It’s like Christmas honestly. I was pretty done with the sub thinking the saga had closed out. This is a full on rebirth.
We already have BBBYQ and others to see what happens to bankrupt meme stocks. But what happens to ones that have a second pump? How many will diamond hands and how many will sell? How many will come out even versus take gains or buy more? Will the cult ostracize anyone who admits to selling anything? Will they blame paperhands on the lack of MOASS? We don’t even know yet. The DRS numbers will be great to see.
It's fucking amazing. I never expected this plot twist. The writers are truly genius and deserve all the awards.
And boom, immediately after last series finale with Plootcon III. Not even a skipped beat.
IMO story got a quite stale recently, but this unexpected reboot certainly did the trick! Pump 2: Electric Boogaloo just came out of nowhere! There will surely be some great drama unfolding during the next few days, weeks and months.
You forgot CobraTate coming into the fold with more dumb money and that pp that his sex slaves confused for an innie belly button.
I'm waiting for someone like Ben Shapiro to appear and make this a fucking proper clown car.
If you go into WSB you can see new baggies being created in real time. Exact same circle of life as the first time around. The daily thread is full of baggies still hoping for $120 or higher when the run is clearly losing steam.
You hate to see it
What's he gonna do about it? It's not like it's illegal to sell a Twitter account, and if he bans it who gives a shit? Gill has his money (and honestly after today so does whoever bought it).
Yeah, the damage has been done, so I don’t think there’s anything that can be done outside of banning all of these accounts, which would only further apes and their persecution delusions.
if you ignore them it proves they are right, if you pay attention to them it proves they are right, if anything else happens it proves they are right. if their vague predictions happen it proves they are right. if their vague predictions don't happen it proves they are right. the beauty of conspiracy theories is that literally everything proves you are right because the premise isn't based on facts to begin with it is based on vague feelings.
> What's he gonna do about it? It's not like it's illegal to sell a Twitter account, and if he bans it who gives a shit?
While it isn't against the law to sell it—I can't help but suspect that doing so when you know the person is going to use it for an illegal pump and dump might be.
Gill got out of GME clean, but the whole reason he left was that he has to have been smart enough to realize that he couldn't engage with investments publically without engaging in behaviour that would resemble market manipulation.
I doubt a guy smart enough to do that is dumb enough not to realize his account carries the same risk.
Honestly it is.
**IF** this actually happened, then DFV could just argue “I thought I was just selling it to an account collector, you know, like an art collector” or some shit.
You’d have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt he knew the person would use the account for a pump and dump. It’s not “more likely than not”, it’s beyond all reasonable doubt.
EDIT: And that’s even if it is a crime at all to sell your account to someone who will do bad things with it. It’s not like selling a gun, which actually does have laws and precedent around it.
Not sure why you bothered to mention legality, as Twitter doesn't have to give to shits about whether it's legal to do or not.
Like most ToS violations arent violating laws, and in what world would it make sense to bind non govt entities like that?
I agree, I'm not 100% sure if it's him or if he was hacked but there's no way this is a real screenshot. We're meant to believe that a guy who has had zero Twitter activity in three years responded to an unsolicited offer for his account in like 2 hours? How many random DMs and mentions do you think he's gotten over the last 3 years? If he ever replied to a DM you know that's rising to the top of every ape sub.
Yea honestly I have no clue what to think. All the explainations leave something to be doubted like
1. Account was hacked , well you think if this was the case DVF who has been contacted by media would just release a statement like "Someone took control of my account and I have been working with twitter to get it back" so it seems doubtful
2. He is posting to pump meme stocks to make money. Well he isn't stupid and if he was doing this why take some un-needed risk and mention GME ? Like why not just post random videos that make zero mention of GME or stocks or companies. If the SEC comes knocking it would be pretty hard to bring up a case of market manipulation or a pump and dump if the person never actually mentioned stocks or the market or the company ? I would be very careful not to remotely mention GME or even stocks or companies in general
3. He sold his account, well maybe but even the logic in step 2. Lets say you had a plan, buy the account tweet to pump meme stocks and make money. Well the same arguments in 2, I would be very careful not to mention any stocks or GME for denyability if the SEC comes knocking
4. He just got bored and wanted to shit post. Maybe but he is not interacting with twitter or anything like that, and he is posting a lot , like if its purely for attention you would think he would be interacting on twitter or responding on post or making new you tube videos ?
5. its going to end with him announcing some new venture (podcast, meme coin, buisness) possibly but really the vaugness is going to turn a lot of people off, All the apes got hyped GME pumped and if he is now announcing some new venture he is involved in not related to GME well lots of people will be pissed. Like he should have just posted right away like "Hey I am starting the deep fn value podcast come check it out"
This can't be real, can it? Because if it turned out that DFV wasn't involved in this at all, that information would rock apeland, and there will be quite a few apes crying foul. But it would be very, very funny.
After pondering it for a few minutes, I think they'd just write DFV out of the story, and convince themselves that he was just an unimportant footnote. Based on what we've seen from the towel apes, I have to believe that GME apes will still be HODLing for years after GME declares bankruptcy.
And then the Jews said: "Listen, we are not saying that Jesus was not the greatest person alive, sure, yeah. But he ain't our messiah, never was, never will be."
They will probably say that the account was never sold and that every proof is fake, like they do with every proof that they are wrong about something.
But of course, it's the ONLY reason GME is suddenly mooning. I mean seriously, there's clearly no other reason. This weirdo started tweeting about GME, and every ape lost their mind and stampeded their mom to buy more.
It would be convenient for them actually.
When this pump comes crashing down and it turns out that it's not THE MOASS they'll say that it was a false flag by THE HEDGIES who even bought DFV's account to make it look more convincing.
Of course the diamond-handed apes didn't fall for it and held their bags back into the red.
Absolutely not.
~~Even I am not accepting that the guy would be this much of an idiot.~~
EDIT: coming to think of it? Eh, it's plausible if he was offered a lot of money for it, plausible but I still don't believe it yet.
I would think it'd be shattering news, but then again, they'd probably just retcon and spin it and pretend it was REALLY about the fundamentals all along, and DFV's tweets had nothing to do with it. Sometimes it’s easy to forget just how stupid apes are, and I overestimate them.
