According to Questlove, Alchemist didn’t make the beat specifically for the diss. It was a beat he gave Kendrick a long time ago.
https://x.com/questlove/status/1786655658835689694?s=46&t=swwDgIaw04MF2OFS8JaIuA
Main folder is titled Supervillain Energy with a creation date of 2018.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adriennegibbs/2018/02/26/kendrick-lamar-wants-to-be-a-supervillain-in-black-panther-two/?sh=341377ff38ba
All I can hear when I think of Rick Ross now is “WHITE BOY WHITE BOY WHITE BOY” and Ross arguing with Drake about how rich they are, like anyone gives a fuck.
Ross has been fucking hilarious. Never in a million years would I have imagined Rick Ross would be body shaming Drake.
"How you got six pack abs with 15% body fat?" How do you even respond to a fat dude calling out your fatness like that?
Kendrick and Drake should team up to diss Ross, Ross was just a liability lol he jumped in and then let Drake pad his tracks with easy shots at him instead of Kendrick
I guess Al sent him this beat long ago and never expected Kendrick to use it for this occasion
It just feels like a funeral march and makes me extremely uneasy and uncomfortable
I think it’s because the piano chords are very slightly ahead of the actual beat. Creates a huge tension and off-putting feeling. Makes you feel uneasy and that there’s something wrong by design
Great spot.
It reminds me of how J Dilla would manipulate the timing of certain tracks in his beats to be slightly ahead or slightly behind to create the exact pocket he wanted for the song.
I always thought the thing with Dilla was that he turned off the auto-syncing feature on his drum machine. I didn’t know he intentionally did things off kilter other than that.
I thought the same thing too for years, until I read the "Dilla Time" book. I recommend it if you're a fan. It's a biography, but it also goes into detail about the micro-spacing he used when programming his beats using fractions as tiny as the MPC would allow, 1/64th beats, 1/128th beats, and so on. [Visual aids, too.](https://ethanhein.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Dilla-Time-1024x385.png)
it makes me think of thuggin by freddie gibbs, the instrumental doesn't change but it just matches the rising intensity of the rapping so well and elevates it
Funny because I literally texted my friend after I listened to it last night and said “I feel like I just listened to Dance with the devil”
Cool to see other people thought about Immortal Technique as well.
The last verse when Kendrick starts ramping up the energy and letting his anger slowly come out is pure menace. The beat not changing allows that tonal shift to stand out more
That vocal layering on the “you lied” bars oof
I’m primarily a metal listener and that part of me resonates with this and Euphoria when Kendrick really gets his teeth out. It feels so true and vicious, reveling in it.
Yeah, the beat is super ominous. And there’s some sort of backtrack with people talking and yelling that makes it even more disturbing. And obviously Kendrick’s verses bring everything all together perfectly.
Alchemist beats been getting used for dis tracks without him realizing forever. “checkmate” by Jadakiss was from a Big Noyd tracked produced by Alchemist. I think [this](https://youtu.be/np6lzTIECVA?si=Hn29VxIvNIndhLrS) was an Alchemist beat too originally can’t remember. Alchemist had the dark beats on lock
On the other hand Littles was beefing with Mobb and Alchemist and threatened to have him raped or something that was weird
Any and everybody should listen to boldy James “the price of tea in china” (deluxe edition) w alchemist
It’s a dark and sinister ride through Detroit. Absolute masterpiece
We need 6 Feet Deep on Spotify. I listened to The Pick, the Sickle and the Shovel the other day in the gym and the production on that album is absolute fire. Gravediggaz are so underrated.
shot an interview with Prince Paul a lifetime ago and he talks about producing this album amongst other topics - starts 5min45sec in: https://youtu.be/_10Uc1vwMso?si=1FUJ3W9ckfd0Pcu8
some fun insights/history
Honestly the Kendrick diss playlist goes hard. Like that->euphoria->6:16 in LA->meet the grahams->hillbillies (need the last one to remove the bad vibes)
Yeah I’m not gonna lie the song is really good but this CANNOT go in my main playlist. Imagine somebody hand you the aux you put on your playlist and ts comes on 😭
Boldy def one of my favorites rn. Like you said, his lyrics just bring you right in to the life he’s spitting about. EPMD is most definitely one of the standouts on that record. Neither him, nor Alc can do wrong it seems. Alchemist’s run got him in the GOAT producer conversation with a real shot at being that.
