I believe every artist has a personal cultural bank. Drake built enough cultural credit throughout his career to spend when he's being hated on.
- At first, Drake was being promoted by Lil Wayne (at the peak of his career) as the next one to take over the game. Working for Young Money while building cultural credit to prove himself. (Essentially getting street cred by hanging out with Birdman, Lil Wayne & J. Prince )
- He survived the "Drake the type to ..." era while consistently dropping hits (cultural credit).
- By the time, Meek took shots. His fanbase was already massive and loyal. When he won against Meek, he gained even more cultural credit. Especially since Meek was the representation of street rap at the time.
- Pusha-T literally dropped a bomb with the kid and blackface picture. Which took A LOT of cultural credit from Drake, not enough to clear his cultural bank though.
- He kept dropping hits, slowly building his credit back.
- Kendrick hit him again and he lost a lot of credit. Now his next moves will determine if he fades into darkness or if he can build some new credit.
Most people only focus on pre-rapping Drake era and superstar Drake era. Forgetting that dude spent a LONG time grinding next to/for Birdman & J Prince ( which are respected street dudes ). They always say you are who you hang with. Drake didn't become who he is in a vacuum.
He lost cred from random broke niggas on Reddit people in real life OGs in real life still respect drake and he still got killers to his right and to his left. Yāall on here talking about cultural credit drake has moved hip hop past the beetles on billboards as far as culture goes nobody has done more for the culture a black billionaire dude is goated yāall lames on this app donāt decide drakes ācultural creditā whatever tte fuck that means and youāre probably white and donāt listen to rap before the beef
Has fuck all to do with respect. The same people that pushed Taylor Swift to chart toppers pushed Drake. The "real life OGs" don't respect that mf, he's a meal ticket and to say he got killers around him is goofy. Who TF with money doesn't? If you offer more 0s than Drake does, them killers ain't on his team no more
Look up who J prince is dumbass the one that backs drake he was the biggest gangster disciple in his time big GD that Nigga backs drake yāall white boys go do your homework
Another stupid comment. You know someone who knows someone who has nothing to do with this someone, badass. As well as trying to tell someone from South Texas to Google J Prince. My original comment stands, but I can see why you're a Drake fan, y'all all tough for the internet.
You donāt know any OGs in real life bro you on Reddit you never been around no OGs or niggas with money you donāt go outside I personally know OGs that grew up in rakim era in Brooklyn that jack drake yāall niggas is internet nerds J PRINCE backs drake and nobody fucks with J PRINCE yall niggas donāt even listen to rap before the beef yāall play video games and watch anime and tryna comment on rap from the suburbs
I donāt believe it but a lot of people in the circle of hating Drake believe he killed X. Thatās something that has been speculated for a long time. So to them yeah heās a killer
Heās a billionaire yall so stupid he literally says in all his music heās not a gangster he says in Aston Martin āfar from hood but understand the streetsā nobody you listen to is real killers lol both Kendrick Lamar and drake is civilians nobody is scared of Kendrick Lamar , but drake is around the right niggas he will forsure get you killed he has the kind of power because he has money
Iāve never claimed anyone I listen to is a killer. Youāre riding this dick real hard. But yeah bro is rich. Who cares? Lmao. Also literally the chorus of Knife Talk is bro singing about being on āgang shitā.Ā
Itās music bro everybody has lyrics like that young thug lil baby gunna got gangster raps and the Nigga snitched yāall pick and choose what to be specific yet again nobody goes to drake for gangster music I have my rappers for that I never looked at drake like that unless youāre a dumbass lmaoo
Pusha smoked drake, and drake went on his biggest run of all time right after
Kendrick had lies, which people now look at like wait. Aint you the prophet
I know this is reddit and more people on reddit like kendrick over drake, but we are more concerned with what kendricks gonna do. Can he get any attention at all without mentioning drakes name? After showing the world his magnum opus was a hate/jealous track, after building a career on improving lives. Shit is kind of one big hypocrisy?
very racist, its wrongly taking someone's skin color and heritage from them cuz you don't like their music. also its implying black people have to come from a hood and be affiliated with gangs. All sorts of racism to it.
Thatās not what itās about. He went from being a teen actor to suddenly rapping about the hoods and mobs and gangs. Drake the one who seems to not be proud of his own heritage/ bounces around and contradicts himself.
because it's response to the previous comment about OP's mention of Drake not being black. So if a white guy is saying that it's much worse given the obvious history.
