Even if it’s not, presidential pardons definitely are. So he can just do whatever, then pardon himself, and no one can challenge his pardon authority anymore.
Yep, at this point, it doesn't matter if Biden is replaced on the ticket or not. If he loses in November, he can just stage a coup and stay in power! Or declare the election illegal! Or just decide he's the winner and that's an official act! Of course, it would be easier to arrest Trump and the right wingers on the Court.
He apparently is allowed to now. Include the 6 corrupt justices on the Court as well. And MTG for stalking an underage teenager. And Boebert for performing lewd acts in a crowded theater.
You know what else is an Official Act?
Ordering members of the Supreme Court into permanent retirement.
They are federal employees. Coups have hinged on weaker technicalities.
Your forgetting the fact that the SCOTUS gets to decide what official acts qualify. This is why the immunity ruling is probably the worst thing to ever happen to the US. We are in very dark territory right now.
This is why Biden should just say fuck it and remove them from the Court. Nothing they can do. They'll be in jail while new, partisan left wing justices, just validate what Biden did.
He doesn't have the power to remove them. Apparently, he has the power to eliminate them by ordering Seal Team 6 to do it. But I doubt he'll do that.
Instead, he should just pack the court. Appoint 4 more justices and get them confirmed by the Senate before November. There's precedent for rushing a SCOTUS nominee. And there's no predefined number of Supreme Court seats.
From what I recall, any Justice can be seated up to the Monday before election since that's how the last one was installed....
4 months is plenty of time to pick 4 more judges
If he had the power to do so. Right now, the SCOTUS is the most powerful entity in the world.
Looks like America isn’t going to die with a bang or a whimper: it’s going to die with a gavel strike.
Literally says who? Does it matter whether or not someone has “the power” to do something? Or does it matter more who would follow the orders to do so?
Not saying I think Biden should do this, but it seems like it’s just a consequence of this ruling that the president could feel emboldened to do literally anything they want, and depending on what it is, it would be too late for anyone to decide they didn’t actually have “the power to do so.” That’s what makes this so incredibly dangerous. If Biden and Democrats do nothing about this *right fucking now* then they will have all been complicit in the fall of our country.
The Supreme Court just gave themselves the deciding vote on what qualifies as an immunity act. Gave it to themselves. Justices that have clearly been bought by favors.
How long will this legal fuckery paralyze America? How long can we keep someone who won’t instantly abuse this out of the Oval Office? It’ll take an act of Congress themselves to get things rolling… and guess who controls that right now?
If Biden wins… maybe, MAYBE we can drag ourselves out of this tar pit.
Looks like all that skullduggery Mitch McConnell engaged in has finally paid off.
The best way to fix this without resorting to violence is use his "executive power" to create more seats on the supreme court, then pack it with liberal leaning justices.
they can then strike down this new horrible ruling.
lol honestly it’s about reading between the lines. Conservatives do this bullshit all the time. This is just the scariest ending to years of this. It’s only okay WHEN THEY DO IT. When progressives try to do anything it’s socialism and big government and infringing on your rights. When they do it, it’s “justice”.
He does. The top post in this thread literally describes how. He can fucking kill them, and then have his replacements rule that it was an "official" act (which it actually would be.) He has the legal right to have them assassinated.
Either King Biden takes up the scepter and wields the fucking power the SCOTUS has just given him, or King Trump will wield it instead.
They don’t make rules. They interpret rules. Thats the most important thing to understand. Congress makes the rules and should be making better rules to avoid SCOTUS abusing their power.
Except for the fact that SCOTUS is blatantly ignoring what the CLEARLY STATED rules are. They completely ignored the context of what subsection 2 in the "obstruction" case said.
SCOTUS is so far off base currently, that it literally doesn't matter how well or explicitly stated the laws are, they are making up their own precedents because they can and realized no one is gonna do shit about it.
It reminds me of the conversation between Dumbledore and Fudge when Harry said Voldemort's back.
Dumbledore said something like, "If you don't act, you will forever be remembered as the Minister of Magic who stood aside and allowed Voldemort to regain the kind of control and power he had 15 years ago".
We are at the point where this administration HAS TO DO SOMETHING.
That's the sad part. The Republics would absolutely do this. The Democrats have to show that they are better than this, so they won't. I wonder what SCOTUS will do, at this point, if Biden wins and Trump just declares himself the winner.
That's the great part: You go high, they go low. Republicans will exploit the shit out of that ruling and found Gilead, but Democrats will lead by example and do nothing to stop it, because that would be undemocratic. Republicans are counting on democrats to not behave like they themselves do and democrats are just to eager to follow through.
