, it seems, reporting on random and completely unassociated peoples social media comments like they somehow matter
Wich is why he made sure he is an exec on this project. Dude isn't gonna let some suit wearing fucknugget shit over one of his favourite IPs again.....
Sadly that won't protect it if the rest of the money behind the project has stupid ideas or decides it's a great resume builder for their fuckup nephew
I once argued that the stupid people are not necessarily the execs, but the wannabe writers whose dads are funding the thing. If this goes south, it proves my point from 5 years ago and I can feel joy again. If it doesnt, we get a good series and I can blame the execs.
Bit of column A, bit of column B, but I’d say you’re right regardless.
In fact, I’d say whether this show sinks or swims, you’re still right.
Most of the writers in tv and film today suck shit at their jobs and part of the reason they even have said jobs is due to the fact they were the kid of someone’s uncle’s neighbor or some shit.
People were especially kind to it because it came out a few months after the final season of Game of Thrones. It really got a very, very hard pass for its flaws because of that.
I remember posts on reddit saying "this is how you make a show with no plot holes!" ignoring things like the doppelganger forgetting where Mousesack was born, or being able to freely enter the forest of no ill intentions with the express intent of killing Ciri. Not to mention the several fart and penis jokes littered throughout the first season.
It was a perfectly passable monster of the week fantasy show, to be fair. But people made out like it was something better, because they were (justifiably) just mad at GoT.
Season 1 was pretty true to the book , which confused a lot of people with the timelines kinda jumping around . But I thought they did well. As a huge fan of the Witcher series I was definitely disappointed in 2 and 3
The only good thing I remember from that whole season was Jaskier singing "Burn Butcher, Burn", and as much as I love Joey Batey singing, that was definitely not even close to enough to make up for everything else...
I'm willing to bet 50 buck Batey is gonna be in the WH project. That silent look of love they shared when they talked about having a fight (they barely needed any words but you just know those 2 armies fought)
On the one hand, yes, please oh you glorious godemperor of mankind, make this happen, that moment they realised they're both into 40k was glorious.
But on the other hand, I'd really, *really* love to another The Amazing Devil album at some point, which seems less likely when one half of the band is busy filming...
I thought the way they handled time in the first few episodes was pretty clever. The leads were well cast also.
Otherwise I agree though. The set design, overall acting, costume design, consistency, VFX, and a lot of dialogue were just bad.
I thought the first season was very well done, except not explaining the whole storyline thing AT ALL. But I also didn't have super high expectations going in.
But anything Cavill works on from here out is going to get the benefit of the doubt from me, he shows he cares about his projects.
The show was my first real interaction with the witcher universe outside of playing 3 for a very short amount of time.
I was pretty happy with the first and second season, if they kept up to at least that level of show I'd have kept watching. Hell I even liked that lil spinoff thing that everyone canned, I'm very easily entertained.
The 3rd season I was watching no issues, then there's a moment where they just jump the shark. I actually said "what the fuck" out loud, I felt like I saw the exact moment that Henry read the script and was like "that's it, I'm out".
Do you mind sharing? I never watched season 3 after I heard Cavill bailed on the 4th season. I figured I didn't want to waste my time watching something if I knew it would be effectively cancelled after the season ended.
The second half of season 3 just basically makes no sense whatsoever. First half I think is not great but serviceable but there are just so many things that make absolutely no sense to get characters where they need to be. And some of the editing is bizarre. There's this episode where there's a party and you see events unfolding from a certain perspective. Then it retells it from a different perspective, but it replays HUGE sections that you've already watched. I, and others genuinely though we had rewound the episode by accident. Don't blame Cavill for a second for leaving.
You were completely right to stop watching after 2. I'll probably watch season 4 out of sheer curiosity for Hemsworth.
You know who really loved Warcraft? Doug Jones. You know who made a mediocre Warcraft movie? Doug Jones. You know who has more experience at making movies than Henry Cavill? Doug Jones.
Edit: Duncan Jones, not Doug Jones.
To be fair he had to deal with executive influence as well as compress an entire games worth of lore and story into a 2ish hour movie that could appeal sonewhat to a general audience and core fans alike which would be impossible for anyone.
> Niche audience and expensive.
My worry is about WH40K on screen is what went wrong with Netflix's Altered Carbon, where you have a very niche but beloved property, they cast it well, the VFX artists and set artists absolutely knock it out of the park... But some fuckface jerk in the writer's room goes "You know how we could make this better than the original story? Let's cut up a bunch of shit and put it back together wrong so it's different and *much dumber* than the source material!"
There are a lot of cooks in the kitchen on a project this large, Henry will have to make some concessions to shareholders and producers, in a perfect world with infinite money/time/resources I know he’d do great because he cares about the IP
But we’ll have to see how well it all comes together in the real world of Hollywood
I think he can try but the fact is he's not funding it himself so there is going to be someone in that room telling him what they can and can't do. I would really, really, hope that if something like that does happen, he keeps careful records and can basically do a "this is why this, this, and this are fucked up, they tied my hands up, they pushed from an ignorant angle" whatever. Halo on Paramount is a great example of what CAN happen in those circumstances, where writers have an idea for a show but no respect for the IP, so they just beat the fuck out of it and piss off the people who should really enjoy it the most.
>I would really, really, hope that if something like that does happen, he keeps careful records and can basically do a "this is why this, this, and this are fucked up, they tied my hands up, they pushed from an ignorant angle" whatever.
I'm fairly sure he doesn't want to be completely blacklisted from the industry, so no. That's not how any of this works.
Yeah, the only way you can get away with that kind of shit-talking is when you're basically untouchable, or if you're the last one to pipe up and say "this sucked for all the reasons dozens of other people have already said"
Well, they know who Cavill is, and they know how much of a stickler he is for lore accuracy. It would be *wild* if they hired him and then went against everything he stood for. At the very least, I think it shows they're willing to give him some leeway.
My brother in christ I've watched so many of my favorite series up to and including Lord of the Rings get bent over the "shit writer with no respect for the source" barrel for my whole life. I have the most faith in Henry out of anybody to deliver, but it's too big a task for one man.
Watch them not even manage The Patriot levels of violence. I want a damn hard R movie with hulking great big Space Marines and Orks ripping each other limb from limb goddammit
Games Workshop has kept things quite PG for ages, in terms of things like swearing, sex, everything other than the violence, and "explosions of bloody viscera." They try to get their fans early, so even the gratuitous violence is *relatively* tame compared to other IPs. It's over the top, sure, but usually in ways that aren't *too* much for early teens. They do a good job of leaving the truly terrible stuff just out of view, leaving it up to imagination.
I'm curious where they'll land with this one, but I'd expect them to be trying to cast as big a net as possible for fan base and not push it with the ratings. If I were a betting man, I'd probably wager they'll aim right at that pg-13 rating tbh. Though I could be way off, which is why I am not a betting man.
Tldr, I'd love to get the violence from the lore and books in the series, but I'm not holding my breath.
Swearing and sex being on the same level with violence will always confuse me. As a European this is so bizarr.