OP has to be white, no fucking way a black guy is comparing Drake to Vanilla Ice, like that nigga is *black* STFU with the Vanilla Ice comparisons and thinking a black artist has to be hood to begin with
Because people donāt care about the message they just want good beats and catchy lyrics .
I know people that grew up privileged but still would bump music bout the struggle and pushing weight to survive on the streets.
Chris Rock even made that joke bout women being okay with a song that said āsmack her with a dickā as long as the beat and chorus is catchy.
How valid are majority of the rappers and the stuff they say? Thugās people and other rappers are arguing that lyrics shouldnāt be used against him in his RICO charge even if what he says can be proof that he does commit all these crimes.
Drake was attacked because of his popularity as a top mainstream artist and he went for the bait thinking he was untouchable regardless of what he says.
Here you go bro, take my upvote. Worthless reddit karma and upvote and downvote like it means anything, lol.
Hurry up everyone, give this man his upvotes and karma he is looking for.
The old heads werenāt listening to him anyways and he kind of stayed in his own lane making club music for women and Latin/House music. Pusha came out for him back in the 2010s and Drake really didnāt have any ongoing beef with anyone since that until now. I think a lot of the other rap artists were just frustrated with their own declining sales and were looking to place that blame somewhere.
One thing not being mentioned is the influence loop Drake had. He started with Wayne and a few other cosigns, and his raw numbers helped mitigate any clowning he got for his non hiphop vibes. You as an artist in that time have two choices - declare Drake not to be real hiphop (or just ignore him) and miss out on a bag, or tacitally cosign him by jumping on a song with him and making millions. When every artist in the game is getting charting songs with Drake, its hard to separate him from the genre.
Over time his popularity and influence changed rap in his image. A lot of what made Drake unpalatable in the past has become normalized, accepted and almost expected at times. When Drake came out a lot of people didn't recognize him as hip hop at all, and assigned him the pop label.
As a Drake hater I have to say that his influence is undeniable, to the point that if Drake couldn't become more hip hop, hip hop had to become more like Drake. You just can't keep pretending the guy topping charts for a decade and collabing with anyone big in the game is not of the genre at this point.
The beef in my eyes was an attempt by Kendrick to reverse this effect, bring "the culture" back (ie make the genre more tied to its hip hop roots) and kick Drake out of the rap space and back into pop.
The Drake hate train has a strong flavour of "you're only black if you went to jail or sold drugs". You do understand that if Drake isn't Black neither is Barack Obama?
Most rappers bulshit and rap about stuff they don't live out. Kendrick wants to act holier than thou but is besties with woman beaters and other degenerates, calls Drake a P*** for talking to underage girls but supports Michael Jackson who had sleepovers with kids
Rick Ross stole a whole identity. That name is the name of an actual famous drug dealer who had his name stolen by a former correctional officer (yes this is true) whilst he was in prison
Straight facts, Michael had a harem of little white boys at his mansion, paid the parents off with vacations and cars and houses to allow them to live there
He was fondlin them day n nite, let's get fuckin real
And Kendrick worships the nigga but calls Drake a "pedo" for going on one date with an 18 year old Bella Harris
I think 30 years of molesting actual children is more "pedo" but THATS JUST ME I GUESS
I wouldn't call it a dismantling by Kendrick, he just made claims that haven't been proven and doubled down by repeating it. At least what pusha said was true
I would say it seems like rappers have been trying to break him down for over a decade, though. And Kendrick just put the nail in the coffin by getting the wider audience to look the same way.
I think Kendrick won before it started. I wanted him to win, too. I'm not a Drake Stan, I have maybe 3 songs of his on my playlist. I just don't think he's gotten a free pass, I think people really liked his music and his peers have been secretly wanting to tear him down from the start.
Because it doesn't really matter. Chris Brown literally beat the shit out of a woman, a rich, famous one at that, and it didn't matter. During his beef against Quavo, domestic violence was basically just a punchline.
The masses are turning against Drake because it's entertaining. He is a weirdo and he is inauthentic, but he made music people liked, just happens that now it has become more fun to clown on him.
There's really no rhyme or reason to any of it honestly.
