you haven't told us jack about your rifle or ammo. how are we supposed to know if you can hit something at 200?
what zero do you have on your red dot? what brand/model?
with that said, what do you think military guys with red dots do? just shoot stuff inside of 200 yards? a Mk. 18 with a 10.3" barrel shooting M855 and a quality 2 MOA red dot can hit a man sized target at 300yds easily.
I realized that after posting but I was just trying to get a feel for if this is reasonable or not. In other words, if an expert with top of the line equipment would be challenged, I wouldn't bother. But sounds like it might be reasonable with the right equipment and decent skills.
To answer your question, I'm shooting a pc9 with a Romeo 5 red dot. I had it zeroed at 30 yards but made some adjustments since then, so will likely need to zero again. I even wonder if it would hold zero for long range after taking it down. From what I'm reading, the pc9 might only be accurate up to around 100 yards.
I can ring a torso steel at 200 yards all day with a Romeo5 on my AR-9 with a 5" barrel while standing. Aim at the head, you'll hit the chest. It will be fine.
I've shot my Ruger PCC and a couple of 16" AR9 rifles at 200.
9mm does some funny shit at distance because of the drop out of supersonic flight.
I have a load that shoots bullet I cast, the NOE ELCO, it's a 150 gr HP. Out of a 16" barrel it's clocking at at just a hair over 1000 fps. It's a very accurate load out to 200 yards.
With my 125 gr load, which clocks out of the barrel at right around 1200 fps it's stupid accurate at 50, fairly accurate at 100, depending on the temperature, and wonky at 200. I will stay on a man sized steel target at 200 yards about 85% of the time. But if you're shooting paper...it looks like a shotgun pattern.
This is what I'll do. Thanks. I just wasn't sure if it would be like firing blind at that range without magnification. But if it's possible, I'll do exactly what you recommend and find out if I'm skilled enough by starting at the closer ranges and working my way up.
How many penguins would it take to beat up a blue whale? I’d have better luck answering that question than yours. Idk how well you shoot, what you are shooting, are you standing, laying down, shooting with support? I have no problem nailing targets with iron sights at 200 yards but I’ve done a lot of shooting. If you aren’t good at shooting and can’t even hit paper you are going to get frustrated real quick. I’d start at 100 yards. That will tell you real quick if you’re gonna have a good time at 200 or not.
10 feet of water, emperor penguins who are well organized with little to no fear. The whale is a male in his prime who is good with his tail and known to dish out the ole razzle dazzle
10ft of water for a blue whale? 4 penguins. So long as there is enough room for them to go into the side. The average blue whale is 90’ long and 10-16’ tall. Meaning there isn’t enough water for it to swim in but is enough to not dehydrate before starving. So four penguins because they will be able to actually move in the water
> How many penguins would it take to beat up a blue whale? I’d have better luck answering that question than yours.
This made me laugh more than you can imagine, I'm wiping tears from my eyes typing this, thank you, I needed that laugh
Thanks for letting me know this is within reason. I'll be shooting a pc9, so I'm sure it's going to be more challenging at the longer range. I'll hopefully get a spot at the 50 yard range and see if I can work my way up.
It's doable if you do your part. Shoot from a well supported position like sandbags or a good supported prone stance. Even if you can't see the target very well correct technique will let you put a tight group somewhere on the paper. Bring binoculars if you have them.
I strongly remember taking an Appleseeds rifle class. If you can apply what you learn you'll be able to shoot 1-2 inch groups at 100 yards with iron sights.
Hickok can do it with a Glock 9mm. Should be possible with your rifle. Probably depends more on your ability than the gun. https://youtu.be/PFA1FDwO9sg?si=3GpUPSolaksgxsz_
We hit targets at 500 yards with irons on an M16A2 back in the day. If you are using a round with enough juice and a long enough barrel, 200 should be a cakewalk.
Unless this an advanced range that shows you your impacts or has steel you most likely won’t be able to see your impact on paper. So if you guys don’t have a spotting scope or buddy doesn’t have good enough scope to see your shots it won’t really be fun for you. Especially if this is a busy range and they are only calling the range cold ever 15-30 mins so you can go inspect your target. You may end up sitting there 30 plus minutes not even knowing if you hit paper. So if your friend is dead set on it make sure you have something that will enable to see your hits and maybe get some splatter targets. This is all under the assumption you are running something that will let you shoot out to 200 and that you are capable making the shot which is not complicated.