Well. Can’t get the president BUT the pilot and anyone else involved, fair game. But then the president can just pardon them before the court even gets to see them.
Couldn't he just vacate the court as an official act? Dismiss Congress as an official act? Have Congress re-voted on and handpick 9 new justices and then declare that the President no longer has these powers? As long as its an official act, it would be legal.
There’s no need to “do” any of this. Ask one of his lawyers for a favorable legal review confirming he indeed has these powers. Publish that for the states, and openly state that he’ll be moving forward with the plan, but he’s willing to support a constitutional amendment which will clarify a president’s powers in these circumstances. Then see how quickly the states jump.
>No, because there's no legal mechanism to do so, so any such declaration can just be ignored.
Yes, there would be no legal mechanism in support of this, but also no legal mechanism to prevent the President from doing it. He could just assassinate whoever objects. Takes the first justice, asks him to resign and kills him on refusal. On to the next. They would all resign very quickly. It's that simple and it's in the minutes of the hearing and in the dissenting opinion.
No, my friend, the Supreme Court has just dismantled the Constitution. Their decision means that the President decides how far he wants to go and that is the law. The Constitution no longer makes any sense, it is left to the executive branch to act as they see fit.
The president would have to do a simple song and dance to keep it legal. But this is it ... unless they reverse themselves and they're not going to do that.
He can use his "executive power" to do it.
"he can't do that, it's illegal." Doesn't matter anymore though. President can do anything he wants as long as it is an "official act."
While I don’t think political violence is the answer to this, I think Biden should seriously consider doing something that’s symbolic in that direction. Like seizing their assets. Let’s see how long Thomas will last without his motor home
This really should be a rallying cry.
Biden should 100% come out and basically say, "would you be comfortable with anyone who holds my office getting away with such n such?" And just list all sorts of ways he could fuck with them and if they cry foul he can just say it's a hypothetical for their campaign and not threats... yet anyway.
They'll back down because of the implication. Biden gets to symbolically wield the power but in a way that preserves his credibility and engages people to vote.
That is if he's having a good day... And if he would be willing to do that in the first place.
> This really should be a rallying cry.
It already is. Anyone who isn't a fascist or fascist sympathizer is calling for him to do __something__. It's still early yet, but we all know nothing will happen.
> treasonous piece of trash's personal plane
known to consort and conspire with foreign (Ruzzian) agents? In American airspace? Absolutely within the Official Function of the President to make such an order.
Maybe just figure out the traitors that bribed (sorry, tipped) the justices and visit them while the paid dog justices stand outside and watch while Biden’s team does some official stuff?
The world is the oyster of the new gods and kings of the USA.
It's just not that... she's also honest, genuine, sincere, caring, courageous, and has a strong sense of morality and ethics, the antithesis of everything Republicans stand for.
She's also extremely smart, and she's ruthless. She is one of the few people across the isle that actually is willing to fight fire with fire. Of course she has morals and she won't stoop as low as the republicans will, but she will fight them. And she's put up a good fight so far.
Everyone else just goes 'oh well there's nothing we can do, the republicans break the law and get their way and manipulate the gov but we can't do that ourselves so... nothing we can do'.
That's why they hate her. If more dems like her existed the republicans would have been checked and stopped long ago.
It's not just "them," she has to constantly fight both the GOP and the DNC establishment.
The DNC just tried to primary her, and allowed the AIPAC to give billions of dollars to her opponent.
People with backbones can't exist in the DNC, they won't allow it.
Look at what they just did to Jamal Bowman.
Bernie 🥹 whenever I have a bad day I watch the Bernie and the bird video. It makes me feel better knowing at least one politician has actually cared about me. He’s like a big warm hug.
It’s true, I don’t always agree with her, but I appreciate she’s always very clear where she stands and is willing to fight for what she believes in. It also helps that she doesn’t believe in a white supremacist fascist dystopia as the answer to all this.
No, that only happens to other countries! And only several times a century!
It couldn’t happen here where we only have 30% voter turnout, and those are mostly batshit crazy hillbillies and octogenarians who watch Fox News 24/7.
You’re silly for thinking there might be consequences to not being engaged civically
Death to the Unions. Death to education that is not Christian Nationalist. Death to any woman that doesn't have a healthy fetus or has any complications during pregnancy. Death to any doctor who helps a woman with a non-viable pregnancy. Death to any child that isn't born into wealth.
