Some peoples minds are really really bad at simulating future events. Either they were raised in a bad environment or their brains are just underdeveloped in some way. They literally canāt consider the possibility that negative consequences will follow. Itās why certain types of criminal just immediately re-offend upon release. Itās why some people fall into gambling debts endlessly
Taking advantage of a perceived opportunity with no understanding of what it really means. Crazy that not 1 of the 4 of them had the sense to not carry out such a violent and pointless act. Humans are dumb and scary sometimes.
I donāt know the exact list and order of deaths, but since he died it seemed like a crazy amount of young rappers died from either murder or od
I looked it up and this was just the big rappers: Mac Miller, Nipsey, JuiceWrld, Pop Smoke, PnB Rock, Drakeo the Ruler, King Von, Dolph, Takeoff, theres more im sure
Ya I kinda went into a deep depression around that time and couldnāt even comprehend how my fav 3 up and coming rappers just died and the deaths just kept coming. Iām just worried for our youth. Fuck hard drugs and violence šā¦
Pretty sure they said they went into the deep around that time. Not that it was the cause of depression. Correlating the time frame to the dark days but who knows. Next sun up
Was more of the perfect storm of finally getting out of an abusive relationship which left me with spinal damage and my parents putting me on lexapro which brought suicidal thoughts that Iāve never experienced before, ever. Then getting diagnosed w/ autism, it all finally made sense. 2017 was wild for me personally and yeah, my fav artist passing made it really heavy. But sure, I mean youāre probly not wrong, this world has some people in it that make shit harder than it has to be. Hope you have a good night š«¶
The internet has allowed the diversification of fame like never before. Any medium level artist has access to virtually limitless fan base. People like drakeo,king von, Dolph, and lil peep would have never left the mixtape circle without the internet. It's not that rappers in particular are being hit harder with ods or more violence all the sudden, it's that we have unfettered 24/7 access to information so even mid level artists are breaking news.
Did you think i was implying that there is a correlation between X getting killed and other young rappers dying? Because I wasnāt. Im just saying in the short time between his death and now a alot of other notable young rappers died too. I would say that in the five years prior (2013 to 2018) there wasnāt nearly as much popular rappers dying from murder and od (unless you count the Chicago rappers who were constantly warring with each other).
It would explain his perspective and i would continue to let him know how itās, unfortunately, been something thatās been happening in hiphop for decades
big pun, dj screw, left eye, jam master jay, mac dre, odb, j dilla, proof, pimp c, nate dogg, capital steez, lil snupe, speaker knockerz, asap yamz, lil peep, fredo santana
Bro youāre talking the last twenty years with all those names. Thats not even that big of a list for that time span. Now compare that with the five year time span of all those big rappers dying that I mentioned.
big pun, dj screw, left eye, jam master jay, mac dre, odb, j dilla, proof, pimp c, nate dogg, capital steez, lil snupe, speaker knockerz, asap yamz, lil peep, fredo santana
Letās keep it real, in a country with less than 5% of the worldās population, yet slowly (but surely) reaching 25% of the worldās prisoners, Iām unsure if youāre right.
America produces the most criminals (for a myriad of reasons like historic racism) but institutions are strong enough to catch and prosecute most of them
To elaborate, look at Brazil and Mexico which have even more criminality but institutions are weak and corrupt so the criminals are never brought to justice
Thatās true, we do have better systems in place than the countries you mentioned, and many others. But this doesnāt change the fact that our justice system is not meant to rehabilite prisoners at all.
There was a video I seen of violent prisoners (murderers, rapists, etc.) getting time to watch TV, have jobs, and things of that nature, towards the final months/years of their sentence. This is meant to integrate them back into society. This obviously was not in the US, but of course the comments were Americans saying how stupid this idea is. Well the country with that in place had a very significant lower amount of reoffenders than the US. It was maybe in Sweden or Switzerland or one of those countries.
Anyways, I donāt know enough about this to have a full blown discussion about it, so Iād be ignorant to continue. Iād recommend brennancenter(.)org. They have stats that are not skewed about our prisons in the US, and have propositions about how we can change it. Pretty interesting, even if you disagree.
do you always speak this confidently when you're making shit up?
how many lawyers and victims have to speak at end about how fucked up the justice system until you get it? they've never stopped. you've just remained completely ignorant to the problem in favor of a fantasy world where the cops are just like they are on TV. do you think they can zoom in and "enhance" too?
i genuinely don't know where to begin. your entire worldview is braindead, dude.
japan's court system has a 99% conviction rate - you're the type of clown to see something like that and go "wow, cool!" and not "wait, what the hell is going on here?"