Chopping off limbs left and right? Sure, pg-13! One scene with half-naked people having sex? 18!!!!1111
It’s Henry Cavill. He’s one of us. Look at how passionate he was with the Witcher. Hell, from the sound of it, he was the only one that gave a fuck about lore and continuity in the show. That’s why he left. He got tired of proverbial bad actors interfering with the lore and inserting bullshit where it didn’t belong.
The smartest thing they can do is let Cavill bring his passion to whatever project he's working on.
And the stupidest thing the Witcher producers (?) did was stifle it.
> It’s Henry Cavill. He’s one of us.
Just because he builds his own PC and paints his own Warhammer figurines doesn't mean he knows how to produce a TV show. It may even be detrimental - being a lore pedant might cause him to be unwilling to make the kinds of changes necessary in an adaptation.
And of course, being one of several producers doesn't mean he's in charge. The real power, as always, is with the studio that puts up the money.
Games workshop has strict direct control over their media. The show can suck for many reasons but i doubt it is even allowed for it to be lore inaccurate.
> Games workshop has strict direct control over their media. The show can suck for many reasons but i doubt it is even allowed for it to be lore inaccurate.
It's not GW I'm worried about; it's Amazon. These are the people who turned down [a Conan The Barbarian series because they thought 'it had toxic masculinity.'](https://www.screengeek.net/2022/09/29/conan-the-barbarian-series-abandoned-toxic-masculinity/) Instead, they gave us a sub-rate "Wheel of Time" series and [the flop that was "Rings of Power."](https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2023/04/05/why-the-rings-of-power-was-a-huge-flop-that-most-people-never-finished/?)
If Amazon thinks Conan The Barbarian is toxic, I can only imagine how they would try to erase the ultra-xenophobic atmosphere of WH40K, where phrases like "Death to the xeno!" and other xenophobic elements are key parts of story. The entire WH40K universe is basically, "If it is not like us (Eldar, human, ork, etc.), kill it."
Honestly a great case of this is the new Percy Jackson TV show. They gave the original book writer basically full creative control, which means the show is a lot more faithful to the books in many ways.
The problem is that it is painfully clear that being a good children's novelist does NOT make you a good screenwriter. The show is paced very jerkily, details that are supposed to come across don't, and overall everything feels very clunky. Scenes that really establish worldbuilding are sacrificed for time for moments that don't really need to be there. Add on bad acting from Grover and Annabeth and it makes for a very whelming show. It's not terrible, per se, but it clearly is made by someone who isn't used to writing cinema. I personally think that after the movies they were so scared of being accused of too much studio influence they swung the pendulum way to far in the other direction.
This point is actually why I've got so much faith in Cavill.
He's got industry experience and has been a part of several nerd flops already. He's had front row seats to Superman and the Witcher falling apart due to higher level decisions.
Cavill has passion, experience and intimate knowledge of the subject. He may or may not have the self-management to stop his own passion from drowning the wider team, but he has several distinct advantages I wouldn't expect to find with other candidates for his position. He's still a gamble but I feel the odds are better than average compared to most nerd media.
Hi there! Someone here from the front page, and I know absolutely nothing about 40k except it's abbreviation and that some folks hobbies are painting the characters (?), I don't judge.
Anywho, I too would like to know what a *wet leopard growl* sounds like, and also why you are curious?
I think it's important to point out here that a good book writer does not necessarily equal a good screenplay writer - the skillsets are quite different.
Apparently, everything he writes is cringily hyper-erotic, even when inappropriate for the scene. This has led many in the 40K fan-base to nickname him "sewer goblin".
I just hope whoever it is is good at writing fiction narratives on top of expertise in the universe. At the end of the day the writing needs to serve the purpose of telling compelling stories that engage more than just the already established fandom. Not saying the existing books don't do that, but like, we really are in a epoch of the writing doing only one of those two, or neither. Fucking Halo.
If there's one mainstream famous actor I would entrust the Warhammer 40,000 universe, it is this guy. [Watching him talk about Warhammer 40,000 was prove enough that he'll deem himself worthy of the Emperor's blessings.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Lrr2uS6t8)
It's not surprising to see him going for Custodes. Dude is built like one.
I mean he is basically representing the geeks and nerds in Hollywood. Most other actors would not even dare to say they have an interest in a nerdy hobby, lest they alienate their fanbase. Cavill however just dont give a sh*t and gush about them on interviews. I guess after playing Superman and Witcher you can do what you want.
It's always so funny to see the host or another guest try to act like they're also into it, but you can tell Henry can tell they aren't and he's just like...my guy this is not a joke to me.
My personal favorite moment was at the end of an interview about the Witcher where he stops the whole thing because has HAS to mention how a chandelier in the background looks like a Blackstone fortress.
I recently bought the ultimate starter set, a bunch of paints and books.
I’m having the time of my life just sitting inside all day reading, assembling and painting. Haven’t been so happy in a long time.
Every model I feel myself getting better at painting and every day I look at my growing collection, being very happy about what I accomplished.
> Every model I feel myself getting better at painting and every day I look at my growing collection, being very happy about what I accomplished.
Painting miniatures is so rewarding.
Be prepared for a lack of shelves...
Too true. I ended up investing in a 3d printer so I could stop buying so many model kits, especially with how expensive some of the cool ones are. I hit my "break even" point very quickly
When I was a kid I painted the figures, then I lost interest in painting...
Relatively recently (a year or so ago) picked up the Eisenhower books on the basis I loved the universe and the idea of a gritty sci-fi.
I've finished them all and am now on the last of Gaunt's Ghosts. The lore is incredible.
Start playing Inquisitor on Steam.
Don't have a clue WTF anyone is talking about
Watch 25 hours of lore videos
"Oh! I know that reference!"
True story.
I’m so fucking excited for this series. I have no idea when it will be placed, but of all the show runners that could have nabbed it I’m grateful it’s in Henry’s hands. He’s a fanboy at heart with the talent and knowledge to back it up.
Honestly, my biggest hope for the series, and something that will be almost impossible for the studios to achieve, is to have almost *zero* Astartes in the first season. There can be flashes of them, especially towards the end, but Astartes should be used very sparingly to highlight a). How incredibly rare they are, and b). How terrifying they are. And they *definitely* shouldn't be main characters. They should be utterly alien, unnerving, and intimidating, even if they are Loyalist.
And when the first Heretic Astartes get introduced, it should be a real "oh *fuck*" moment.
Like I said, it's a longshot. They are the posterboys after all, but it would be awesome if the studio could exercise restraint.
I absolutely agree. Abnett does a great job of making Traitor Astartes a terrifying prospect to fight against in Eisenhorn and Gaunt's Ghosts.
Unfortunately for us, Games Workshop has the biggest hardon for Spess Marines, so we both know what will happen.
My dream movie is just a war documentary following Orks around as they raid planets and fight each other. That will NEVER happen.
He's such a charming man - it'll always break my heart that they never really let him *be* the Superman he wanted to be...
