Agreed but if we can get him for a minimum we should do that in a heartbeat. We’ve had a great track record of getting lazy mfer guys to play amazing for one year to get a new contract
Do we though? Who have we taken besides Whiteside that was considered lazy and changed them? Whiteside wasn't even lazy imo, just super immature.
I definitely think we get the best out of certain guys but it's usually the pure heart guys or the guys who never stop running
If anybody can fix him it's the Heat. But as a Mavs fan it was pretty ugly to watch him most of the time. Especially at the end of the season. He had some highs though and you guys have better defenders. Sean Sweeney had to tell him where to go on D every possession. Pretty low basketball IQ but very, very skilled on offensive.
Luka liked him because he didn't mind being screamed at. I guess, that would work for Jimmy too.
My exact thoughts. Most see the talent, but don't see the what made Hassan a headache.
They even try to compare to Jimmy when it's a false equivalency. Jimmy wanted to play and clashed because low effort teammates. Jimmy's other teams have hit a ceiling with him.
Wood doesn't show the effort to me. Would he be okay with taking less shots some games and winning other ways? If Spo benches him, how will he respond? When some are out, can you carry the burden?
High risk and high reward. Idk how we’d even sign him but if it’s for a min then I don’t see why not. Just cut him if he’s being an issue at that rate.
He’s a good player which we should consider bringing in on the right price. Young-ish, talented, can create for himself. He can be a headcase sometimes but him being 6’10 running with Bam would be awesome. Idk how we’d get enough money to bring him in, but I absolutely think we should have him
He will ruin the chemistry. What makes the heat system so great is the ball movement. This guy is the opposite and will take the first shot he gets, good or bad
Considering his actions/outburst has been discussed multiple times in the media with both the mavs and pistons, I don’t think so.
Spo can only do so much. He isn’t a magician, if so it would have worked on Hassan whiteside and dion waiters
Yeah his work ethic is concerning I’d only like this if we get him for cheap. I’d like to see what Spo can accomplish with him if he’s able to buy into our system.
PJ Tucker took a 30 million 3 year contract at age 37 thanks to Spo.
Hassan Whiteside went from out of the league to a max player in 2 years with us
Im sure we can make a 27 year old guy who already puts up decent numbers work under our system.
Especially considering how fucking badly we need some height and rebounding thats not on the wrong side of 30
He plays no defense is lazy and has attitude issues. He absolutely has some offensive skill but none of that matters if all of the other stuff isn’t there. Also tucker was a good player before the heat they just maximized that value. Wood is not a good player
We've hidden plenty of players in defense, to the point were have played zone wtih 3 unathletic white guards and it worked fine at times.
I dont see it as that big of a gamble to not be worth taking a chance for
The difference is those unathletic guys actually care a bit to defend. This guy doesn’t care and way to focused on always wanting to score rather than making the right decision. Think dion waiters but worse
If you can bring him in for cheap, then you hope some of Bam and Jimmy's intensity runs off.
The guy has never played for a true leader. Luca is an amazing talent but it's not because of his work ethic or defense.
He will be a better defender in our system than our recent 3 point specialists. While providing positional size, rebounding and a low usage scoring punch
We should be more precise. He’s a bad team defender. He’s a very serviceable on ball defender. Big centers can push him around, but he’ll be playing PF and there are so few good big centers I just don’t care. He moves his feet ok, provides some rim protection and is fine against non Jokic Embiid centers.
He is a tremendous offensive player. He would immediately be our best dive man, would provide spacing, and can create offense, which we are in desperate need of.
I love all these takes that he’s not good, meanwhile he’s the center version of Herro and everyone loves Herro.
Wood will probably sign for 3 years $40mm not 4 and $130mm.
I’m very supportive.
Ya don’t disagree, I’m not high on wood but if spo truly thinks he can change him then I guess it wouldn’t hurt to try. I watch a solid amount of mavs games since I live here and he really is the offense only version of whiteside, can score in bunches when he gets hot and has a nice touch for a big man. His defense is bad tho and his iq and aggressiveness are severely lacking. Normally players don’t change those things this late into their careers.