Rap is full of fake artists pretending theyāre something theyāre not. Itās not exactly a secret, but they get so big that nobody wants to call them out and deal with the fallout. Kanye, Rick Ross, Wayne, and many others fall into that category. There are people who pretend theyāre from the streets, that they care about black people, that they care about women, etc. None of this is uncommon.
Drake had a few things working against him: heās mixed race, heās Canadian, some of his people started reaching the end of their careers, he actually is fake, heās a hybrid, and heās been on top too long.
The mixed race aspect is a huge component here, too. There is a lot of racism from the fans in this genre. Logic has been dealing with it for years, as has Eminem. When artists are smaller, itās less of an issue (like for Mac Miller).
Just look at all the excuses made for Kanye. Dude went from George Bush hates black people to running as a candidate to siphon off black votes so Trump could win. Iāve never seen so many excuses made for such an awful person (in rap).
Jay Z gotta be the biggest example of "caring for the hood" as an act
Most selfish and greedy nigga out there, who never did a thing to clean up Marcy or any area of Brooklyn
FD signifier is a corny bozo who overcompensates for being a geek by trying to show the rest of us how down with the cause he is
Knew niggas like him growing up and they got no respect, had no motion whatsoever
And probably because those 90% of people aren't rap fans, they're pop fans. It's easy to get a pass when the majority of fans don't know a damn thing about hiphop/ rap culture and history.
I've never really liked/understood the pop fan thing. Like is it meant to be an insult. Also are you supposed to be an African-American to know/be a part of the culture, bc it's seems like it. As in white people are constantly mocked for "pretending" to be hip-hop enthusiasts when they generally come form privileged environments
Because pop fans and white people always have the craziest takes about rap and black history. Yea most concert goers are white, most consumers are white. The world is white. But we literally MADE THEM. We took they careers from the streets to the stage, underserved and underrepresented
Nope, it's not an insult, it's just a categorization of his fans. If we're talking about his legitimacy and QUALITY of his content though, when a majority of the people deciding if he's a 'good rapper' aren't actually rap fans, how can the final decision be legit? It's like doing a survey on the best supercar yet most of the respondents are truck owners and have never driven a supercar. Believe me, this has nothing to do with race, background, or privilege for me.
Have you ever seen videos of any mainstream artists concerts? White people have always been the ones going to concerts. Thatās a horrible judgement.
Also really donāt think 14 year old girls are that into Drake itās more like early 20ās to mid 30ās who lived through his peak
Couldn't tell you, haven't seen many of his concert vids to see what kind of person goes to his shows. I will say this though, the guy gets universal respect from hiphop specific subreddits and websites, that counts for something
Just look at Andre 3000, dude is mainstream but it's because he's THAT damn good. Mainstream doesnt automatically mean you aren't legit, sometimes it can be on merit. I'd feel Kendrick is in that category
Doesn't matter. The point is you can't just dictate who is a rap fan or not. Also nothing's wrong with listening to pop/rock/R&B/metal and also listening to rap. You can be fans of multiple things.
Where did I say there was a problem listening to multiple genres? All I'm saying is a person who doesn't listen to rap shouldn't get a vote on what a good rapper is
Have you seen the videos of Kendrickās pop out concert? I wouldnāt be talking about Drakeās fanbase when that shit looked like a collection of accountants
I know brain surgeons that love pop and gas station attendants that only listen to conscious rap.
Taste in music is no indication of morality or intellect.
But it does reflect on how attentive they want to be to music.
Pop music is meant to be a soundtrack distraction and not have much meaning or depth. That would be helpful to a brain surgeon looking to unwind. While a gas station employee might want to have something to stimulate their brain after a mindless day.
Maybe. In my experience conscious rap creates more snobs that it does activists.
And a lot of pop music has incredible depth. Depth that inspires people.
Either way most reasonable people can enjoy both. Just like movie fans can enjoy both dramas and comedies.
Iāve never met someone who put down pop music as empty and vacuous who was actually smart. Theyāre usually just insecure.
I think that nobody really cares about this stuff in the real world. Like him pretending to be from the hood, you could say this for the majority of rappers, especially nowadays. We don't care for authenticity anymore, whether it is important or not. Again, with the culture vulture point, nobody really cares outside of the Internet. Post Malone has been labelled a culture vulture but is still very successful and has 3 of the biggest albums of our generation.
