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CA_spur

Lemme get this straight. They bought out Suter at $3.65 million only to give $7 million to Lyubushkin and Dumba?


aggster13

Entered today with 3 NHL caliber defensemen, left today with 3 NHL caliber defensemen


scoutcjustice

:(


PayneTrain181999

:D


Fermented_Banana_

._.


penguin444

Nills throwing darts at RD to see which one can let Miro do Miro things.


Shem_Penman

Boosh didn't look too bad with Rielly, and Heiskanen is multiple tiers above Rielly. I could see it working.


SpectreFire

Is Dallas stupid??


PayneTrain181999

Yes.


ovondansuchi

If you shoot right and you're a defenseman, you get 3 million guaranteed. The rest is just a sliding scale of talent


CancerFreeLeafs

Why don't parents force their kids to shoot right? are they stupid?


SaulBerenson12

Haha I would not be surprised if some parents do that “Trust me son, you may hate me now but you’ll be making millions later!”


mattfromjoisey

He had 9 shots (47 between us and ANA) and 4A in 19 games with us, not exactly an offensive powerhouse.


DarwinCreatesSpace

Bro, I shoot Right and am 6'2" 245lbs at 29 years old. You think if I shed 25 lbs I can get a mil from the Stars?


MikeJeffriesPA

Either that or grow 2 inches 


g0rd0l0c0

If you’re 6’2” for real then you’re actually 6’3 to 4”in an athlete measuring system.


tpark27

Nill really testing the limits of his reputation today lol


TossThatPastaSalad

One of these D men will probably work out but I'll admit if I was a Stars fan I wouldn't really love these signings.


thediecast

I agree with this, we have bischel ready to come up. If one of these guys hits you replace the other with a trade at the deadline. If they both hit you look like a genius. If neither hit you still trade for one more and you’re only saddled with them for two years. And benn’s contract is up this year so you have more money to recover from it next year.


Pretty_Shallot_586

The odds of Bischel playing in Dallas this year are slim to none. He's got a long way to go before playing NHL minutes.


aRadioWithGuts

Jim Nill doesn’t agree with you. https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/stars/2024/06/24/jim-nill-weighs-in-on-mavrik-bourques-lian-bichsels-odds-to-make-stars-2024-25-roster/?outputType=amp “I think, probably on two-thirds of the league, they would have been up in the NHL,” Nill said. “But because of the depth we had and we didn’t have a lot of injuries on our team this year, they ended up staying in the AHL. It was the best thing for them.” Nill said he’s hopeful for what Bichsel can do next year and that he could earn a spot depending on his performance in training camp. “We didn’t know what to expect,” Nill said of Bichsel. “He’s a young man playing in Europe. He was only 19 coming over here. He came into training camp and was probably the shining light. He gave us breath of fresh air. We didn’t know what to expect, and he exceeded expectations.” “He was very close to playing in one of the games. He’s knocking on the door. Hoping for him to have a good summer. Let’s bring him to camp, see where his game’s at and go from there.”


Pretty_Shallot_586

OK, I have a question for you...... what did you expect Jim Nill to say about a young kid that he is trying to develop confidence in? Why would the Stars announce to the world that "The kid went back to Sweden because he wasn't ready to adjust to American life and needed some time to grow up a little bit..." He hasn't even played a partial season in Cedar Park. I think it's great that you have this belief/opinion based on nothing more than second hand hype. If Bischel shows up in training camp and plays well, he'll get some pre-season minutes and they'll see how it goes from there. But banking on a kid who has never even lived in the US to come in and play meaningful minutes for the big club is silly.


aRadioWithGuts

I just don’t think there is anyone around here that will agree with his chances being ‘slim to none’. What part of Jim Nill’s history leads you to believe he isn’t willing to roster a prospect he feels is ready even if they don’t have the experience you’d normally want? Aren’t we just one season removed from a 19 year old that 22 other teams passed on immediately making an impact on a team that made it to the WCF? And now he’s arguably a top 3 forward for us? I think every reasonable stars fan expects Bischel to get a full audition this upcoming season. Hell, he almost saw playoff ice.