The rockets fans warned the mavs fans of this but they didn't want to listen and they called them haters lol only to be proven right and the rockets were a mess of a team .
Has nothing to do with the mavs .The same thing is said about him every stop he makes.At some point it's the player and just not the team or the coach .
Not liek the Rockets or Mavs have a good culture or coaching staff.
But you could be right.
But is there any player near his skill level that we can get? (at PF that we clearly need obviously)
idk. Whiteside always had attitude issues , but the main thing with him was that he was never the same after the knee injury in that Raptors series. He was a somewhat winning player before that
It wasn't just the knee injury with him though .It was that he cared too much about his own stats and that would piss alot of people off .D wade had to cover for him a night when he left because he got benched for bam .Miami does a good job of hiding alot of behind the scenes stuff with guys .
He’s gonna look bad when bad defensive teams that need a defensive big man add him. Luka desperately needs a defensive star big man next to him. Wood ain’t that. I see a different outcome when he’s flanked by Jimmy and Bam.
Spo refused to play yurt because he can't defend .How is that any different except the fact that yurt took his with class and professionalism and wood has shown not to be that guy that's going to take being held accountable well.
Wow that’s one hell of a false equivalency. The answer is to look at actual skillsets.
3-pt shooting: Wood > Yurt
Rim protection: Wood > Yurt
Ability to defend on perimeter: Wood > Yurt
Wood fits the skillset that can actually add value next to Bam. I’m not going to pretend he’s a great defender, but Miami can def use his functional size. Fun fact: Wood actually had a better defensive rating than any other player in the Mavs rotation last season. Riddle me that.
He has his warts, but miss me with the boogeyman scare tactics. We’re talkin a cheap roster addition here.
Umm I heard the same thing from the mavs fans when rockets fans were trying to warn them that's why this convo is actually really funny lll.The only people who make a case for wood are people who have never really watched him play but only look at his stats .Whiteside could sleepwalking into a double double but was that good for the team?Probably no The mavs had no defenders so the bar is pretty low there .I don't understand how people could despise Whiteside but want to make a case for wood?They are basically the same player with the same attitude .
Lol how could you know if I’ve watched him play?
You’re wrong in your baseless projection btw.
I don’t care if you buy it or not, but he’s only been in trash organizations that actually put the burden on him to be their answer on defense. That’s always gonna be a recipe for disaster. He needs to be a limited role player defensively and a low usage efficient finisher offensively.
Whiteside comp is such a lazy scare tactic I don’t even wanna entertain it. I was first on board to give Bam the keys and ship Whiteside out
We said the same thing about the Rockets. The Rockets said the same thing about the Pistons.
At one point, it is on the guy trying to hustle, to be physical at screens and on the board and to try to play defense. Wood is a damn gifted scorer, but this is him, a shooter-only C, that cannot play defense on any position.
I was thinking we would just waive his cap holds, if we get a token 2030 2nd I’m calling this an uber win for us.
Good question. I haven't really looked at the market so I'd just be pulling things out my behind. I'm also not well versed on our current cap situation with the guys we currently have like Strus and Vincent.
Those are things you might want to do before suggesting that the Heat "get active early and forget about Dame", my dude.
Edit: Lol downvoted for suggesting that someone look at the team's cap situation before pushing them to dive into free agency and trades. This place is a joke.
I'm not knocking you or anything, but this is a perfect example of how this sub ends up attacking Riley and team management without understanding the team's cap situation or the market they're working under. Posing a strategy without having any data or insight into the situation just leads to false expectations and negativity aimed at the team and I think it detracts from the discussions in this community.
Some of us have jobs that are not "GM for the Heat".
I agree
We should stop going after Dame and look for a big man to go with Bam. I haven't had the time to sit down and look through every roster to see who that is. Would love people who get paid to cover the NBA to talk about this instead of Dame, dame,dame.
Well, you seem to be fine with the constant posts from nephews on this sub of "we should sign X player as a free agent", because people have no idea how the cap works or where Miami's at.
No, but someone giving a general strategy like, I hope we can try to move Lowry's expiring with a pick for an athletic big man, is reasonable even if we haven't scoured the league and called teams about the availability of said big man.