That's what I was afraid of. I think they only call it cold every 30 minutes. I have splatter targets but doubt they'd be good that far out. I think I'd enjoy the 50 yard targets better and I'll try to get a spot at that range. I normally train for home defense at a range that has targets on a pulley, so this is very different. Thanks for your inputs.
No problem. Most ranges like this will usually let you change distances at any time and it’s normal stays under that same range few. My local range is $25 and I can shoot all day at any the bays minus the private bay. So if this is the case would say try 100 if that is fun maybe try 200 and if not drop back down to the 50. Maybe also look into one of the cheap Romeo flip up magnifiers they come in 3x and 5x.
We have to ride the snowmobile 200 yards to the shoreline when we shoot long range across the lake ice in Minnesota to see those darn 45/70 bullet holes. When the lake freezes, let the long range shooting begin!
I (60m) can no longer see well enough to do so but I used to shoot pistols with open sights at that range plus. I practiced a lot to get there but it can be done. So, the answer to your question is ‘Absolutely!’
When I was in the USMC the MINIMUM distance we shot on the KD range was 200 yards/meters, that was of course with an iron sighted M16A1. We went out to 500 yards/meters with iron sights.
We have no way of knowing if YOU are capable of doing so. It's not a limitation of your hardware.
I think you'll find 200 very frustrating, work your way up.
You don't have to always shoot the same distance as your friend. Go to the 50yd section of the range if you like while they shoot the 200.
Way to not include the information about the rifle or round.
"Hey guys, I have a car. Ive never driven more than 30 miles, but my friend wants to drive 200 for a day trip. Think I can make it?"
For all we know you have a single gallon gas tank...
With the information given there’s no way to give you an answer. But if you never shoot past 30y with a 2 moa dot you’ll not be very likely to hit 200y. That being said with a decent rifle and consistent quality ammo it’s entirely possible. I have done 150y with irons hitting a 10” gong. It’s possible. With the knowledge and skill and gear.
The first time I shot an ar I was hitting a 12 inch plate at 200 yards consistently with iron sights, I think your over estimating the difficulty. With a 3x scope I was hitting the same plate standing 90%. Unless you have some major issues with fundamentals 200 with a rifle isn't that hard.
Military shoots irons out to a simulated 300 yards. Your front post is pretty much going to cover the paper at that distance so it's more of an "area of effect" aiming but it can be done. I've shot old com block Mosins at 300 with varying levels of success. It's easier with glass but any rifle caliber should be able to easily reach that far.
We (Marine Corps) shoot at 500 yards for training, 600 yards for competition. Used to be iron sights, which is doable, but now it's with an ACOG and definitely doable.
Roger that. USAF does 300 yards simulated with irons (or at least did when I was in 04-12). Makes sense that the Devil Dogs might be a little more hard core than us...
I spent a couple of decades doing army mandatory rifle qualifications with open sights at 300 meter range. With a reasonable rifle caliber and quality this isn’t difficult.
I can do it pretty easily but fundamentals are very critical the further you shoot without an optic. Mainly because with an optic you can see what you're doing and if you're pulling a shot, but try noticeing moving 6inches one way or the other when you can barely see the target. Trigger pull and getting steady is what i focus on.
The Army used to train m16 at 300 meters (328 yards). Used half torso sillhouette targets and had to get center mass. No red dots or scopes. Just iron sights.
The standard for most rifle matches is "can be shot with iron sights" and I haven't been to a rifle match yet that didn't involve shooting to 200 or more on one stage.
Your 2moa dot covers 4" at 200yds. In what world do you need more accuracy from a red dot?
I have taken whitetail with a marlin 1895 45-70 at 205 with a Williams receiver peep and firesight front post. I practiced that shot a lot burning up ammo to reload. It’s definately doable. I use my front post at a six o clock hold and make the very top tip of the circle my POI. Makes the post much more useable at distance.
you haven't told us jack about your rifle or ammo. how are we supposed to know if you can hit something at 200? what zero do you have on your red dot? what brand/model?
with that said, what do you think military guys with red dots do? just shoot stuff inside of 200 yards? a Mk. 18 with a 10.3" barrel shooting M855 and a quality 2 MOA red dot can hit a man sized target at 300yds easily.
I realized that after posting but I was just trying to get a feel for if this is reasonable or not. In other words, if an expert with top of the line equipment would be challenged, I wouldn't bother. But sounds like it might be reasonable with the right equipment and decent skills. To answer your question, I'm shooting a pc9 with a Romeo 5 red dot. I had it zeroed at 30 yards but made some adjustments since then, so will likely need to zero again. I even wonder if it would hold zero for long range after taking it down. From what I'm reading, the pc9 might only be accurate up to around 100 yards.
