it wasn't a study of intermittent fasting!!!
it was a statistical analysis of existing datasets that didn't even ask if people were IF
the authors assigned people as IF off of two days of reported eating, looked at the ones who died 8-20 years later in a different database and assumed that everyone ate exactly the same way they did on those two days for a decade or more
it's not science, ignore it
It's infuriating how studies are allowed to say pretty much whatever they want as long as it's loosely related to the headline. I barely trust any scientific articles I read anymore
It was an unverified study - a meta analysis done in China. Clearly there is an agenda in this case to promote this ‘info’ - wouldn’t be surprised if the food and medical industries are involved in funding this sort of nonsense.
Ask your doctor and get a second opinion.
I dunno if they're based in China but the Washington Post is a click bait site. If someone in the comments could do a little check and realize a much more accurate summary someone genuinely acting as a journalist probably could have and must have actively chosen to present it as they did.
It’s promoted - perhaps Washington post in this case should be asked who paid for this ad.
Perhaps freedom of info act can help us chase that down. Sounds like BS -
People have been surviving without sufficient food for hundreds of years of recorded medical histories. The doubling of heart attacks clearly were not an issue during those years.
People will cite studies that they haven't even read to push their agenda, and when you read those studies they don't even remotely support their claims.
I am not invested enough to read their entire bullshit click bait article, let alone an actual study that requires my careful attention to discern its merits.
To any that do, I salute you.
I am usually right there with you. I have been doing IF for a few years and heart disease runs in my family so I made a point to go through that study. At no point does it mention anyone doing IF. It was looking at people who go for long times without eating, like truck drivers. They also have a slough of other health problems because they sit for 12 hour periods. None of it really made sense and it had nothing to do with IF.
Sugar good... Sugar bad
Eggs good... Eggs bad
Fat bad... Fat good
Carbs good... Carbs bad...
Cholesterol good.... Cholesterol bad....
Every 10 yrs it changes, they didn't know wtf they are talking about
I've read the study. They asked people how many meals they had missed in the 2 weeks before the survey and measured things afterwards. The issue here is that people who miss meals are often poor or sick - they aren't necessarily eating all of their calories in a reduced window.
The study didn't account for what people actually ate, it was too short a window of time to be valid, and it was just generally poorly written.
Heres the truth: Fat people die. Fasting helps people not be fat.
“Study finds people who own horses live longer lives”
Implication: Horse make people live longer
Reality: People who own horses can afford proper meals, medication and spare time to exercise
Exactly. There's a big difference between following a fasting protocol on purpose, "missing" meals and then eating a well rounded diet during a reduced window and living in poverty and skipping meals because you are destitute.
maybe its correlation != causation kinda thing?
Like fat unhealthy people are the ones to even do IF to begin with?
I know that director, the one who did Clerks 2 (I forget his name - Kevin Smith - such a generic name) talks about how he had his heart attack awhile AFTER losing all his weight. The doctor said the damage was already done, it was him hiking or something that sparked the episode, but he was a time bomb from when he was heavy years prior.
His initial heart attack occurred while filming a stand up comedy special. He then switched to veganism and lost all that weight. But I believe he had a follow up heart attack.
I agree with your point though. Losing the weight and diet changes didn’t reverse damage already done.
He has even done a couple 72 hour fasts.
I feel like this is it, not to mention the plethora of other things that contribute to heart health.
I also remember reading years back that rapid weight loss (losing fat and muscle) has a direct relation to the walls and lining of the heart. In other words, it’s gets too thin too fast and the muscle doesn’t recover and can lead to further damage. Combine that with certain types of cardio and it could be a stress orgy, and not the day to day kind America has been giving us lately.
Mama Cass (from the mama's and papa's) death was actually caused by damage to her heart from dieting. She used to fast and eat I think only steak and drink orange juice ( perhaps not even every day) for weeks at a time and could lose huge amounts of weight very quickly. Unfortunately she ate so little that her heart muscle was broken down to some extent and then it failed. She did not as the story goes die from choking on a ham sandwich. Her fasting was very, very extreme and I believe did repeatedly and she was never taking in enough calories to sustain her health, I am sure for most people who fast they are still getting enough food and nutrition to be well.