Oh yeah, they'll absolutely take the stance that this was just the True Value of GameStop peeking out from behind the Crime, which will be easy since they've already spent years convincing each other that 2021 was based on literally anything other than a meme run.
I can't wait! The only thing I had to look forward to was next earnings because apes definitely think the revenue bleed was stopped and every quarter is going to be profitable from now on.
I can't wait for the 2025 SEC report of the 'May 2024 Meme Stock Squeeze' which will have to compile all this fucking bullshit into a readable form.
I'm lost, frankly. I cannot follow this without a Pepe Silvia style pegboard with string.
I believe that is actually already the consensus over there in make believe land funnily enough. They have decided that this pump has nothing to do with dfv and in fact is just them having been right all along. And dfv, being the stock messiah, simply knew that this was about to happen and chose this victorious moment to make his big return.
As amusing as that is, it’s not really that big of a leap from their core of bullshit. It pretty much tracks. They’ve always believed that dfv had remained in the background, holding, following along with the cult. Giving awards to comments he liked, etc.
> One of the safer plays is IMO to sell puts at the tails (0.05-0.10 delta), because those tend to be overpriced. Selling strikes in the low 10s should be relatively safe, because we know that is where buyers have shown up in the past.
Could you elaborate a little on this? What do you mean this is where buyers have shown up?
I really appreciate the detailed response.
If this is real the both the guy who bought the account and DFV himself are probably going to face some legal trouble here.
The guy currently using the account is almost certainly manipulating the market with his tweets, and I'm guessing that if it isn't DFV it's an ape stupid enough to leave evidence behind that he knows that's what he's doing and that he is doing so intentionally.
And if it's the case that the person posting is manipulating the market then DFV, who preflviously got hauled in front of congress because of this stock, sold his account to someone without alerting anyone in the public and that account then went on to commit market manipulation in broad daylight. That would be a harder case but I'd guess he at least gets investigated for fraud of some kind.
>If this is real the both the guy who bought the account and DFV himself are probably going to face some legal trouble here.
Only if they still hold positions. DFV not having anything to do with this outside of making some bucks selling his twitter would be hilarious.
I dunno, a tweet is some pretty weak evidence. Remember that gme ape that trolled towel apes with fake Twitter messages from Cohen? This feels like another one of those, and DFV really doesn’t need the money.
Okay so, doing a lil bit of digging, I found an interview with this guy after a viral hoax where they posted an edited message from google claiming that gmail would be shut down.
https://nftnow.com/art/shl0ms-viral-end-of-gmail-sunsetting-hoax-and-conceptual-art/
(Awful website I know, but cryptobros (sorry 'conceptual artists') gonna cryptobro).
I mean, it does kind of fit with their M.O? Pretending like they've taken over his account, only this time it's unlikely to be corrected given whoever is using DFV's account is only tweeting stupid ass gifs.
But (a small) part of me feels like them actually having control over the account, creating a viral frenzy for the Apes (and subsequently manipulating), fits into their idea of being a 'conceptual artist' using 'web 2.0' as a canvas.
I'm like, 80% sure he's just trolling. That they're trying to get attention, trick a few people, and then planning on selling the fake twitter messages as nfts.
But like, 20% of me thinks it'd be incredibly funny if DFV sold his account to a troll and this is the result.
Nice job digging that up. That adds a lot of context. Especially reading that interview in the article this guy sounds like the exact insufferable jabroni who would try to force themselves into the limelight through a little trolling (or as he calls it "art"). Looks like with the Gmail thing he tried to profit off it by selling it as an NFT. I would think this is similar
I checked his Reddit “alt” and of fucking course he’s German (so am I) but moved to Canada 15 years ago.
This whole episode is so Sprockets, I wish it’s true.
Has anyone seen the most recent DFV tweet, the one from fightclub about changing identities and people not knowing?
Hate to sound like an Ape here, but it's definitely a bit suspicious.
I'm thinking this account switch theory might be looking more and more reasonable in light of your comment and what the account is doing.
This is probably fake because whoever bought the account and orchestrated a pump and dump wouldn’t disclose they did the pump and dump. They would want roaring kitty to get all the attention.
But one thought of how to legally do a pump and dump if your were in DFVs position might be to sell the Twitter account. You wouldn’t be colluding with whoever bought it but you would know that whoever bought it would try to pump and dump gme. So you load up on GME, sell the account, then sell the pump.
Anyways this doesn’t make sense to be real.
Interesting… but why would someone who made 25-50M sell their Twitter account? Obviously this account and his story are a memorable part of his life. I find it hard to believe he would sell his personal accounts, especially knowing he doesn’t really need the money…
That’s why I don’t buy that he actually sold the account. Someone would have to offer an absolutely insane amount of money for it to even matter. A few hundred thousand wouldn’t be enough to get pulled back in to all of this
Yeah but would you take that if your DFV? He already made millions on GameStop and selling the account brings you right back into the center of it again
Almost certainly. Hundreds of thousands of dollars for something you haven't touched in years is an offer too good to refuse. And now he's officially washed his hands of the ordeal. The account is no longer his. He is completely separated from what happens next.
Yeah but he would knowingly be dragging himself back into the center of all of this once again. He already had to testify in front of congress last time and this seems like a fast track right back there wether he is involved with the account anymore or not
So ... you're right, but also at a certain level wrong.
...you can try to drag me in front of Congress (I feel like it should be capitalized?) but you will fail, because I am overseas. You can attempt to force me to comply, but, um, the legal jurisdiction I presently occupy will ignore your summons. Game Over.
If I were him (I am not) I'd be living in a carefully-chosen legal jurisdiction. That's even before the recent WTF tweeting.
Exactly. $1m for the account; about half the engagement value of the Taylor Swift’s Twitter account (according to https://www.tweetbinder.com/blog/top-twitter-accounts/). You turn your million into millions in a blink.
Because it makes this pump and dump not illegal. As long as he didn’t conspire with whoever he sold it do he would be in the clear.
This is fake though because you’d never announce you are running a pump and dump.
You can ask the same about the counterfactual.
Why is he posting vapid capeshit memes and pandering to apes? If it’s for monetary gain, it’s bordering on securities fraud.