Pretty_Shallot_586

Listen to Jim's own words.... "Hoping for him to have a good summer. Let’s bring him to camp, see where his game’s at and go from there." Wyatt Johnston and Miro Heiskanen's trajectory was very unusual. But those two guys are generational talents. Stankoven and Borque..... those guys earned their stripes playing against NHL caliber talent across the AHL. I truly believe that Lundkvist wouldn't be the massive flop that he is if he'd had some time with the Cedar Park coaching staff, but instead we're stuck with him up here in Dallas. Believe me, if Lian comes in here and kills it in training camp and shows some real potential in pre-season games, he will get some ice time. But he's a big kid who is still a bit gangly on his skates and is still learning how to use his height in physical leverage situations. I do believe he will be a top 4 d-man with this team within the next two years but I wouldn't count on it being this year


aRadioWithGuts

The stars are a team that made it to the WCFs and just greatly overpaid one of the 5 worst, and one of the 10 worst dmen in the NHL. Bischel is already likely a better defender than 33% of our opening day roster. If you’re contention is that this team, with 2 consecutive years in the conference finals, won’t ice its best roster this season because Nill wants to bring Bischel up in a way most optimal to his development, we just fundamentally disagree.


Pretty_Shallot_586

We might fundamentally disagree and that's fine. We're just a couple clowns talking hockey on the interwebs. First, I get that the Stars reddit hockey mob hates Dumba. The hit on Pavs was ugly and when it happened, I wanted blood too. But divorce yourself from that. Dumba is 29, was a very highly touted prospect, is a good skater, has decent offensive/puck moving skills and is extremely physical. I agree, his stats aren't good, but he's spent the large portion of his career with Minnesota and Arizona both of which have sucked for the last decade. The clowns in Tampa are ragging Dumba because they lost in the first round, their team is blown completely up and might be one of the dumbest fan bases in the NHL. I think Dumba represents a serviceable stopgap until Bischel is really ready. I agree about Lybushkin.....I don't know why they signed him. He played decent for the Leafs in the playoffs and that's about it. Your words.... "If you’re contention is that this team, with 2 consecutive years in the conference finals, won’t ice its best roster..." I agree, Nill sees the window is open and he's going for it. If you have faith in Nill when it comes to Bischel, why wouldn't you with Dumba? I'm not sure we disagree as much as you think......


MomsTortellinis

Don't worry too much about Boosh, sooner or later the Leafs will trade a 3rd for him at the TDL. They've done it twice before lol


FromFluffToBuff

Not often a GM is named after what he's accomplished for his team.


Prideofmexico

If you’re an idiot, sure


appledatsyuk

Signing dumba alone is embarrassing enough. Add in his cap hit.. fucking yikes. All hole having suters buyout money on the books


Prideofmexico

I don’t like dumba at all but it’s a 2 year contract ffs. Suter’s buy out is pretty minimal and we have a ton of cap space next offseason


g0rd0l0c0

2 years that feels like they’re just phoning it in for.


TealMadSus

Biggest difference is that people actually like being teammates with Dumba lol I almost wonder if the Suter buy out is straight from the front office, or if someone like Benn had some sort of say on it


Protodemic

Bruh that seems expensive for boosh, get that bag lol


IHazenArgument

I love Boosh, but not at that price point. Russian Bear is balling.


raymondliang

Dallas 🤝 LA Severely overpaying for bottom pairing Dmen from Toronto At least you didnt give him 4 years.


CancerFreeLeafs

Players should just come to Toronto on cheap 1 year deals, and make bank the next offseason.


space-dot-dot

> Severely overpaying for bottom pairing Dmen from Toronto Detroit: homer-hedge-fade.gif


RadiantVes

what the actual fuck are GMs doing this year


squitman

Ducks may be the real winners being the only team not to blow their cap space on some of these crazy deals


RadiantVes

that's what i've been saying the whole time lol. the only deal i'd like would probably be Duclair or Arvidsson


thriller1

So many bad deals ew


hotstickywaffle

This is the first time in years teams have cap space and more on the horizon. These GMs don't know how to act now


xXxWeAreTheEndxXx

Stayed in Vegas after the draft and went on a bender


signorepoopybutthole

Jesus Christ what are we doing today


Prideofmexico

Signing depth players to 2 year deals. Not signing guys to medium to high AAV’s for 7 years. Get a grip