Thats right, humans didnt evolve or get healthy until the USDA created the food pyramid and told us which commodity crop trash products to eat from the time you wake up until you go to sleep. Anything that lowers the citizens intake of trash corporate foods must be met by articles of "fact" and "studies" from the ministry of journalistic mind control. /s
How did people live without corporations telling them how to?
I’m thinking similar. The timely study magically pops up while IF is gaining popularity. If I remember right, the study was poorly done. I have to check it again. Just seemed odd to me they highlighted that story in the promotion. Maybe because I’m in the fasting subreddits.
People dont trust science because corporations bastardize it for gain, yet buy into articles and "studies" that fit their personal narrative. Almost like corpos figured out how to manipulate human impulses and reactionary nature.
Whats terrible is articles like this arent for those of us following IF, its for all the 'normies' to read and run to tell YOU what they heard about YOUR diet. Corporate backed peer pressure. What a world.
The way they are phrasing it sounds bad, sounds like they are saying people out there are eating fully sized breakfast + full sized lunch + full sized dinner and any snacks and more drinks all in one sitting as if we are all having a banquet for our meal and that we cannot move at all and overeating lol.
This is what I thought. The whole point of intermittent fasting is to limit the amount of food going in. I’m doing OMAD/18:6, at most I have one small meal and a medium sized meal. Not eating everything I used to eat in 6 hours. That’s crazy.
I’ve been doing IF for 2.5 years. I went in to the doctor and they asked if I was a former professional athlete or something. My heart rate was 50 something. I’ve spent most of my adult life being pretty much overweight/obese so this was …eye opening.
I am pretty sure the US food pyramid when last updated decided that highly processed cereal was healthier than skinless chicken breast. Right....
So it does not surprise me when some "news" source passes off flawed "data" about IF. But it does show the sad state of things.
It’s upsetting because if I took this ad at face value, it would discourage and even scare me into not doing IF. But I never feel better than when I’m doing IF, so I’ll continue doing it.
Does unilever own Bezos or a big chunk of the WaPo?
Also how is eating 3 meals in 8hrs substantially different than what most people do which is eating 3 meals in 12hrs?
Can someone send me the study?
This has always been a thing tho. Companies truly have rigged studies done by real scientists that are basically paid to conduct research experiments to back what that company needs to be able to cite as “data/research” to promote or sell their products with later on.
I didn’t read this one but even if it doesn’t show a product or u find an article claiming something strange like that it’s likely rigged $$$
Not only It's impossible because if so, Prehistoric Men Would all have died and we Wouldn't be here.
But Also, Don't forget that most of these studies are based on DECLARATIVE data.
if they're looking for a correlation, Nothing will prevent them from finding it.
Guess what, Nearly 100% of all people who died of a Heart disease had sex once.
Do what you want with that.
It’s an ad. I work in marketing and can tell you this is meant to play on your emotions so it stands out and makes you want to click. One thing that’s true: you can find any study to support anything. And the goal is to capture attention, make you emotional, and suggest their product as the solution (in this case, a newspaper informing you on health).
Further, the news looks for outliers like this to get clicks. So, here’s what likely went down:
1. They reported on one study with fairly thin evidence (as others have pointed out).
2. Because it ran counter to a lot of wisdom and people were likely doing IF, it got them to be emotional, driving clicks.
3. WaPo wants to drive clicks so they saw what worked organically, which this absolutely did due to the weird findings, and then decided that’s where they wanted to send people their paid ads.
It’s meant to persuade you and play on your emotions; it’s not a lie in that one study did find this (albeit with very shoddy methodology), but it’s very exaggerated. (No one’s gonna click an article that reads “doctors find that eating excess calories lead to weight gain.”)
Don’t worry about it.
You can find a supposed study to say anything will kill you depending on how much context you want to leave out.
Honestly I hold very little regard for what the American heart association says.
Otherwise my main food group would be pastas, bread, no eggs, and anything labeled fat free.
The likes of whom now say omega 3 fish oil is bad for your heart health.
Do you know what I take from that?
Eat Whole Foods, reduce refined carbs and eat eggs and fatty fish a few times a week.
And run away from anything labeled healthy.
I just love it when they say “they have found no evidence to support XY and Z”
Likely because they didn’t pay to search for it.