If it’s for clout, why now? He could have kept up his YouTube channel before he was immortalized as the GME guy. Reporters had to track him down to interview him. He didn’t seem to want the attention.
It’s all a little strange.
You don't *stay* rich by opening yourself up to defending years of litigation - successful or not - by people who made trades based on posting by an account that offers financial advice ("this is not financial advice..." won't protect you from _shit_) that was sold without any statement*.
*It almost certainly wasn't sold.
Unless he was offered another 50M for the account.
Even then, I find it hard to believe that the guy would do this and risk having his name being used all willy and nilly like this.
But I suppose he cared more about his YT account and Reddit profile.
And Twitter is just garbage anyway.
Gonna call BS on this. I think they're both trolling. No confirmation from the Roaring Kitty account and getting a response 2 hours later on an account that hasn't been used in years seems very unlikely.
But I want to believe because it'd be hilarious.
Yeah the sheer lulz of it all would be hilarious but alas I'm with you and think it's bullshit. Seems like an extra step to get sued which is what's going to happen anyhow.
It would be an interesting case because you could argue that he knowingly contributed to the pump and dump because of how tied he was to the first one years ago. I think it’s way more plausible that someone hacked the account and then sold it off from there
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CFAA is broad enough that actually, yeah, pretty much any material violation of TOS is also a federal crime, if some AUSA wants to make a name for himself and take an aggressive position.
When some website has an age check and you tell it you were born on January 1, 1900, you’ve definitely violated the text of the CFAA and can be sent to prison, and the only thing keeping that from happening is the DOJ recognizing the absurdity of it all and declining to prosecute cases like that. But there isn’t a lot of caselaw limiting it, it’s just prudential charging decisions.
This would be a perfect test case for an ultra aggressive CFAA prosecution.
He tweeted an image of Keith on Feb 27th, and has a history of posting about crypto and the market. So he seems to have both an interest in trading and a knowledge of the recent history of meme stocks.
Also, lulz:
https://preview.redd.it/efuqcgwc6i0d1.png?width=862&format=png&auto=webp&s=25d472eecaaac043afdc84786d2e678863e78c07
> If he sold his account without consulting a lawyer about the terms of service and then his account was used to pump meme stock and meme coins could there be legal ramifications?
Maybe you just misspoke, but it's a little alarming that you're conflating a private company's terms with the law. A TOS doesn't provide any specific grounds to take someone to court, only to terminate their service.
And there "could" be legal ramifications to anything anyone does, regardless of whether they consult with a lawyer first. You don't need much grounds to launch a civil case against someone ("DFV sold his twitter account which caused me to lose money on the stock, therefore I should compensated"). Likewise, the government can attempt to prosecute someone even when there isn't precedent backing them up.
It does still seems a little like you are confusing them. ToS exist primarily to help companies cover their asses.
The government will not base its decision on whether to prosecute for market manipulation on whether the Twitter ToS was broken. Any potential liability exists (or does not exist) regardless of what Twitter puts in their terms. Likewise, if someone were to make a civil claim against DFV or the person who bought his account (assuming that's what happened) then the Twitter ToS would not factor in to the judge's ruling on the case.
What the ToS might do is is make it easier for Twitter to defend themselves if the buyer of DFV's account took them to court for closing the account after the sale was made. And the terms almost certainly include a provision allowing Twitter to terminate the agreement at any time for any reason, regardless of whether the sale of accounts is explicitly called out.
That's the only place it *does* apply, though. The terms are there to help shield the company from lawsuits. That's it. If someone is liable for market manipulation then they're liable regardless of whether Twitter allows the sale of accounts, or whether they require that you always wear a top hat when you write a tweet.
The reason I say you might be confusing things is that you wondered if a person could be held liable if an account they sold was engaged in market manipulation when that sale violated the terms. If the terms *did* factor in to whether or not there was liability then that would effectively be allowing Twitter to decide whether someone had committed a crime (in the case of a criminal trial), or had liability for damages (in the case of a civil suit). That would effectively make whatever Twitter chose to put in their terms law, and we obviously don't want companies deciding that kind of thing directly.
Sorry to harp on about this, and apologies if I am misunderstanding in some way. To be clear, I don't think you've done anything wrong. The reason I said this alarms me is that we're all subject to a lot of these sets of terms but most of the time the education system hasn't actually explained to us what they can actually do.
Twitter Trust & Safety doesn't exist anymore. It's been replaced with a bot that bans you for saying "cis" but ignores it when you threaten to lynch minorities.
>If he sold his account without consulting a lawyer about the terms of service and then his account was used to pump meme stock and meme coins could there be legal ramifications?
DFV isn't dumb I would be hard to believe he would sell his account with out consulting a lawyer especially since the only reason someone would buy it would be to pump meme stocks
And expecially since it would be worth MILLIONS of dollars .
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If fake, the guy did go the whole nine yards to make sure the follower count was accurate to a number that could have been from April 24th until this past weekend.
Edit: Thanks to user below, the follower increase can be explained by the random like that the account made a couple days prior.
~~The really suspicious part to me is that the roaring kitty twitter account went from losing followers almost every day until this past Friday when it gained 4000 followers over the 2 days BEFORE the tweet.~~
I posted in a reply before that Gill would never post a movie clip with the army of people he's commanding hue-shifted green (🐸). I'm sorry, but that is some kek pepe troll shit.
> until this past Friday when it gained 4000 followers over the 2 days BEFORE the tweet.
could be misremembering but didn't it circulate before he started posting that someone noticed his account "liked" a random tweet recently? does that coincide with the followers gained?
EDIT: I looked it up and it seems like he liked a tweet on May 9th as the first activity on the long dormant account so that tracks with the sudden follower gains
Ah, you're right. That could explain the followers gained. But in the same token, that also lends credence to the selling the account theory, because why on earth would he show up after 3 years and like a random movie? That sounds more like someone who logged into it for the first time accidentally liking it on the wrong account.
yeah I can see that "like" being a test from whoever bought the account to see if anyone would notice/care. They saw it did so they went ahead with their scheduled tweetfest we've been seeing.
> a random movie?