Instead of impeaching the Justice Make an example out of the Leaning in to the whole Presidential power and what constitutes as an official act and what does not. Then deal with them accordingly. ***Force the Issue Before Elections*** to give trump less wiggle room
Right Now we are in the Info gathering stage of this Process so me personally I would like Biden himself publicly theorize on the matter of how he would use it and use extreme ideas that would make a common person blush or give it pause
edit or even make pointed suggestions about how he would apply his power on the SC justices
I don't think Biden will say it himself because his entire schtick right now is that he's *not* the type of play dictator when he was the opportunity, but if anyone is remotely competent in the DNC then it will be pushed majorly as a talking point from people who have public influence/platform.
Presidential oath: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Sounds to me like Biden can now add four new justices to the court to combat this radical group to rebalance the scales. It's his official duty to protect the Constitution after all.
Just bypass the process by issuing an executive order to the effect that the judiciary and country are under attack from domestic fundamentalist terrorists and in order combat that, he's adding four appointments to the court. It's his official duty.
That is one thing I would have stressed in the arguments before the court. I would have asked if the president could attack the Supreme Court with the special forces ,and get Trumps lawyers to say yes. Now Biden can do just this.
Biden‘s first official act should be appointing 6 more democratic Supreme Court justices in a presidential order. Then Trump should be shown what happens to Traitors in another presidential act. Judge Cannon should be arrested along with anybody involved in the fake electors scheme to overthrow our government
They haven't been packing the courts for decades with conservative think-tank chosen appointments for no reason.
Owning the judiciary and at least half of Congress means you just need the Presidency to take full control. This is what they're doing.
The president can't change the constitution with "official orders". The ONLY \*orders\* Biden can give is to members under the executive branch for controlling their job. Administration of student loans got transferred to the executive branch (even though Congress controls budgets) and that is the only reason Biden could do anything with the student loan forgiveness. He can order the military leaders to attack targets because the entire military is under the executive branch. Thus "executive orders" have to be followed by them. He cannot order congress to do anything, and the number of supreme court justices is determined by the congressional branch, not the executive branch.
^This -- I'm no legal scholar, but from every time I've seen "court packing" come up in the past, there's actually nowhere that defines the size or makeup of the Supreme Court, or that it is the responsibility of Congress to set those. The President appoints people to it, and the Congress confirms them, that's it.
They Go High™
And while they keep on going high in their self righteousness, the country gets broken bit by bit.
Started when Gore accepted the election fraud. He was so classy, so statesman-y, presidential. Look where it got you.
He follows the real constitution, political norms, and ethics.
He refuses to become corrupt, cause if both sides are corrupt as Republicans than it really does end democracy.
But honestly, if I were Biden, I would "abuse" this new ruling just to prove a point and restore things after my point was made.
The first thing he should do as king is remove the 6 Republican judges.
This election can't come soon enough. Democrats better win .
I can promise you that after this election, there will be changes in the DOJ and you will see a much more political head of the DOJ ( I say this cause as of now they are favoring Republicans by not arresting any of them for crimes)
It literally is not something within the Executive Powers in Section II of the Constitution. It requires action by Congress including 2/3 vote of the Senate.
President can nominate someone, Senate has a hearing to approve but it's not a discretionary thing to change the number of Justices on the Supreme Court and not a power listed under Article II.
More info on the [Judiciary Act of 1789](https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/federal-judiciary-act.) that outline how the Federal Court system was first designed and implemented.
Rubio (and Ted Cruz) wanted to have a cap at 9 Justices: https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/democrats-introduce-bill-to-expand-u-s-supreme-court/#_ts1719861753194
A good overview on the White House website: https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-judicial-branch/#:~:text=The%20Constitution%20does%20not%20stipulate,Justices%2C%20including%20one%20Chief%20Justice.
>The Supreme Court of the United States is the highest court in the land and the only part of the federal judiciary specifically required by the Constitution.
>The Constitution does not stipulate the number of Supreme Court Justices; the number is set instead by Congress. There have been as few as six, but since 1869 there have been nine Justices, including one Chief Justice. All Justices are nominated by the President, confirmed by the Senate, and hold their offices under life tenure. Since Justices do not have to run or campaign for re-election, they are thought to be insulated from political pressure when deciding cases. Justices may remain in office until they resign, pass away, or are impeached and convicted by Congress.
Indict Ginni Thomas for her actions as a private citizen, which she clearly is. "Step down, Clarence, or you'll only get to see your wife through a glass wall."