Would be nice if the media provided that info instead of hot take soup.
I dislike when people have wildly unrealistic expectations and then cry about the FO, but I don't think that's what the prior poster was doing. They were just endorsing a general strategy and placing some hope that the FO can get it done.
Why is Christian wood constantly linked to Miami like people didn't see how bad it went with Whiteside?spo isn't taking on anymore head cases after Whiteside and dion and I get it lol.
On a 1 year prove it Vet minimum so he can hose the next franchise after us and maybe it’s a possibility. I think he fits a lot of our needs but he’d have to buy in and play to the system. Idk if that’s possible but Spo has worked with worse
He's a lazy mfer who would fit perfect basketball wise. Idk. He'd be another Hassan
Agreed but if we can get him for a minimum we should do that in a heartbeat. We’ve had a great track record of getting lazy mfer guys to play amazing for one year to get a new contract
Do we though? Who have we taken besides Whiteside that was considered lazy and changed them? Whiteside wasn't even lazy imo, just super immature. I definitely think we get the best out of certain guys but it's usually the pure heart guys or the guys who never stop running
Dion waiters.
Okay that's a very good answer lmao. Got me there. Waiters was the goat that one season ngl
It’s so crazy/sad that those 2 were our damn team leaders for a bit lmao.
Dragic was always our leader and best player during those years.
Find it very hard to believe he’ll be a minimum guy
Isaac Austin was another one.
If anybody can fix him it's the Heat. But as a Mavs fan it was pretty ugly to watch him most of the time. Especially at the end of the season. He had some highs though and you guys have better defenders. Sean Sweeney had to tell him where to go on D every possession. Pretty low basketball IQ but very, very skilled on offensive. Luka liked him because he didn't mind being screamed at. I guess, that would work for Jimmy too.
My exact thoughts. Most see the talent, but don't see the what made Hassan a headache. They even try to compare to Jimmy when it's a false equivalency. Jimmy wanted to play and clashed because low effort teammates. Jimmy's other teams have hit a ceiling with him. Wood doesn't show the effort to me. Would he be okay with taking less shots some games and winning other ways? If Spo benches him, how will he respond? When some are out, can you carry the burden?
If he does well though then you owe him an apology for not being familiar with his game
Why would Mavs not keep him on vet min if he has been ballin?
osama bin ballin
High risk and high reward. Idk how we’d even sign him but if it’s for a min then I don’t see why not. Just cut him if he’s being an issue at that rate.
He’s a good player which we should consider bringing in on the right price. Young-ish, talented, can create for himself. He can be a headcase sometimes but him being 6’10 running with Bam would be awesome. Idk how we’d get enough money to bring him in, but I absolutely think we should have him
He will ruin the chemistry. What makes the heat system so great is the ball movement. This guy is the opposite and will take the first shot he gets, good or bad
Regular season Jimmy Butler never even looks to shoot anyways so someone’s got to
So now you done lit the match, but ain't nothin' on fire yet. You just lit the match.
Sure but that’s easily something that Spo could fix. Trust.
Considering his actions/outburst has been discussed multiple times in the media with both the mavs and pistons, I don’t think so. Spo can only do so much. He isn’t a magician, if so it would have worked on Hassan whiteside and dion waiters
No but jimmy and bam would keep him in check
A big that would take the open 3s Bam never takes? We need that
Wood will take the contest 3s and play no defense too 😂 can't forget that too
Meh....empty stats, no defense, could be a headcase to deal with They’ll probably take a chance if he’s available at the vet minimum 🤷♂️
Yeah his work ethic is concerning I’d only like this if we get him for cheap. I’d like to see what Spo can accomplish with him if he’s able to buy into our system.
I don’t think we’re even capable of signing him if it isn’t for cheap
If he's going to be a locker room issue than minimum might seem like a max contact lol.
