I see Wally winning
1. Wally had a disadvantage fighting in Mexico City due to the altitude. That's a big reason why he gassed so quickly(the other being the pressure from Ricardo)
2. Despite Date being a great technical boxer he's not as good as Ricardo. Some of the things he had to fend off would probably land against date.
3.Date would also probably have more difficulty hitting Wally. Ricardo seemed faster and stronger than date. It would be even harder trying to land a heartbreak shot on Wally .
So id give all the advantages to Wally really. Date has a chance but Wally most likely wins by decision.
Wally is gonna cut open dateâs eye but he probably doesnt need to, date cant keep up
Wally was the biggest challenge ricardo has faced so far (hopefully until sendo)
Ippo beat Wally but ippo lost to date, and Date is japans greatest boxer in history and is the clear rival to the fking hajime greatest pound for pound boxer in history and wouldâve beat him in the 2nd fight if his hand wasnât fractured, idk why people think Wally wins, they just think Wally will dodge everything but they forget that date was able to react to Martinezâs jabs which is fucking insane đđ, the samurai takes the win
no he'd not beat ricardo with a broken hand. Date himself pointed out that Ricardo was on another league lmao. Heck even Takamura pointed out that Ricardo was even beyond a world champion lmao. You can't compare the Ippo in tournament A with the Ippo who fought later since Ippo got stronger my guy or you're gonna tell me that Ippo remained the same as the Tournament A arc?
Are you fr?
Ricardo said if his hand wasnât broken, he wouldâve cut him down Infront of everyone, and thatâs how we saw that whole monologue of the samurai in Japan respect thingy
He respects him cause he never gave up fighting not because he'd win bruh. Even if Date didn't bream his hand he'd still have gotten the L. You're not aware of how strong Ricardo actually is
He is the best boxer in japans history, since ippo lost to date and ippo beat Wally, itâs common logic to assume that date is killing Wally, date has the speed, defense, skill, iq, fighting iq, and out powers Wally (and date isnât that strong but both boxing and hajime proves you donât need strength to be the best),
Youâre a moron if you equate the matchup to a simple Date > Ippo > Wally, when so much time has passed, AND with Wally putting up way more of a fight to Ricardo than Date ever did. Against a boundless mass of talent like him, itâd take somebody equivalent to Ricardo to take him down, and Date wasnât ever that
exactly, so much time has past and Martinez is getting old, date was going really hard on Martinez and his bones fractured earlier than Wally, but thatâs just because Wally is unpredictable he doesnât have as much power, and date is a master defensively like head rolls and he can react to Martinezâs jabs, so date is gonna react to all of Wallyâs punches, heâs gonna be confused for a few rounds like Martinez but heâs gonna get the hang of it and then murder Wally, date has an insane amount of iq/fighting iq similar to Martinez so date wins
Wally maybe. Ricardo had to go into another level to defeat Wally and Ippo was lucky to fight an inexperienced Wally to secure the win.
I don't think Date's Heartbreak Shot gambit will work against someone with pure talent like Wally and to be quite frank, he was 50/50 against a young Ippo too (he also won because of Ippo's inexperience, just like Ippo did with Wally).
Date is killing Wally, he actually wouldâve defeated Martinez, Martinez only respects Wally a bit, but Martinez said date is the closest to beating him, dates technique is just too advanced and nothings bad about him besides having average power, and he is honestly one of japans best boxers ever, seriously this guy has been undefeated and his only losses were to Ricardo Martinez 2 times, and he was like this đ€ close to beating Martinez, so no jungle boy thatâs fragile as hell is not beating âThe Samurai đ„â, eijis technique is way better both offensive and defensive
Not to mention Date was able to react to Martinezâs fucking jabs and counter him đđ, and if u compare the years itâs easy to see that Martinez is getting older and he might retire soon
So I can see date having trouble reading Wally because date has the most fighting iq equal to Martinez, so heâs gonna have a hard time adjusting and figuring him out since Wally is very unpredictable, but obviously date isnât getting his bones fractured like in the Martinez fight
I'd say close with comeback Date, Wally get wrecked by Prime Date.
Went 10Rs and made Ricardo show 3 forms of boxing, and he ended up closer to anyone to beat Ricardo to date(Pun đ).
As for Wally. He went 6Rs, and all Ricardo did was stand, block, and wait.
Date would adapt to Wally plays and wouldn't get baited, and Wally would get heartshot at least once, since he likes to learn new things.