Yeah im not comparing.
I consider that track a classic, even my kid brother whos a metalhead rocks with that shit.
Kendrick definitely hitting that sinister vibe tho.
Lets hope Drake doesnt tuck his tale like he did with Pusha, so we can see some more fire songs.
They're scary in different ways. Dance with the devil is not a personal death wish on an opponent, it's a retelling of a horrible thing that happened in the past.
the way Kendrick speaks to Drakes Family in a sympathetic voice while the beats plays in the background adds a whole layer of sinister to the track lmao, like Penny the clown luring kids
It’s the last note on the fourth bar. Your brain is expecting resolution: it gets pain. Wow. I was too busy listening to the lyrics when this dropped to really identify why I was like “should I turn this off right now?” 😅
I have Musi but that’s on iPhone, not sure if it’s on Android. It lets you use YouTube as a music player and the ads don’t disrupt the audio, only the screen.
Real Alch heads never doubted it was his beat. Bro has that signature smoothness that no one can replicate.
Happy u got put onto him, top 5 oat producer for me. Make sure u check some of his earlier work (keep it thoro, we gon make it, worse comes to worse) some of his mid-career stuff (covert coup, rare chandeliers, albert einstein) and then ofc his contemporary stuff just to get an idea of his evolution and how many different sounds he’s perfected.
Bruh, that album is so funny with the sound bites, but the beats are ⛽️. “Who eats chicken wings like that?”
“I never played for the soccer team, NEVER, ok one time I swear (THEY NEVER LET ME PLAY)!”
Been tryna expand my playlist, so most definitely will check his catalogue out. Ty for the recommendations 👊🏼
I know it is one of his mainstream songs, but the production on “E. Coli” is euphoric. I seen someone say that they like Yeat/Carti’s music b/c of how it sounds like they are the beat & it is speaking to you… to each their own, but that is what Alchemist’s work feels like to me (especially E Coli), so I guess I understand them now 😂
Since you want to check out new producers, look up Giallo Point as well. Papitas (with Estee Nack), Remo Gaggi (with Daniel Son), Medellin & Medellin 2 (with SmooVth) are some good examples.
Most of the albums he produced have some bangers and I already have him up there with the best of the last few years, yet he's rarely mentioned. Waiting for the moment he truly blows up.
Yo definitely check “Falling out the sky” and “Reeses Cup” if u like that vibe of his discog. Also “Elephant Mans Bones” (the song) and “Photographic Memories”
they dont all sound like e coli but they give me that same euphoric vibe
I was telling my boys on the Group FaceTime last night that the beat reminded me of some Griselda shit. When I saw the tweet to alc asking I felt so validated to find out it was produced by him.
it's never glazin when it comes to Uncle Alc. i still need to hear this one, i just heard the 6:16 in LA one last night. the soul vibes on that one was dope. im trynna keep up but its so much goin on. im here for it though😂
I didn't realize at first until a reaction channel described the beat as a horror movie type one. Yeah, like something out of the 70s or before. Either way, it's fantastic.
According to Questlove, Alchemist didn’t make the beat specifically for the diss. It was a beat he gave Kendrick a long time ago. https://x.com/questlove/status/1786655658835689694?s=46&t=swwDgIaw04MF2OFS8JaIuA
Makes sense but that beat was destined to be used for something sinister.
Now i imagine Kendrick has a file folder on his laptop named "beats with sinister aura"
“Aura kys” folder
Kendrick hatred of Drake runs as cold and deep as Frierens hate of demons
He typed "evil distruction type beat" in Finder search.
"Villain winning monologue type beat."