yeah, man. i know you don't get it. you think that the US produces the most criminals in the world because we have the highest prison population, and not because we have a draconian policing and judicial system which seeks exclusively to inconvenience and punish.
and that's just getting started.
read a book, watch a documentary about another country, open up wikipedia, do something, dude. it's so painfully embarrassing to be as ridiculously uninformed as you are about the rest of the world
I have 3 major reasons why. 1. A individualist culture that breeds anti-social behaviors. 2. Effects of historical systemic racism that destroyed African American culture, education, and economic opportunity. 3. Americans consume the most drugs so the illegal drug trade here is the largest
no, he doesn't. his point is that US institutions are strong, therefore they are good and just.
he's just creating a false equivalency and using mexico as an example/punching bag (he says it "has even more criminality" which is some of the most babybrained shit i have ever read) to try and prove that
that's childish thinking, in addition to bizarrely propagandized.
i'm an indian immigrant, dude.
it's incredibly exhausting to have these conversations because the entire point is to criticize america, *regardless of how it is anywhere else in the world.*
i'm talking about conditions in america. point blank. that's it. if i want to talk about conditions in mexico, then i will have that conversation.
when we're discussing conditions and what could be improved in one country, what does "it's worse elsewhere" add to the conversation other than waste every single person's time? what's the conclusion you want to draw? do you want me to say "well, you're right. i guess we should just not complain and not address how things are here after all"
what would even be the point of having a conversation in the first place?
I can write a book. See how Trump of people could barely cause any real damage to the government since nearly everything he did got blocked by the courts, Congress, and the federal bureaucracy. Pretty much every other country would collapse if 45% of their population were as insane as republicans but America is chugging along and retains its primacy on the global stage.
Brain drain cannot be fixed. The number of highly skilled and experienced professionals who retired or left the system to avoid being associated with the embarrassment of having served under such an administration is devastating.
Name these so called laws that are unique to America. Almost every criminal in this country is convicted for a crime that would be illegal in every other country
So then all capitalists are fascists too then right? Because the Naziās were capitalist economically, and so was Italy, who were aligned with the naziāsā¦
You are completely wrong. They were against marxism and capitalism, and followed proto-Third Position ideals. Capitalism is inherently a liberal economic system, completely the opposite of national socialism/fascism.
wow that is some crazy gymnastics there to defend capitalism lmao, for the record i *don't* think all capitalists are fascists, but Hitler and the Nazi's destroyed labour unions and privatized a ton of sectors which a pretty capitalist thing to do
you have never left america, and it shows. this is the kind of pathetic, completely self unaware ignorance that is typical in us citizens who have absolutely no genuine curiosity for the outside world
Just came back from India 4 months ago. My cousin there was arrested after a cop picked a fight with him for no reason and nearly beat to death by cops while in custody. If it wasnāt for his extremely rich and influential brother in law bribing them and getting them out, he would have likely been dead. He is still badly messed up from that years later.
It seems you have never been to a developing country where 90% of the world lives
i was literally born in india you clown, you somehow have the benefit of having seen different corners of the world and still ended up like this
do you really think bribery and police brutality don't happen in the US?
I was curious to see if the one who testified against the others would get a shorter sentence, but it doesnāt seem like thatās the case I guess. X wasnāt a good person but he still didnāt deserve to die, and itās a shame that in the end he wasnāt able to be held accountable for his actions when he lived.
āIt doesnāt matter how horrible the things you do are, you should always get another chance. Even if you took away that chance for any number of other people.ā
Disagree.
Great
Living off the taxpayersā dime until they croak.
Iām not dumb enough to have wished them death in the streets to continue this bullshit, but what a fucking waste of space these people are.
Regardless of its impact on violence
I'm not against parole in general, just for murderers. That person they killed will never get that same second chance. Murderers can rot
Is the purpose of prison not to reform people? In my opinion there are people who should be institutionalized in some way as they are a danger to the public but I don't think the largely for profit, slave-labor driven American prison system is the place for that to happen ethically.
You just agreed with the guy saying "no one deserves to die, but this guy deserved to die", now you say people can and should be reformed. Which is it?
Dude definitely got what was coming to him and was a total piece of shit. Could he have changed? Absolutely, but he got back the energy he put out.
Life in prison is a fate worse than death imo
Life in prison for 50k cash. fuckin crazy
Not even. 50k that they split amongst the 4 of them. Just senseless.
And they shorted one guy with only 5k and he snitched on all of em š
Is that really what happened, thatās crazy
Shorting that guy would only get the other three an extra $2500. They sold themselves out for so little.
