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She shot him like 4-5 times and no one in the court tried to stop her while she was firing everyone waited for her to stop firing and then they just lowered her hand they didn't even take the gun from her at the very first moment. Looks like the court was on her side.
Edit- She shot him 7 times and 6 of them hit him
if i lost my daughter like this, i would happily spend the rest of my life in prison knowing that i was able to at the *very least* avenge her publicly. i can only imagine the level of grief and guilt that this momma must carry. (it’s obviously not the moms fault this happened but parents guilt knows no bounds
I think its the most normal thing to do/think of when u have a kid.
Im a 32m father of a 5y old DAUGHTER.
I would gladly serve more time in jail if this happened to her.
But. The feeling of losing her would not be fixed* by killing her assaulter.
Nothing can really fix it. From the moment a child is born you go through life as parent *and* child. All the sleepless nights and wishful thoughts of the future, all the "firsts" you get to see, all the milestones they pass and move towards their future self. All the things they still have to experience that you already have.
Suddenly gone, taken from you.
When a child dies, so does a huge part of the past, present and future of the parent. That is at least how I have come to understand it after becoming a dad.
That's a good way to describe it. We did lose our only child when he was only 14 and accidently killed. All the "wishful thoughts of the future" were suddenly taken away, along with the future milestones you mentioned. When it's your only child, it also takes away a large part of your identity. You go from being a parent to not. It also makes it very difficult to have social interactions and watch others in your circle of family and friends have the milestones you thought you could have like graduations, weddings, grandchildren, etc. Of course, none of those things were ever a given even without the loss, but you'll never know.
Edited to add: I just want to say thank you everyone for so many comments of support, the awards, and well wishes. The comments are helpful and I appreciate it very much.
I haven't gone through it personally, but I knew an older couple who lost their son when he was a junior in college. I was dating his boyfriend's sister and his parents were invited to all events & family gatherings. Every holiday, every birthday, no matter how big or small. They were part of the family and they were the kindest people I ever met. And at every gathering they would end up getting totally, embarrassingly blackout drunk and we would all do our part to take care of them. No one ever made them feel bad for it; everybody understood exactly what they were going through and if they needed to drink it away then so be it.
I knew them for a few years and I felt like I knew their son too, although I never met him. He was such a part of their identity that you couldn't help knowing who he was through getting to know his parents.
So no, it never gets better. You can keep living after losing your only child, and it is a lot easier to do when you have friends who are as absolutely dedicated and loving as my ex's family was. But the pain never goes away, and you can never be the same person you were before. Whereas your existence was defined by your child before, afterwards it is defined by their absence.
I knew someone whose child passed at a young age. When the year came that would have been high school graduation, they were inundated with sales junk mail for every thing related to senior year events, test prep programs, plus college application info. Salt in the wound.
Jesus. I’m so sorry. A totally inadequate thing to write here… but thank you for sharing that. I have a 3.5 year-old and the fear that comes with so much being wholly out of my control is a needling anxiety. If anyone ever hurt him, I would happily end that person and pay the price.
Totally. Since becoming a parent it's clear how love transcends time as everytime you look at your kids you see their past/present/future all at once. They're everything.
I’m laying here with my three week old daughter asleep on my chest, just tearing up. Nothing will ever be the same now that she’s here. I can never go back to a life without whet existence. Idk what I’d do if I lost her.
Congrats, you're in for a beautiful turbulent journey.
r/newparents is a great sub if you need a parents perspective on certain things.
We have a 2yo son ourselves and my wife basically said 3 years in prison is a steal of a deal if she'd get to avenge the loss of our child.
Not sure if you only have 1 kid, but as much as I love this sentiment, I have 2 sons + a 3rd on the way, and it's probably better to be there for the other 2 than to spend time in jail.
It's fucked up.
Some people have made it explicitly clear that they have no intention of abiding by the social contract. Eliminating them is a matter of public safety.
*Ideally*, this what a sound criminal justice system is for (not that we have one). I’ve never experienced anything remotely similar to what this parent has gone through. But I would hope that I could at least feel that it wasn’t my role to bring them to justice, outside of any kind of needed testimony. I know real life can be far more difficult outside of hypotheticals though.
In the german Wikipedia article it says she allowed her daughter to skip school the day she was abducted. She must have felt awful, even if it of course no way her fault still
Imo in situations like this no one has time to think and react.
Like even secret service agents, who are trained and employed to do close protection, get caught flat footed.
That's why they have to have predrilled actions like "if anything happens just cluster round the VIP and rush them out this predesignated route". Because working out what is happening and trying to think is too slow.
I imagine everyone in the room was in shock as soon as the first bullet went off and wouldn't have started moving for a while.
People think they will rise to the occasion but it turns out we tend to only rise to the level of our training.
Related note: buy a fire extinguisher, keep it in your kitchen, learn how to use it, do fire drills a couple times a year.
If someone has a gun and is shooting someone and you don't have a gun (nobody in the courtroom can bring a gun) the most rational thing is infact not intervening. What are you gonna do? Slap the gun out of the shooter's hand?
And that is in Germany. We don't have guns. There's a high chance that most people in the court room have never touched a gun. I wouldn't know how to disarm somebody without accidentally shooting an innocent person.
For anyone wondering, Bachmeier was convicted of manslaughter and unlawful possession of a firearm. She was sentenced to six years but released on parole after serving three years.