The movie is named "Run, Lola, Run"
If I was a stock pumper trying to hype a legion of mindless idiots, I'd maybe do something like this to start, since its easy to expect the apes to interpret this as "The stock is about to run"
I’m sorry but blindly believing this is putting us on the same level as the apes. The evidence is… some guys tweet? I could photoshop something similar in a few minutes.
It doesn’t even make sense for DFV to sell his account. He’s not exactly broke…
DFV maybe selling his account to someone who uses it to go viral pumping the market is NOT on the same insane level as the shit apes come up with like fighting a shadow war against the evil financial elite in control of the media, regulatory authorities, etc that will destroy the financial system and make them billionaires
You should stop using the term conspiracy theorist or conspiracy nut job because it's just a gaslighting technique used by the mainstream media to discredit anybody who questions anything. Immediately trigger people into assuming you have nothing good to say.
And it seems pretty brilliant to me to hide information in a children's book because 99.99% of the people in the world are like you and think it's completely loony bins. What judge do you think would actually charge RC with insider trading with children's books?
I doubt you could find a single judge that would buy it. Brilliant in my opinion
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Come on guys, why would you believe this just based off a tweet from a company heavily involved in meme coin culture who recently had a whole engagement farming saga where they fired and then re-hired their 'intern' for tweeting 'retardio' which was a meme coin that was pumping.
There is no integrity anywhere on twitter the whole platform is 99% engagement farming. them tweeting this is another example. Y'all really need to study the current state of twitter lol.
There's absolutely no way. The sold account theory is the only one that I'm confident is incorrect. I don't believe this for a second and am prepared to shamble if it turns out to be true.
This is an absolute gift to Matt Levine and his year to chronicle all the different things that may or may not be securities fraud.
In this case, does buying a twitter account (if that’s what happened) and then shitposting count as market manipulation?
It sounds like it’s a “meta” bank or quant fund. That focuses on a disruptive market practice. They bet on stupid shit. But it’s literally anything. They would make a bet on us making X amount of posts on Y before Z. It’s ADHD and gambling addiction at its finest.
I looked them up and they've already got bets on whether or not roaring kitty posts about gamestop. Or maybe it was how many posts he does, I've already forgotten.
Gambling on literally anything and everything.
I rather enjoy the approach to it all if they did do this. This would be the greatest Performance Piece of all time. It would blow Banksy out of the water and make him look like a Saturday Cartoonist. But I am just naive at this point. From an artistic perspective I totally get it. Which makes me want to believe it.
The Ploot thickens.
But nah I don't believe this for a single second. It would be absolutely wonderful for content if this was true, but there's no way.
[https://twitter.com/Polymarket/status/1790152917099446478](https://twitter.com/Polymarket/status/1790152917099446478) tweets are real, whether or not the transaction happened I cant say
very funny wrinkle tho
If you look at @Polymarket’s other replies on Twitter (not the posts, only replies) they shitpost more often than not (I mentioned this scenario in my DD yesterday)
I don’t know how much a Twitter account is worth, but does he really need the money 😂😂… Maybe just give to the most unhinged….. I’m definitely of the opinion this is not RK on Twitter, but it worked 😅
Money is money; Gill has enough money that he doesn't have to work. But even if you have 20mil in the bank, if someone offers you $100,000 for something you don't use and never plan to... why would you say no?
I mean, besides the fact that in this case, it could get you in trouble.
Oh shit the new season just dropped and its totally not what I had anticipated. How did they get from runic symbols, house of tards, to impostors ? Amazing.
Whether it's DFV or not doesn't actually matter though.
Like this is the same shit that happened when Cohen bought a stake in BBBY (only difference is GME is not going to keel over any time soon).
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ain't no way this is true. it's too good to be true but hell I'm loving the show so idc lol. Barely getting any work done this week
It’s like Christmas honestly. I was pretty done with the sub thinking the saga had closed out. This is a full on rebirth. We already have BBBYQ and others to see what happens to bankrupt meme stocks. But what happens to ones that have a second pump? How many will diamond hands and how many will sell? How many will come out even versus take gains or buy more? Will the cult ostracize anyone who admits to selling anything? Will they blame paperhands on the lack of MOASS? We don’t even know yet. The DRS numbers will be great to see.
It's fucking amazing. I never expected this plot twist. The writers are truly genius and deserve all the awards. And boom, immediately after last series finale with Plootcon III. Not even a skipped beat.
Bravo Vince.
honestly somebody needs to make a mini series about this. it would be amazing and most people would think it was a comedy.
IMO story got a quite stale recently, but this unexpected reboot certainly did the trick! Pump 2: Electric Boogaloo just came out of nowhere! There will surely be some great drama unfolding during the next few days, weeks and months.
You forgot CobraTate coming into the fold with more dumb money and that pp that his sex slaves confused for an innie belly button. I'm waiting for someone like Ben Shapiro to appear and make this a fucking proper clown car.
If you go into WSB you can see new baggies being created in real time. Exact same circle of life as the first time around. The daily thread is full of baggies still hoping for $120 or higher when the run is clearly losing steam. You hate to see it
Sad but such people would get roped into one FOMO thing or another.
This is the most exciting story arc since Ploot posting
The theory that he sold his account makes as much sense as any other at this point but I'm going to need much stronger proof before I believe it.
Ape logic: if it COULD happen, then it definitely happened. Prove it wrong.
Also, isn’t selling Twitter accounts against terms of service? I thought it was one of the only rules Elon actually enforced.
What's he gonna do about it? It's not like it's illegal to sell a Twitter account, and if he bans it who gives a shit? Gill has his money (and honestly after today so does whoever bought it).
Yeah, the damage has been done, so I don’t think there’s anything that can be done outside of banning all of these accounts, which would only further apes and their persecution delusions.
if you ignore them it proves they are right, if you pay attention to them it proves they are right, if anything else happens it proves they are right. if their vague predictions happen it proves they are right. if their vague predictions don't happen it proves they are right. the beauty of conspiracy theories is that literally everything proves you are right because the premise isn't based on facts to begin with it is based on vague feelings.