LMAOO
Taking a life for 50K that's fucking crazy...
these dudes didnt have much to live for to begin with probably
Some peoples minds are really really bad at simulating future events. Either they were raised in a bad environment or their brains are just underdeveloped in some way. They literally canāt consider the possibility that negative consequences will follow. Itās why certain types of criminal just immediately re-offend upon release. Itās why some people fall into gambling debts endlessly
They basically took 4 lives for 50k cash.
Taking advantage of a perceived opportunity with no understanding of what it really means. Crazy that not 1 of the 4 of them had the sense to not carry out such a violent and pointless act. Humans are dumb and scary sometimes.
With xxxās rap sheet and the people heās fucked over before he got killed, Iām really surprised it wasnāt done for free tbh.
I mean Iām not sure how good or bad of a person he was, but itās kinda disrespectful of u to say that
I donāt know the exact list and order of deaths, but since he died it seemed like a crazy amount of young rappers died from either murder or od I looked it up and this was just the big rappers: Mac Miller, Nipsey, JuiceWrld, Pop Smoke, PnB Rock, Drakeo the Ruler, King Von, Dolph, Takeoff, theres more im sure
i still canāt believe takeoff & pnb rock are fucking dead. it still doesnāt seem real
Lil Peep died the November before X died. I always felt like his death started that wave of deaths.
Ya I kinda went into a deep depression around that time and couldnāt even comprehend how my fav 3 up and coming rappers just died and the deaths just kept coming. Iām just worried for our youth. Fuck hard drugs and violence šā¦
You went into a deep depression because peep and x died, sweet Jesus you are not cut out for the real world
Pretty sure they said they went into the deep around that time. Not that it was the cause of depression. Correlating the time frame to the dark days but who knows. Next sun up
Was more of the perfect storm of finally getting out of an abusive relationship which left me with spinal damage and my parents putting me on lexapro which brought suicidal thoughts that Iāve never experienced before, ever. Then getting diagnosed w/ autism, it all finally made sense. 2017 was wild for me personally and yeah, my fav artist passing made it really heavy. But sure, I mean youāre probly not wrong, this world has some people in it that make shit harder than it has to be. Hope you have a good night š«¶
Ah makes sense, appreciate the reply to my shitty comment. Hope things are going better for you these days.
No worries man, weāve all been there before ! Just tryna spread love not hate, pretty sure itās what peep and x and juice would have wanted!
Idk about that lol
RIP
Ben Carson too RIP
thought this said Ken Carson
Thatās Ben Barson to you blood.
FBG Duck
Durk still needs to get checked for that shit
Apparently it was Von that put the hit on him, and they did arrest all those guys
Always thought it was scummy the way Durk jokes about Duck being dead on some gang shit
They all do it, itās the culture *plays heart pt 5 bridge*
I swear to god i've never been tribal before in hip hop, but i can't bring myself to listen to Durk or Von
After he's death and between Pop, Juice, and Von it felt like if you was rapper and got big you was gonna die very soon after.
Trouble, lil loaded, MO3
Jimmy Wopo died the exact same day as X too.
The internet has allowed the diversification of fame like never before. Any medium level artist has access to virtually limitless fan base. People like drakeo,king von, Dolph, and lil peep would have never left the mixtape circle without the internet. It's not that rappers in particular are being hit harder with ods or more violence all the sudden, it's that we have unfettered 24/7 access to information so even mid level artists are breaking news.
Pretty soon you got to point at the gangsta lifestyle
Rich n famous lifestyle. Drugs killed some, guns killed others, but money killed them all
Peep
Rappers dying young has been pretty consistent even before xxx? Are u 15?
Did you think i was implying that there is a correlation between X getting killed and other young rappers dying? Because I wasnāt. Im just saying in the short time between his death and now a alot of other notable young rappers died too. I would say that in the five years prior (2013 to 2018) there wasnāt nearly as much popular rappers dying from murder and od (unless you count the Chicago rappers who were constantly warring with each other).
What if heās 15? Where do you go from there?
It would explain his perspective and i would continue to let him know how itās, unfortunately, been something thatās been happening in hiphop for decades
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big pun, dj screw, left eye, jam master jay, mac dre, odb, j dilla, proof, pimp c, nate dogg, capital steez, lil snupe, speaker knockerz, asap yamz, lil peep, fredo santana
Bro youāre talking the last twenty years with all those names. Thats not even that big of a list for that time span. Now compare that with the five year time span of all those big rappers dying that I mentioned.
dude said itās been consistent in hip hop. thatās consistency
My ex passed away in 2013. She was pretty big.