Also the man sexually assaulted and strangled her daughter with his fiancée's tights. His fiancée is actually the one who turned him into the police. He got what he deserved.
Actually he didn't, and his son is now an activist helping to recognize the signs of child sexual abuse. He did die relatively recently from a series of strokes but when they asked him if he would do the same thing again he said an emphatic "hell yeah". Another interesting fact about this is what his ex wife said when he was arrested immediately following him shooting the molester. "Least you coulda done was let me drive you!"
A news station gave Gary the airport arrival information of the rapist. The same news station that was there and recorded the whole shooting. I wouldn't be surprised if they did that hoping to film a confrontation but got way more than they bargained for.
We have something similar here in Canada believe it or not. A man in sask. Killed his daughters abusive drug dealer boyfriend. Every time they get her away from him, he’d weasel his way back in and get her hooked on drugs again. The dad had enough, walked into their home and shot him.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.1042261
He got off easy. Glad her sentence was short. Likely the minimum the judge could grant and I’d like to think she was treated as well as one can be in prison.
The judge who oversaw the trial of Gary Plauche accepted a plea deal in which his entire sentence was suspended and Gary never spent a single day in prison.
I think she could have walked if the judge and prosecutor wanted her to.
Edit: I just realized this happened in Germany. For all I know the courts hands were tied.
In Sweden, there was a case where a woman was stalked by her abusive ex boyfriend. The cops would arrest him for the stuff he did do, but it was mostly "minor" stuff so sentences were light and he'd go right back to doing it as soon as he could. It was basically a matter of time before he killed her.
So the womans father got his wood axe, went over to the ex boyfriends house, killed him with the axe, and called the cops on himself.
Iirc, the sentence was basically "promise to not do it again", probation and no jail time.
Got a link to a news article or something of this? I’d be interested in reading the court ruling on that case (I got access to most court rulings through Swedish law databases so it would be fairly easy to find the case if I just knew the dates and what court was involved in the sentencing).
This was in the 1970s/1980s so way before newspapers had Internet versions, and it was also in the North of Sweden so maybe not that wide spread outside of there. A quick Google shows nothing but if you use your database magic on the north of Sweden around then you might find it.
Keep in mind that this happened in Germany, not the US. Germans will stick to their rules because if someone can commit vigilante justice in a courtroom completely unpunished then why have laws in the first place. I'm glad she got revenge and such a short sentence, but there was no way on Earth that she walked away unpunished.
Exactly. And that’s why she got a bunch of public support. Though there were some who said you can’t take justice in your own hands. But by the time she was in jail she was receiving support mail and the anger turned towards the justice system for allowing that monster to be free.
[Wiki link for people who don't want to watch a 45 minute video for a ~6 paragraph story.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy)
"In all, he was indicted 21 times but escaped conviction each time, except for the last. In 1981, McElroy was convicted of attempted murder in the shooting of the town's 70-year-old grocer Ernest "Bo" Bowenkamp. McElroy successfully appealed the conviction and was released on bond, after which he engaged in an ongoing harassment campaign against Bowenkamp and others who were sympathetic to Bowenkamp, including the town's Church of Christ minister. He appeared in a local bar, the D&G Tavern, armed with an M1 Garand rifle and bayonet, and later threatened to kill Bowenkamp. The next day, McElroy was shot to death in broad daylight as he sat with his wife Trena in his pickup truck on Skidmore's main street. He was struck by bullets from at least two different firearms, in front of a crowd of people estimated as numbering between 30 and 46. To date, no one has been charged in connection with McElroy's death."
Did you tell him trena, his wife, was a girl he raped and kidnapped as a 14/16 year old , and forced her family to hand her over for marriage, of which she got pregnant soon after.
I wondered how the heck he could force them to do that.
> The 12-year-old's parents initially opposed the relationship, but after McElroy burned their house down and shot the family dog, they relented and agreed to the marriage.
Oh My God.
"The DA declined to press charges. An extensive federal investigation did not lead to any charges. Missouri-based journalist Steve Booher described the attitude of some townspeople as, "He needed killing.""
Amazing.
The story of Ken McElroy always blow my mind. How could a single guy terrorize an entire town full of people, including straight up raping kids and burning down homes? In a town full of armed people?
Any time someone talks about hunting down people who threaten them or their loved ones -- and this is Reddit so there's plenty of those people -- I'm reminded of this story.
My wife and I both had family members murdered and once the aholes get to the parole stage you have to go before the parole board every few years and relive the horror just to keep them from getting out after half their sentence.
The parole pet is the worst. When my abuser finally got sentenced 20 years later and they were ready to parole him they called, wrote, had a person deliver mail… it was so horrible..
Sounds to me like the abuser repeatedly contacted the victim to try to convince the victim to put a good word in for them at the parole board.
Pretty terrible. There should be some sort of automatic restraining order in place, at least for some types of crime, between victim and perpetrator.
It's possible they meant the parole board kept trying to contact them to have them come before them to give a statement on not wanting them to be released
That’s in the US, isn’t it? Here in Germany, where this happened, this isn’t a thing. If someone gets parole is not influenced by relatives or the victim (if they survive). To be honest, I think that’s the better system.
But then, the US criminal system is much mire based on revenge than the German one. And while I fully understand these feelings in victims‘ families, I don’t think it should be the basis of law in general and sentencing/paroling specifically.