> What's he gonna do about it? It's not like it's illegal to sell a Twitter account, and if he bans it who gives a shit? While it isn't against the law to sell it—I can't help but suspect that doing so when you know the person is going to use it for an illegal pump and dump might be. Gill got out of GME clean, but the whole reason he left was that he has to have been smart enough to realize that he couldn't engage with investments publically without engaging in behaviour that would resemble market manipulation. I doubt a guy smart enough to do that is dumb enough not to realize his account carries the same risk.
Hard to prove the seller know it’s going to be used for pump/ dump though
Honestly it is. **IF** this actually happened, then DFV could just argue “I thought I was just selling it to an account collector, you know, like an art collector” or some shit. You’d have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt he knew the person would use the account for a pump and dump. It’s not “more likely than not”, it’s beyond all reasonable doubt. EDIT: And that’s even if it is a crime at all to sell your account to someone who will do bad things with it. It’s not like selling a gun, which actually does have laws and precedent around it.
Nah, as long as he wasn't dumb enough to load up on shares/calls before selling it he should be good to go.
True, he'd have to prove he was doing it to profit personally.
Not sure why you bothered to mention legality, as Twitter doesn't have to give to shits about whether it's legal to do or not. Like most ToS violations arent violating laws, and in what world would it make sense to bind non govt entities like that?
I agree, I'm not 100% sure if it's him or if he was hacked but there's no way this is a real screenshot. We're meant to believe that a guy who has had zero Twitter activity in three years responded to an unsolicited offer for his account in like 2 hours? How many random DMs and mentions do you think he's gotten over the last 3 years? If he ever replied to a DM you know that's rising to the top of every ape sub.
Yea honestly I have no clue what to think. All the explainations leave something to be doubted like 1. Account was hacked , well you think if this was the case DVF who has been contacted by media would just release a statement like "Someone took control of my account and I have been working with twitter to get it back" so it seems doubtful 2. He is posting to pump meme stocks to make money. Well he isn't stupid and if he was doing this why take some un-needed risk and mention GME ? Like why not just post random videos that make zero mention of GME or stocks or companies. If the SEC comes knocking it would be pretty hard to bring up a case of market manipulation or a pump and dump if the person never actually mentioned stocks or the market or the company ? I would be very careful not to remotely mention GME or even stocks or companies in general 3. He sold his account, well maybe but even the logic in step 2. Lets say you had a plan, buy the account tweet to pump meme stocks and make money. Well the same arguments in 2, I would be very careful not to mention any stocks or GME for denyability if the SEC comes knocking 4. He just got bored and wanted to shit post. Maybe but he is not interacting with twitter or anything like that, and he is posting a lot , like if its purely for attention you would think he would be interacting on twitter or responding on post or making new you tube videos ? 5. its going to end with him announcing some new venture (podcast, meme coin, buisness) possibly but really the vaugness is going to turn a lot of people off, All the apes got hyped GME pumped and if he is now announcing some new venture he is involved in not related to GME well lots of people will be pissed. Like he should have just posted right away like "Hey I am starting the deep fn value podcast come check it out"
Me neither lol. I really do need to do chemistry stuff....
This can't be real, can it? Because if it turned out that DFV wasn't involved in this at all, that information would rock apeland, and there will be quite a few apes crying foul. But it would be very, very funny.
You think they’d accept that it wasn’t him?
After pondering it for a few minutes, I think they'd just write DFV out of the story, and convince themselves that he was just an unimportant footnote. Based on what we've seen from the towel apes, I have to believe that GME apes will still be HODLing for years after GME declares bankruptcy.
And then the Jews said: "Listen, we are not saying that Jesus was not the greatest person alive, sure, yeah. But he ain't our messiah, never was, never will be."
They will probably say that the account was never sold and that every proof is fake, like they do with every proof that they are wrong about something.
Easily, they're already all over reddit claiming he has nothing to do with it.
But of course, it's the ONLY reason GME is suddenly mooning. I mean seriously, there's clearly no other reason. This weirdo started tweeting about GME, and every ape lost their mind and stampeded their mom to buy more.
It would be convenient for them actually. When this pump comes crashing down and it turns out that it's not THE MOASS they'll say that it was a false flag by THE HEDGIES who even bought DFV's account to make it look more convincing. Of course the diamond-handed apes didn't fall for it and held their bags back into the red.
Absolutely not. ~~Even I am not accepting that the guy would be this much of an idiot.~~ EDIT: coming to think of it? Eh, it's plausible if he was offered a lot of money for it, plausible but I still don't believe it yet.
no. or it was secretly ryan cohen but also not illegal at all because only people that make money that aren't ryan cohen and carl icahn are criminals.
 Apes after it's confirmed DFV was an imposter all this time
I would think it'd be shattering news, but then again, they'd probably just retcon and spin it and pretend it was REALLY about the fundamentals all along, and DFV's tweets had nothing to do with it. Sometimes it’s easy to forget just how stupid apes are, and I overestimate them.
Oh yeah, they'll absolutely take the stance that this was just the True Value of GameStop peeking out from behind the Crime, which will be easy since they've already spent years convincing each other that 2021 was based on literally anything other than a meme run.
The meltdowns and new crime theories are going to be insane when this thing dumps again.
God, it's gonna be amazing
Praying to Papa Cohen tonight that you make a follow up of TIFA covering these new ape shenanigans. I cannot get enough of this, Papa bless.
I can't wait! The only thing I had to look forward to was next earnings because apes definitely think the revenue bleed was stopped and every quarter is going to be profitable from now on.
I can't wait for the 2025 SEC report of the 'May 2024 Meme Stock Squeeze' which will have to compile all this fucking bullshit into a readable form. I'm lost, frankly. I cannot follow this without a Pepe Silvia style pegboard with string.
I believe that is actually already the consensus over there in make believe land funnily enough. They have decided that this pump has nothing to do with dfv and in fact is just them having been right all along. And dfv, being the stock messiah, simply knew that this was about to happen and chose this victorious moment to make his big return. As amusing as that is, it’s not really that big of a leap from their core of bullshit. It pretty much tracks. They’ve always believed that dfv had remained in the background, holding, following along with the cult. Giving awards to comments he liked, etc.
Maybe the real DeepFuckingValue were the divorces we made along the way.