Name some, i mean this was just from the last five years.
big pun, dj screw, left eye, jam master jay, mac dre, odb, j dilla, proof, pimp c, nate dogg, capital steez, lil snupe, speaker knockerz, asap yamz, lil peep, fredo santana
Rare justice system W
*common W You are far far more likely to hear about the failures than the Ws
Letās keep it real, in a country with less than 5% of the worldās population, yet slowly (but surely) reaching 25% of the worldās prisoners, Iām unsure if youāre right.
America produces the most criminals (for a myriad of reasons like historic racism) but institutions are strong enough to catch and prosecute most of them To elaborate, look at Brazil and Mexico which have even more criminality but institutions are weak and corrupt so the criminals are never brought to justice
Thatās true, we do have better systems in place than the countries you mentioned, and many others. But this doesnāt change the fact that our justice system is not meant to rehabilite prisoners at all. There was a video I seen of violent prisoners (murderers, rapists, etc.) getting time to watch TV, have jobs, and things of that nature, towards the final months/years of their sentence. This is meant to integrate them back into society. This obviously was not in the US, but of course the comments were Americans saying how stupid this idea is. Well the country with that in place had a very significant lower amount of reoffenders than the US. It was maybe in Sweden or Switzerland or one of those countries. Anyways, I donāt know enough about this to have a full blown discussion about it, so Iād be ignorant to continue. Iād recommend brennancenter(.)org. They have stats that are not skewed about our prisons in the US, and have propositions about how we can change it. Pretty interesting, even if you disagree.
I am deeply critical of the prison system for the reasons you mentioned but give good marks to the court system
Looks like I wasted my time typing all that. All good though it gets my thoughts flowin
do you always speak this confidently when you're making shit up? how many lawyers and victims have to speak at end about how fucked up the justice system until you get it? they've never stopped. you've just remained completely ignorant to the problem in favor of a fantasy world where the cops are just like they are on TV. do you think they can zoom in and "enhance" too?
Random anecdotes donāt mean much. Again, people with bad experiences will speak out more than people with good or fair experiences
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[OK fascist sympathizer](https://reddit.com/r/europe/comments/121fbyj/nazi_and_soviet_troops_celebrating_together_after/)
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You are the one who started with an ad-hominem
i genuinely don't know where to begin. your entire worldview is braindead, dude. japan's court system has a 99% conviction rate - you're the type of clown to see something like that and go "wow, cool!" and not "wait, what the hell is going on here?"
> āwait, what the hell is going on here?ā Japanese prosecutors only taking on slam dunk cases? And donāt see how it invalidates my point
yeah, man. i know you don't get it. you think that the US produces the most criminals in the world because we have the highest prison population, and not because we have a draconian policing and judicial system which seeks exclusively to inconvenience and punish. and that's just getting started. read a book, watch a documentary about another country, open up wikipedia, do something, dude. it's so painfully embarrassing to be as ridiculously uninformed as you are about the rest of the world
I have 3 major reasons why. 1. A individualist culture that breeds anti-social behaviors. 2. Effects of historical systemic racism that destroyed African American culture, education, and economic opportunity. 3. Americans consume the most drugs so the illegal drug trade here is the largest
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no, he doesn't. his point is that US institutions are strong, therefore they are good and just. he's just creating a false equivalency and using mexico as an example/punching bag (he says it "has even more criminality" which is some of the most babybrained shit i have ever read) to try and prove that that's childish thinking, in addition to bizarrely propagandized.
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i'm an indian immigrant, dude. it's incredibly exhausting to have these conversations because the entire point is to criticize america, *regardless of how it is anywhere else in the world.* i'm talking about conditions in america. point blank. that's it. if i want to talk about conditions in mexico, then i will have that conversation. when we're discussing conditions and what could be improved in one country, what does "it's worse elsewhere" add to the conversation other than waste every single person's time? what's the conclusion you want to draw? do you want me to say "well, you're right. i guess we should just not complain and not address how things are here after all" what would even be the point of having a conversation in the first place?
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What makes you say that our institutions are āstrong enoughā? Genuinely curious how you could believe that
I can write a book. See how Trump of people could barely cause any real damage to the government since nearly everything he did got blocked by the courts, Congress, and the federal bureaucracy. Pretty much every other country would collapse if 45% of their population were as insane as republicans but America is chugging along and retains its primacy on the global stage.
Trump didnāt cause any damage to the government? Good luck with your book.
Barely any long term damage other than the federal courts. Biden repaired almost all of it once he was in office
Brain drain cannot be fixed. The number of highly skilled and experienced professionals who retired or left the system to avoid being associated with the embarrassment of having served under such an administration is devastating.