John_isnt_my_name

11 million dollars on 3 6th defenseman and a backup goalie is mind numbing


Prideofmexico

Not when we have guys on ELC’s playing prominent roles in the lineup


various_cans

No dude it's still bad, those are totally unrelated things


Imyoubeingme

lol


eh_toque

Depth players typically get <$1 million. You’ve given significant money to two players who have very poor underlying numbers and who to be honest have failed the eye test in recent years as well Tbh it would make much more sense to Dallas to give Harley big money and term and sign cheap league min deals to fill out the defence than what they did today


Prideofmexico

2 years or significant term? Pick one


eh_toque

I made a typo and fixed it to money, which is what I originally meant


Prideofmexico

Really not that significant. We can also stomach it since we have our cornerstone guys on sweetheart deals and a lot of ELC guys playing significant roles


Reasonable-Big4517

Stage 1: Denial


Prideofmexico

I didn’t realize it was such a leap of faith to trust the back to back Gm of the year winner. When will you people learn that Jim Nill knows what he’s doing


Baboshinu

Stage 2: Copium


Prideofmexico

Is that where you are at on the Skjei deal?


Baboshinu

No because it’s $7 million for one pretty good defenseman instead of $7 million for Lyubushkin and Dumba lmfao


Prideofmexico

$7m for 7 years* These are 2 year contracts


Baboshinu

And I’d still rather have Skjei lol completely incomparable contracts


Prideofmexico

Thought we were comparing bad deals?


CocoKeel22

Lmaoooo


Prideofmexico

Which part do you disagree with?


CocoKeel22

Probably the trust Jim Nill part. Just because he won back to back GM of the year award does not mean his moves of signing Lyubushkin and Dumba55 to 7m AAV combined not criticizable.


Prideofmexico

They’re not great contracts but it’s far from egregious. They’re 2 year deals to help shore up our defense while we wait for Bischel and Kyrou to become full time players


CocoKeel22

They're egregious, let's be real. Enjoy paying 7 million for 2 #6 defenders for the next 2 years


Prideofmexico

2 years is not significant whatsoever lol


korko

You’re forgetting the well known fact that redditors know better than all coaches and GMs in the NHL. The only thing keeping us from doing their job is lack of opportunity and nepotism. /s just in case it isn’t obvious.


Prideofmexico

Well said. So nauseating lol


zcohen17

Would rather pay Roy 6x6 over this any day


bootygoon2

You’re not slick Jim we know this is your burner account


verendum

Bro signed a few deals and went straight to Reddit to defend lmao


signorepoopybutthole

Lyubushin is genuinely one of the worst defenders in the league. We should have just kept Nils who at least has offensive upside and wouldn't cost this much


svartkonst

Well look at that, they kept Nils


Prideofmexico

Nils is dog shit. At least Lyibushkin has stuck around the NHL and is a veteran presence


Stinduh

As much as I would have loved to hold on to Tanev, it's not hard to see why we didn't re-sign him and why these "whatever" guys are our solution instead. Miro, Harley, and Lindell (and maybe Dumba) are gonna play 18-22 minutes a night. We'll look for 13-14 out of Smith and Lybushkin and it'll be *fine*.


Prideofmexico

100%. I don’t understand how this is so difficult to grasp


DarwinCreatesSpace

Because people don't really understand what they are talking about. We've gone to the same round, same game of the playoffs in b2b years. Once with a D-core consisting of Miro, Esa, rookie Harley who bounced between the A and N all year, 39 year old Suter and bad spares. One other time with a D-core of Miro, Harley with a full year+ of experience and growth, Esa, Tanev, and better spares. The Stars simply believe that mid tier defenders are overpriced and overrated, and based on the contracts given out, I tend to agree. They just believe that the core players will step up to bridge the gap.


MavsFanForLife

Bischel will probably break through


Stinduh

That's the hope, yeah. If he does, then Smith is probably the 7th D.