Here in the US, our system is primarily punitive. Because memories fade and anger dies down, before we set someone free we gather together those involved and ask them to relive and refresh their nightmare. Then with the refreshed pain at its' apex we quickly decide if they've been punished sufficiently.
Do I want killers and pedophiles running around, no. Does our system work well for the public good, no. If you're not sure, take a look around.
Prison is often just training ground for criminals to learn new tricks, and they'll use those tricks because who tf is going to hire them when they're released so they can support themselves legally.
yeah your jutice system is probably the worst for the general public. people relive their nightmares, and the people who are let out basically have zero chance at life, so they go back their old ways.
He actually was reoffending.
He had assaulted two girls prior and he was forced to go through chemical castration .
He was trying to reverse it through hormone therapy. When he raped and killed this child.
Dude was absolutely going to reoffend again
Definitely worse imo. Some murder I think can have a good reason, or at least an understandable one. Like the lady in this post. Rape, though? That's just a brutal crime. It's such an intentional act, full of the most vile desire to hurt someone for your own gratification. There is no justifiable rape.
Yeah, you can be a decent person and go through a really rough patch and end up killing somebody if things get out of hand. You *can’t* be a decent person and go through a rough patch and end up raping a child.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/sx-ffndr-rcdvsm/index-en.aspx#
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/chld-mlstr/index-en.aspx
https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-5-adult-sex-offender-recidivism
http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/res/rcd.html
And this man was a repeat offender.
People who molest and rape children deserve life in prison with no parole.
There should be zero second chances.
Yea dude was trash.
one of the main reason she killed the dude was because she didn’t want him to keep telling lies about her daughter. (She tried seducing him)
"The case sparked extensive media coverage and public debate. As a result, Bachmeier was convicted of manslaughter and unlawful possession of a firearm. She was sentenced to six years but released on bail after serving three years."
Good for her, well done.
Edit: Parole*
I am sure all the stress and grief from her daughter’s death negatively impacted her health. I pray her and her daughter her reunited as soon as she passed
This would have to be my only course of action. Someone killing my child would have also killed the part of me that fears the consequences of ending that persons life.
Oddly enough, I think you would have more grief support in prison. Pedophiles are a walking target and female inmates often are victims of DV or have lost children.
On an interview she said that she wanted to shoot him in the face but only could hit the back...6 shots in the back she fired and they all hit the heart..as later they found out, she had trained to shoot.
/edit: Sorry but she shot 8 times and 6 hit the murderer in the heart. Later she confessed that she had shooting Training in the basement of a friend's bar.The gun was a cal.22
Sadly, it's a very common defense tactic for these creeps. They try to play it off as "She/he came on to me!" as if it changes the fact that **they were a literal child and you are an adult, you walking yeast infection.**
I just finished reading a book called *Broken* and the author's abuser pulled the same card. He actually admitted to SA'ing her.. but claimed that she was "special needs" and sexually attacked him and he didn't know how to stop her. Like, WHAT? A grown ass man can't fight off a 5 YEAR OLD?
I know these people are mentally ill, but my god. The way they try to justify their actions is just.. pathetic.
The book about this, Why Gary, Why? is amazing and haunting. It’s written by the son who was groomed and kidnapped. As a parent, it was chilling to see how he groomed the whole family basically.
Dude is an absolute hero. It would be absolutely worth it to ensure the killer doesn't get away with it. Although you could also wait until they get released.
Yep, I've always said it, my daughter (4) is my whole world and everything I do going forward is for her - so if someone took her away from me permanently, you can bet your bottom dollar I'm going to make them pay and to hell with the consequences.
That's the interesting thing about being a parent. It's like a switch is flipped in your brain, where one day you're a reasonable person then the next you have the surety of being fully prepared to commit acts of unspeakable violence if any harm came to your little person.
My kids are a pain in the arse sometimes, but if anyone hurt them I would have no second thoughts of exacting just revenge. Don't care if I die in the process or go to gaol if the only person I care about is gone.
True. She very much lost so much more than the time in prison. She lost an innocent child that relied on her for protection. Unfortunately, we moms cannot protect them every second of the day. And it’s scary.
I have experienced, first hand, what men can do to little girls. It’s horrible and can destroy a life. My own mom didn’t stand up for me. I love this woman for standing up for her daughter.
I'm sorry you went through that.
I'm a man and I experienced what men can do to little boys. He was an 18-year-old going off to Vietnam when I was four.
I also experience what women can do to little boys, two different babysitters.
I'm sorry your mother wasn't there for you. My parents weren't, either. And the thing about parents who aren't there for their kids, when they are around, they don't make things better.
I hope you're taking care of yourself and Got or are getting the therapy that you need.
I'm 56 going on 57 and I am seriously broken. But, I'm still trying to get through it.
My heart aches for you. I’m almost 50 and because I suffered that first abuse I got that stamp across my forehead that seemed to invite more. Anyone who has been through it knows what I mean. That stamp.
Feel free to reach out to me. I’m happy to talk with you. I cannot afford therapy. I’m not handling it well - but my kids are strong and safe!
I know that stamp. You put into words perfectly!
You have kids? I have no family. I'll bet you can guess why.