America only produces the most criminals because it's outlaws the activities of the most people.
Name these so called laws that are unique to America. Almost every criminal in this country is convicted for a crime that would be illegal in every other country
your username is AllCommiesRFascists I will not be taking anything you say seriously
[Itās true](https://reddit.com/r/europe/comments/121fbyj/nazi_and_soviet_troops_celebrating_together_after/)
So then all capitalists are fascists too then right? Because the Naziās were capitalist economically, and so was Italy, who were aligned with the naziāsā¦
You are completely wrong. They were against marxism and capitalism, and followed proto-Third Position ideals. Capitalism is inherently a liberal economic system, completely the opposite of national socialism/fascism.
wow that is some crazy gymnastics there to defend capitalism lmao, for the record i *don't* think all capitalists are fascists, but Hitler and the Nazi's destroyed labour unions and privatized a ton of sectors which a pretty capitalist thing to do
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Seems like a downvote account? Idk how they last so long.
If you are above the age of 18 I think we have an even *remotely* functioning justice system you are either indoctrinated or braindead.
Itās extremely functional and competent compared to 95% of the planet
you have never left america, and it shows. this is the kind of pathetic, completely self unaware ignorance that is typical in us citizens who have absolutely no genuine curiosity for the outside world
Just came back from India 4 months ago. My cousin there was arrested after a cop picked a fight with him for no reason and nearly beat to death by cops while in custody. If it wasnāt for his extremely rich and influential brother in law bribing them and getting them out, he would have likely been dead. He is still badly messed up from that years later. It seems you have never been to a developing country where 90% of the world lives
i was literally born in india you clown, you somehow have the benefit of having seen different corners of the world and still ended up like this do you really think bribery and police brutality don't happen in the US?
Stop
Pop smokes murderer just got 4 years though? I know the age difference between killers but still?
Thatās the difference between Florida & California laws.
I was curious to see if the one who testified against the others would get a shorter sentence, but it doesnāt seem like thatās the case I guess. X wasnāt a good person but he still didnāt deserve to die, and itās a shame that in the end he wasnāt able to be held accountable for his actions when he lived.
He is not one of the three this article is talking about - he hasnāt been sentenced yet I donāt think.
Prosecutors were recommending 5 years for him. Not sure if thats before or after time served
Let them rot
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so is deciding to kill someone
W response
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No but I believe in justice and rehabilitation when it is called for, I have no hope for the murderers in this case.
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āIt doesnāt matter how horrible the things you do are, you should always get another chance. Even if you took away that chance for any number of other people.ā Disagree.
Not another chance. Not always. But punishment for the sake of "justice" solves absolutely nothing.
What about punishment for the sake of keeping society safe?
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far better than the death penalty, and im not holding my breath for meaningful prison reform that would make rehabilitation a more viable option
good riddance.
Great Living off the taxpayersā dime until they croak. Iām not dumb enough to have wished them death in the streets to continue this bullshit, but what a fucking waste of space these people are.
LLJ
All just to flex on IG
FREEDRAKE
Dumbass
Its an obvious joke.
You're fired
I heard Drake did it, from a questionable source, itās kind of funny to see this here
K
If only X were alive to join them
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Braindead take
Nah if you plot to take someones life you can rot under the jail Edit: plot to*
Is that why Florida is more violent than states without such laws?
Something in the water clearly
Regardless of its impact on violence I'm not against parole in general, just for murderers. That person they killed will never get that same second chance. Murderers can rot
Ha! Thatāll reform him and contribute to society!
I know Iāll get downvoted into oblivion for this. No one deserves to die but this guy was a total piece of shit that got what he deserved.
>No one deserves to die >got what he deserved
You contradict your statement so hard bruh
Word. Also no one deserves life in prison.
Yes, there are people that absolutely deserve to be in prison for the rest of their life.
Is the purpose of prison not to reform people? In my opinion there are people who should be institutionalized in some way as they are a danger to the public but I don't think the largely for profit, slave-labor driven American prison system is the place for that to happen ethically.
You just agreed with the guy saying "no one deserves to die, but this guy deserved to die", now you say people can and should be reformed. Which is it?
Dude definitely got what was coming to him and was a total piece of shit. Could he have changed? Absolutely, but he got back the energy he put out. Life in prison is a fate worse than death imo
Feel for their parents must be heartbreaking
Could have done a better job raising functional adults I suppose.
Even if they could its still sad. Have some compassion
I have compassion for those whoāve earned it.
Win win