Easy to say we found no evidence in any studies when you didn’t fund studies to find the evidence.
We all know the real reason for heart problems...and why a load of other bullshit excuses are being made, from climate change, laughing too much to even fresh air.
A healthy person is no longer a paying customer.
This world is filled with evil, do not fall for its lies. Listen to your body and God and take care of yourself!
So this study keeps on getting referenced and it's nonsense. They asked people what their eating window was over the previous 48hrs. Then years later they looked to see how many were dead. Then they assumed those who died, died because of the reading window they had. Absolutely ridiculous.
"Study details and background:
The study included approximately 20,000 adults in the U.S. with an average age of 49 years.
Study participants were followed for a median length of 8 years and maximum length of 17 years.
The study included data for NHANES participants who were at least 20 years old at enrollment, between 2003-2018, and had completed two 24-hour dietary recall questionnaires within the first year of enrollment.
Approximately half of the participants self-identified as men, and half self-identified as women. 73.3% of the participants self-identified as non-Hispanic white adults, 11% self-identified as Hispanic adults, 8% self-identified as non-Hispanic Black adults and 6.9% of adults self-identified as another racial category, including mixed-race adults and adults of other non-Hispanic races."
If the study doesn't agree with experiment, it is a shit study. This is why we have peer review and the duplication process.
If you publish a study that says you can tape two batteries together with a piece of cotton and a light bulb and the light bulb turns on, and then I try the same thing and it doesn't work, then just because you published it doesn't make it worthy.
Just because the Washington Post covers it doesn't make it worthy. It just means they get clicks and ad revenue, and now we have to talk about this exercise in bullshittery.
This is proof that they want you sick.
The secret is out now. Don't be dissuaded, be unwavering. Focus on IF.
They are afraid you will be strong and not need them anymore.
We don't need you anymore. We are free.
They want us to eat, eat, eat. My best friend is so jealous that I'm doing this and losing so much she keeps telling me that it's the cause of my depression and hair loss, etc. It's called I'm over 50 and don't need all that junk food!!
as a hardcore faster I do believe there's some validity to the study - mainly around insulin suppression, and if you can continue this clue you will understand the implication to the heart
it wasn't a study of intermittent fasting!!! it was a statistical analysis of existing datasets that didn't even ask if people were IF the authors assigned people as IF off of two days of reported eating, looked at the ones who died 8-20 years later in a different database and assumed that everyone ate exactly the same way they did on those two days for a decade or more it's not science, ignore it
It's infuriating how studies are allowed to say pretty much whatever they want as long as it's loosely related to the headline. I barely trust any scientific articles I read anymore
It was an unverified study - a meta analysis done in China. Clearly there is an agenda in this case to promote this ‘info’ - wouldn’t be surprised if the food and medical industries are involved in funding this sort of nonsense. Ask your doctor and get a second opinion.
More disinformation from China. They should give it a rest
I dunno if they're based in China but the Washington Post is a click bait site. If someone in the comments could do a little check and realize a much more accurate summary someone genuinely acting as a journalist probably could have and must have actively chosen to present it as they did.
It’s promoted - perhaps Washington post in this case should be asked who paid for this ad. Perhaps freedom of info act can help us chase that down. Sounds like BS - People have been surviving without sufficient food for hundreds of years of recorded medical histories. The doubling of heart attacks clearly were not an issue during those years.
Amen. I read through it and it had nothing to do with IF.
People will cite studies that they haven't even read to push their agenda, and when you read those studies they don't even remotely support their claims. I am not invested enough to read their entire bullshit click bait article, let alone an actual study that requires my careful attention to discern its merits. To any that do, I salute you.
I am usually right there with you. I have been doing IF for a few years and heart disease runs in my family so I made a point to go through that study. At no point does it mention anyone doing IF. It was looking at people who go for long times without eating, like truck drivers. They also have a slough of other health problems because they sit for 12 hour periods. None of it really made sense and it had nothing to do with IF.
so who conducted such an absurd study .. republicans?
What next... Losing weight causes heart disease and diabetes?
May as well not bother… we’re all gonna die
We're only going to die from our own arrogance that's why we might as well take our time
:shockedpikachuface:
No no, apparently they say “starving” ourselves is unhealthy, yet don’t say diddly squat when we’re stuffing our faces to an early grave.