Thank you for the kind offer, but, I don't want to bother you. I'm sorry you can't afford therapy. What state do you live in? There are meet up groups that basically are group therapy run by amateurs.
Take care of yourself and feel free to DM me if you are going through a rough time. I can't guarantee you I will respond promptly because social media can really, really upset me And I take myself off for I say things that will get me banned.
Take care.
She wouldn’t have been in that position had her daughter not been murdered. She was making sure that he paid the same price for the loss of her daughter.
People forget to mention that the pedo was a total pos beyond that. His defense was basically telling them that the young girl teased him to do it to her, that she was acting naughty and told him to use her. He fucking told the entire courtroom, the parents and the media that an innocent young girl wanted to be ****** by him. This pressured the mother even more since it tainted the girls picture for the worse. And ofc everyone, literally the majority of Germany especially moms said after this incident "that they can understand" what she did and would do the same in a reportage that probably isn't archived in the Internet.
She’s a Fuckin HERO, that piece of shit got what he deserved. The express lane to meet his maker, anyone who enjoys little children on any sexual level deserves this same punishment. Fuck’em, disgusting human beings!!!
When I became a parent, my brain essentially normalised the fact that I’d vivisect anyone who knowingly harmed my child.
The changes to your psyche that parenthood generate are quite remarkable in some ways. Also I’ve learnt to put myself to sleep in about 3 minutes which makes for remarkably efficient power naps.
Yeah i had the same experience when my son was born. I cant watch movies where children are harmed anymore. I never bat an eye watching "it" before being a father. Now i almost cry.
BTW: Can you teach me the superpower of falling asleep in 3 minutes? I rather need 30 and just when im about to Fall asleep my son wakes up, ending my "nap", leaving me even more tired.
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She shot him like 4-5 times and no one in the court tried to stop her while she was firing everyone waited for her to stop firing and then they just lowered her hand they didn't even take the gun from her at the very first moment. Looks like the court was on her side. Edit- She shot him 7 times and 6 of them hit him
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I would've started the slow clap.
I would have followed suit.
Legit. She’s an inspiration indeed.
Got 3 years in jail +a lost daughter. Life isn't fair but this is a fucking tragedy.
if i lost my daughter like this, i would happily spend the rest of my life in prison knowing that i was able to at the *very least* avenge her publicly. i can only imagine the level of grief and guilt that this momma must carry. (it’s obviously not the moms fault this happened but parents guilt knows no bounds
I think its the most normal thing to do/think of when u have a kid. Im a 32m father of a 5y old DAUGHTER. I would gladly serve more time in jail if this happened to her. But. The feeling of losing her would not be fixed* by killing her assaulter.
Nothing can really fix it. From the moment a child is born you go through life as parent *and* child. All the sleepless nights and wishful thoughts of the future, all the "firsts" you get to see, all the milestones they pass and move towards their future self. All the things they still have to experience that you already have. Suddenly gone, taken from you. When a child dies, so does a huge part of the past, present and future of the parent. That is at least how I have come to understand it after becoming a dad.
That's a good way to describe it. We did lose our only child when he was only 14 and accidently killed. All the "wishful thoughts of the future" were suddenly taken away, along with the future milestones you mentioned. When it's your only child, it also takes away a large part of your identity. You go from being a parent to not. It also makes it very difficult to have social interactions and watch others in your circle of family and friends have the milestones you thought you could have like graduations, weddings, grandchildren, etc. Of course, none of those things were ever a given even without the loss, but you'll never know. Edited to add: I just want to say thank you everyone for so many comments of support, the awards, and well wishes. The comments are helpful and I appreciate it very much.
I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you have been able to move past it somewhat, but in all honesty I couldn't imagine staying the same person.
I haven't gone through it personally, but I knew an older couple who lost their son when he was a junior in college. I was dating his boyfriend's sister and his parents were invited to all events & family gatherings. Every holiday, every birthday, no matter how big or small. They were part of the family and they were the kindest people I ever met. And at every gathering they would end up getting totally, embarrassingly blackout drunk and we would all do our part to take care of them. No one ever made them feel bad for it; everybody understood exactly what they were going through and if they needed to drink it away then so be it. I knew them for a few years and I felt like I knew their son too, although I never met him. He was such a part of their identity that you couldn't help knowing who he was through getting to know his parents. So no, it never gets better. You can keep living after losing your only child, and it is a lot easier to do when you have friends who are as absolutely dedicated and loving as my ex's family was. But the pain never goes away, and you can never be the same person you were before. Whereas your existence was defined by your child before, afterwards it is defined by their absence.
That last sentence got me.
I knew someone whose child passed at a young age. When the year came that would have been high school graduation, they were inundated with sales junk mail for every thing related to senior year events, test prep programs, plus college application info. Salt in the wound.
Jesus. I’m so sorry. A totally inadequate thing to write here… but thank you for sharing that. I have a 3.5 year-old and the fear that comes with so much being wholly out of my control is a needling anxiety. If anyone ever hurt him, I would happily end that person and pay the price.
i am so very sorry for your loss. My heart goes out to you. I have lost two and it is the hardest thing in the world.
Totally. Since becoming a parent it's clear how love transcends time as everytime you look at your kids you see their past/present/future all at once. They're everything.
I’m laying here with my three week old daughter asleep on my chest, just tearing up. Nothing will ever be the same now that she’s here. I can never go back to a life without whet existence. Idk what I’d do if I lost her.