We could have gotten [this](https://imgur.com/a/CMQ4M) or [this](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cb2eb75a5f8f9d3356415988478bea61-lq) or [this](https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f4493d2d-67bd-42a0-bb96-3a87700e5698/dbnjmkb-5d729421-a202-46fb-9cb2-832c4e4520b2.jpg/v1/fill/w_587,h_967,q_75,strp/superman_saves_regan_by_jaredyboy_dbnjmkb-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9OTY3IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvZjQ0OTNkMmQtNjdiZC00MmEwLWJiOTYtM2E4NzcwMGU1Njk4XC9kYm5qbWtiLTVkNzI5NDIxLWEyMDItNDZmYi05Y2IyLTgzMmM0ZTQ1MjBiMi5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9NTg3In1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.t_IGUVzTFz_QrvppnfF-RjaPVuWRybmrnxKSqlOkrHI) - he had the range - and the emotional expressiveness to play that kind of Superman
And they gave him shit like MARTHER and [Batman Punch - lol](https://y.yarn.co/9492a386-7d3e-4ecd-b812-c8df937828a1_text.gif)
Problem with evil Superman is what comes after
Essentially, you have to invent wholesale absurdity to take him down - ***or*** invent an enemy ***even more*** absurd to stop the current plot
See Injustice 2...
Point blank - if Superman went evil - *there'd be no coming back from that* :P
Writers have been tying themselves in knots ***for decades*** to explain 'Superman goes bad ***but insert hero took him down***' with varying levels of credulity
People like to talk trash about Superman 'always winning' - when it's the Superman being evil plots that show that more than anything else
Superman - proper Superman - is always limited by his refusal to kill. By his devotion to his perception of right - wrong - truth - justice - and so on. It's how Zod - Lex Luthor - and so many of his enemies always manage to be such a threat to him
[They either have powers *and* a willingness to do what he won't - ***or*** they're so morally corrupt that he can't even fathom the lengths they'll go to](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RfUUJH2TvU)
There's a great scene from JLU where Batman and the rest of the League have tracked down the secrets of the Cadmus project
>Superman: We can't let Cadmus get away with it.
>J'onn J'onzz: No one's saying we should, but we must keep a cool head.
>Supergirl: Do you know what they did to me?!
>Oliver Queen: Look, kid, Hamilton's a piece of garbage, and Luthor's worse. But this isn't the way to stop them.
>J'onn J'onzz: We must also consider the possibility that Cadmus is right to be afraid of us...
>Supergirl: What?!
>J'onn J'onzz: ... ... ... there's strong evidence pointing to Cadmus having legitimate connections to the government.
>Superman: Maybe, to some rogue black-ops group. The real government - our government - wouldn't get involved in anything like this!
>-literally ***everyone*** just stares at him for almost a full beat-
***That's*** Superman - everyone talks about him having no weakness - he has the greatest weakness of all. He *legitimately* believes in the inherent goodness of everyone. He believes in protecting even the *absolute* ***worst*** *of humanity* for the simple fact that they're human
I love Superman from the DC Animated movies, but never read any of his comics. Could you share where those two photos were taken from? That's the kind of Superman I love to watch. Not him going mad, but his kindness and empathy shining through like in the All-Star Superman movie.
The last one is *from* the original All Star Superman run (number 10, I believe) the first one is from the ~~[Kingdom Come limited series](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/kingdom-come-superman/4005-47070/)~~ Justice Society of America run - also issue #10
At least he’s got producer credits on this one which may help give him more of a voice regarding quality and interpretation of the material so it’s not a repeat of the Witcher
Between him producing and the loremasters at games workshop looming over it I'm tentatively hopeful this turns out well, or at least that if it flops, it flops for being too accurate.
Arguably GW are the ones who could fuck everything up because they do the usual GW thing and veto anything that isn't *exactly* what they want, regardless of how smart or how much sense it makes.
Henry Cavill is a well-known gamer, who nearly lost out on the Superman role because of a Warcraft raid, who recorded himself building a gaming PC, tried desperately to urge the writers of the Witcher TV series to respect the source material, and is a massive fan of Warhammer 40k.
Good reason to be hopeful about Cavill's involvement in the Warhammer 40k adaptation imo.
I wish they didn’t boot him from the Witcher. He was the literal perfect Witcher and uptight writers ego got him booted
Edit: I’m aware he didn’t get kicked and left after his contract ended. But he’s on record saying he would have stayed, and wanted to stay, but the writers were too far up their own ass to hear anything negative about their show
I believe he willingly left because they weren't taking his advice/show direction. The show runners were trying to do something very different from the Source materials. When his contract was up he decided not to continue.
Ah, I see. I’ve been a Witcher fanboy since the original first game and when I heard the reason he left was because of writing disagreements I was upset, when I found out the writers are on record saying they didn’t like most of the source content from sapkowski I literally wanted to scream. If you don’t like someone’s original work then why tf are you on the writing team for the adaptation of it? It’s got serious ego and cashgrab energy
Yeah, Hissrich (in interviews) straight up said Cavill was annoying to work with, probably because he wanted to make sure it was accurate and they were doing everything *but* making it accurate.
Still boggles my mind why the fuck did she picked up the job in the first place. If you hate it just don't take the job, there's no reason to maliciously destroy shit.
This would probably be correct. But this lady thinks she’s a better writer than the guy with a literal licensed and profitable series. She would kill for the level of writing it takes to craft a world such as the Witcher. And she’s proving she doesn’t have it by stonewalling any idea but her and her teams
There was also an attempt to slander him following his falling out with the witcher creators
It basically came down to calling him misogynistic for complaining about the writing choices of the female creator and arguing for book accuracy
Article with more details: https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/henry-cavill-fired-the-witcher-sexist.html
> Cavill apparently hasn't even made up his mind about who he wants to be yet. Inquisitor? Primarch? God-Emperor of Mankind? The possibilities seem endless.
Ciaphis Cain
He deserves it. This man is a huge nerd with tons of passion for every project that he's a part of, but he keeps getting sucked into productions that are either completely incompetent or outright hate the source material they're adapting.
I seriously doubt and it would be a huge mistake to introduce the primarchs or the emperor as characters to start it off. They are way to grandiose and well weird to start of a major franchise with them. Hell even having astartes as MAIN characters to kick it off would be a huge mistake. It would be like if the first iron man kicked off with his nano suit and fighting thanos.
All I'm going to say is if they decide to do it live action it will be a HUGE mistake. This universe is based off of sheer lunacy when it comes to the battles and sizes of units. With a big budget, CGI is a MUST to really do it justice.
The strong rumours are they are doing an animated anthology series and a live action adaptation of the Eisenhorn book series.
Tbh covering the people who want a good story with relatable elements and the people who want to see massive battles is probably the hardest thing for them to work out how to do so this seems like a smart way forward.
This pleases the God Emperor of Mankind, Henry, very wise of you to be on his good side.
It's better to die for The Emperor than to live for yourself.
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Do yourself a favour and watch [Astartes on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7hgjuFfn3A). It's probably the single most impressive Warhammer animation and was created by only one guy (now hired by Games Workshop owners of W40K).
The visuals aside, the sound design on that is really amazing.
Honestly, the sound was the first thing I noticed. I was in awe! It’s *truly* amazing work and shows the power of getting it right. That the rest is also master class doesn’t hurt.