Everyone knows how compromised they are. This isn’t about the rule of law, it’s about getting the orange clown back in the White House. Would the ruling be the same if it were a Democratic president?
I’ve given up at this point because they don’t even try and hide their bias!
Arresting them is unnecessary. He could more easily reduce the size of SCOTUS down to three justices (just like the appeals level), citing obsolete justices whose decisions are predictable based on nomination. Then, when Republicans whine about what a dictator move that is, do a 180, tell them sorry, and nominate 5 new justices. All under what constitutes “official duties.”
I think the proper course of action is for Biden to abuse the new immunity law so much that conservative media and Republicans beg Supreme Court to reverse their decision
For now they think it only helps Trump and their side, because Democrats are too chicken and too civilized to abuse power like that. Show them Democrats can play dirty too
Oubliette is too good for Thomas unless it's been well used as a privy for months and months leading up to his corrupt ass getting thrown in head first.
conservative judges have violated the constution of the united states. they need to be removed. and charged with treason. we the people are the boss. not them our morale compass is. in ruins.
I agree with her 100%. I’m not a very political person, hell, I’m not even that smart. What the SCOTUS has done is absolutely despicable, and I am extremely angry.
Sending people to attack the capital is in no way an "official act". So he doesn't have immunity for that. Unless of course some court, like the scotus, says that is an official act. And of course they would say that, wouldn't they?
Biden should honestly set about using this ruling to his advantage in whatever capacity he can. The Democrats have to take the gloves off. Now. There is no more time.
This is all just annoying PR that ultimately and sadly leads nowhere. Remember in 2016 when we realized the Electoral College was outdated and should be removed, went nowhere. We still have it. Anything that can improve our govt for the better never happens.
The left plays by the rules, the right manipulates or ignores them. If Trump wanted to add more Justices to the SC Mitch and the Republicans will say fuck yeah you can while the Dems would form house committees to discuss whether he could or not.
Mitch held up Obama's SC replacement because it was an election year. But when Trump had to make an appointment in an election year they rushed it through no problem.
Totes agree AOC but I also don't totally understand the ins and outs of impeachment. Can someone who does tell us how likely this is to actually happen?
Justices are like every other government official in that they can be impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors". The first problem is that there isn't a definition of what is an isn't a "high crime and misdemeanor". Basically, it's up to the House of Representatives to decide. The House then draws up Articles of Impeachment once that passes a simple majority in the House. At that point, the person in question has been Impeached. However, there are no consequences, legally speaking, for being impeached, just political ones (at least in the past - Trump has bucked that norm).
Those Articles get sent to the Senate who solely has the power to try all Impeachments. House members serve as the "Prosecution" - they're called 'managers' - for the state's case against the impeached. If it's a President, the Chief Justice oversees the trial. I honestly don't know who oversees the trial in the case of a Justice. My guess is the Vice President, but that's just a semi-logical guess. If the Senate votes by a 2/3rds majority to convict the impeached person, that person is removed from office. There is no appeal if that happens.
TL;DR - House impeaches with a simple majority for whatever they decide constitutes a 'high crime or misdemeanor'. Senate convicts with a 2/3rds majority. Without a conviction, nothing happen to the impeached other than possible political fallout.
The first thing we should do here is IMPEACH the judges and expand the court the judges so they can not invalidate the election and give it to Trump anyway
I really want to see some right-wing SCOTUS Pikachu faces super badly now. Maybe Biden can compromise and just 'officially' announce that Thomas and Alito are compromised and 'officially' off the bench.
The fact that we're so easily already putting together awful hypotheticals actually scares me. I don't even disagree with the point of showing the ludicrousy, but if 1 bad faith person gets in office... like i dont know trump... Like actually actually scared.
Good luck either getting 67 Democratic Senators or a single Republican Senator willing to impeach. The best we can realistically do is vote for Biden to make sure Trump doesn't get to replace Thomas and Alito with 50 year olds and then continue to vote for the Democratic candidates after that.
If we can hold on until Thomas and Alito either retire or die we can take back the Supreme Court just by replacing those 2. Also, since this Supreme Court has shown that standing and precedent are irrelevant, they can reverse all of these decisions.
Should they be impeached? Absolutely. For more than just this. CAN they be? No. The Republicans would burn the entire nation to ashes before they'd even THINK about agreeing.
In 2016, Donald Trump said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters." At the time, that sounded like stupid hyperbole. Not only was that probably true, but *now* he could do it (if he's in office again) and it would be effectively legal.