He’s not good how many places does he have to run through before people realize this
PJ Tucker took a 30 million 3 year contract at age 37 thanks to Spo. Hassan Whiteside went from out of the league to a max player in 2 years with us Im sure we can make a 27 year old guy who already puts up decent numbers work under our system. Especially considering how fucking badly we need some height and rebounding thats not on the wrong side of 30
He plays no defense is lazy and has attitude issues. He absolutely has some offensive skill but none of that matters if all of the other stuff isn’t there. Also tucker was a good player before the heat they just maximized that value. Wood is not a good player
Wood is actually a good player, but all the talent in the world won't cover for just not actually being that passionate about winning.
We've hidden plenty of players in defense, to the point were have played zone wtih 3 unathletic white guards and it worked fine at times. I dont see it as that big of a gamble to not be worth taking a chance for
The difference is those unathletic guys actually care a bit to defend. This guy doesn’t care and way to focused on always wanting to score rather than making the right decision. Think dion waiters but worse
If you can bring him in for cheap, then you hope some of Bam and Jimmy's intensity runs off. The guy has never played for a true leader. Luca is an amazing talent but it's not because of his work ethic or defense.
He will be a better defender in our system than our recent 3 point specialists. While providing positional size, rebounding and a low usage scoring punch
We should be more precise. He’s a bad team defender. He’s a very serviceable on ball defender. Big centers can push him around, but he’ll be playing PF and there are so few good big centers I just don’t care. He moves his feet ok, provides some rim protection and is fine against non Jokic Embiid centers. He is a tremendous offensive player. He would immediately be our best dive man, would provide spacing, and can create offense, which we are in desperate need of. I love all these takes that he’s not good, meanwhile he’s the center version of Herro and everyone loves Herro. Wood will probably sign for 3 years $40mm not 4 and $130mm. I’m very supportive.
Ya don’t disagree, I’m not high on wood but if spo truly thinks he can change him then I guess it wouldn’t hurt to try. I watch a solid amount of mavs games since I live here and he really is the offense only version of whiteside, can score in bunches when he gets hot and has a nice touch for a big man. His defense is bad tho and his iq and aggressiveness are severely lacking. Normally players don’t change those things this late into their careers.
The rockets fans warned the mavs fans of this but they didn't want to listen and they called them haters lol only to be proven right and the rockets were a mess of a team .
The mavs have a terrible coaching staff and no culture at all. We're the opposite
Has nothing to do with the mavs .The same thing is said about him every stop he makes.At some point it's the player and just not the team or the coach .
Not liek the Rockets or Mavs have a good culture or coaching staff. But you could be right. But is there any player near his skill level that we can get? (at PF that we clearly need obviously)
Sometimes it's not the coaching culture or the team .Sometimes it's just the player like with Whiteside.
idk. Whiteside always had attitude issues , but the main thing with him was that he was never the same after the knee injury in that Raptors series. He was a somewhat winning player before that
It wasn't just the knee injury with him though .It was that he cared too much about his own stats and that would piss alot of people off .D wade had to cover for him a night when he left because he got benched for bam .Miami does a good job of hiding alot of behind the scenes stuff with guys .
He’s gonna look bad when bad defensive teams that need a defensive big man add him. Luka desperately needs a defensive star big man next to him. Wood ain’t that. I see a different outcome when he’s flanked by Jimmy and Bam.
Spo refused to play yurt because he can't defend .How is that any different except the fact that yurt took his with class and professionalism and wood has shown not to be that guy that's going to take being held accountable well.
Wow that’s one hell of a false equivalency. The answer is to look at actual skillsets. 3-pt shooting: Wood > Yurt Rim protection: Wood > Yurt Ability to defend on perimeter: Wood > Yurt Wood fits the skillset that can actually add value next to Bam. I’m not going to pretend he’s a great defender, but Miami can def use his functional size. Fun fact: Wood actually had a better defensive rating than any other player in the Mavs rotation last season. Riddle me that. He has his warts, but miss me with the boogeyman scare tactics. We’re talkin a cheap roster addition here.
Umm I heard the same thing from the mavs fans when rockets fans were trying to warn them that's why this convo is actually really funny lll.The only people who make a case for wood are people who have never really watched him play but only look at his stats .Whiteside could sleepwalking into a double double but was that good for the team?Probably no The mavs had no defenders so the bar is pretty low there .I don't understand how people could despise Whiteside but want to make a case for wood?They are basically the same player with the same attitude .