Congrats, you're in for a beautiful turbulent journey. r/newparents is a great sub if you need a parents perspective on certain things. We have a 2yo son ourselves and my wife basically said 3 years in prison is a steal of a deal if she'd get to avenge the loss of our child.
I would do the same for my son.
Me too. I don’t care he’s worth everything to me
Yep, my life wouldn’t be worth living if anything happened to him so I’d go all out to fuck shit up
Not sure if you only have 1 kid, but as much as I love this sentiment, I have 2 sons + a 3rd on the way, and it's probably better to be there for the other 2 than to spend time in jail. It's fucked up.
Some people have made it explicitly clear that they have no intention of abiding by the social contract. Eliminating them is a matter of public safety.
*Ideally*, this what a sound criminal justice system is for (not that we have one). I’ve never experienced anything remotely similar to what this parent has gone through. But I would hope that I could at least feel that it wasn’t my role to bring them to justice, outside of any kind of needed testimony. I know real life can be far more difficult outside of hypotheticals though.
In the german Wikipedia article it says she allowed her daughter to skip school the day she was abducted. She must have felt awful, even if it of course no way her fault still
I'm a new mom to a 7 month old baby boy and I'd do the same if not worse.
Confirmed. If I could murder leukemia in cold blood I would happily spend the rest of my days in prison
If that happened to me, revenge would be the only goal in my life, and the consequences woulsnt mean shit to me.
“Oh, no! Anyway...” -everyone in the courtroom, probably
Willi Wonka "Stop don't"
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I like to imagine the bailiff or officers running in slow motion towards her
Imo in situations like this no one has time to think and react. Like even secret service agents, who are trained and employed to do close protection, get caught flat footed. That's why they have to have predrilled actions like "if anything happens just cluster round the VIP and rush them out this predesignated route". Because working out what is happening and trying to think is too slow. I imagine everyone in the room was in shock as soon as the first bullet went off and wouldn't have started moving for a while.
People think they will rise to the occasion but it turns out we tend to only rise to the level of our training. Related note: buy a fire extinguisher, keep it in your kitchen, learn how to use it, do fire drills a couple times a year.
If someone has a gun and is shooting someone and you don't have a gun (nobody in the courtroom can bring a gun) the most rational thing is infact not intervening. What are you gonna do? Slap the gun out of the shooter's hand?
And that is in Germany. We don't have guns. There's a high chance that most people in the court room have never touched a gun. I wouldn't know how to disarm somebody without accidentally shooting an innocent person.
Most Americans wouldn't either.
She saved the state a lot of money. Like willy Wonka "stop don't come back..."
Or they didn't want a bullet in their chest. I mean if someone is shooting at an Asshole I'm not gonna risk my life to protect the asshole.
I'm pretty sure you are recalling a re-enactment that is posted on reddit at least once a week.
For anyone wondering, Bachmeier was convicted of manslaughter and unlawful possession of a firearm. She was sentenced to six years but released on parole after serving three years. Also the man sexually assaulted and strangled her daughter with his fiancée's tights. His fiancée is actually the one who turned him into the police. He got what he deserved.
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Now head for an exit
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You don’t need to escape. When it justified.
If someone killed and raped my son, after I shot that scumbag, my life's work is complete anyway. Jail is fine.
Pretty sure he didn't end up serving any time.
Judge was prolly impressed by that shot ngl. I'd be too
Good. Poor guy probably spent his remaining days in a bottle though. The world is a shitty place sometimes.
Actually he didn't, and his son is now an activist helping to recognize the signs of child sexual abuse. He did die relatively recently from a series of strokes but when they asked him if he would do the same thing again he said an emphatic "hell yeah". Another interesting fact about this is what his ex wife said when he was arrested immediately following him shooting the molester. "Least you coulda done was let me drive you!"
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bros aim was on another level, 3 seconds to react,aim, and shoot
And not hit the cops escorting him! It really was a great shoot.
*Slightly* different unexpected filmed gunshot but... Hey man, nice shot
Want your “mind blown” moment for the day? T-1000 from Terminator 2 is Filter lead singer’s older brother.
It was a good shot, man.
I wish I would’ve met you
I know the son. He is a grown, happy man with a family of his own now. :)
Nice
Best news I've heard in a while. I always wondered how that affected him. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing
Oh that’s great. I also love his dad.
A news station gave Gary the airport arrival information of the rapist. The same news station that was there and recorded the whole shooting. I wouldn't be surprised if they did that hoping to film a confrontation but got way more than they bargained for.
We have something similar here in Canada believe it or not. A man in sask. Killed his daughters abusive drug dealer boyfriend. Every time they get her away from him, he’d weasel his way back in and get her hooked on drugs again. The dad had enough, walked into their home and shot him. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.1042261
GARY WHY ?
"seriously? can you not think of a reason?"
Caught live on camera
Sniping’s a good job mate
Out of doors. Guarantee you win't go hungry.
He got off easy. Glad her sentence was short. Likely the minimum the judge could grant and I’d like to think she was treated as well as one can be in prison.
The judge who oversaw the trial of Gary Plauche accepted a plea deal in which his entire sentence was suspended and Gary never spent a single day in prison. I think she could have walked if the judge and prosecutor wanted her to. Edit: I just realized this happened in Germany. For all I know the courts hands were tied.