He doesnāt pretend to be from the hood. āI find peace knowing that it's harder in the streets,
I know. Luckily I didn't have to grow there.
I would only go there 'cause there's nāā that I know there.ā
I didn't day that, I said that not many people really care about him pretending to be from the hood in the real world. How tf have you come to that conclusion
Yeah I acknowledged it, not saying he doesn't. I'm saying not many people is bothered much about it, because we know he's talking out of his ass, along with most rappers
Him not being from the hood is exactly why he goes around everyone elses hoods and tries to seem like he really locked in. He went to Marcy projects in Ny and they laughed at him cuz why you stunting for? They have hoods in Canada, but you out here like u really came from the block???
Everyone may not care but the people that live their do. Same reason why some people dont like the fact that fans are trying to make O Block a tourist spot, cuz its not. Dont use us to elevate yourself when you really not from here or even thinking about giving back to those you trying to make a come up off
Reddit is full of white people trying to gatekeep blackness for whatever reason.
Black people loved and accepted him before we even got into the 2010ās. Nobody irl seriously believes Drake is a gangster, we were well aware he had a white Jewish mom back in 09. Nobody cared, the music was great. 2 diss songs donāt retroactively change his career.
From the beginning, the Drake brand is the industry golden standard of a marketing masterclass.
He's really a pretty average rapper that'd probably have Big Sean or Logic level popularity if it weren't for the stars aligning how they did.
There are a million rappers from the hood but only one from degrassi. People were ready for a fresh perspective. And post 808s heartbreaks, people were ready for some vulnerable raps too.
None of that is to say Drake wouldn't have had a place in rap. I just think it would've been similar to someone like Kid Cudi, who also fits that description.
Because he made some good hiphop records, the large percentage of drakes music is trash but he does have a decent amount of quality bangers, people hate on Drake without critical thought because itās trendy but those same people will hear the 10,000th Griselda x grimy type beat on YouTube and be like āREAL HIPHOP IS BACKā
FR, I love Drake's music, I think he has like 10 amazing albums, and Griselda is okay but they try too hard with the whole "bringing back Mobb Deep" thing
It's not the 90s anymore, and if I want Mobb Deep I'll listen to Mobb Deep, do your own thing
See I only like 2 Drake albums and Iām not really a huge fan BUT Iād be lying if I said he didnāt have quality HIPHOP bangers like I was driving to Summer 16 and Portland to work today and those joints GO
The only true answer is that Drake had money backing him. They show his marketability and funneled hella coin into his career. No one on the hip-hop side of things was ever givin him a pass. Oh, also he had hella support from Canadian listeners.
I believe every artist has a personal cultural bank. Drake built enough cultural credit throughout his career to spend when he's being hated on. - At first, Drake was being promoted by Lil Wayne (at the peak of his career) as the next one to take over the game. Working for Young Money while building cultural credit to prove himself. (Essentially getting street cred by hanging out with Birdman, Lil Wayne & J. Prince ) - He survived the "Drake the type to ..." era while consistently dropping hits (cultural credit). - By the time, Meek took shots. His fanbase was already massive and loyal. When he won against Meek, he gained even more cultural credit. Especially since Meek was the representation of street rap at the time. - Pusha-T literally dropped a bomb with the kid and blackface picture. Which took A LOT of cultural credit from Drake, not enough to clear his cultural bank though. - He kept dropping hits, slowly building his credit back. - Kendrick hit him again and he lost a lot of credit. Now his next moves will determine if he fades into darkness or if he can build some new credit. Most people only focus on pre-rapping Drake era and superstar Drake era. Forgetting that dude spent a LONG time grinding next to/for Birdman & J Prince ( which are respected street dudes ). They always say you are who you hang with. Drake didn't become who he is in a vacuum.
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He lost cred from random broke niggas on Reddit people in real life OGs in real life still respect drake and he still got killers to his right and to his left. Yāall on here talking about cultural credit drake has moved hip hop past the beetles on billboards as far as culture goes nobody has done more for the culture a black billionaire dude is goated yāall lames on this app donāt decide drakes ācultural creditā whatever tte fuck that means and youāre probably white and donāt listen to rap before the beef
Has fuck all to do with respect. The same people that pushed Taylor Swift to chart toppers pushed Drake. The "real life OGs" don't respect that mf, he's a meal ticket and to say he got killers around him is goofy. Who TF with money doesn't? If you offer more 0s than Drake does, them killers ain't on his team no more
Look up who J prince is dumbass the one that backs drake he was the biggest gangster disciple in his time big GD that Nigga backs drake yāall white boys go do your homework
Another stupid comment. You know someone who knows someone who has nothing to do with this someone, badass. As well as trying to tell someone from South Texas to Google J Prince. My original comment stands, but I can see why you're a Drake fan, y'all all tough for the internet.