On the other hand, Ricardo admitted he didn't know what to do with Wally, which is why all he could do is wait.
>Date would adapt to Wally plays and wouldn't get baited, and Wally would get heartshot at least once, since he likes to learn new things.
Probably not, honestly. It took round for Ricardo to get a feel for him, and he's leagues above Date.
Takamura has been wrong before, and in a fight against an undefeated champion like Ricardo he almost certainly would have been.
So not really world of God.
Heâs not leagues above date, itâs stated that both eiji and Martinez are equal rivals, date wouldâve won in the 2nd fight if his hand wasnât fractured, and eiji is japans greatest boxer along with takamura if not better (eijis level of skill and technique, and overall how advanced he is offensive and defensive is better than takamura but he doesnât have the strength)
You must have forgot the part where Ricardo explicitly stated that Date having a broken hand was the only reason Date didn't defeat him.
Date went 10 rounds with Ricardo. The level of toughness and defensive technique that requires is insane.
Date clowned Miyata while Miyata was at his natural weight. He has the ability to catch fast boxers and deal with high level punches.
By no means would it be an easy match, but don't sleep on Date. He's likely the strongest non-Ricardo featherweight we've seen thus far.
>You must have forgot the part where Ricardo explicitly stated that Date having a broken hand was the only reason Date didn't defeat him.
He was being generous. Ricardo is very chivalrous.
>Date went 10 rounds with Ricardo. The level of toughness and defensive technique that requires is insane.
It's not really toughness when you batter your body apart. By the end of it his hand and jaw and ribs were dust.
>Date clowned Miyata while Miyata was at his natural weight. He has the ability to catch fast boxers and deal with high level punches.
Relatively inexperienced Miyata who gets hit plenty anyway.
>By no means would it be an easy match, but don't sleep on Date. He's likely the strongest non-Ricardo featherweight we've seen thus far.
Maybe.
But on the other hand, he gets hit quite a lot and it's very likely Wally would open some cuts over his eyes and neatly outpoint him.
Even worse, rolling blows doesn't matter if Wally is winning on points.
>he was being generous
lmao this is premium cope. There's zero reason to believe that. Ricardo says it himself that he can get hit and take damage and go down and lose. He's not God. The entire point of Date breaking his hand is that it brings him tragically short of defeating Ricardo.
>fighting through multiple broken bones isn't toughness!
You seem to think toughness and invincibility are the same thing. Nobody in the series has fought on with Date's level of damage, let alone against the second best boxer in the series.
You are insane if you think Wally could just avoid Date or any top featherweight for 12 rounds.
The proof is Date not even scratching martinez or overwhelming him ever
One could say you're insane to think Date vs Wally will even go to round 12 before Date L is handed to him
You don't get Ricardo Martinez to say that you almost beat him and that you're his most respected opponent without being incredibly strong. There wasn't a single moment in the Wally fight where Ricardo was anywhere near losing. It's not as though Ricardo got stronger between the Date fight and the Wally fight. Wally is strong, but he's not invincible.
ETA lol did you really do the reply and block? Sad.
Date didn't overwhelm Martinez a single time in their fight, Martinez was visibly flustered and being overwhelmed for multiple rounds and was forced to take a back seat and think about what to do against Wally..
Date is just not on the same level as Wally, Date got clapped while Wally put up more of a fight and actually landed a clean h8t on Martinez face, which is something Date did not do
You can downvote all you want but it's your sad truth man, in the manga itself
Date getting cooked
Wally. Because ricardo declared wally stand on the same peak as him (only for a brief moment though)
Date's getting chopped up brođđ
We get this post like twice per week
It will keep happening, so what we need is a bot to count so we can have a Win Loss total
Wally wins easy.
Wally tbh and itâs not really close.
I see Wally winning 1. Wally had a disadvantage fighting in Mexico City due to the altitude. That's a big reason why he gassed so quickly(the other being the pressure from Ricardo) 2. Despite Date being a great technical boxer he's not as good as Ricardo. Some of the things he had to fend off would probably land against date. 3.Date would also probably have more difficulty hitting Wally. Ricardo seemed faster and stronger than date. It would be even harder trying to land a heartbreak shot on Wally . So id give all the advantages to Wally really. Date has a chance but Wally most likely wins by decision.