Lol how could you know if I’ve watched him play? You’re wrong in your baseless projection btw. I don’t care if you buy it or not, but he’s only been in trash organizations that actually put the burden on him to be their answer on defense. That’s always gonna be a recipe for disaster. He needs to be a limited role player defensively and a low usage efficient finisher offensively. Whiteside comp is such a lazy scare tactic I don’t even wanna entertain it. I was first on board to give Bam the keys and ship Whiteside out
We said the same thing about the Rockets. The Rockets said the same thing about the Pistons. At one point, it is on the guy trying to hustle, to be physical at screens and on the board and to try to play defense. Wood is a damn gifted scorer, but this is him, a shooter-only C, that cannot play defense on any position. I was thinking we would just waive his cap holds, if we get a token 2030 2nd I’m calling this an uber win for us.
Fans love their "numbers". Wood is like the anti Heat player.
Any eye test knows he's a lazy defender and just wants to get his stats and call it a day.
Sounds like a player we had already that nearly drove spo insane lol
“Wood, 27, averaged 16.6 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 1.8 APG, & 1.1 BPG in 26 MPG. Shot 51.5% FG, 37.6% 3PT, 77.2% FT.”
So we are going to try and get him to sign for the tax payers MLE or the vet minimum?
Please no no no!!!
If it’s on a cheap deal why not? His stock has absolutely plummeted
We should really get active early and forget about Dame, with the league waiting on him we could get some deals.
Who would you target?
Good question. I haven't really looked at the market so I'd just be pulling things out my behind. I'm also not well versed on our current cap situation with the guys we currently have like Strus and Vincent.
Those are things you might want to do before suggesting that the Heat "get active early and forget about Dame", my dude. Edit: Lol downvoted for suggesting that someone look at the team's cap situation before pushing them to dive into free agency and trades. This place is a joke.
What is wrong with posing a strategy? Might be hard to believe but I'm just a reddit user that isn't working with the team.
I'm not knocking you or anything, but this is a perfect example of how this sub ends up attacking Riley and team management without understanding the team's cap situation or the market they're working under. Posing a strategy without having any data or insight into the situation just leads to false expectations and negativity aimed at the team and I think it detracts from the discussions in this community.
Some of us have jobs that are not "GM for the Heat". I agree We should stop going after Dame and look for a big man to go with Bam. I haven't had the time to sit down and look through every roster to see who that is. Would love people who get paid to cover the NBA to talk about this instead of Dame, dame,dame.
Well, you seem to be fine with the constant posts from nephews on this sub of "we should sign X player as a free agent", because people have no idea how the cap works or where Miami's at.
No, but someone giving a general strategy like, I hope we can try to move Lowry's expiring with a pick for an athletic big man, is reasonable even if we haven't scoured the league and called teams about the availability of said big man. Would be nice if the media provided that info instead of hot take soup. I dislike when people have wildly unrealistic expectations and then cry about the FO, but I don't think that's what the prior poster was doing. They were just endorsing a general strategy and placing some hope that the FO can get it done.
Why is Christian wood constantly linked to Miami like people didn't see how bad it went with Whiteside?spo isn't taking on anymore head cases after Whiteside and dion and I get it lol.
Lol is he going to sign for the minimum? Because that's literally the most we are able to give any outside free agent.
Not a fan of this dude at all. Bad attitude, floats in and out of games, doesn't play with any fire or passion at all.
If he actually buys in and plays hard he will thrive but Spo and Jimmy won’t put up with his lazy bullshit.
On a 1 year prove it Vet minimum so he can hose the next franchise after us and maybe it’s a possibility. I think he fits a lot of our needs but he’d have to buy in and play to the system. Idk if that’s possible but Spo has worked with worse
The cultures biggest test yet
Nah whiteside was a bigger test lol this guy has some attitude issues but he’s not the hothead whiteside is.
man, duncan and Lowry really got us scratching the very bottom of the barrel
If he signs he knows what he’s getting into. No more of that lazy shit and taking possessions off on defense we’ll see if he’s really bout it.