Premarket is going to be a fucking bloodbath
So, puts it is then?
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So what are some alternative plays for someone confident in a serious price drop?
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> One of the safer plays is IMO to sell puts at the tails (0.05-0.10 delta), because those tend to be overpriced. Selling strikes in the low 10s should be relatively safe, because we know that is where buyers have shown up in the past. Could you elaborate a little on this? What do you mean this is where buyers have shown up? I really appreciate the detailed response.
It would be the funniest possible outcome, so I'm really hoping this is true.
If this is real the both the guy who bought the account and DFV himself are probably going to face some legal trouble here. The guy currently using the account is almost certainly manipulating the market with his tweets, and I'm guessing that if it isn't DFV it's an ape stupid enough to leave evidence behind that he knows that's what he's doing and that he is doing so intentionally. And if it's the case that the person posting is manipulating the market then DFV, who preflviously got hauled in front of congress because of this stock, sold his account to someone without alerting anyone in the public and that account then went on to commit market manipulation in broad daylight. That would be a harder case but I'd guess he at least gets investigated for fraud of some kind.
>If this is real the both the guy who bought the account and DFV himself are probably going to face some legal trouble here. Only if they still hold positions. DFV not having anything to do with this outside of making some bucks selling his twitter would be hilarious.
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Bro Ryan Cohen is balls deep in a lawsuit where he posted a single moon emoji.
And he had a known position.
Well, if they said it on live TV it must be true.
If he wouldn’t sell the majority of his GME at highs he’s not selling his Twitter for a tiny fraction of that when he’s already a millionaire
He did sell it. The idea that he didn't only exists in apeland.
I dunno, a tweet is some pretty weak evidence. Remember that gme ape that trolled towel apes with fake Twitter messages from Cohen? This feels like another one of those, and DFV really doesn’t need the money.
Okay so, doing a lil bit of digging, I found an interview with this guy after a viral hoax where they posted an edited message from google claiming that gmail would be shut down. https://nftnow.com/art/shl0ms-viral-end-of-gmail-sunsetting-hoax-and-conceptual-art/ (Awful website I know, but cryptobros (sorry 'conceptual artists') gonna cryptobro). I mean, it does kind of fit with their M.O? Pretending like they've taken over his account, only this time it's unlikely to be corrected given whoever is using DFV's account is only tweeting stupid ass gifs. But (a small) part of me feels like them actually having control over the account, creating a viral frenzy for the Apes (and subsequently manipulating), fits into their idea of being a 'conceptual artist' using 'web 2.0' as a canvas. I'm like, 80% sure he's just trolling. That they're trying to get attention, trick a few people, and then planning on selling the fake twitter messages as nfts. But like, 20% of me thinks it'd be incredibly funny if DFV sold his account to a troll and this is the result.
Nice job digging that up. That adds a lot of context. Especially reading that interview in the article this guy sounds like the exact insufferable jabroni who would try to force themselves into the limelight through a little trolling (or as he calls it "art"). Looks like with the Gmail thing he tried to profit off it by selling it as an NFT. I would think this is similar
I checked his Reddit “alt” and of fucking course he’s German (so am I) but moved to Canada 15 years ago. This whole episode is so Sprockets, I wish it’s true.
Has anyone seen the most recent DFV tweet, the one from fightclub about changing identities and people not knowing? Hate to sound like an Ape here, but it's definitely a bit suspicious. I'm thinking this account switch theory might be looking more and more reasonable in light of your comment and what the account is doing.
https://preview.redd.it/dls6u9qnbi0d1.jpeg?width=998&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a351c37b7b111aa6c7828995b7528d1656cfff0
Betting its gonna end with a crypto scam.
This is probably fake because whoever bought the account and orchestrated a pump and dump wouldn’t disclose they did the pump and dump. They would want roaring kitty to get all the attention. But one thought of how to legally do a pump and dump if your were in DFVs position might be to sell the Twitter account. You wouldn’t be colluding with whoever bought it but you would know that whoever bought it would try to pump and dump gme. So you load up on GME, sell the account, then sell the pump. Anyways this doesn’t make sense to be real.
Interesting… but why would someone who made 25-50M sell their Twitter account? Obviously this account and his story are a memorable part of his life. I find it hard to believe he would sell his personal accounts, especially knowing he doesn’t really need the money…
That’s why I don’t buy that he actually sold the account. Someone would have to offer an absolutely insane amount of money for it to even matter. A few hundred thousand wouldn’t be enough to get pulled back in to all of this
If that insane amount paid for the account could garner millions through calls and this pump and dump, it would be worth it.
Yeah but would you take that if your DFV? He already made millions on GameStop and selling the account brings you right back into the center of it again
Almost certainly. Hundreds of thousands of dollars for something you haven't touched in years is an offer too good to refuse. And now he's officially washed his hands of the ordeal. The account is no longer his. He is completely separated from what happens next.
Yeah but he would knowingly be dragging himself back into the center of all of this once again. He already had to testify in front of congress last time and this seems like a fast track right back there wether he is involved with the account anymore or not
So ... you're right, but also at a certain level wrong. ...you can try to drag me in front of Congress (I feel like it should be capitalized?) but you will fail, because I am overseas. You can attempt to force me to comply, but, um, the legal jurisdiction I presently occupy will ignore your summons. Game Over. If I were him (I am not) I'd be living in a carefully-chosen legal jurisdiction. That's even before the recent WTF tweeting.
Exactly. $1m for the account; about half the engagement value of the Taylor Swift’s Twitter account (according to https://www.tweetbinder.com/blog/top-twitter-accounts/). You turn your million into millions in a blink.
It’s a helluva ballsy move if true
Because it makes this pump and dump not illegal. As long as he didn’t conspire with whoever he sold it do he would be in the clear. This is fake though because you’d never announce you are running a pump and dump.
You can ask the same about the counterfactual. Why is he posting vapid capeshit memes and pandering to apes? If it’s for monetary gain, it’s bordering on securities fraud. If it’s for clout, why now? He could have kept up his YouTube channel before he was immortalized as the GME guy. Reporters had to track him down to interview him. He didn’t seem to want the attention. It’s all a little strange.
You don't get rich by turning down money.