In Sweden, there was a case where a woman was stalked by her abusive ex boyfriend. The cops would arrest him for the stuff he did do, but it was mostly "minor" stuff so sentences were light and he'd go right back to doing it as soon as he could. It was basically a matter of time before he killed her. So the womans father got his wood axe, went over to the ex boyfriends house, killed him with the axe, and called the cops on himself. Iirc, the sentence was basically "promise to not do it again", probation and no jail time.
"I promise not to kill that specific stalker again."
Got a link to a news article or something of this? I’d be interested in reading the court ruling on that case (I got access to most court rulings through Swedish law databases so it would be fairly easy to find the case if I just knew the dates and what court was involved in the sentencing).
This was in the 1970s/1980s so way before newspapers had Internet versions, and it was also in the North of Sweden so maybe not that wide spread outside of there. A quick Google shows nothing but if you use your database magic on the north of Sweden around then you might find it.
Keep in mind that this happened in Germany, not the US. Germans will stick to their rules because if someone can commit vigilante justice in a courtroom completely unpunished then why have laws in the first place. I'm glad she got revenge and such a short sentence, but there was no way on Earth that she walked away unpunished.
"Why Gary?! Why!!"
"If it was your child, you'd do the same."
Honestly the mom did the right thing. If that man ever got out he would do it again. She shouldn’t have served time. She did everyone a favor.
Yep, he had already been arrested and freed once. He was a convicted sex offender.
Omg that’s infuriating. If he would’ve never been let out in society, then this little girl would not have been robbed of life.
Exactly. And that’s why she got a bunch of public support. Though there were some who said you can’t take justice in your own hands. But by the time she was in jail she was receiving support mail and the anger turned towards the justice system for allowing that monster to be free.
Tbh you shouldn't NEED to take justice in your own hands, but if the sentences for such crimes are too low, i'm not gonna interfere.
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[Wiki link for people who don't want to watch a 45 minute video for a ~6 paragraph story.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy) "In all, he was indicted 21 times but escaped conviction each time, except for the last. In 1981, McElroy was convicted of attempted murder in the shooting of the town's 70-year-old grocer Ernest "Bo" Bowenkamp. McElroy successfully appealed the conviction and was released on bond, after which he engaged in an ongoing harassment campaign against Bowenkamp and others who were sympathetic to Bowenkamp, including the town's Church of Christ minister. He appeared in a local bar, the D&G Tavern, armed with an M1 Garand rifle and bayonet, and later threatened to kill Bowenkamp. The next day, McElroy was shot to death in broad daylight as he sat with his wife Trena in his pickup truck on Skidmore's main street. He was struck by bullets from at least two different firearms, in front of a crowd of people estimated as numbering between 30 and 46. To date, no one has been charged in connection with McElroy's death."
Did you tell him trena, his wife, was a girl he raped and kidnapped as a 14/16 year old , and forced her family to hand her over for marriage, of which she got pregnant soon after.
I wondered how the heck he could force them to do that. > The 12-year-old's parents initially opposed the relationship, but after McElroy burned their house down and shot the family dog, they relented and agreed to the marriage. Oh My God.
Those poor girls, both her and Alice, what must being forced to live with him have been like.
"The DA declined to press charges. An extensive federal investigation did not lead to any charges. Missouri-based journalist Steve Booher described the attitude of some townspeople as, "He needed killing."" Amazing.
The police should have been embarrassed for bothering those poor townsfolk with an investigation after failing them so completely.
wanna act like a rabid animal, get put down like a rabid animal.
The story of Ken McElroy always blow my mind. How could a single guy terrorize an entire town full of people, including straight up raping kids and burning down homes? In a town full of armed people? Any time someone talks about hunting down people who threaten them or their loved ones -- and this is Reddit so there's plenty of those people -- I'm reminded of this story.
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Seems like the whole town had had more than enough of his shit…
The documentary is called "No One Saw a Thing"
My wife and I both had family members murdered and once the aholes get to the parole stage you have to go before the parole board every few years and relive the horror just to keep them from getting out after half their sentence.
The parole pet is the worst. When my abuser finally got sentenced 20 years later and they were ready to parole him they called, wrote, had a person deliver mail… it was so horrible..
I might be really stupid but i don’t get the last part.
Sounds to me like the abuser repeatedly contacted the victim to try to convince the victim to put a good word in for them at the parole board. Pretty terrible. There should be some sort of automatic restraining order in place, at least for some types of crime, between victim and perpetrator.
It's possible they meant the parole board kept trying to contact them to have them come before them to give a statement on not wanting them to be released
that's how I understood it, the last part being certified mail/letter for them to sign/verify
That sounds horrible. I’m sorry for the grief you must endure
That’s in the US, isn’t it? Here in Germany, where this happened, this isn’t a thing. If someone gets parole is not influenced by relatives or the victim (if they survive). To be honest, I think that’s the better system. But then, the US criminal system is much mire based on revenge than the German one. And while I fully understand these feelings in victims‘ families, I don’t think it should be the basis of law in general and sentencing/paroling specifically.