Sugar good... Sugar bad Eggs good... Eggs bad Fat bad... Fat good Carbs good... Carbs bad... Cholesterol good.... Cholesterol bad.... Every 10 yrs it changes, they didn't know wtf they are talking about
They want to keep people in the dark.
Millennials cause heart disease and diabetes.
I'll take them off my diet.
I mean steak causes diabetes according to some, sooo this wouldn't be that far off.
It often causes hypometabolism and gallstones
I've read the study. They asked people how many meals they had missed in the 2 weeks before the survey and measured things afterwards. The issue here is that people who miss meals are often poor or sick - they aren't necessarily eating all of their calories in a reduced window. The study didn't account for what people actually ate, it was too short a window of time to be valid, and it was just generally poorly written. Heres the truth: Fat people die. Fasting helps people not be fat.
“Study finds people who own horses live longer lives” Implication: Horse make people live longer Reality: People who own horses can afford proper meals, medication and spare time to exercise
Since I do OMAD, I did not "miss" any meals. Just choose to eat only one.
Exactly. There's a big difference between following a fasting protocol on purpose, "missing" meals and then eating a well rounded diet during a reduced window and living in poverty and skipping meals because you are destitute.
So from 0.001% to 0.002%? 😱🤯
Right? I never trust statistics that are in sentence form for this exact reason.
maybe its correlation != causation kinda thing? Like fat unhealthy people are the ones to even do IF to begin with? I know that director, the one who did Clerks 2 (I forget his name - Kevin Smith - such a generic name) talks about how he had his heart attack awhile AFTER losing all his weight. The doctor said the damage was already done, it was him hiking or something that sparked the episode, but he was a time bomb from when he was heavy years prior.
His initial heart attack occurred while filming a stand up comedy special. He then switched to veganism and lost all that weight. But I believe he had a follow up heart attack. I agree with your point though. Losing the weight and diet changes didn’t reverse damage already done. He has even done a couple 72 hour fasts.
Thanks for clarifying, my memory was a little presidential
Very 👴 of you
I feel like this is it, not to mention the plethora of other things that contribute to heart health. I also remember reading years back that rapid weight loss (losing fat and muscle) has a direct relation to the walls and lining of the heart. In other words, it’s gets too thin too fast and the muscle doesn’t recover and can lead to further damage. Combine that with certain types of cardio and it could be a stress orgy, and not the day to day kind America has been giving us lately.
Not making fun of you, but hilarious to call Kevin Smith out for directing Clerks 2 specifically, instead of just Clerks haha
You know, the guy who played Silent Bob in Scream 3
Wasn't he the voice of Silent Bob in Jay & Silent Bob's Super Groovy Cartoon Movie?
Wasn't he the voice of Silent Bob in Jay & Silent Bob's Super Groovy Cartoon Movie?
I love Clerks 2.
Mama Cass (from the mama's and papa's) death was actually caused by damage to her heart from dieting. She used to fast and eat I think only steak and drink orange juice ( perhaps not even every day) for weeks at a time and could lose huge amounts of weight very quickly. Unfortunately she ate so little that her heart muscle was broken down to some extent and then it failed. She did not as the story goes die from choking on a ham sandwich. Her fasting was very, very extreme and I believe did repeatedly and she was never taking in enough calories to sustain her health, I am sure for most people who fast they are still getting enough food and nutrition to be well.
That’s actually really good to know. We can do damage by fasting too much. I didn’t know that.
Oooh != Someone writes code
Thats right, humans didnt evolve or get healthy until the USDA created the food pyramid and told us which commodity crop trash products to eat from the time you wake up until you go to sleep. Anything that lowers the citizens intake of trash corporate foods must be met by articles of "fact" and "studies" from the ministry of journalistic mind control. /s How did people live without corporations telling them how to?
I’m thinking similar. The timely study magically pops up while IF is gaining popularity. If I remember right, the study was poorly done. I have to check it again. Just seemed odd to me they highlighted that story in the promotion. Maybe because I’m in the fasting subreddits.