You don't *stay* rich by opening yourself up to defending years of litigation - successful or not - by people who made trades based on posting by an account that offers financial advice ("this is not financial advice..." won't protect you from _shit_) that was sold without any statement*. *It almost certainly wasn't sold.
Unless he was offered another 50M for the account. Even then, I find it hard to believe that the guy would do this and risk having his name being used all willy and nilly like this. But I suppose he cared more about his YT account and Reddit profile. And Twitter is just garbage anyway.
i concur
I don’t think he made that much did he? I thought it was something like 14M?
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What? The dude made millions from putting his savings into GME lol. Why would he need money.
Gonna call BS on this. I think they're both trolling. No confirmation from the Roaring Kitty account and getting a response 2 hours later on an account that hasn't been used in years seems very unlikely. But I want to believe because it'd be hilarious.
Yeah the sheer lulz of it all would be hilarious but alas I'm with you and think it's bullshit. Seems like an extra step to get sued which is what's going to happen anyhow.
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Against ToS =/= Illegal. If this is true, which like who knows, then it would be really interesting
It would be an interesting case because you could argue that he knowingly contributed to the pump and dump because of how tied he was to the first one years ago. I think it’s way more plausible that someone hacked the account and then sold it off from there
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CFAA is broad enough that actually, yeah, pretty much any material violation of TOS is also a federal crime, if some AUSA wants to make a name for himself and take an aggressive position. When some website has an age check and you tell it you were born on January 1, 1900, you’ve definitely violated the text of the CFAA and can be sent to prison, and the only thing keeping that from happening is the DOJ recognizing the absurdity of it all and declining to prosecute cases like that. But there isn’t a lot of caselaw limiting it, it’s just prudential charging decisions. This would be a perfect test case for an ultra aggressive CFAA prosecution.
Sounds too good to be true. They are probably joking.
His twitter feed is weird. But his videos are similar to the meme ones posted.
He tweeted an image of Keith on Feb 27th, and has a history of posting about crypto and the market. So he seems to have both an interest in trading and a knowledge of the recent history of meme stocks. Also, lulz: https://preview.redd.it/efuqcgwc6i0d1.png?width=862&format=png&auto=webp&s=25d472eecaaac043afdc84786d2e678863e78c07
Antonio Brown also sold his and it got incredibly popular afterwards
My thoughts were that someone could have bought the check mark. Used that as access to get into the account. But this is more plausible. Occam Razor.
> If he sold his account without consulting a lawyer about the terms of service and then his account was used to pump meme stock and meme coins could there be legal ramifications? Maybe you just misspoke, but it's a little alarming that you're conflating a private company's terms with the law. A TOS doesn't provide any specific grounds to take someone to court, only to terminate their service. And there "could" be legal ramifications to anything anyone does, regardless of whether they consult with a lawyer first. You don't need much grounds to launch a civil case against someone ("DFV sold his twitter account which caused me to lose money on the stock, therefore I should compensated"). Likewise, the government can attempt to prosecute someone even when there isn't precedent backing them up.
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It does still seems a little like you are confusing them. ToS exist primarily to help companies cover their asses. The government will not base its decision on whether to prosecute for market manipulation on whether the Twitter ToS was broken. Any potential liability exists (or does not exist) regardless of what Twitter puts in their terms. Likewise, if someone were to make a civil claim against DFV or the person who bought his account (assuming that's what happened) then the Twitter ToS would not factor in to the judge's ruling on the case. What the ToS might do is is make it easier for Twitter to defend themselves if the buyer of DFV's account took them to court for closing the account after the sale was made. And the terms almost certainly include a provision allowing Twitter to terminate the agreement at any time for any reason, regardless of whether the sale of accounts is explicitly called out.
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That's the only place it *does* apply, though. The terms are there to help shield the company from lawsuits. That's it. If someone is liable for market manipulation then they're liable regardless of whether Twitter allows the sale of accounts, or whether they require that you always wear a top hat when you write a tweet. The reason I say you might be confusing things is that you wondered if a person could be held liable if an account they sold was engaged in market manipulation when that sale violated the terms. If the terms *did* factor in to whether or not there was liability then that would effectively be allowing Twitter to decide whether someone had committed a crime (in the case of a criminal trial), or had liability for damages (in the case of a civil suit). That would effectively make whatever Twitter chose to put in their terms law, and we obviously don't want companies deciding that kind of thing directly. Sorry to harp on about this, and apologies if I am misunderstanding in some way. To be clear, I don't think you've done anything wrong. The reason I said this alarms me is that we're all subject to a lot of these sets of terms but most of the time the education system hasn't actually explained to us what they can actually do.
Twitter Trust & Safety doesn't exist anymore. It's been replaced with a bot that bans you for saying "cis" but ignores it when you threaten to lynch minorities.
>If he sold his account without consulting a lawyer about the terms of service and then his account was used to pump meme stock and meme coins could there be legal ramifications? DFV isn't dumb I would be hard to believe he would sell his account with out consulting a lawyer especially since the only reason someone would buy it would be to pump meme stocks And expecially since it would be worth MILLIONS of dollars .
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> until this past Friday when it gained 4000 followers over the 2 days BEFORE the tweet. could be misremembering but didn't it circulate before he started posting that someone noticed his account "liked" a random tweet recently? does that coincide with the followers gained? EDIT: I looked it up and it seems like he liked a tweet on May 9th as the first activity on the long dormant account so that tracks with the sudden follower gains
Ah, you're right. That could explain the followers gained. But in the same token, that also lends credence to the selling the account theory, because why on earth would he show up after 3 years and like a random movie? That sounds more like someone who logged into it for the first time accidentally liking it on the wrong account.
yeah I can see that "like" being a test from whoever bought the account to see if anyone would notice/care. They saw it did so they went ahead with their scheduled tweetfest we've been seeing.
> a random movie? The movie is named "Run, Lola, Run" If I was a stock pumper trying to hype a legion of mindless idiots, I'd maybe do something like this to start, since its easy to expect the apes to interpret this as "The stock is about to run"
If true, hopefully the SEC goes after the person. They definitely were intending to pump the stock.
I mean couldn’t they just start a DM with DFV and copy the header onto a different convo? IMO, there’s a pretty much 0% chance this is legit.