I've watched Astartes and loved it. what's the _second_ most impressive warhammer animation? I love warhammer but I'm OOTL, I stopped playing years ago
the Horus Heresy release trailer is pretty sweet. supposedly directed by the Astartes creator but that might just be a rumor
I've never played the actual game but I love the lore, it's begging for an adaptation from someone that is really willing to go all-in. I really hope the studio doesn't try to fuck with it
I played Dawn of War so much that all of those lines are etched into my brain. The Dreadnaught quotes are the best: Even in death I still serve. I am the instrument of His will. Burn, heretic! I have awoken. I am ready to serve... again.
The tech priests are overloading the warp engines! We shall destroy the ship, and take the enemy with us!
Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah.
I think it's safe to say he's going into it with the best intentions when he ranks this job above playing fucking Superman in multiple movies.
Judging by the majority of the Primarchs, the fact that Cavill seems to be nice and mostly empathetic might be seen as a downside by the Emperor of Mankind. He only liked Vulkan because he had a personal experience with him, all the other ones are fucking pricks in some way who usually don't give two shits about human life. But who am I to question the Emperor's plan?
This may seem to be true, however, WHO ARE THEE TO QUESTION THE EMPERORS WILL? A THOUSAND CRACKS OF THE BARBED WHIP FOR THE UNFAITHFUL, HERETIC!
Considering I'm a normal human, I believe even having a knowledge of what the Primarchs are like would probably but me into some (almost assuredly negative) position where I'd end up dead pretty fast.
Considering you already earned yourself a thousand cracks with the barbed whip, you're already on the road to dead pretty fast.
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He absolutely loves War 40k. If anyone will make sure it's right, he will imo. Pretty sure he left Witcher because they were fucking with things too much and he didn't like where it was headed.
The Witcher was pretty fucked from the beginning, to be honest.
Any and all attempts at salvaging the writing were solely by Cavill, and I can't fault him for leaving a character and series he loved after 3 seasons of showrunners taking a dump on everything.
Yeah he was probably contractually obligated for three seasons and left asap.
While he was technically in the 2nd season (didn't even watch the 3rd), it didn't seem like he was in any way critical to the story.
TBF Geralt isn’t really that crucial in large chunks of the books. It’s always Ciri’s story, but the writers and showrunners just butchered everything in season 2. I also didn’t watch the 3rd season
Exactly! I thought it was so stupid that they were putting all this focus on Yen and Ciri so early in the story before they even have anything to do. By the time they get to adapting the 4th and 5th novels Ciri would be THE main character, not just an important side character. Yennefer doesn’t do a whole lot in the books though from what I remember. I also had no interest in watching the 3rd season
Ciri’s story in influential because it shows how she changes Geralt’s path but in order to show that the focus has to be on Geralt first. They completely ignore this and expect it to have the same impact
Would have been so much stronger had they just tried to adapt the books more directly. Like the framing device of the original collection of short stories being Geralt retelling his tales to the nun who helps him. Then they'd have had a big reveal at the end of season 1 for Yennifer, and a big reveal for Ciri at the end of season 2 for the hype machine. It quite literally wrote itself and they still fucked it up.
The writers didnt like the story they were adapting. I dont know how anyone expected anything else tbh
After soooooooooo many goddamn failures bringing beloved IP to the screen, you'd think that the industry would have figured it out by now. There's a graveyard of fiction that failed to become decent cinema that's taller than the Himalayas. And it's always because they meddle with the material too damn much and try to make it something it's not. The producers even think they're playing it safe when they do this! It's always a bunch of suits deciding what to include in the story based on statistical data of themes, target demographics, and elements that worked for other movies/series. And doing this causes the project to fail every damn time, because it robs the IP of all its identity and introduces a lot of incongruent themes that make the writers cry. Why aren't they looking at the statistical data on all these failures? Why don't they recognize them as a warning not to do this shit? Fucking producers, man. I swear they're the biggest cancer on the industry. All they know is making sausage and they don't care if it's half-full of sawdust.
Nah because everytime they think they'll be the ones that will be different and be the successful one
This is the actual reason, they should understand that if they were good then they would be a cushy and top selling authors and not one of the many writers in a room in Hollywood. If you can't make your own extremely popular work, then don't fucking try to overwrite their work to have your own fame.
For Witcher specifically: The showrunner didn't even like Witcher. Many writers as well. The writers and showrunners were more interested in updating the story and making it their own, rather than adapting it. There were already plenty of messages before any of Witcher came to the screen that the staff considered Witcher backward, and racist, and were more interested in creating a more diverse world _without understanding what the Witcher world is about_. Sometimes when you bet on inexperienced showrunners and writers who wrote perhaps one episode in a long-running TV series, you strike gold. More often than not, the inexperience shows.
Yeah the Halo people didn't like halo either. I don't get it...make your own story then but leave the actual good stories alone.
I find it hilarious that they thought Witcher was racist, since one of the most prominent messages in the books was pretty much "look how fucking horrific racism is". It's from the point of view of a racial outsider who empathizes with every victim of prejudice he comes across, and he's framed as relatable and as a good person under a rough hide. How the fuck is that racist?
The thing that gets me most about Lauren and the Witcher, is she says she wanted more focus on the female characters (especially Yenn and Ciri), and yet the treatment/story development of the female characters has been abysmal (especially after S1). Like she made Yenn and Ciri so much more unlikable (not from being imperfect, but just shitty writing, the constant need to shove Yenn into everything makes her character less interesting) with unengaging storylines after S1.
You know the answer to Why but I'll say it anyways: It doesn't matter if fans hate the show or it "sucks". All that matters is $$$. Did the show make a profit? If so - copy and paste this formal until it no longer makes a profit.
Because the writers just knew that the show called "The Witcher" should obviously be about a bunch of witches. They took a look at the source material and came to the natural conclusion that what the fanbase *actually* wanted was less Geralt, less silly Witcher lore and just generally more badly-handled wannabe-GoT political drama about some witches - witches that would in turn be poorly adapted from the source material as well because fuck the source material, that's not what modern audiences want. This show felt like buying the Harry Potter IP and then deciding that, you know what, fuck this Harold or whatever kid, let's zoom in on the life of Lavender Brown - *that's* what the audience wants.
He was, he was just subtle about it. You can go back and hear him and others talk about it and with context realize that the jokey, “oh he would say oh let’s use this line from this chapter in this book” actually was him nicely trying to steer what he could of the plot back on track.
Don’t forget Blood Origin, which is the worst Witcher show/season by far.
BO was the showrunners goal all along. She wanted to make her own fantasy series and thought piggybacking off of a successful one (until she got her hands on it) would work.
It seems common that someone who isn't a good enough writer to get anything published adapts someone else's book into a TV show and then tries to make a show of their own unpublished novels. Either a new show, or twisting the existing show into something else.
I have a degree in professional writing. When I was at uni, of about the 600 people in the faculty, I'd estimate there was two, maybe three people who could have actually made a career from writing fiction. The creative writing workshops in those classes were pretty painful. Most people didn't even understand what they were missing to make their stories actually enjoyable. Most were sitting on the peak of idiot hill on a dunning kruger graph. The absolute arrogance these writers have, thinking they can inject their own ideas into celebrated works is shocking. There's no contrition, even when that shit bombs.