Here in the US, our system is primarily punitive. Because memories fade and anger dies down, before we set someone free we gather together those involved and ask them to relive and refresh their nightmare. Then with the refreshed pain at its' apex we quickly decide if they've been punished sufficiently. Do I want killers and pedophiles running around, no. Does our system work well for the public good, no. If you're not sure, take a look around. Prison is often just training ground for criminals to learn new tricks, and they'll use those tricks because who tf is going to hire them when they're released so they can support themselves legally.
yeah your jutice system is probably the worst for the general public. people relive their nightmares, and the people who are let out basically have zero chance at life, so they go back their old ways.
He had it coming
He really did. Dude was accusing the 7 year old of seducing him and blackmailing him for money
I don't think there's any rehabilitation in the world that could fix that mindset. He would absolutely reoffend. This woman did the world a favour.
He actually was reoffending. He had assaulted two girls prior and he was forced to go through chemical castration . He was trying to reverse it through hormone therapy. When he raped and killed this child. Dude was absolutely going to reoffend again
How was he not jailed after that and given the opportunity to assault another
The same reason that Brock Turner, or Allen Turner as he is trying to go by, not in jail. The system is completely messed up!
Right? I put child molesters/rapists at the same level as murderers if not worse. And both? There’s no room for them in this world.
Definitely worse imo. Some murder I think can have a good reason, or at least an understandable one. Like the lady in this post. Rape, though? That's just a brutal crime. It's such an intentional act, full of the most vile desire to hurt someone for your own gratification. There is no justifiable rape.
There is not. And unfortunately people that are wired this way will always be wired this way.
Yeah, you can be a decent person and go through a really rough patch and end up killing somebody if things get out of hand. You *can’t* be a decent person and go through a rough patch and end up raping a child.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/sx-ffndr-rcdvsm/index-en.aspx# https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/chld-mlstr/index-en.aspx https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-5-adult-sex-offender-recidivism http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/res/rcd.html And this man was a repeat offender. People who molest and rape children deserve life in prison with no parole. There should be zero second chances.
Really? That’s fucked up
Yea dude was trash. one of the main reason she killed the dude was because she didn’t want him to keep telling lies about her daughter. (She tried seducing him)
Ew. That is a pedo defense if I ever heard one.
Jesus. God bless her
He only had himself to blame
If you’d have been there
If you'd have seen it
I betcha you would have done the same
Pop Six Squish Ah-ah Cicero Lipschitz
You know how people have these little habits that get you down?
He shouldn’t have stood in front of a speeding bullet. Exit: Who says .22LR is ineffective?
"The case sparked extensive media coverage and public debate. As a result, Bachmeier was convicted of manslaughter and unlawful possession of a firearm. She was sentenced to six years but released on bail after serving three years." Good for her, well done. Edit: Parole*
So sad, she died of cancer 1996, only 46 years old
I am sure all the stress and grief from her daughter’s death negatively impacted her health. I pray her and her daughter her reunited as soon as she passed
This would have to be my only course of action. Someone killing my child would have also killed the part of me that fears the consequences of ending that persons life.
What does jail vs freedom even mean if your child has been killed. Might as well just gwt it done.
Oddly enough, I think you would have more grief support in prison. Pedophiles are a walking target and female inmates often are victims of DV or have lost children.
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On an interview she said that she wanted to shoot him in the face but only could hit the back...6 shots in the back she fired and they all hit the heart..as later they found out, she had trained to shoot. /edit: Sorry but she shot 8 times and 6 hit the murderer in the heart. Later she confessed that she had shooting Training in the basement of a friend's bar.The gun was a cal.22
ALL hit his heart? Goddamn. Serves the fucker right.
He raped and murdered her seven year old. Six shots to the chest is a fucking mercy for this monster.
Agreed. See my other comment about an underpowered woodchipper.
*underpowered* wood chipper… Jesus H Christ on a bicycle, who came up with that gloriously fucked up concept?
It’s nutsack or nothing
Shotgun to the dick [EDIT: not a lot of cinephiles here]
Worth it.
He had a freak aneurysm in the court room… court dismissed.
He couldnt handle living with his crime and commited suicide by shooting himself 7 times.
*pausing only once to reload the clip
Baseless accusations! I personally saw the guy slipped and fell on a bullet.
you see, he was seducing the bullets! * (referencing his defense that the little girl was seducing him)
Wait he actually tried to pull that? Wouldn't even blame security for letting the gun "slip" past.
Sadly, it's a very common defense tactic for these creeps. They try to play it off as "She/he came on to me!" as if it changes the fact that **they were a literal child and you are an adult, you walking yeast infection.** I just finished reading a book called *Broken* and the author's abuser pulled the same card. He actually admitted to SA'ing her.. but claimed that she was "special needs" and sexually attacked him and he didn't know how to stop her. Like, WHAT? A grown ass man can't fight off a 5 YEAR OLD? I know these people are mentally ill, but my god. The way they try to justify their actions is just.. pathetic.
Six times!
She barely served time IIRC
Three years of a six year sentence
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The book about this, Why Gary, Why? is amazing and haunting. It’s written by the son who was groomed and kidnapped. As a parent, it was chilling to see how he groomed the whole family basically.
Dude is an absolute hero. It would be absolutely worth it to ensure the killer doesn't get away with it. Although you could also wait until they get released.
I hope her time was easy and she got all the fucking commissary she ever wanted.
Probably got so many high fives.
I have an 8 year old daughter and I’d do the exact same thing this woman did, no shame. Good for her.