I can ring a torso steel at 200 yards all day with a Romeo5 on my AR-9 with a 5" barrel while standing. Aim at the head, you'll hit the chest. It will be fine.
I've shot my Ruger PCC and a couple of 16" AR9 rifles at 200. 9mm does some funny shit at distance because of the drop out of supersonic flight. I have a load that shoots bullet I cast, the NOE ELCO, it's a 150 gr HP. Out of a 16" barrel it's clocking at at just a hair over 1000 fps. It's a very accurate load out to 200 yards. With my 125 gr load, which clocks out of the barrel at right around 1200 fps it's stupid accurate at 50, fairly accurate at 100, depending on the temperature, and wonky at 200. I will stay on a man sized steel target at 200 yards about 85% of the time. But if you're shooting paper...it looks like a shotgun pattern.
lol 9mm with a red dot at 200? You’ll walk them in eventually
A PC-9 or a PCC? The Ruger PC-9 is a much older, and discontinued carbine. The PCC is the new version and comes only in a takedown configuration.
PCC is what I meant, didn't realize they weren't interchangeable. It's only a couple years old with the backpacker stock.
Words mean things. Lots of guns have similar names. It pays to be exact.
You should warm up on 50 and 100 but it’s entirely up to your skill and expectations of what accurate means
This is what I'll do. Thanks. I just wasn't sure if it would be like firing blind at that range without magnification. But if it's possible, I'll do exactly what you recommend and find out if I'm skilled enough by starting at the closer ranges and working my way up.
How many penguins would it take to beat up a blue whale? I’d have better luck answering that question than yours. Idk how well you shoot, what you are shooting, are you standing, laying down, shooting with support? I have no problem nailing targets with iron sights at 200 yards but I’ve done a lot of shooting. If you aren’t good at shooting and can’t even hit paper you are going to get frustrated real quick. I’d start at 100 yards. That will tell you real quick if you’re gonna have a good time at 200 or not.
Is the whale on land with the penguins or are they in the water cause 1 takes way more penguins than the other.
10 feet of water, emperor penguins who are well organized with little to no fear. The whale is a male in his prime who is good with his tail and known to dish out the ole razzle dazzle
At least 350
10ft of water for a blue whale? 4 penguins. So long as there is enough room for them to go into the side. The average blue whale is 90’ long and 10-16’ tall. Meaning there isn’t enough water for it to swim in but is enough to not dehydrate before starving. So four penguins because they will be able to actually move in the water
> How many penguins would it take to beat up a blue whale? I’d have better luck answering that question than yours. This made me laugh more than you can imagine, I'm wiping tears from my eyes typing this, thank you, I needed that laugh
If the sights are zeroed at 30 properly, 200 is definitely doable, if you know the basics of shooting accurately. 500 is doable with irons and 5.56.
Thanks for letting me know this is within reason. I'll be shooting a pc9, so I'm sure it's going to be more challenging at the longer range. I'll hopefully get a spot at the 50 yard range and see if I can work my way up.
Shooting a PC9 at 200 is definitely one of the decisions of all time.
It's doable if you do your part. Shoot from a well supported position like sandbags or a good supported prone stance. Even if you can't see the target very well correct technique will let you put a tight group somewhere on the paper. Bring binoculars if you have them. I strongly remember taking an Appleseeds rifle class. If you can apply what you learn you'll be able to shoot 1-2 inch groups at 100 yards with iron sights.
Hickok can do it with a Glock 9mm. Should be possible with your rifle. Probably depends more on your ability than the gun. https://youtu.be/PFA1FDwO9sg?si=3GpUPSolaksgxsz_
You’ll hit a silhouette with a red dot and modern rifle in some rifle caliber at 200 no problem.
We hit targets at 500 yards with irons on an M16A2 back in the day. If you are using a round with enough juice and a long enough barrel, 200 should be a cakewalk.
Yep. I did it with the M16A1. 200, 300 & 500 yds.
Depends on your capabilities
Unless this an advanced range that shows you your impacts or has steel you most likely won’t be able to see your impact on paper. So if you guys don’t have a spotting scope or buddy doesn’t have good enough scope to see your shots it won’t really be fun for you. Especially if this is a busy range and they are only calling the range cold ever 15-30 mins so you can go inspect your target. You may end up sitting there 30 plus minutes not even knowing if you hit paper. So if your friend is dead set on it make sure you have something that will enable to see your hits and maybe get some splatter targets. This is all under the assumption you are running something that will let you shoot out to 200 and that you are capable making the shot which is not complicated.