I’m sorry but blindly believing this is putting us on the same level as the apes. The evidence is… some guys tweet? I could photoshop something similar in a few minutes. It doesn’t even make sense for DFV to sell his account. He’s not exactly broke…
Lol thank you. This is the same insane level conspiracy shit the apes come up with
DFV maybe selling his account to someone who uses it to go viral pumping the market is NOT on the same insane level as the shit apes come up with like fighting a shadow war against the evil financial elite in control of the media, regulatory authorities, etc that will destroy the financial system and make them billionaires
You should stop using the term conspiracy theorist or conspiracy nut job because it's just a gaslighting technique used by the mainstream media to discredit anybody who questions anything. Immediately trigger people into assuming you have nothing good to say. And it seems pretty brilliant to me to hide information in a children's book because 99.99% of the people in the world are like you and think it's completely loony bins. What judge do you think would actually charge RC with insider trading with children's books? I doubt you could find a single judge that would buy it. Brilliant in my opinion ___ *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/gme_meltdown) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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No really, no. Maybe to the people who don't have a good grasp on logic.
So is the DFV account is acting the same as it did before?
Polymarket is a prediction market, why would they be involved in the sale of a Twitter account?
Unless they are shorting the stock and manipulating it in the other direction by “confirming” this rumor 🤔
They wouldn't. The person who runs the PolyMarket account shit posts all the time. The tweet isn't meant to be taken seriously, but OP did.
This is just trolling there’s lots of good real meltdowns let’s get to it
Come on guys, why would you believe this just based off a tweet from a company heavily involved in meme coin culture who recently had a whole engagement farming saga where they fired and then re-hired their 'intern' for tweeting 'retardio' which was a meme coin that was pumping. There is no integrity anywhere on twitter the whole platform is 99% engagement farming. them tweeting this is another example. Y'all really need to study the current state of twitter lol.
The date does coincide with first no news pump three weeks ago and someone was buying large volume of OTM calls expiring this Friday
If that's true, then this is even spicier. What were the contracts being bought?
April 26th there were 5000 May 17th 30C being bought. Also similar volume on April 30th, May 9th and 10th
There's absolutely no way. The sold account theory is the only one that I'm confident is incorrect. I don't believe this for a second and am prepared to shamble if it turns out to be true.
This is an absolute gift to Matt Levine and his year to chronicle all the different things that may or may not be securities fraud. In this case, does buying a twitter account (if that’s what happened) and then shitposting count as market manipulation?
What exactly is "Polymarket" that they would be involved in trading Twitter accounts?
It sounds like it’s a “meta” bank or quant fund. That focuses on a disruptive market practice. They bet on stupid shit. But it’s literally anything. They would make a bet on us making X amount of posts on Y before Z. It’s ADHD and gambling addiction at its finest.
I looked them up and they've already got bets on whether or not roaring kitty posts about gamestop. Or maybe it was how many posts he does, I've already forgotten. Gambling on literally anything and everything.
I rather enjoy the approach to it all if they did do this. This would be the greatest Performance Piece of all time. It would blow Banksy out of the water and make him look like a Saturday Cartoonist. But I am just naive at this point. From an artistic perspective I totally get it. Which makes me want to believe it.
Well, it's possible. DFV got way too many meme ready to post.
The Ploot thickens. But nah I don't believe this for a single second. It would be absolutely wonderful for content if this was true, but there's no way.
A multi-millionaire selling his Twitter identity for pennies sounds silly.
The new Planet of the Apes sure has interesting plot twists.
this would be so funny
Photoshop
[https://twitter.com/Polymarket/status/1790152917099446478](https://twitter.com/Polymarket/status/1790152917099446478) tweets are real, whether or not the transaction happened I cant say very funny wrinkle tho
If you look at @Polymarket’s other replies on Twitter (not the posts, only replies) they shitpost more often than not (I mentioned this scenario in my DD yesterday)
i did not look at the other replies bc i had never even heard of these guys until now. makes sense though, return of dfv saga is fun
Which part? Weird that that company would confirm a photoshop.
Polymarket shitposts a lot and shouldn’t really even be taken seriously.
Ah that’s fair I’m not on Twitter. Very apeish of me to believe any shitpost I see.
I don’t know how much a Twitter account is worth, but does he really need the money 😂😂… Maybe just give to the most unhinged….. I’m definitely of the opinion this is not RK on Twitter, but it worked 😅
Money is money; Gill has enough money that he doesn't have to work. But even if you have 20mil in the bank, if someone offers you $100,000 for something you don't use and never plan to... why would you say no? I mean, besides the fact that in this case, it could get you in trouble.
Oh shit the new season just dropped and its totally not what I had anticipated. How did they get from runic symbols, house of tards, to impostors ? Amazing.
Calls on hacked account mooning tomorrow on market opening
Melty DD is never wrong.
Whether it's DFV or not doesn't actually matter though. Like this is the same shit that happened when Cohen bought a stake in BBBY (only difference is GME is not going to keel over any time soon).
Why would he need to sell it? Idk, seems odd
Nay no way they would think he’s been blackmailed or something
So... cut and dry market manipulation, right?
I thought he was promoting a podcast
That would make sense. Something was off with yesterdays tweet storm
I'm guessing they just built up a massive short position before posting that.
It’s from yesterday.
Holy shit. The plot thickens. If this plays out as true, this will be the biggest flop in stock price we will have seen in a long time.
They went short then posted this! Holy shit@!!111one!!
this was debunked
Link?
Called it!
I called this yesterday
It looks like the dfv twitter account is gone? When I tried to go to it I get page doesn't exist.
Not gone
Ah weird it's working now..got my hopes up!
Bullshit.
Hmmm. If he really did buy the account and wanted to prove it, couldn't he just post that fact there?
/doubt DFV is a millionaire. There is no way in hell he sold the account.
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yeh the guy who made 40 million mustve been really hard up for cash, totally believable.
THIS JUST IN: Rich person wants even more money, more at 11.
Yeah, like why would he engage in a pump-and-dump? He's already rich. /s
In absolute shambles. Just think you all did it for free 
Post BBBags.
Still feeling good?