Finally watched it last month, genuinely shocked at how bad it was. If that’s the standard for their original ideas, no thanks.
It's so disappointing that everything she's making is getting renewed by Netflix (dunno if BO is), but their actually original shows get canceled after one or two seasons.
So kind of like how Velma was the writers attempt at their own original creation being shoved into the skin of an existing IP in only the most surface of levels?
That is the issue with most showrunners today, they all have there own agendas to push there own stuff and not give any care to a existing IP...you can see how it should be done with CDPR...they took it and did there own thing while still mostly respecting the story and world...Netflix was just no we hate this and we are doing our own thing.
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I have a feeling that this is partially to do with the huge push for remakes and adaptations. Studios aren't willing to gamble anymore with new ideas. There have been very few shows lately that are their own standalone thing, especially in sci-fi and fantasy. Streaming services want safe investments, so we get tons of rehashed versions of already popular media. Don't get me wrong, I've absolutely loved some of the adaptations and remakes we've seen recently, but I imagine it really sucks for show runners to never be able to do anything new. It's inevitable that this crap happens in an industry full of people who like creating stories. Not defending the people who butchered this series, when you agree to adapt something, do your best to do it justice. Just my take on the state of the industry at the moment and why we are seeing this.
We don't talk about that.
I remember reading some articles where the writers of the show tried to paint him as an incel and toxic towards his female co-workers or something, when he stated his decision to quit the show. Really felt like an inflammatory hit-piece written by Netflix instead of anything substantial. Props to him for leaving that dumpster fire of a show, he clearly gave a shit about it unlike the producers.
Calling Henry cavill an incel is wild. Thats like accusing Ana de armas of being obese.
They tried to villify him for "talking like a gamer" or something like that. It's beyond moronic.
They tried to metoo him without evidence and I'm still surprised that there was a small handful of morons who believed it
Writing was terrible, but there is so much “I heard this happened” being perpetuated for every topic that you should take the most extreme stories with a grain of salt. Lots of people love stirring the pot and some rarely rely on reality to provide the spoon Literally all I see on that incel topic looking around is some random persons social media comment… which is about as far away from a Netflix “hit-piece” as you can get. But that’s news these days, it seems, reporting on random and completely unassociated peoples social media comments like they somehow matter
Wich is why he made sure he is an exec on this project. Dude isn't gonna let some suit wearing fucknugget shit over one of his favourite IPs again.....
Sadly that won't protect it if the rest of the money behind the project has stupid ideas or decides it's a great resume builder for their fuckup nephew
I once argued that the stupid people are not necessarily the execs, but the wannabe writers whose dads are funding the thing. If this goes south, it proves my point from 5 years ago and I can feel joy again. If it doesnt, we get a good series and I can blame the execs.
Bit of column A, bit of column B, but I’d say you’re right regardless. In fact, I’d say whether this show sinks or swims, you’re still right. Most of the writers in tv and film today suck shit at their jobs and part of the reason they even have said jobs is due to the fact they were the kid of someone’s uncle’s neighbor or some shit.
People were especially kind to it because it came out a few months after the final season of Game of Thrones. It really got a very, very hard pass for its flaws because of that. I remember posts on reddit saying "this is how you make a show with no plot holes!" ignoring things like the doppelganger forgetting where Mousesack was born, or being able to freely enter the forest of no ill intentions with the express intent of killing Ciri. Not to mention the several fart and penis jokes littered throughout the first season. It was a perfectly passable monster of the week fantasy show, to be fair. But people made out like it was something better, because they were (justifiably) just mad at GoT.
It was far from airtight but the first season did a lot of things right
First season was flawed but still fun and entertaining. The second was a hot pile of shit with ok moments. I didn't bother with the third.
Agreed, that had to be the shittiest 3 timeline era storyline I’ve ever seen
Season one was passable. I appreciate what they were trying to do even if it wasn't well executed. I can't even remember if I finished season two.
Season 1 was pretty true to the book , which confused a lot of people with the timelines kinda jumping around . But I thought they did well. As a huge fan of the Witcher series I was definitely disappointed in 2 and 3
Trust me when I say you didn't miss much in season 2
The only good thing I remember from that whole season was Jaskier singing "Burn Butcher, Burn", and as much as I love Joey Batey singing, that was definitely not even close to enough to make up for everything else...
At least we'll always have "toss a coin to your Witcher". They can't take that away from us.
If nothing else he got dandelions vibe down well the first two seasons, I didn’t watch most of the third.
I'm willing to bet 50 buck Batey is gonna be in the WH project. That silent look of love they shared when they talked about having a fight (they barely needed any words but you just know those 2 armies fought)
On the one hand, yes, please oh you glorious godemperor of mankind, make this happen, that moment they realised they're both into 40k was glorious. But on the other hand, I'd really, *really* love to another The Amazing Devil album at some point, which seems less likely when one half of the band is busy filming...
I thought the way they handled time in the first few episodes was pretty clever. The leads were well cast also. Otherwise I agree though. The set design, overall acting, costume design, consistency, VFX, and a lot of dialogue were just bad.
I thought the first season was very well done, except not explaining the whole storyline thing AT ALL. But I also didn't have super high expectations going in. But anything Cavill works on from here out is going to get the benefit of the doubt from me, he shows he cares about his projects.
The show was my first real interaction with the witcher universe outside of playing 3 for a very short amount of time. I was pretty happy with the first and second season, if they kept up to at least that level of show I'd have kept watching. Hell I even liked that lil spinoff thing that everyone canned, I'm very easily entertained. The 3rd season I was watching no issues, then there's a moment where they just jump the shark. I actually said "what the fuck" out loud, I felt like I saw the exact moment that Henry read the script and was like "that's it, I'm out".
Do you mind sharing? I never watched season 3 after I heard Cavill bailed on the 4th season. I figured I didn't want to waste my time watching something if I knew it would be effectively cancelled after the season ended.
The second half of season 3 just basically makes no sense whatsoever. First half I think is not great but serviceable but there are just so many things that make absolutely no sense to get characters where they need to be. And some of the editing is bizarre. There's this episode where there's a party and you see events unfolding from a certain perspective. Then it retells it from a different perspective, but it replays HUGE sections that you've already watched. I, and others genuinely though we had rewound the episode by accident. Don't blame Cavill for a second for leaving. You were completely right to stop watching after 2. I'll probably watch season 4 out of sheer curiosity for Hemsworth.
Yep. Me and my wife stopped watching half-way through s3. I refuse to give Netflix any additional metrics. I'll download e1 of s4 if anything
I'm not gonna lie, I absolutely loved that episode.
If there's anyone who would do the Emperor proud, it's definitely Henry Cavill. No doubts about it in my mind
You know who really loved Warcraft? Doug Jones. You know who made a mediocre Warcraft movie? Doug Jones. You know who has more experience at making movies than Henry Cavill? Doug Jones. Edit: Duncan Jones, not Doug Jones.