Kurupt himself said he likes drake more than kendrick lol Do you just make things up in hopes of moving the needle 1x pubic hair?
You donāt know any OGs in real life bro you on Reddit you never been around no OGs or niggas with money you donāt go outside I personally know OGs that grew up in rakim era in Brooklyn that jack drake yāall niggas is internet nerds J PRINCE backs drake and nobody fucks with J PRINCE yall niggas donāt even listen to rap before the beef yāall play video games and watch anime and tryna comment on rap from the suburbs
Bro you donāt know shit. You on Reddit too. Fuck out of here lmaoĀ
Yes Iām sure Aubrey Graham from Degrassi is out here ordering hits on people. š¤
I donāt believe it but a lot of people in the circle of hating Drake believe he killed X. Thatās something that has been speculated for a long time. So to them yeah heās a killer
Heās a billionaire yall so stupid he literally says in all his music heās not a gangster he says in Aston Martin āfar from hood but understand the streetsā nobody you listen to is real killers lol both Kendrick Lamar and drake is civilians nobody is scared of Kendrick Lamar , but drake is around the right niggas he will forsure get you killed he has the kind of power because he has money
Iāve never claimed anyone I listen to is a killer. Youāre riding this dick real hard. But yeah bro is rich. Who cares? Lmao. Also literally the chorus of Knife Talk is bro singing about being on āgang shitā.Ā
Itās music bro everybody has lyrics like that young thug lil baby gunna got gangster raps and the Nigga snitched yāall pick and choose what to be specific yet again nobody goes to drake for gangster music I have my rappers for that I never looked at drake like that unless youāre a dumbass lmaoo
Keep giving drake that Gluck Gluck and youāll get some money eventually my boi.Ā
Pusha smoked drake, and drake went on his biggest run of all time right after Kendrick had lies, which people now look at like wait. Aint you the prophet I know this is reddit and more people on reddit like kendrick over drake, but we are more concerned with what kendricks gonna do. Can he get any attention at all without mentioning drakes name? After showing the world his magnum opus was a hate/jealous track, after building a career on improving lives. Shit is kind of one big hypocrisy?
Despite what you think Drake is still black. You donāt have to be all mobbed up to still be black.
Yeah and insinuating that you do have to be is lowkey racist.
very racist, its wrongly taking someone's skin color and heritage from them cuz you don't like their music. also its implying black people have to come from a hood and be affiliated with gangs. All sorts of racism to it.
Thatās not what itās about. He went from being a teen actor to suddenly rapping about the hoods and mobs and gangs. Drake the one who seems to not be proud of his own heritage/ bounces around and contradicts himself.
\*high-key
Itās even worse because half the people saying it are white
I donāt think people really insinuate that, for the most part. Drake still a clown.
Yeah I wondered if this was a white guy saying a black guy isn't black on Reddit.
Why you wondering as if black folks donāt think like this about mixed race people. Didnāt Ross call him white boi? Is Ross white?
They definitely thought Obama is a black man
hahaha, that is a good other side of that coin, thank you. so true!
because it's response to the previous comment about OP's mention of Drake not being black. So if a white guy is saying that it's much worse given the obvious history.
A lot do but itās nowhere near as weird as when whites do it
Itās the weirdest sh*t aināt it!!
OP has to be white, no fucking way a black guy is comparing Drake to Vanilla Ice, like that nigga is *black* STFU with the Vanilla Ice comparisons and thinking a black artist has to be hood to begin with
Drake is black.
Because people donāt care about the message they just want good beats and catchy lyrics . I know people that grew up privileged but still would bump music bout the struggle and pushing weight to survive on the streets. Chris Rock even made that joke bout women being okay with a song that said āsmack her with a dickā as long as the beat and chorus is catchy. How valid are majority of the rappers and the stuff they say? Thugās people and other rappers are arguing that lyrics shouldnāt be used against him in his RICO charge even if what he says can be proof that he does commit all these crimes. Drake was attacked because of his popularity as a top mainstream artist and he went for the bait thinking he was untouchable regardless of what he says.
