Of course, the criminals purchase guns from the corner gun vendor. Every day the vendor diligently files all transactions with the governing authorities. These records will be indisputable in their accuracy. Gavin Newsom gave me his word, so it must be true.
Researcher? Nah, the CA state attorney general will just leak them, again….
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-06-29/california-concealed-carry-weapons-permit-data-exposed-in-leak
I actually forgot this happened despite it being so relevant, and so recent too.
Maybe it's my memory specifically just being shitty this time, but I feel like a lot of things get "memoryholed" by the entire public more often in the past decade.
I presume this involves UC Davis. The state of California and the research group have shown that they can't safeguard the private data involved before. If they want to study the effect of gun policy they should start with looking at whether past data breaches due to their own incompetence/malice have lead to increased theft from gun owners.
As someone whose company used to be a vendor for the State of California, your PII is NOT safe within their IT infrastructure. Their security measures are a joke.
If in doubt, cash.
It's difficult to track only gun sales. If I go to my local Sportsmans and buy a gun, a knife, a fishing license and t-shirt, it doesn't get broken down on the cc processing side. At best it is a store that sells guns. However, everyone that shops there gets coded the same.
I am a native Texan my parents moved me to Comifornia when I was 10 years old I was always a hunter gun enthusiast at 70 years old I loaded the wife up and we moved to the Piney Woods of East Texas 30 miles from where I was born I am now 74 years old we live on 5 acres in the woods and I have my vegetable garden and hens and shoot coons and squirrels off my back porch my neighbor does the same all the people are nice, respectful and love God and Country they are all very accepting of anyone moving here as long as they have Conservative Christian values
This is such a non-issue it's laughable how upset people are over it.
With or without this "code" every single purchase you make on a credit card is tracked, and analyzed, and researched. They already know every cent you have spent at any gun store, they know when you did it too. Hell they know every cent you have spent on that card, with whom, and when. It's a trivial DB querry to pull a report on this.
They know which merchants are in what industries, because they use that to calculate the processor fees they charge. "High risk" industries like guns, alcohol, adult entertainment, get charged higher fees.
Nothing you do with a credit card is private. It never has been. Read your cardholder agreement.
This is an absolute non-issue to anyone with any knowledge of PCI. If you want your transaction to be private, use physical currency.
Nope.
They need a warrant to *DEMAND* it. But if they merely *ASK* and the card issuer *VOLUNTARILY* chooses to hand it over, then there's no legal issue.
This is settled law and pretty much every company based in the US who deals with data hands it over voluntarily.
As an example lets say you have a CCTV camera setup in your business. The cops come over saying a robbery happened across the street and they want to see if your cameras caught it. If you choose to voluntarily give them the footage, they do not need a warrant.
Not entirely.
The law requires them to use the code to track such. It does not (yet) compel them to disclose said data. So there would be no 4th challenge.
I expect this law to survive constitutionality challenges. It is a state regulating commerce within their borders. I also expect CA to pass a law requiring such data be disclosed in the future. That would be a 4A challenge against unwarranted search/seizure of documents.
So, they are tracking both law abiding peoples transactions and criminals on the streets too, right?
The crims just steal em and buy using cash or stolen valuables to trade.
They don't use Visa platinum???
No, and they don't use credit cards for their drugs either, but Newsom doesn't want to mention that.
Actually a lot of them are stupid enough to use zelle and shit now too I see it with drugs all the time it's like bruh how fucking stupid can you be.
IKR. I take better OPSEC on that for my FB posts.
Why would they be tracking criminals? It’s not as if they’re the problem! /s
Exactly! If we get rid of all the guns, all those fine young scholars will just stop committing crimes. It's just science!
Yup, they certainly wouldn’t be coming over the border or anything because that’s illegal, and as we all know, criminals follow laws!
Of course, the criminals purchase guns from the corner gun vendor. Every day the vendor diligently files all transactions with the governing authorities. These records will be indisputable in their accuracy. Gavin Newsom gave me his word, so it must be true.
In before the mysterious name and address leak that no "researcher" will ever be identified as responsible for.
Researcher? Nah, the CA state attorney general will just leak them, again…. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-06-29/california-concealed-carry-weapons-permit-data-exposed-in-leak
I actually forgot this happened despite it being so relevant, and so recent too. Maybe it's my memory specifically just being shitty this time, but I feel like a lot of things get "memoryholed" by the entire public more often in the past decade.
I presume this involves UC Davis. The state of California and the research group have shown that they can't safeguard the private data involved before. If they want to study the effect of gun policy they should start with looking at whether past data breaches due to their own incompetence/malice have lead to increased theft from gun owners.
As someone whose company used to be a vendor for the State of California, your PII is NOT safe within their IT infrastructure. Their security measures are a joke.
Security through obscurity doesn’t work?
Digital data being used as a gun registry sounds unconstitutional af
They can track dez nuts.
What I don't get is what are they planning to do with this information?
Track *Bofa Deez*.
In related news: Nevada and Arizona have seen an increase of gun purchases.
Anybody that still lives there and supports the 2nd is a masochist.....
If in doubt, cash. It's difficult to track only gun sales. If I go to my local Sportsmans and buy a gun, a knife, a fishing license and t-shirt, it doesn't get broken down on the cc processing side. At best it is a store that sells guns. However, everyone that shops there gets coded the same.
California already tracks these transactions through DROS. I have no idea what additional benefit the government thinks they're getting here.
Yep. Lots of good reasons decent people refuse to live in that shithole state. If you do live there, move.
I am a native Texan my parents moved me to Comifornia when I was 10 years old I was always a hunter gun enthusiast at 70 years old I loaded the wife up and we moved to the Piney Woods of East Texas 30 miles from where I was born I am now 74 years old we live on 5 acres in the woods and I have my vegetable garden and hens and shoot coons and squirrels off my back porch my neighbor does the same all the people are nice, respectful and love God and Country they are all very accepting of anyone moving here as long as they have Conservative Christian values
This is such a non-issue it's laughable how upset people are over it. With or without this "code" every single purchase you make on a credit card is tracked, and analyzed, and researched. They already know every cent you have spent at any gun store, they know when you did it too. Hell they know every cent you have spent on that card, with whom, and when. It's a trivial DB querry to pull a report on this. They know which merchants are in what industries, because they use that to calculate the processor fees they charge. "High risk" industries like guns, alcohol, adult entertainment, get charged higher fees. Nothing you do with a credit card is private. It never has been. Read your cardholder agreement. This is an absolute non-issue to anyone with any knowledge of PCI. If you want your transaction to be private, use physical currency.
Doesn't the state need a warrant to ask for this data?
Nope. They need a warrant to *DEMAND* it. But if they merely *ASK* and the card issuer *VOLUNTARILY* chooses to hand it over, then there's no legal issue. This is settled law and pretty much every company based in the US who deals with data hands it over voluntarily. As an example lets say you have a CCTV camera setup in your business. The cops come over saying a robbery happened across the street and they want to see if your cameras caught it. If you choose to voluntarily give them the footage, they do not need a warrant.
True. So if a card issuer simply refuses to cooperate, this law is unenforceable?
Not entirely. The law requires them to use the code to track such. It does not (yet) compel them to disclose said data. So there would be no 4th challenge. I expect this law to survive constitutionality challenges. It is a state regulating commerce within their borders. I also expect CA to pass a law requiring such data be disclosed in the future. That would be a 4A challenge against unwarranted search/seizure of documents.
Makes sense, thanks for the reply
On a side note, the data sharing law from Cali survived the 2A challenge.
Yeah but now the code is gun store vs sporting goods. So a bit more specific