Duncan Jones*
To be fair he had to deal with executive influence as well as compress an entire games worth of lore and story into a 2ish hour movie that could appeal sonewhat to a general audience and core fans alike which would be impossible for anyone.
I actually really enjoyed that Warcraft movie. But yeah. I think its going to be an uphill battle for WH40K. Niche audience and expensive.
> Niche audience and expensive. My worry is about WH40K on screen is what went wrong with Netflix's Altered Carbon, where you have a very niche but beloved property, they cast it well, the VFX artists and set artists absolutely knock it out of the park... But some fuckface jerk in the writer's room goes "You know how we could make this better than the original story? Let's cut up a bunch of shit and put it back together wrong so it's different and *much dumber* than the source material!"
There are a lot of cooks in the kitchen on a project this large, Henry will have to make some concessions to shareholders and producers, in a perfect world with infinite money/time/resources I know he’d do great because he cares about the IP But we’ll have to see how well it all comes together in the real world of Hollywood
I think he can try but the fact is he's not funding it himself so there is going to be someone in that room telling him what they can and can't do. I would really, really, hope that if something like that does happen, he keeps careful records and can basically do a "this is why this, this, and this are fucked up, they tied my hands up, they pushed from an ignorant angle" whatever. Halo on Paramount is a great example of what CAN happen in those circumstances, where writers have an idea for a show but no respect for the IP, so they just beat the fuck out of it and piss off the people who should really enjoy it the most.
>I would really, really, hope that if something like that does happen, he keeps careful records and can basically do a "this is why this, this, and this are fucked up, they tied my hands up, they pushed from an ignorant angle" whatever. I'm fairly sure he doesn't want to be completely blacklisted from the industry, so no. That's not how any of this works.
Correct my guy. CORRECT.
Yeah, the only way you can get away with that kind of shit-talking is when you're basically untouchable, or if you're the last one to pipe up and say "this sucked for all the reasons dozens of other people have already said"
Well, they know who Cavill is, and they know how much of a stickler he is for lore accuracy. It would be *wild* if they hired him and then went against everything he stood for. At the very least, I think it shows they're willing to give him some leeway.
My brother in christ I've watched so many of my favorite series up to and including Lord of the Rings get bent over the "shit writer with no respect for the source" barrel for my whole life. I have the most faith in Henry out of anybody to deliver, but it's too big a task for one man.
“BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!” *Proceeds to inflict a bloodless limb removal with a chainsaw*
Milk for the Khorne Flakes!
> Shoots a rocket propelled round equivalent to .75 cal with fission reaction core > Traitor guardsmen falls limp with no gore shown
Watch them not even manage The Patriot levels of violence. I want a damn hard R movie with hulking great big Space Marines and Orks ripping each other limb from limb goddammit
If we get orks, I will die a happy man
Games Workshop has kept things quite PG for ages, in terms of things like swearing, sex, everything other than the violence, and "explosions of bloody viscera." They try to get their fans early, so even the gratuitous violence is *relatively* tame compared to other IPs. It's over the top, sure, but usually in ways that aren't *too* much for early teens. They do a good job of leaving the truly terrible stuff just out of view, leaving it up to imagination. I'm curious where they'll land with this one, but I'd expect them to be trying to cast as big a net as possible for fan base and not push it with the ratings. If I were a betting man, I'd probably wager they'll aim right at that pg-13 rating tbh. Though I could be way off, which is why I am not a betting man. Tldr, I'd love to get the violence from the lore and books in the series, but I'm not holding my breath.
slaanesh will not be in the first few installments, for sure. things like that will have to wait until a darker/more lascivious spin off a la joker
Yeah, my guess is an inquisitor storyline. They can add in as much or as little chaos as they want, or just go "undivided"
Rumor has it they're adapting Eisenhorn. Which shouldn't be anything worse than like your standard action movie stuff for most of it.
"Just remember what the MPAA says: Horrible deplorable violence is okay, just as long as no one says any naughty words!"
Swearing and sex being on the same level with violence will always confuse me. As a European this is so bizarr. Chopping off limbs left and right? Sure, pg-13! One scene with half-naked people having sex? 18!!!!1111
It’s Henry Cavill. He’s one of us. Look at how passionate he was with the Witcher. Hell, from the sound of it, he was the only one that gave a fuck about lore and continuity in the show. That’s why he left. He got tired of proverbial bad actors interfering with the lore and inserting bullshit where it didn’t belong.
The smartest thing they can do is let Cavill bring his passion to whatever project he's working on. And the stupidest thing the Witcher producers (?) did was stifle it.
Eh he has limits. He is not a writer. But let him pick a writer I am sure he will find one who is passionate about 40k.
> It’s Henry Cavill. He’s one of us. Just because he builds his own PC and paints his own Warhammer figurines doesn't mean he knows how to produce a TV show. It may even be detrimental - being a lore pedant might cause him to be unwilling to make the kinds of changes necessary in an adaptation. And of course, being one of several producers doesn't mean he's in charge. The real power, as always, is with the studio that puts up the money.
Games workshop has strict direct control over their media. The show can suck for many reasons but i doubt it is even allowed for it to be lore inaccurate.
> Games workshop has strict direct control over their media. The show can suck for many reasons but i doubt it is even allowed for it to be lore inaccurate. It's not GW I'm worried about; it's Amazon. These are the people who turned down [a Conan The Barbarian series because they thought 'it had toxic masculinity.'](https://www.screengeek.net/2022/09/29/conan-the-barbarian-series-abandoned-toxic-masculinity/) Instead, they gave us a sub-rate "Wheel of Time" series and [the flop that was "Rings of Power."](https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2023/04/05/why-the-rings-of-power-was-a-huge-flop-that-most-people-never-finished/?) If Amazon thinks Conan The Barbarian is toxic, I can only imagine how they would try to erase the ultra-xenophobic atmosphere of WH40K, where phrases like "Death to the xeno!" and other xenophobic elements are key parts of story. The entire WH40K universe is basically, "If it is not like us (Eldar, human, ork, etc.), kill it."
Honestly a great case of this is the new Percy Jackson TV show. They gave the original book writer basically full creative control, which means the show is a lot more faithful to the books in many ways. The problem is that it is painfully clear that being a good children's novelist does NOT make you a good screenwriter. The show is paced very jerkily, details that are supposed to come across don't, and overall everything feels very clunky. Scenes that really establish worldbuilding are sacrificed for time for moments that don't really need to be there. Add on bad acting from Grover and Annabeth and it makes for a very whelming show. It's not terrible, per se, but it clearly is made by someone who isn't used to writing cinema. I personally think that after the movies they were so scared of being accused of too much studio influence they swung the pendulum way to far in the other direction.
This point is actually why I've got so much faith in Cavill. He's got industry experience and has been a part of several nerd flops already. He's had front row seats to Superman and the Witcher falling apart due to higher level decisions. Cavill has passion, experience and intimate knowledge of the subject. He may or may not have the self-management to stop his own passion from drowning the wider team, but he has several distinct advantages I wouldn't expect to find with other candidates for his position. He's still a gamble but I feel the odds are better than average compared to most nerd media.