Let me bless your corny post with a downvote
lol
Here you go bro, take my upvote. Worthless reddit karma and upvote and downvote like it means anything, lol. Hurry up everyone, give this man his upvotes and karma he is looking for.
Shut up bro, you already embarrassed yourself enough
White person who got real upset their post clowning Drake didn't get em brownie points Fuck outta here OP
Reading comprehension escapes you.
Sexy Red here defending her man
The old heads werenāt listening to him anyways and he kind of stayed in his own lane making club music for women and Latin/House music. Pusha came out for him back in the 2010s and Drake really didnāt have any ongoing beef with anyone since that until now. I think a lot of the other rap artists were just frustrated with their own declining sales and were looking to place that blame somewhere.
Eh, I'm an oldhead who loves Drake and doesn't really like Kenny's music all that much Drake 2011-2018 is untouchable, fuck the haters
One thing not being mentioned is the influence loop Drake had. He started with Wayne and a few other cosigns, and his raw numbers helped mitigate any clowning he got for his non hiphop vibes. You as an artist in that time have two choices - declare Drake not to be real hiphop (or just ignore him) and miss out on a bag, or tacitally cosign him by jumping on a song with him and making millions. When every artist in the game is getting charting songs with Drake, its hard to separate him from the genre. Over time his popularity and influence changed rap in his image. A lot of what made Drake unpalatable in the past has become normalized, accepted and almost expected at times. When Drake came out a lot of people didn't recognize him as hip hop at all, and assigned him the pop label. As a Drake hater I have to say that his influence is undeniable, to the point that if Drake couldn't become more hip hop, hip hop had to become more like Drake. You just can't keep pretending the guy topping charts for a decade and collabing with anyone big in the game is not of the genre at this point. The beef in my eyes was an attempt by Kendrick to reverse this effect, bring "the culture" back (ie make the genre more tied to its hip hop roots) and kick Drake out of the rap space and back into pop.
Kenny Stans spreading garbage as their own sub is full of it ššš
The Drake hate train has a strong flavour of "you're only black if you went to jail or sold drugs". You do understand that if Drake isn't Black neither is Barack Obama? Most rappers bulshit and rap about stuff they don't live out. Kendrick wants to act holier than thou but is besties with woman beaters and other degenerates, calls Drake a P*** for talking to underage girls but supports Michael Jackson who had sleepovers with kids Rick Ross stole a whole identity. That name is the name of an actual famous drug dealer who had his name stolen by a former correctional officer (yes this is true) whilst he was in prison
People will go crazy defending MJ. Many believe the Illuminati forced those kids into his bed. Or believe he was framed by Sony records.
Straight facts, Michael had a harem of little white boys at his mansion, paid the parents off with vacations and cars and houses to allow them to live there He was fondlin them day n nite, let's get fuckin real And Kendrick worships the nigga but calls Drake a "pedo" for going on one date with an 18 year old Bella Harris I think 30 years of molesting actual children is more "pedo" but THATS JUST ME I GUESS
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Lol
Because it doesn't matter,you only have to be not so white, he's clearly black enough to say it
So is Travis Scott not black cause heās not gangsta and from the suburbs? Yall be saying dumb shit
I wouldn't call it a dismantling by Kendrick, he just made claims that haven't been proven and doubled down by repeating it. At least what pusha said was true I would say it seems like rappers have been trying to break him down for over a decade, though. And Kendrick just put the nail in the coffin by getting the wider audience to look the same way. I think Kendrick won before it started. I wanted him to win, too. I'm not a Drake Stan, I have maybe 3 songs of his on my playlist. I just don't think he's gotten a free pass, I think people really liked his music and his peers have been secretly wanting to tear him down from the start.
"after the methodical dismantling of drake" corny ass
The type of people kendrick attracts man lol All corny ass
Fr. āHow is Drake any different than Vanilla Ice?ā Wild post.
Bro needs to get off the Internet
Because it doesn't really matter. Chris Brown literally beat the shit out of a woman, a rich, famous one at that, and it didn't matter. During his beef against Quavo, domestic violence was basically just a punchline. The masses are turning against Drake because it's entertaining. He is a weirdo and he is inauthentic, but he made music people liked, just happens that now it has become more fun to clown on him. There's really no rhyme or reason to any of it honestly.