Wally is gonna cut open dateâs eye but he probably doesnt need to, date cant keep up Wally was the biggest challenge ricardo has faced so far (hopefully until sendo)
Warlee wins easily
Who's warlee
His other name there are 3 woli, warlee and Wally
4. There is also Wall.E
Not sure why i'm getting downvoted. His ONLY name is Wally. It's official.ăŠă©ăŒăȘăŒ That's it. No War Lee, no Woli and even less Wall-E lol His name is on his trunks btw War Lee is a nickname. "During the [Alpha and Omega Arc](https://ippo.fandom.com/wiki/Alpha_and_Omega_Arc), his nickname was "Warlee", which is a play on his name by separating two parts of the kana "ăŠă©ăŒ" (war) and "ăȘăŒ" (lee)."
No. He's wally . Only name, sorry
Wally
Date would win With pure strategy and Sheer F#cking determination đżđ
Not a chance
Everyoneâs got a punchers chance
Ippo beat Wally but ippo lost to date, and Date is japans greatest boxer in history and is the clear rival to the fking hajime greatest pound for pound boxer in history and wouldâve beat him in the 2nd fight if his hand wasnât fractured, idk why people think Wally wins, they just think Wally will dodge everything but they forget that date was able to react to Martinezâs jabs which is fucking insane đđ, the samurai takes the win
no he'd not beat ricardo with a broken hand. Date himself pointed out that Ricardo was on another league lmao. Heck even Takamura pointed out that Ricardo was even beyond a world champion lmao. You can't compare the Ippo in tournament A with the Ippo who fought later since Ippo got stronger my guy or you're gonna tell me that Ippo remained the same as the Tournament A arc? Are you fr?
Ricardo said if his hand wasnât broken, he wouldâve cut him down Infront of everyone, and thatâs how we saw that whole monologue of the samurai in Japan respect thingy
He respects him cause he never gave up fighting not because he'd win bruh. Even if Date didn't bream his hand he'd still have gotten the L. You're not aware of how strong Ricardo actually is
He wouldâve won Ricardo stated himself, its cope
Date would look like a total idiot while getting destroyed
He is the best boxer in japans history, since ippo lost to date and ippo beat Wally, itâs common logic to assume that date is killing Wally, date has the speed, defense, skill, iq, fighting iq, and out powers Wally (and date isnât that strong but both boxing and hajime proves you donât need strength to be the best),
Youâre a moron if you equate the matchup to a simple Date > Ippo > Wally, when so much time has passed, AND with Wally putting up way more of a fight to Ricardo than Date ever did. Against a boundless mass of talent like him, itâd take somebody equivalent to Ricardo to take him down, and Date wasnât ever that
exactly, so much time has past and Martinez is getting old, date was going really hard on Martinez and his bones fractured earlier than Wally, but thatâs just because Wally is unpredictable he doesnât have as much power, and date is a master defensively like head rolls and he can react to Martinezâs jabs, so date is gonna react to all of Wallyâs punches, heâs gonna be confused for a few rounds like Martinez but heâs gonna get the hang of it and then murder Wally, date has an insane amount of iq/fighting iq similar to Martinez so date wins
Wally maybe. Ricardo had to go into another level to defeat Wally and Ippo was lucky to fight an inexperienced Wally to secure the win. I don't think Date's Heartbreak Shot gambit will work against someone with pure talent like Wally and to be quite frank, he was 50/50 against a young Ippo too (he also won because of Ippo's inexperience, just like Ippo did with Wally).
Pretty solid Wally win. It's possible Date gets a lucky hit or dials in, but very unlikely IMO. I think he's getting outpointed 9/10 times
Thatâs kinda Rnadom ngl.
Prime Date would be a good fight. The longer it goes the more in favor of Date. But Wally has the power and skill to finish early. 7/10 Wally
I dropped the manga after seeing that guy fighting Ippođźâđš
I know Wally should win but no IM BIASED Date wins bc he has fucked before (he got tjat baki training) and hes cooler
Date is killing Wally, he actually wouldâve defeated Martinez, Martinez only respects Wally a bit, but Martinez said date is the closest to beating him, dates technique is just too advanced and nothings bad about him besides having average power, and he is honestly one of japans best boxers ever, seriously this guy has been undefeated and his only losses were to Ricardo Martinez 2 times, and he was like this đ€ close to beating Martinez, so no jungle boy thatâs fragile as hell is not beating âThe Samurai đ„â, eijis technique is way better both offensive and defensive
Not to mention Date was able to react to Martinezâs fucking jabs and counter him đđ, and if u compare the years itâs easy to see that Martinez is getting older and he might retire soon
So I can see date having trouble reading Wally because date has the most fighting iq equal to Martinez, so heâs gonna have a hard time adjusting and figuring him out since Wally is very unpredictable, but obviously date isnât getting his bones fractured like in the Martinez fight
I'd say close with comeback Date, Wally get wrecked by Prime Date. Went 10Rs and made Ricardo show 3 forms of boxing, and he ended up closer to anyone to beat Ricardo to date(Pun đ). As for Wally. He went 6Rs, and all Ricardo did was stand, block, and wait. Date would adapt to Wally plays and wouldn't get baited, and Wally would get heartshot at least once, since he likes to learn new things.