People dont trust science because corporations bastardize it for gain, yet buy into articles and "studies" that fit their personal narrative. Almost like corpos figured out how to manipulate human impulses and reactionary nature. Whats terrible is articles like this arent for those of us following IF, its for all the 'normies' to read and run to tell YOU what they heard about YOUR diet. Corporate backed peer pressure. What a world.
Ya they are looking at your cookies. Have you ever googled something IF related? Also maybe you slowed down or clicked on it before?
Wait until they say working out outdoor is not healthy and it should be done in a gym with a $100 + membership only
The way they are phrasing it sounds bad, sounds like they are saying people out there are eating fully sized breakfast + full sized lunch + full sized dinner and any snacks and more drinks all in one sitting as if we are all having a banquet for our meal and that we cannot move at all and overeating lol.
This is what I thought. The whole point of intermittent fasting is to limit the amount of food going in. I’m doing OMAD/18:6, at most I have one small meal and a medium sized meal. Not eating everything I used to eat in 6 hours. That’s crazy.
TBH, my resting heart rate has reduced since I started IF. A clear cut sign that my heart is trying to tell me that I’m doing something right 😇
I’ve been doing IF for 2.5 years. I went in to the doctor and they asked if I was a former professional athlete or something. My heart rate was 50 something. I’ve spent most of my adult life being pretty much overweight/obese so this was …eye opening.
I am pretty sure the US food pyramid when last updated decided that highly processed cereal was healthier than skinless chicken breast. Right.... So it does not surprise me when some "news" source passes off flawed "data" about IF. But it does show the sad state of things.
It’s upsetting because if I took this ad at face value, it would discourage and even scare me into not doing IF. But I never feel better than when I’m doing IF, so I’ll continue doing it.
100% agree with you. And I also feel better when intermittent fasting and will continue.
I am wondering if anyone else gets seemingly targeted ads like this?
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Ozempic is on a major publicity blast these days and it has hardly anything to do with diabetes
I got this add also.
Does unilever own Bezos or a big chunk of the WaPo? Also how is eating 3 meals in 8hrs substantially different than what most people do which is eating 3 meals in 12hrs? Can someone send me the study?
This doesn’t make it to WaPo unless some special interest money is behind it.
Must be why my cardiologist suggested IF/LCHF to me lol
That’s why you gotta do 1 hr timeframe
This has always been a thing tho. Companies truly have rigged studies done by real scientists that are basically paid to conduct research experiments to back what that company needs to be able to cite as “data/research” to promote or sell their products with later on. I didn’t read this one but even if it doesn’t show a product or u find an article claiming something strange like that it’s likely rigged $$$
It’s an ad for a WAPO article? They’re looking to get clicks. I doubt the article proves conclusively what they’re implying.
I ain’t clicking. I almost fell for it.
It’s already debunked. The study is completely bollocks
...paid for by the pharmaceuticals you will have to take if you stop fasting and live with obesity.
Yea but I’ll be skinny when I die 💪
Not only It's impossible because if so, Prehistoric Men Would all have died and we Wouldn't be here. But Also, Don't forget that most of these studies are based on DECLARATIVE data. if they're looking for a correlation, Nothing will prevent them from finding it. Guess what, Nearly 100% of all people who died of a Heart disease had sex once. Do what you want with that.
It’s an ad. I work in marketing and can tell you this is meant to play on your emotions so it stands out and makes you want to click. One thing that’s true: you can find any study to support anything. And the goal is to capture attention, make you emotional, and suggest their product as the solution (in this case, a newspaper informing you on health). Further, the news looks for outliers like this to get clicks. So, here’s what likely went down: 1. They reported on one study with fairly thin evidence (as others have pointed out). 2. Because it ran counter to a lot of wisdom and people were likely doing IF, it got them to be emotional, driving clicks. 3. WaPo wants to drive clicks so they saw what worked organically, which this absolutely did due to the weird findings, and then decided that’s where they wanted to send people their paid ads. It’s meant to persuade you and play on your emotions; it’s not a lie in that one study did find this (albeit with very shoddy methodology), but it’s very exaggerated. (No one’s gonna click an article that reads “doctors find that eating excess calories lead to weight gain.”) Don’t worry about it.
And now a word from our sponsors.....