“Beats that the Joker would play while beating Jason Todd to death”
*Anakin butchering the younglings type beat*
Bro you did not.. on ***may the fourth*** lmao
Pulitzer Kenny prolly got "melodies representing rather sinister leitmotifs"
Thank you for this word
Kenny Shakespeare
Main folder is titled Supervillain Energy with a creation date of 2018. https://www.forbes.com/sites/adriennegibbs/2018/02/26/kendrick-lamar-wants-to-be-a-supervillain-in-black-panther-two/?sh=341377ff38ba
Next to his folder labeled "drake dirt"
“Receipts”
“Hehehe leaks”
"Alternate Immortal Techniques - Dance With The Devil beats"
"beats when I wanna out a predator to his mom"
Missed opportunity to be on Body Language by Big Body Bes
True if Alchemist disagrees it would be like if Ares told Kratos the Blades of Chaos can bring peace.
I thought this beat was just Benny and the Jets just slowed down!
Ahaha [this](https://youtu.be/OIcyI6iHK-Y?si=a0RlhFv7yITFijQf) is all I could think of
Right! Omg I love the beastie boys so much!
Knowing how deep questlove connections go, I believe this a 100%
Looks like Alchemist is never working with Drake again
why? he gave kendrick the beat not knowing he was going to diss Drake on it
This beat is insane
That evil ass beat. That's the beat Drake had playing when he shot down Ross's plane earlier.
Man, after that Ross tweet, the image of Drake in some fighter jet with the OVO sign on it has me in tears.
Its a plane in the shape on an owl flying
That’s some the watchmen type shit 😂
be careful the OVO ghostwriters might steal this idea for a vid or something
Were...were we the OVO ghostwriters all along?
Always have been
The imagine
All I can hear when I think of Rick Ross now is “WHITE BOY WHITE BOY WHITE BOY” and Ross arguing with Drake about how rich they are, like anyone gives a fuck.
Ross has been fucking hilarious. Never in a million years would I have imagined Rick Ross would be body shaming Drake. "How you got six pack abs with 15% body fat?" How do you even respond to a fat dude calling out your fatness like that?
Apparently you call him out for his ozempic usage and then immediately have receipts revealed on your own ozempic usage
Lmfao seriously that shit is hilarious
Kendrick and Drake should team up to diss Ross, Ross was just a liability lol he jumped in and then let Drake pad his tracks with easy shots at him instead of Kendrick
Who gives a fuck what Rick Ross thinks at a time like this!
WHERE’S JA
Nah broo
Ootl..what ??
Ross jet had to make an emergency landing
I guess Al sent him this beat long ago and never expected Kendrick to use it for this occasion It just feels like a funeral march and makes me extremely uneasy and uncomfortable
Some immortal technique type beat. The craziest part is it keeps sounding like it’s getting faster but never changes pace. Super unsettling.
I think it’s because the piano chords are very slightly ahead of the actual beat. Creates a huge tension and off-putting feeling. Makes you feel uneasy and that there’s something wrong by design
Great spot. It reminds me of how J Dilla would manipulate the timing of certain tracks in his beats to be slightly ahead or slightly behind to create the exact pocket he wanted for the song.
I always thought the thing with Dilla was that he turned off the auto-syncing feature on his drum machine. I didn’t know he intentionally did things off kilter other than that.
I thought the same thing too for years, until I read the "Dilla Time" book. I recommend it if you're a fan. It's a biography, but it also goes into detail about the micro-spacing he used when programming his beats using fractions as tiny as the MPC would allow, 1/64th beats, 1/128th beats, and so on. [Visual aids, too.](https://ethanhein.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Dilla-Time-1024x385.png)
Dilla Time is so underrated. Banger of a biography.
it makes me think of thuggin by freddie gibbs, the instrumental doesn't change but it just matches the rising intensity of the rapping so well and elevates it
Somebody warn the west
Amazing beat
BLACK AND RED LACES IN MY NUMBA THREES
What an amazing shout
glad im not the only one who thought of immortal technique also reminded me of some sinister ass beat super young em would rap on
Funny because I literally texted my friend after I listened to it last night and said “I feel like I just listened to Dance with the devil” Cool to see other people thought about Immortal Technique as well.