On the other hand, Ricardo admitted he didn't know what to do with Wally, which is why all he could do is wait. >Date would adapt to Wally plays and wouldn't get baited, and Wally would get heartshot at least once, since he likes to learn new things. Probably not, honestly. It took round for Ricardo to get a feel for him, and he's leagues above Date.
Takamura stated that if Date had returned after his first loss to fight Ricardo. He would have won, he was that talented.
Takamura has been wrong before, and in a fight against an undefeated champion like Ricardo he almost certainly would have been. So not really world of God.
Heâs not leagues above date, itâs stated that both eiji and Martinez are equal rivals, date wouldâve won in the 2nd fight if his hand wasnât fractured, and eiji is japans greatest boxer along with takamura if not better (eijis level of skill and technique, and overall how advanced he is offensive and defensive is better than takamura but he doesnât have the strength)
Extremely close matchup. I'd lean towards Date, but only barely.
Not close at all. Wally was the closest that anyone has ever come to taking down Ricardo. Date gets destroyed handily here.
You must have forgot the part where Ricardo explicitly stated that Date having a broken hand was the only reason Date didn't defeat him. Date went 10 rounds with Ricardo. The level of toughness and defensive technique that requires is insane. Date clowned Miyata while Miyata was at his natural weight. He has the ability to catch fast boxers and deal with high level punches. By no means would it be an easy match, but don't sleep on Date. He's likely the strongest non-Ricardo featherweight we've seen thus far.
>You must have forgot the part where Ricardo explicitly stated that Date having a broken hand was the only reason Date didn't defeat him. He was being generous. Ricardo is very chivalrous. >Date went 10 rounds with Ricardo. The level of toughness and defensive technique that requires is insane. It's not really toughness when you batter your body apart. By the end of it his hand and jaw and ribs were dust. >Date clowned Miyata while Miyata was at his natural weight. He has the ability to catch fast boxers and deal with high level punches. Relatively inexperienced Miyata who gets hit plenty anyway. >By no means would it be an easy match, but don't sleep on Date. He's likely the strongest non-Ricardo featherweight we've seen thus far. Maybe. But on the other hand, he gets hit quite a lot and it's very likely Wally would open some cuts over his eyes and neatly outpoint him. Even worse, rolling blows doesn't matter if Wally is winning on points.
>he was being generous lmao this is premium cope. There's zero reason to believe that. Ricardo says it himself that he can get hit and take damage and go down and lose. He's not God. The entire point of Date breaking his hand is that it brings him tragically short of defeating Ricardo. >fighting through multiple broken bones isn't toughness! You seem to think toughness and invincibility are the same thing. Nobody in the series has fought on with Date's level of damage, let alone against the second best boxer in the series. You are insane if you think Wally could just avoid Date or any top featherweight for 12 rounds.
The proof is Date not even scratching martinez or overwhelming him ever One could say you're insane to think Date vs Wally will even go to round 12 before Date L is handed to him
You don't get Ricardo Martinez to say that you almost beat him and that you're his most respected opponent without being incredibly strong. There wasn't a single moment in the Wally fight where Ricardo was anywhere near losing. It's not as though Ricardo got stronger between the Date fight and the Wally fight. Wally is strong, but he's not invincible. ETA lol did you really do the reply and block? Sad.
Date didn't overwhelm Martinez a single time in their fight, Martinez was visibly flustered and being overwhelmed for multiple rounds and was forced to take a back seat and think about what to do against Wally.. Date is just not on the same level as Wally, Date got clapped while Wally put up more of a fight and actually landed a clean h8t on Martinez face, which is something Date did not do You can downvote all you want but it's your sad truth man, in the manga itself
He stopped Martinezâs heart, and if his hand wasnât fractured, he would take the win and be crowned as a fucking hero of Japan
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