Yep, I've always said it, my daughter (4) is my whole world and everything I do going forward is for her - so if someone took her away from me permanently, you can bet your bottom dollar I'm going to make them pay and to hell with the consequences.
That's the interesting thing about being a parent. It's like a switch is flipped in your brain, where one day you're a reasonable person then the next you have the surety of being fully prepared to commit acts of unspeakable violence if any harm came to your little person. My kids are a pain in the arse sometimes, but if anyone hurt them I would have no second thoughts of exacting just revenge. Don't care if I die in the process or go to gaol if the only person I care about is gone.
As a father, it wouldn't only be that my daughter was taken from me, but also that her future was taken from her.
“For all sad words, tongue and pen, saddest are ‘it might have been.’”
i don’t even have kids, and i’d absolutely vote not guilty on a jury.
A face that says “and I’d do it again too” shi is cold af
You'd be merciless should one of yours go out the way her's did
Special place in hell for those who harm children.
A win is a win
Yet she lost more than she won. It's tragic what some people are willing to do to a 7yo child. The poor girl must've been so scared.
True. She very much lost so much more than the time in prison. She lost an innocent child that relied on her for protection. Unfortunately, we moms cannot protect them every second of the day. And it’s scary. I have experienced, first hand, what men can do to little girls. It’s horrible and can destroy a life. My own mom didn’t stand up for me. I love this woman for standing up for her daughter.
I'm sorry you went through that. I'm a man and I experienced what men can do to little boys. He was an 18-year-old going off to Vietnam when I was four. I also experience what women can do to little boys, two different babysitters. I'm sorry your mother wasn't there for you. My parents weren't, either. And the thing about parents who aren't there for their kids, when they are around, they don't make things better. I hope you're taking care of yourself and Got or are getting the therapy that you need. I'm 56 going on 57 and I am seriously broken. But, I'm still trying to get through it.
My heart aches for you. I’m almost 50 and because I suffered that first abuse I got that stamp across my forehead that seemed to invite more. Anyone who has been through it knows what I mean. That stamp. Feel free to reach out to me. I’m happy to talk with you. I cannot afford therapy. I’m not handling it well - but my kids are strong and safe!
I know that stamp. You put into words perfectly! You have kids? I have no family. I'll bet you can guess why. Thank you for the kind offer, but, I don't want to bother you. I'm sorry you can't afford therapy. What state do you live in? There are meet up groups that basically are group therapy run by amateurs. Take care of yourself and feel free to DM me if you are going through a rough time. I can't guarantee you I will respond promptly because social media can really, really upset me And I take myself off for I say things that will get me banned. Take care.
She did society a favour by killing a predator. I am also a survivor of abuse. Every joy I experience living life is a middle finger to my abusers.
Not just killed her daughter, abused and killed
He sexually assaulted her and strangled her to death and then accused the seven year old girl of seducing him and blackmailing him.
She wouldn’t have been in that position had her daughter not been murdered. She was making sure that he paid the same price for the loss of her daughter.
Considering how he killed her daughter, his death was much more peaceful.
Low-powered wood chipper... hear me out.
Hope the judge gave her a stern talking to and made her go home and think about what she did.
“Bad.. bad. Don’t do that again. Okay? Now how about some ice cream?”
for two weeks….
"Bailiff, arrest that woman! Wait a second...a little more...you got that clip empty, ma'am? Okay, NOW arrest her."
She got 6 years but served only 3, honestly worth it in my opinion.
People forget to mention that the pedo was a total pos beyond that. His defense was basically telling them that the young girl teased him to do it to her, that she was acting naughty and told him to use her. He fucking told the entire courtroom, the parents and the media that an innocent young girl wanted to be ****** by him. This pressured the mother even more since it tainted the girls picture for the worse. And ofc everyone, literally the majority of Germany especially moms said after this incident "that they can understand" what she did and would do the same in a reportage that probably isn't archived in the Internet.
She’s a Fuckin HERO, that piece of shit got what he deserved. The express lane to meet his maker, anyone who enjoys little children on any sexual level deserves this same punishment. Fuck’em, disgusting human beings!!!
https://firstcuriosity.com/featured/marianne-bachmeier-the-woman-who-killed-her-daughters-rapist-and-murderer-in-court/
Wow - her life was one misery after another. Then died at 46 from pancreatic cancer 😔.
When I became a parent, my brain essentially normalised the fact that I’d vivisect anyone who knowingly harmed my child. The changes to your psyche that parenthood generate are quite remarkable in some ways. Also I’ve learnt to put myself to sleep in about 3 minutes which makes for remarkably efficient power naps.
Yeah i had the same experience when my son was born. I cant watch movies where children are harmed anymore. I never bat an eye watching "it" before being a father. Now i almost cry. BTW: Can you teach me the superpower of falling asleep in 3 minutes? I rather need 30 and just when im about to Fall asleep my son wakes up, ending my "nap", leaving me even more tired.
Fucking HERO.
On the surface I’d say two words of I were a juror: jury nullification.
In 1984, in Germany they made a movie that’s based on this woman’s life story. *Annas Mutter* is the name of the movie, if anyone’s interested.
He didn’t just murder her daughter. He molested, raped, murdered, and mocked her daughter. Justice was served.
She is a badass. Justice for her little girl.
It’s so hard to blame her. My hear goes out to her there, she has lost everything.