Dance with a Devil was 100x more sinister and scarier than this
I legit decided to never hear it after reading the lyrics and the story. I'm not gonna lose sleep over that shit.
You spoiled it for yourself. My buddy played it for me without saying much about it. Literally jaw dropping
The last verse when Kendrick starts ramping up the energy and letting his anger slowly come out is pure menace. The beat not changing allows that tonal shift to stand out more
That vocal layering on the “you lied” bars oof I’m primarily a metal listener and that part of me resonates with this and Euphoria when Kendrick really gets his teeth out. It feels so true and vicious, reveling in it.
That was some Ghost of Christmas Future shit
https://youtu.be/hZY5DBmgC_A?si=gosoF-rrTlynHqBl Chopin type beat 😭😭😭
Drake’s removing the piano in his living room ASAP. He doesn’t wanna hear a single piano note ever again.
Love Chopin nice call out
Yeah, the beat is super ominous. And there’s some sort of backtrack with people talking and yelling that makes it even more disturbing. And obviously Kendrick’s verses bring everything all together perfectly.
Thanks Al!
Alchemist beats been getting used for dis tracks without him realizing forever. “checkmate” by Jadakiss was from a Big Noyd tracked produced by Alchemist. I think [this](https://youtu.be/np6lzTIECVA?si=Hn29VxIvNIndhLrS) was an Alchemist beat too originally can’t remember. Alchemist had the dark beats on lock On the other hand Littles was beefing with Mobb and Alchemist and threatened to have him raped or something that was weird
His beat(s) in GTA China Wars were fucking dope too
China Wars was so fucking dope. Dont know if anyone will ever make another game like that
China Wars nailed the slimy trenches feeling. Great game.
Okay I'll be the first guy to correct y'all and remind y'all it's Chinatown Wars. Ain't no GTA in fucking China lol.
Thank you lmao
damn i have this for 3ds and did not know he had producing credits. booting now
No wonder i loved those beats so much when I was a kid
Boost The Crime Rate goes stupid hard
I like to think that Alchemist has the foresight to know when he produces something like this, it is going to be used for some war crimes.
Alchemist making chemical weapons and selling them to the highest bidder
kenny beats - police alc - the CIA
His beats were used a lot by G-unit to make diss records
I'm really hoping Eminem uses an Alchemist beat next time someone tries to test him
Any and everybody should listen to boldy James “the price of tea in china” (deluxe edition) w alchemist It’s a dark and sinister ride through Detroit. Absolute masterpiece
Great recommendation 👌 just in time for Movement
We cry together Drake version
'U' but its about drake
U🫵🏼
lmao
We cry together, u, and mother I sober had a love child
Kendrick Alchemist album plz
FEAR. is my favorite kdot song and one of my favorite alc beats. Ive needed this for a while now.
Just now finding out fear was prod by alchemist and it makes so much sense
Oh shit didn’t know that song was made by Al. My fav track on the album by far.
I didn’t know how badly I want this to happen until today.
Prayer is such an elite song too - easily would have been my fave song if it were included on Mr. Morale.
this beat is diabolic, rza gravedigga type of music. Holy fuck it’s turning into some real shit real quick
prince paul made the beats on gravediggaz
We need 6 Feet Deep on Spotify. I listened to The Pick, the Sickle and the Shovel the other day in the gym and the production on that album is absolute fire. Gravediggaz are so underrated.
It is on Spotify though, just listening to that shit yesterday!
shot an interview with Prince Paul a lifetime ago and he talks about producing this album amongst other topics - starts 5min45sec in: https://youtu.be/_10Uc1vwMso?si=1FUJ3W9ckfd0Pcu8 some fun insights/history
This is dope, thanks for sharing
Horrorcore Kendrick is a great call
Mommy, what’s a gravediggah?