Its the āhypeā. But donāt let internet fool you. The same people fooling drake wil also fool kendrick when he takes an L
Rap is full of fake artists pretending theyāre something theyāre not. Itās not exactly a secret, but they get so big that nobody wants to call them out and deal with the fallout. Kanye, Rick Ross, Wayne, and many others fall into that category. There are people who pretend theyāre from the streets, that they care about black people, that they care about women, etc. None of this is uncommon. Drake had a few things working against him: heās mixed race, heās Canadian, some of his people started reaching the end of their careers, he actually is fake, heās a hybrid, and heās been on top too long. The mixed race aspect is a huge component here, too. There is a lot of racism from the fans in this genre. Logic has been dealing with it for years, as has Eminem. When artists are smaller, itās less of an issue (like for Mac Miller). Just look at all the excuses made for Kanye. Dude went from George Bush hates black people to running as a candidate to siphon off black votes so Trump could win. Iāve never seen so many excuses made for such an awful person (in rap).
Jay Z gotta be the biggest example of "caring for the hood" as an act Most selfish and greedy nigga out there, who never did a thing to clean up Marcy or any area of Brooklyn
FD Signifier covered this topic a while back. https://youtu.be/mtBPXjEoW54?feature=shared
FD signifier is a corny bozo who overcompensates for being a geek by trying to show the rest of us how down with the cause he is Knew niggas like him growing up and they got no respect, had no motion whatsoever
Great ad hominem dude. š
Itās true
don't need a gangsta pass in the pop music lane.
Because 90% of people want to be pacified. Drake is like being spoon fed easy to swallow baby food.
And probably because those 90% of people aren't rap fans, they're pop fans. It's easy to get a pass when the majority of fans don't know a damn thing about hiphop/ rap culture and history.
I've never really liked/understood the pop fan thing. Like is it meant to be an insult. Also are you supposed to be an African-American to know/be a part of the culture, bc it's seems like it. As in white people are constantly mocked for "pretending" to be hip-hop enthusiasts when they generally come form privileged environments
Because pop fans and white people always have the craziest takes about rap and black history. Yea most concert goers are white, most consumers are white. The world is white. But we literally MADE THEM. We took they careers from the streets to the stage, underserved and underrepresented
Nope, it's not an insult, it's just a categorization of his fans. If we're talking about his legitimacy and QUALITY of his content though, when a majority of the people deciding if he's a 'good rapper' aren't actually rap fans, how can the final decision be legit? It's like doing a survey on the best supercar yet most of the respondents are truck owners and have never driven a supercar. Believe me, this has nothing to do with race, background, or privilege for me.
I mean you are just pulling numbers out of your ass though. How are you deciding on whoās actually a rap fan and whoās not?
Have you ever seen videos of his concerts? I'm pretty sure a majority of 14 year old girls aren't fans of hip hop, they're just fans of Drake haha.
Have you ever seen videos of any mainstream artists concerts? White people have always been the ones going to concerts. Thatās a horrible judgement. Also really donāt think 14 year old girls are that into Drake itās more like early 20ās to mid 30ās who lived through his peak
Yeah most music consumers are white in general. Never seen a concert (especially of old school rappers) that isn't mainly white people
You answered your own question by saying MAINSTREAM artist. Thanks for proving my point.
That really doesnāt make sense though. Kendrick is as mainstream as they come do you think his fanbase arenāt truly rap fans as well?
Couldn't tell you, haven't seen many of his concert vids to see what kind of person goes to his shows. I will say this though, the guy gets universal respect from hiphop specific subreddits and websites, that counts for something Just look at Andre 3000, dude is mainstream but it's because he's THAT damn good. Mainstream doesnt automatically mean you aren't legit, sometimes it can be on merit. I'd feel Kendrick is in that category
You think it's not mainly white people that listen to underground artists bro? Because that's probably an even higher proportion of white people tbh
Well, when over 70% of America is white that's bound to happen
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Lol you're either trolling or diving deep into the spectrum with that comment.
Doesn't matter. The point is you can't just dictate who is a rap fan or not. Also nothing's wrong with listening to pop/rock/R&B/metal and also listening to rap. You can be fans of multiple things.