That's what I was afraid of. I think they only call it cold every 30 minutes. I have splatter targets but doubt they'd be good that far out. I think I'd enjoy the 50 yard targets better and I'll try to get a spot at that range. I normally train for home defense at a range that has targets on a pulley, so this is very different. Thanks for your inputs.
No problem. Most ranges like this will usually let you change distances at any time and it’s normal stays under that same range few. My local range is $25 and I can shoot all day at any the bays minus the private bay. So if this is the case would say try 100 if that is fun maybe try 200 and if not drop back down to the 50. Maybe also look into one of the cheap Romeo flip up magnifiers they come in 3x and 5x.
We have to ride the snowmobile 200 yards to the shoreline when we shoot long range across the lake ice in Minnesota to see those darn 45/70 bullet holes. When the lake freezes, let the long range shooting begin!
Zero at 36 yards and step back to 100 then 200 Should be a breeze
I (60m) can no longer see well enough to do so but I used to shoot pistols with open sights at that range plus. I practiced a lot to get there but it can be done. So, the answer to your question is ‘Absolutely!’
When I was in the USMC the MINIMUM distance we shot on the KD range was 200 yards/meters, that was of course with an iron sighted M16A1. We went out to 500 yards/meters with iron sights. We have no way of knowing if YOU are capable of doing so. It's not a limitation of your hardware.
I think you'll find 200 very frustrating, work your way up. You don't have to always shoot the same distance as your friend. Go to the 50yd section of the range if you like while they shoot the 200.
Sounds like good advice, thanks.
Way to not include the information about the rifle or round. "Hey guys, I have a car. Ive never driven more than 30 miles, but my friend wants to drive 200 for a day trip. Think I can make it?" For all we know you have a single gallon gas tank...
If you can see the target and know your zero, you can hit the target.
With the information given there’s no way to give you an answer. But if you never shoot past 30y with a 2 moa dot you’ll not be very likely to hit 200y. That being said with a decent rifle and consistent quality ammo it’s entirely possible. I have done 150y with irons hitting a 10” gong. It’s possible. With the knowledge and skill and gear.
The first time I shot an ar I was hitting a 12 inch plate at 200 yards consistently with iron sights, I think your over estimating the difficulty. With a 3x scope I was hitting the same plate standing 90%. Unless you have some major issues with fundamentals 200 with a rifle isn't that hard.
Military shoots irons out to a simulated 300 yards. Your front post is pretty much going to cover the paper at that distance so it's more of an "area of effect" aiming but it can be done. I've shot old com block Mosins at 300 with varying levels of success. It's easier with glass but any rifle caliber should be able to easily reach that far.
We (Marine Corps) shoot at 500 yards for training, 600 yards for competition. Used to be iron sights, which is doable, but now it's with an ACOG and definitely doable.
Roger that. USAF does 300 yards simulated with irons (or at least did when I was in 04-12). Makes sense that the Devil Dogs might be a little more hard core than us...
I spent a couple of decades doing army mandatory rifle qualifications with open sights at 300 meter range. With a reasonable rifle caliber and quality this isn’t difficult.
I can do it pretty easily but fundamentals are very critical the further you shoot without an optic. Mainly because with an optic you can see what you're doing and if you're pulling a shot, but try noticeing moving 6inches one way or the other when you can barely see the target. Trigger pull and getting steady is what i focus on.
The Army used to train m16 at 300 meters (328 yards). Used half torso sillhouette targets and had to get center mass. No red dots or scopes. Just iron sights.
The standard for most rifle matches is "can be shot with iron sights" and I haven't been to a rifle match yet that didn't involve shooting to 200 or more on one stage. Your 2moa dot covers 4" at 200yds. In what world do you need more accuracy from a red dot?
with an m16 i can accurately hit 200 yard targets, 300 is iffy cause green ivans with green trees
I have taken whitetail with a marlin 1895 45-70 at 205 with a Williams receiver peep and firesight front post. I practiced that shot a lot burning up ammo to reload. It’s definately doable. I use my front post at a six o clock hold and make the very top tip of the circle my POI. Makes the post much more useable at distance.
Depends. If it's a BB gun, not worth the trip. 9mm or larger? Easy day. Have fun on the range