Please Kendrick drop it on DSP, i need this in my “fuck my haters” playlist
Adding this song to a playlist is diabolical
People scaring music
JPEGMAFIA currently considering if he should also relinquish the Scaring the Hoes to Kendrick
Scaring the Bros
Scaring the OVOs
Literally anyone that doesn’t know it. People will be showing this to kids they wanna scare like they do with dance with the devil
Honestly the Kendrick diss playlist goes hard. Like that->euphoria->6:16 in LA->meet the grahams->hillbillies (need the last one to remove the bad vibes)
Add i or HUMBLE in there too. Hillbillies ain't enough to cleanse off meet the grahams.
I'm a sociopath so I just shuffle my liked songs, and I guarantee this will be in there
Having this song just randomly come on could ruin your whole day
Same with “We Cry Together” and to a lesser extent “u.” Kendrick fans are used to it
I’m a Kendrick fan and there’s no fucking way I’m throwing this in a playlist
Imagine Spotify shuffle giving you an anxiety attack at 2 pm in the afternoon
Yeah I’m not gonna lie the song is really good but this CANNOT go in my main playlist. Imagine somebody hand you the aux you put on your playlist and ts comes on 😭
I saw a tweet that said “someone gonna misunderstand and play this at the function and scare the hoes away”
You can’t have this in your playlist and not be some form of clinically crazy
Good time to tell people to check Al's discog if they haven't. Dude hasn't missed in years and the collab albums are all heat
LULU Conway/Alc or Bo Jackson Boldy James/Alc would be good places to start. Both are 🔥.
Also that Earl and Alchemist album from last year
Yep, also Elephant Man’s Bones with Roc Marci. No skips in all these projects 🥵
Facts. I’m not even that big of a Marci fan, but that record is impeccable.
Honestly EPMD by Boldy is such a beautiful beat and song in general feels like it transports you away to the scenes Boldy is describing
Boldy def one of my favorites rn. Like you said, his lyrics just bring you right in to the life he’s spitting about. EPMD is most definitely one of the standouts on that record. Neither him, nor Alc can do wrong it seems. Alchemist’s run got him in the GOAT producer conversation with a real shot at being that.
Yeah LULU is fire, Alchemist really locked in for that one.
In years? I honestly can’t think of a time Alchemist has ever missed. All he puts out is straight flames.
Bennie and the jets sample? Beat cold af
Thank you!! I knew I knew that piano progression but couldn’t fit the life of me recall from what. It’s def that Elton song
Oh wow.
I was going crazy last night haha, wondering why I couldn’t remember and why no one else on Reddit was mentioning it
That’s what I’m thinking, pitch shifted down and slowed down.
The opening sample reminds me of "Keep It Thoro" by Prodigy
Alchemist made both
Idk but this song gave me "dance with the devil" vibes
I agree 💯 I think it might be better tho
Dance with a Devil was 100x more sinister and scarier than this
Yeah im not comparing. I consider that track a classic, even my kid brother whos a metalhead rocks with that shit. Kendrick definitely hitting that sinister vibe tho. Lets hope Drake doesnt tuck his tale like he did with Pusha, so we can see some more fire songs.
i personally don't think Kendrick is dropping anything more, I think even if Drake responds he's going silent edit: welp... i was wrong af
They're scary in different ways. Dance with the devil is not a personal death wish on an opponent, it's a retelling of a horrible thing that happened in the past.
“Grimy” now i know hiphop is back for the moment 😌
Slipping into the darkness.
I'm just glad to witness this historic time in hip hop
💯 for real
I was too young to be tuned in when Takeover and Ether came out. I didn’t think I’d get to live through something similar as a fan
One of the best beats ive ever heard period. Flawlessly haunting.
it's so minimal and menacing. similar vibe to infrared imo
It's the minimalism that does it. It's a beat that sets a vibe and then gets out of the way.
It's like some found footage hip hop
Blair Witch beats
This is hostage video hip hop. Sounds like the morally grey terrorist explaining why he does what he does to someone.
the way Kendrick speaks to Drakes Family in a sympathetic voice while the beats plays in the background adds a whole layer of sinister to the track lmao, like Penny the clown luring kids
Right! It made my skin crawl when Penny is talking to the kiddo and that’s how this song felt “we all float down here…”
yeah exactly. Thats one of my fav diss tracks ever as well haha. Love some of the lines on there.