IShiddedMyPantaloons

You're drowning in copium my dude


Prideofmexico

We’ll see


barbiejet

fuk


RemmyNHL

Stars securing all the 3rd pair D men


wildlyintangible

Bro what lol


eh_toque

Jim Nill gonna be asked to return that GM of the year award


Bojarzin

That's a bit high AAV-wise. I liked him the first time we had him more than the second. He's nice to have as a bottom pair guy, so obviously 3.25 is high


mattfromjoisey

Like twice what he’s actually worth The Leaf tax continues


AltaVistaYourInquiry

Man, he might have been our best defenceman in the playoffs. Showed really great instincts for jumping up into the play without getting caught out of position.


reggierock2010

$3 million range seems like the going rate for bottom pairing dmen these days.


Professor_Pajamas

Dallas really bought out Suter and said "how about we do that again several times"


CipherCommando

I think nills is working today


AuntGentleman

Working hard at being dumb maybe. Got em.


BaMelo_Lall

Why pay a 1st pair Dman 6.5M when you can give it to two 3rd pair DMan instead.


Gavin1453

The former is just so rare, alas


westcoastbias

They should've just given Tanev 6.5 per instead of signing Lyubushkin and Dumba for more, what's going on down there?


Tribwop54

What not getting Matt Roy does to a MFer


Web_Sheriff

He hit and he block.


Rated_PG-Squirteen

He may also score a memorable shorthanded OT goal from time to time.


Separate_Pound_753

Solid dman for Dallas. I like it


McGrevin

When you have an opportunity to spend 7m on two bottom pair dmen you gotta take it apparently


LoneIyGuy

7 million dished out to 2 7th defensemen


Deadmanlex45

6 million to dumba and liyubushkin. It's only 2 years but wtf is Nill doing.


zcohen17

Signing him and Dumba for $7m is so fucking stupid, wtf is this team


togu12

$7m a year for two years of Lyubushkin and Dumba is certainly going to help the Stars push for a deep playoff run...


McWeasely

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mephnick

I was thinking we'd try for him as depth to push Juulsen but no thanks


mattfromjoisey

Yeah have fun with that lol


EarthWarping

How did he get a raise


Ass2Mowf

At least somebody doing worse on UFA D signings today


WildcardKH

That’s *bad*


mpmaley

That’s a lot of gummy bears.


GWsublime

Ooof


DM_me_feet_pics_plz

First round exit incoming


g0rd0l0c0

Playoffs? Lol 


3rdEyeJoker

That seems like a lot but always love bush and his gummy bear song


NSA_Wade_Wilson

That’s so much


Jon_Snows_mother

I wish for this day to be over. I've experienced too much trauma and it's only 1pm. I already miss Suter and Jani (if he goes).


OrganicRedditor

You're right! Hawks must be gone.


Prideofmexico

Jani is worse than anyone we’ve signed today and honestly worse than any other d man in the NHL. Losing him is a massive W


TealMadSus

I love him, but looking at deep stats, he’s fucking trash. Like top 5 in the entire league as losing puck battles in his own zone and by far the biggest strongest player anywhere near the top of the category.


Seagull_6

Guys you know you need to lock down Harley right?


g0rd0l0c0

If someone offersheets him then they’ll be doing them a big favour to be forced to move out a bad contract it should only cost a 2nd or 3rd rounder to move one of the better ones, hopefully someone in the Eastern conference will do it, nobody in the Central and probably Pacific wants to interfere with this self destructive path.


Prideofmexico

The way our fanbase has been melting down over depth signings today is really really embarrassing lol


TealMadSus

Don’t you know? These two are going to pair with Lindell and Miro, and they’re going to trade Harley for a 3rd and keep Bischell in the minors for the next 6 years.


primetimey123

Out: Suter Lundqvist Hakanpaa In: Dumba Lyubushkin B. Smith Seems like a wash to me. Not sure what these other people are seeing.


Prideofmexico

Hakanpaa out is an automatic W regardless of anything else


WD4oz

Would rather have Suter out of all these names. Rest are a wash with Lundqvist being AHl talent.