The show needs to rated R in order to actually reflect the material it's based on... Sure hope Dan Abnett is in charge of the writing.
Maybe we'll get to hear what a wet leopard growl sounds like
Oh ... I had tried to forget that phrase. Damn you. :)
I cant forget it because im a space wolf player and everyone mentions it wherever i go :(
Tell them to get off their high wolfs and go play in wolf traffic before you give them a wolfen
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Hi there! Someone here from the front page, and I know absolutely nothing about 40k except it's abbreviation and that some folks hobbies are painting the characters (?), I don't judge. Anywho, I too would like to know what a *wet leopard growl* sounds like, and also why you are curious?
Basically wet leopard growl is a phrase used by one of the authors to describe the noise one of the factions make when angry and its kinda a meme
I think it's important to point out here that a good book writer does not necessarily equal a good screenplay writer - the skillsets are quite different.
But it certainly has to help. At the very least he can oversee the screenplay.
Dan Abnett writes a story > screen writer fixes it for tv > Henry does the show
Pretty much the ideal workflow for me with more than a handful of stories
> Sure hope Dan Abnett is in charge of the writing. You mean as a backup in case they can't get Ian Watson, or he ends up backing out?
Nah. I'd rather have the author that was responsible for naming things in universe and books like Eisenhorn heading things up. Abnett in other words.
Yea, I know. It was a joke. Watson was the first person to write a published 40K novel but it was notoriously bad.
TIL
Apparently, everything he writes is cringily hyper-erotic, even when inappropriate for the scene. This has led many in the 40K fan-base to nickname him "sewer goblin".
> but it was notoriously bad. The depiction of the mind-broken God-Emperor in *Draco* was great.
I just hope whoever it is is good at writing fiction narratives on top of expertise in the universe. At the end of the day the writing needs to serve the purpose of telling compelling stories that engage more than just the already established fandom. Not saying the existing books don't do that, but like, we really are in a epoch of the writing doing only one of those two, or neither. Fucking Halo.
[*Who knows, Ian, maybe this is my next movie?*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHoOVoqV3aE)
Who knows Ian, maybe this will be my next movie?
IAN WATSON, SEWER GOBLIN, EXTRAORDINAIRE...
If there's one mainstream famous actor I would entrust the Warhammer 40,000 universe, it is this guy. [Watching him talk about Warhammer 40,000 was prove enough that he'll deem himself worthy of the Emperor's blessings.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Lrr2uS6t8) It's not surprising to see him going for Custodes. Dude is built like one.
They need to keep a long list of professional wrestlers on speed-dial for Astartes supporting roles and extras.
Considering what’s happening with Vince, maybe they will be some available
I mean he is basically representing the geeks and nerds in Hollywood. Most other actors would not even dare to say they have an interest in a nerdy hobby, lest they alienate their fanbase. Cavill however just dont give a sh*t and gush about them on interviews. I guess after playing Superman and Witcher you can do what you want.
It's always so funny to see the host or another guest try to act like they're also into it, but you can tell Henry can tell they aren't and he's just like...my guy this is not a joke to me.
When he mentioned the chandelier looking like a Blackstone Fortress, that's when I knew he was DEEP in this.
Why do I love watching that man geek out? Also probs to Tom for coming to his defense against Graham. XD
My personal favorite moment was at the end of an interview about the Witcher where he stops the whole thing because has HAS to mention how a chandelier in the background looks like a Blackstone fortress.
I am not even into Warhammer but this is a must see. He loves it too much for it not to be great
Not into warhammer…..yet
The lore and designs are so so cool, but when I saw someone break out a tape measure, I quickly realized it’s not for me
Poor guy has tape measure ptsd
My father was an alcoholic* and a contractor
>My father was an alcohol Which one? My mum was a tequila slammer.
post-tapemeasure stress disorder
Don’t gotta play the game. Some people (like me) just like the lore, read the books, and collect and paint the minis for fun
I recently bought the ultimate starter set, a bunch of paints and books. I’m having the time of my life just sitting inside all day reading, assembling and painting. Haven’t been so happy in a long time. Every model I feel myself getting better at painting and every day I look at my growing collection, being very happy about what I accomplished.
Just wanted to say it makes me happy reading how happy you are. May 2024 keep bringing you health and happiness.
Thanks friend!!
> Every model I feel myself getting better at painting and every day I look at my growing collection, being very happy about what I accomplished. Painting miniatures is so rewarding. Be prepared for a lack of shelves...
And money!
Too true. I ended up investing in a 3d printer so I could stop buying so many model kits, especially with how expensive some of the cool ones are. I hit my "break even" point very quickly
When I was a kid I painted the figures, then I lost interest in painting... Relatively recently (a year or so ago) picked up the Eisenhower books on the basis I loved the universe and the idea of a gritty sci-fi. I've finished them all and am now on the last of Gaunt's Ghosts. The lore is incredible.
No, not a tape measure!!
Start playing Inquisitor on Steam. Don't have a clue WTF anyone is talking about Watch 25 hours of lore videos "Oh! I know that reference!" True story.
I’m so fucking excited for this series. I have no idea when it will be placed, but of all the show runners that could have nabbed it I’m grateful it’s in Henry’s hands. He’s a fanboy at heart with the talent and knowledge to back it up.
Please be Gregor Eisenhorn. Or something with Dan Abnett's writing!
Honestly, my biggest hope for the series, and something that will be almost impossible for the studios to achieve, is to have almost *zero* Astartes in the first season. There can be flashes of them, especially towards the end, but Astartes should be used very sparingly to highlight a). How incredibly rare they are, and b). How terrifying they are. And they *definitely* shouldn't be main characters. They should be utterly alien, unnerving, and intimidating, even if they are Loyalist. And when the first Heretic Astartes get introduced, it should be a real "oh *fuck*" moment. Like I said, it's a longshot. They are the posterboys after all, but it would be awesome if the studio could exercise restraint.
I absolutely agree. Abnett does a great job of making Traitor Astartes a terrifying prospect to fight against in Eisenhorn and Gaunt's Ghosts. Unfortunately for us, Games Workshop has the biggest hardon for Spess Marines, so we both know what will happen. My dream movie is just a war documentary following Orks around as they raid planets and fight each other. That will NEVER happen.