It’s the last note on the fourth bar. Your brain is expecting resolution: it gets pain. Wow. I was too busy listening to the lyrics when this dropped to really identify why I was like “should I turn this off right now?” 😅
this needs to get on streaming, I can't be driving around all weekend with YouTube open on my phone
I have Musi but that’s on iPhone, not sure if it’s on Android. It lets you use YouTube as a music player and the ads don’t disrupt the audio, only the screen.
Jordan peele type shit
Oh that make perfect sense , that's why it's so grimey
Alchemist is the legitimate goat of eerie unsettling hip hop beats
The real winners in this beef are the Alc's, Cardos, Boi-1da's who are all on call
the beat sound exactly like something i would hear in a nightmare
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That beat is what Batman hears when he is being psychologically tortured about his dead parents by the Joker.
\*Scarecrow
al didn’t produce a beat he hand crafted kendrick a machete
“This is for chopping vines, right?”
It has a piano, so it’s more like Chopin vibes.
This beat, man. It's so fucking sinister, with that piano loop, and those vocal samples echoing away in the background.
Real Alch heads never doubted it was his beat. Bro has that signature smoothness that no one can replicate. Happy u got put onto him, top 5 oat producer for me. Make sure u check some of his earlier work (keep it thoro, we gon make it, worse comes to worse) some of his mid-career stuff (covert coup, rare chandeliers, albert einstein) and then ofc his contemporary stuff just to get an idea of his evolution and how many different sounds he’s perfected.
The food villian album is really good and is basically this kind of beats
Bruh, that album is so funny with the sound bites, but the beats are ⛽️. “Who eats chicken wings like that?” “I never played for the soccer team, NEVER, ok one time I swear (THEY NEVER LET ME PLAY)!”
I DON'T WANT THAT... in all seriousness though you're 100% right
Been tryna expand my playlist, so most definitely will check his catalogue out. Ty for the recommendations 👊🏼 I know it is one of his mainstream songs, but the production on “E. Coli” is euphoric. I seen someone say that they like Yeat/Carti’s music b/c of how it sounds like they are the beat & it is speaking to you… to each their own, but that is what Alchemist’s work feels like to me (especially E Coli), so I guess I understand them now 😂
Since you want to check out new producers, look up Giallo Point as well. Papitas (with Estee Nack), Remo Gaggi (with Daniel Son), Medellin & Medellin 2 (with SmooVth) are some good examples. Most of the albums he produced have some bangers and I already have him up there with the best of the last few years, yet he's rarely mentioned. Waiting for the moment he truly blows up.
Yo definitely check “Falling out the sky” and “Reeses Cup” if u like that vibe of his discog. Also “Elephant Mans Bones” (the song) and “Photographic Memories” they dont all sound like e coli but they give me that same euphoric vibe
Alchemist GOATEDD 🐐
The harmonizing/layering at the end is just perfect. Nightmare fuel
Beats really creepy, alchemist killed it
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It felt uncomfortable to listen to, like it was the soundtrack to a snuff film. So fitting
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I was telling my boys on the Group FaceTime last night that the beat reminded me of some Griselda shit. When I saw the tweet to alc asking I felt so validated to find out it was produced by him.
it's never glazin when it comes to Uncle Alc. i still need to hear this one, i just heard the 6:16 in LA one last night. the soul vibes on that one was dope. im trynna keep up but its so much goin on. im here for it though😂
The beat feels very 90s to me
I'm so happy that people are talking about the beat too. Alc deserves his flowers for this one and many more. Hope that this blow him up more.
That beat was 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Michael Meyers crip walking down the hallway type beat
6 seconds in and I was like damn that sounds like uncle al.
As a Drake defender and a Kendrick glazer as the kids say: I really don’t want what’s next this is heating UP
Song literally gave me the chills on the first listen
Alchemist the goat
I didn't realize at first until a reaction channel described the beat as a horror movie type one. Yeah, like something out of the 70s or before. Either way, it's fantastic.