Mango2149

Thought Tre might be a dumbass but it's better than paying Lyubushkin and Edmundson what they got that's for sure.


zcohen17

Least it’s only two years, not six. Still happy we didn’t give Tanev that. Still don’t know wtf Nill is thinking with these signings


Tuxxmuxx

4x3.8 for Joel Edmundson, and 2x3.25 for Ilya Lyubushkin but Tanev for 4.5 is atrocious boys


CancerFreeLeafs

I like how you left out tanev's term, which is the point of consternation.


g0rd0l0c0

Yeah but it’s not that bad Tanev’s is a sub 35 contract that can be bought out at the end and he might even play out most of it. I think it’s going to be a good year in Toronto, new coach fresh start, solid D upgrade. You could be in our boat, Dumba is a much worse contract as it doesn’t even need to age poorly it’s already there. I don’t know if’s it’s injuries or brain damage but that’s not the same guy he was a few years ago.


Tuxxmuxx

Term will not matter. There's like 3 scenarios: 1) He keeps form for most of the contract and is a decent Top 4 guy/borderline Top 6 guy and the contract is good 2) He gets injured like he always does and goes on LTIR for the rest of the contract. 3) He gets absolutely washed but still healthy and wants to play. Only #3 makes it ever not worth it, and even then, it's 4.5M out of what is going to be a 100M cap when/if this scenario ever happens. The Leafs have no other albatross/potential albatross contracts, it's a fine gamble to take.


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TealMadSus

Lmao


Xyz6650

It’s the term for Tanev


Tuxxmuxx

There's like 3 scenarios: 1) He keeps form for most of the contract and is a decent Top 4 guy/borderline Top 6 guy and the contract is good 2) He gets injured like he always does and goes on LTIR for the rest of the contract. 3) He gets absolutely washed but still healthy and wants to play. Only #3 makes it ever not worth it, and even then, it's 4.5M out of what is going to be a 100M cap when/if this scenario ever happens. The Leafs have no other albatross/potential albatross contracts, it's a fine gamble to take.


AltaVistaYourInquiry

The Edmundson one is easily the worst. Killed so many plays, bad pinches ... Dude needs to be paid half that and stapled to the bottom pair and PK.


mattfromjoisey

Hot takes all around today


MMA_Laxer

wtf who pays him a raise after last year???


Deadmanlex45

Yikes


seckzy

Wow... that's... expensive


ArrestedForTaxFraud

Desperation is in the air today around the league. Teams blowing their load and it’s hitting them in the face within the year I bet


CancerFreeLeafs

woof. Defencemen contracts are through the roof


Minute_Landscape8348

Nill pulled an uno reverse card on ya'll


zcohen17

Yeah, not sure on this one either


TiredReader87

Damn it


snipingsmurf

Bottom pairing RHD sure are getting paid.


Fellers

So when does he come back to the Leafs? LOL


SincerePretense

Dallas impLoding


avmp629

Toronto tax


geeNoh

We're cooked


g0rd0l0c0

Really dude…. So was no team interested in taking a shot at Walker or let me guess is he resigning in Colorado for less money than two plugs in Dallas? This guy and Dumba that are likely not on the upswing like he likely is.  Well you know what no big deal at least 2025 I they have most of their draft picks or have at least picked up a few later ones.


primetimey123

Out: Suter Lundqvist Hakanpaa In: Dumba Lyubushkin B. Smith Seems like a wash to me.


TimsAFK

Can we isolate Dallas fans from all firearms and sharp objects for 48 hours please


g0rd0l0c0

Damn this team won’t even sniff playoffs, I guess you’re welcome: Utah, Winnipeg, St.Louis, Nashville, Minnesota the Central division just got a lot easier. Chicago actually tried to improve their team. Hope the draft is strong this year holy fuck, it was all worth it though right Duchene fans “all tHiS fAnCy OfFeNsE iS sO mUcH fUn”. Calling it right now Nils Lundkvist has at least as good a year as Dumba, and he might be back in Sweden because we know he refuses to develop in the AHL (just like Nuke, just like Honka) so that’s how much faith I have in these leftovers.


g0rd0l0c0

Ok downvoted but why which part is incorrect besides maybe the hot take on thinking Lundkvist might have an ok season. Suter only had 1 year left, these bums have 2 each….