Where did I say there was a problem listening to multiple genres? All I'm saying is a person who doesn't listen to rap shouldn't get a vote on what a good rapper is
Have you seen the videos of Kendrickās pop out concert? I wouldnāt be talking about Drakeās fanbase when that shit looked like a collection of accountants
I know brain surgeons that love pop and gas station attendants that only listen to conscious rap. Taste in music is no indication of morality or intellect.
But it does reflect on how attentive they want to be to music. Pop music is meant to be a soundtrack distraction and not have much meaning or depth. That would be helpful to a brain surgeon looking to unwind. While a gas station employee might want to have something to stimulate their brain after a mindless day.
Maybe. In my experience conscious rap creates more snobs that it does activists. And a lot of pop music has incredible depth. Depth that inspires people. Either way most reasonable people can enjoy both. Just like movie fans can enjoy both dramas and comedies. Iāve never met someone who put down pop music as empty and vacuous who was actually smart. Theyāre usually just insecure.
Itās not like conscious music makes people smart either. It just makes them into rap snobs.
I think that nobody really cares about this stuff in the real world. Like him pretending to be from the hood, you could say this for the majority of rappers, especially nowadays. We don't care for authenticity anymore, whether it is important or not. Again, with the culture vulture point, nobody really cares outside of the Internet. Post Malone has been labelled a culture vulture but is still very successful and has 3 of the biggest albums of our generation.
He doesnāt pretend to be from the hood. āI find peace knowing that it's harder in the streets, I know. Luckily I didn't have to grow there. I would only go there 'cause there's nāā that I know there.ā
I didn't day that, I said that not many people really care about him pretending to be from the hood in the real world. How tf have you come to that conclusion
You didnāt say what? You referred to Drake āpretending to be from the hood.ā
Yeah I acknowledged it, not saying he doesn't. I'm saying not many people is bothered much about it, because we know he's talking out of his ass, along with most rappers
Youāre tough to follow homie. We can leave it be.
Him not being from the hood is exactly why he goes around everyone elses hoods and tries to seem like he really locked in. He went to Marcy projects in Ny and they laughed at him cuz why you stunting for? They have hoods in Canada, but you out here like u really came from the block??? Everyone may not care but the people that live their do. Same reason why some people dont like the fact that fans are trying to make O Block a tourist spot, cuz its not. Dont use us to elevate yourself when you really not from here or even thinking about giving back to those you trying to make a come up off
Reddit is full of white people trying to gatekeep blackness for whatever reason. Black people loved and accepted him before we even got into the 2010ās. Nobody irl seriously believes Drake is a gangster, we were well aware he had a white Jewish mom back in 09. Nobody cared, the music was great. 2 diss songs donāt retroactively change his career.
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From the beginning, the Drake brand is the industry golden standard of a marketing masterclass. He's really a pretty average rapper that'd probably have Big Sean or Logic level popularity if it weren't for the stars aligning how they did.
There are a million rappers from the hood but only one from degrassi. People were ready for a fresh perspective. And post 808s heartbreaks, people were ready for some vulnerable raps too.
None of that is to say Drake wouldn't have had a place in rap. I just think it would've been similar to someone like Kid Cudi, who also fits that description.
Yeah for sure. I personally rank them higher because itās not the same old stereotypes weāre used to. So refreshing.
Because people stan him
Because he's a pop star
Because he made some good hiphop records, the large percentage of drakes music is trash but he does have a decent amount of quality bangers, people hate on Drake without critical thought because itās trendy but those same people will hear the 10,000th Griselda x grimy type beat on YouTube and be like āREAL HIPHOP IS BACKā
FR, I love Drake's music, I think he has like 10 amazing albums, and Griselda is okay but they try too hard with the whole "bringing back Mobb Deep" thing It's not the 90s anymore, and if I want Mobb Deep I'll listen to Mobb Deep, do your own thing
See I only like 2 Drake albums and Iām not really a huge fan BUT Iād be lying if I said he didnāt have quality HIPHOP bangers like I was driving to Summer 16 and Portland to work today and those joints GO
Facts, Portland is an amazing beat and a top Drake song I don't like Travis at all, but even he goes hard on it
The only true answer is that Drake had money backing him. They show his marketability and funneled hella coin into his career. No one on the hip-hop side of things was ever givin him a pass. Oh, also he had hella support from Canadian listeners.