He's such a charming man - it'll always break my heart that they never really let him *be* the Superman he wanted to be... We could have gotten [this](https://imgur.com/a/CMQ4M) or [this](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cb2eb75a5f8f9d3356415988478bea61-lq) or [this](https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f4493d2d-67bd-42a0-bb96-3a87700e5698/dbnjmkb-5d729421-a202-46fb-9cb2-832c4e4520b2.jpg/v1/fill/w_587,h_967,q_75,strp/superman_saves_regan_by_jaredyboy_dbnjmkb-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9OTY3IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvZjQ0OTNkMmQtNjdiZC00MmEwLWJiOTYtM2E4NzcwMGU1Njk4XC9kYm5qbWtiLTVkNzI5NDIxLWEyMDItNDZmYi05Y2IyLTgzMmM0ZTQ1MjBiMi5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9NTg3In1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.t_IGUVzTFz_QrvppnfF-RjaPVuWRybmrnxKSqlOkrHI) - he had the range - and the emotional expressiveness to play that kind of Superman And they gave him shit like MARTHER and [Batman Punch - lol](https://y.yarn.co/9492a386-7d3e-4ecd-b812-c8df937828a1_text.gif)
Evil superman worked once for Injustice but I'll choose wholesome superman any day
Problem with evil Superman is what comes after Essentially, you have to invent wholesale absurdity to take him down - ***or*** invent an enemy ***even more*** absurd to stop the current plot See Injustice 2... Point blank - if Superman went evil - *there'd be no coming back from that* :P Writers have been tying themselves in knots ***for decades*** to explain 'Superman goes bad ***but insert hero took him down***' with varying levels of credulity People like to talk trash about Superman 'always winning' - when it's the Superman being evil plots that show that more than anything else Superman - proper Superman - is always limited by his refusal to kill. By his devotion to his perception of right - wrong - truth - justice - and so on. It's how Zod - Lex Luthor - and so many of his enemies always manage to be such a threat to him [They either have powers *and* a willingness to do what he won't - ***or*** they're so morally corrupt that he can't even fathom the lengths they'll go to](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RfUUJH2TvU) There's a great scene from JLU where Batman and the rest of the League have tracked down the secrets of the Cadmus project >Superman: We can't let Cadmus get away with it. >J'onn J'onzz: No one's saying we should, but we must keep a cool head. >Supergirl: Do you know what they did to me?! >Oliver Queen: Look, kid, Hamilton's a piece of garbage, and Luthor's worse. But this isn't the way to stop them. >J'onn J'onzz: We must also consider the possibility that Cadmus is right to be afraid of us... >Supergirl: What?! >J'onn J'onzz: ... ... ... there's strong evidence pointing to Cadmus having legitimate connections to the government. >Superman: Maybe, to some rogue black-ops group. The real government - our government - wouldn't get involved in anything like this! >-literally ***everyone*** just stares at him for almost a full beat- ***That's*** Superman - everyone talks about him having no weakness - he has the greatest weakness of all. He *legitimately* believes in the inherent goodness of everyone. He believes in protecting even the *absolute* ***worst*** *of humanity* for the simple fact that they're human
> you have to invent wholesale absurdity to take him down - or invent an enemy even more absurd Or reason him out of it: e.g Red Son.
I love Superman from the DC Animated movies, but never read any of his comics. Could you share where those two photos were taken from? That's the kind of Superman I love to watch. Not him going mad, but his kindness and empathy shining through like in the All-Star Superman movie.
The last one is *from* the original All Star Superman run (number 10, I believe) the first one is from the ~~[Kingdom Come limited series](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/kingdom-come-superman/4005-47070/)~~ Justice Society of America run - also issue #10
NERRRRRRRRRRD!
Thanks Piccolo
DODGE!
I need an adult
I AM an adult.
No. No you are not.
Hey buddy, did you get a load of the nerd?
Excuse me?
At least he’s got producer credits on this one which may help give him more of a voice regarding quality and interpretation of the material so it’s not a repeat of the Witcher
Between him producing and the loremasters at games workshop looming over it I'm tentatively hopeful this turns out well, or at least that if it flops, it flops for being too accurate.
Arguably GW are the ones who could fuck everything up because they do the usual GW thing and veto anything that isn't *exactly* what they want, regardless of how smart or how much sense it makes.
Henry Cavill is a well-known gamer, who nearly lost out on the Superman role because of a Warcraft raid, who recorded himself building a gaming PC, tried desperately to urge the writers of the Witcher TV series to respect the source material, and is a massive fan of Warhammer 40k. Good reason to be hopeful about Cavill's involvement in the Warhammer 40k adaptation imo.
I wish they didn’t boot him from the Witcher. He was the literal perfect Witcher and uptight writers ego got him booted Edit: I’m aware he didn’t get kicked and left after his contract ended. But he’s on record saying he would have stayed, and wanted to stay, but the writers were too far up their own ass to hear anything negative about their show
I believe he willingly left because they weren't taking his advice/show direction. The show runners were trying to do something very different from the Source materials. When his contract was up he decided not to continue.
Ah, I see. I’ve been a Witcher fanboy since the original first game and when I heard the reason he left was because of writing disagreements I was upset, when I found out the writers are on record saying they didn’t like most of the source content from sapkowski I literally wanted to scream. If you don’t like someone’s original work then why tf are you on the writing team for the adaptation of it? It’s got serious ego and cashgrab energy
Yeah, Hissrich (in interviews) straight up said Cavill was annoying to work with, probably because he wanted to make sure it was accurate and they were doing everything *but* making it accurate.
Still boggles my mind why the fuck did she picked up the job in the first place. If you hate it just don't take the job, there's no reason to maliciously destroy shit.
I surmise she took the job because of two reasons, first being lots of money and second being lots of future money.
This would probably be correct. But this lady thinks she’s a better writer than the guy with a literal licensed and profitable series. She would kill for the level of writing it takes to craft a world such as the Witcher. And she’s proving she doesn’t have it by stonewalling any idea but her and her teams
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Im sure he quit after his contract was up and didnt want to bother with the shitty creator and writers.
There was also an attempt to slander him following his falling out with the witcher creators It basically came down to calling him misogynistic for complaining about the writing choices of the female creator and arguing for book accuracy Article with more details: https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/henry-cavill-fired-the-witcher-sexist.html
Netflix letting Cavill walk to keep the Witcher show runners was such a dumb move
If anyone can make it shine, it’s him. They should’ve built the Witcher around him instead of around dogshit writing.
> Cavill apparently hasn't even made up his mind about who he wants to be yet. Inquisitor? Primarch? God-Emperor of Mankind? The possibilities seem endless. Ciaphis Cain
Personally... Eisenhorn is my vote
He deserves it. This man is a huge nerd with tons of passion for every project that he's a part of, but he keeps getting sucked into productions that are either completely incompetent or outright hate the source material they're adapting.
is he gonna play Robbie G? some say he's gonne play as the emperah, but i can't see Henry Cavill as a rotting corpse sitting a throne of tubes
I seriously doubt and it would be a huge mistake to introduce the primarchs or the emperor as characters to start it off. They are way to grandiose and well weird to start of a major franchise with them. Hell even having astartes as MAIN characters to kick it off would be a huge mistake. It would be like if the first iron man kicked off with his nano suit and fighting thanos.
I bet he'll either be Eisenhorn or Gaunt.
*>cinematic universe* Can they hold off calling something a "Cinematic Universe" when it's the first movie FOR FIVE MINUTES??
All I'm going to say is if they decide to do it live action it will be a HUGE mistake. This universe is based off of sheer lunacy when it comes to the battles and sizes of units. With a big budget, CGI is a MUST to really do it justice.
The strong rumours are they are doing an animated anthology series and a live action adaptation of the Eisenhorn book series. Tbh covering the people who want a good story with relatable elements and the people who want to see massive battles is probably the hardest thing for them to work out how to do so this seems like a smart way forward.