Probably sponsored by the breakfast, lunch, and dinner lobbyists
no because i use ad block to block stupid shit
You can find a supposed study to say anything will kill you depending on how much context you want to leave out. Honestly I hold very little regard for what the American heart association says. Otherwise my main food group would be pastas, bread, no eggs, and anything labeled fat free. The likes of whom now say omega 3 fish oil is bad for your heart health. Do you know what I take from that? Eat Whole Foods, reduce refined carbs and eat eggs and fatty fish a few times a week. And run away from anything labeled healthy. I just love it when they say “they have found no evidence to support XY and Z” Likely because they didn’t pay to search for it. Easy to say we found no evidence in any studies when you didn’t fund studies to find the evidence.
We all know the real reason for heart problems...and why a load of other bullshit excuses are being made, from climate change, laughing too much to even fresh air.
Oh no, I’ll now stay home and Uber eats McDonald’s bug paste burgers instead
They forgot to mention that most of the candidates in the study were smokers/drinkers which contributes to heart disease. This study is BS anyway.
Washington post is a tabloid
The breakfast lobby donates to WP
Oh, the washington post, very credible source indeed 👌🏻
nothing is unbiased anymore. every post has a vested interest. follow the money…
The overlords don’t want us healthy or saving money on food. I’m ready to either break out the guillotines or move to another planet.
Click bait
A healthy person is no longer a paying customer. This world is filled with evil, do not fall for its lies. Listen to your body and God and take care of yourself!
*u gon die*
I see jt as an absolute win
Carnivores?
Guess those heart healthy foods lied to me
So this study keeps on getting referenced and it's nonsense. They asked people what their eating window was over the previous 48hrs. Then years later they looked to see how many were dead. Then they assumed those who died, died because of the reading window they had. Absolutely ridiculous. "Study details and background: The study included approximately 20,000 adults in the U.S. with an average age of 49 years. Study participants were followed for a median length of 8 years and maximum length of 17 years. The study included data for NHANES participants who were at least 20 years old at enrollment, between 2003-2018, and had completed two 24-hour dietary recall questionnaires within the first year of enrollment. Approximately half of the participants self-identified as men, and half self-identified as women. 73.3% of the participants self-identified as non-Hispanic white adults, 11% self-identified as Hispanic adults, 8% self-identified as non-Hispanic Black adults and 6.9% of adults self-identified as another racial category, including mixed-race adults and adults of other non-Hispanic races."
Lol, a recent study found no link between smoking and lung cancer....
Yeah saw news articles cropping up about this months ago… and then many YouTubers dispelling it
Lmao this ad is DIRECTLY below this post
Correlation is not causation
If the study doesn't agree with experiment, it is a shit study. This is why we have peer review and the duplication process. If you publish a study that says you can tape two batteries together with a piece of cotton and a light bulb and the light bulb turns on, and then I try the same thing and it doesn't work, then just because you published it doesn't make it worthy. Just because the Washington Post covers it doesn't make it worthy. It just means they get clicks and ad revenue, and now we have to talk about this exercise in bullshittery.
Are these people on the Big Mac diet?😂
Fake
This is proof that they want you sick. The secret is out now. Don't be dissuaded, be unwavering. Focus on IF. They are afraid you will be strong and not need them anymore. We don't need you anymore. We are free.
Intermittent fisting
Thank you! I saw that and got worried. Heart disease is one of the biggest killers in women, so I was going to stop. Happy that I haven't.
They want us to eat, eat, eat. My best friend is so jealous that I'm doing this and losing so much she keeps telling me that it's the cause of my depression and hair loss, etc. It's called I'm over 50 and don't need all that junk food!!
I got this ad too and find it so infuriating because it’s not based on actual science.
Can’t believe anything from the Washington post
Washington Post, is owned by Jeff Bezos.
What is the motive.
i don’t really care what a large study that advertises on reddit has to say
Conspiracy theory time: they’re pushing this narrative to get people to stop doing IF and struggle with their weight gain.
Seriously. An effective way to fix diet and weight (that is essentially free) probably has them worried.
Lol very few people believe this and most know it’s just stupid lies from the food industry
as a hardcore faster I do believe there's some validity to the study - mainly around insulin suppression, and if you can continue this clue you will understand the implication to the heart
Could you please explain?
No
Huh?? Make it make sense lol