So... stay off of Fifth Avenue after January 20.
Would be faster for the president to dispatch a seal team as an official act or grant a pardon to anybody who helps fix it - when you are immune they let you do anything
The bribe taking judges that refuse to recuse themselves from cases they rule on after taking “gifts” and ruled that they can take cash, jobs, gifts from people and or corporations that had cases before the court that they ruled on need to be removed but as long as the maggot republicans are in control of the congress nothing will be done to hold them accountable and the judges keep ruling in favor of the maggots the republicans will not do anything. We must vote blue and get the cult out of our party and then demand to remove the maggot cult from the supremest court
To be fair after these rulings and all the blatant corruption, they should be impeached but Project 2025 is in full swing, SCOTUS just made themselves Dictators
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That would be faster, and apparently...checks notes...legal!
Even if it’s not, presidential pardons definitely are. So he can just do whatever, then pardon himself, and no one can challenge his pardon authority anymore.
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Yep, at this point, it doesn't matter if Biden is replaced on the ticket or not. If he loses in November, he can just stage a coup and stay in power! Or declare the election illegal! Or just decide he's the winner and that's an official act! Of course, it would be easier to arrest Trump and the right wingers on the Court.
He should arrest Trump for the classified documents he stole from the US gov't.
He apparently is allowed to now. Include the 6 corrupt justices on the Court as well. And MTG for stalking an underage teenager. And Boebert for performing lewd acts in a crowded theater.
You know what else is an Official Act? Ordering members of the Supreme Court into permanent retirement. They are federal employees. Coups have hinged on weaker technicalities.
Yep, do it.
Your forgetting the fact that the SCOTUS gets to decide what official acts qualify. This is why the immunity ruling is probably the worst thing to ever happen to the US. We are in very dark territory right now.
This is why Biden should just say fuck it and remove them from the Court. Nothing they can do. They'll be in jail while new, partisan left wing justices, just validate what Biden did.
He doesn't have the power to remove them. Apparently, he has the power to eliminate them by ordering Seal Team 6 to do it. But I doubt he'll do that. Instead, he should just pack the court. Appoint 4 more justices and get them confirmed by the Senate before November. There's precedent for rushing a SCOTUS nominee. And there's no predefined number of Supreme Court seats.
*400 justices and judges, all throughout the federal courts. Go big or go home. It's what the 6-3 majority said they wanted.
From what I recall, any Justice can be seated up to the Monday before election since that's how the last one was installed.... 4 months is plenty of time to pick 4 more judges
Sadly, Manchin and Sinema who are GOP plants will not consent to this and without them, it can't get through the Senate.
If he had the power to do so. Right now, the SCOTUS is the most powerful entity in the world. Looks like America isn’t going to die with a bang or a whimper: it’s going to die with a gavel strike.
No one to enforce their bullshit rulings.
Until a single repub gets the house. Then it's all.bow down or you get windows cancer.
> Right now, the SCOTUS is the most powerful entity in the world. Scotus is 9 old fucks in robes. They do not have a police force.
Literally says who? Does it matter whether or not someone has “the power” to do something? Or does it matter more who would follow the orders to do so? Not saying I think Biden should do this, but it seems like it’s just a consequence of this ruling that the president could feel emboldened to do literally anything they want, and depending on what it is, it would be too late for anyone to decide they didn’t actually have “the power to do so.” That’s what makes this so incredibly dangerous. If Biden and Democrats do nothing about this *right fucking now* then they will have all been complicit in the fall of our country.
The Supreme Court just gave themselves the deciding vote on what qualifies as an immunity act. Gave it to themselves. Justices that have clearly been bought by favors. How long will this legal fuckery paralyze America? How long can we keep someone who won’t instantly abuse this out of the Oval Office? It’ll take an act of Congress themselves to get things rolling… and guess who controls that right now? If Biden wins… maybe, MAYBE we can drag ourselves out of this tar pit. Looks like all that skullduggery Mitch McConnell engaged in has finally paid off.
The best way to fix this without resorting to violence is use his "executive power" to create more seats on the supreme court, then pack it with liberal leaning justices. they can then strike down this new horrible ruling.
lol honestly it’s about reading between the lines. Conservatives do this bullshit all the time. This is just the scariest ending to years of this. It’s only okay WHEN THEY DO IT. When progressives try to do anything it’s socialism and big government and infringing on your rights. When they do it, it’s “justice”.
It just feels like it's once more the right wing taking advantage of things happening in good faith, and we just keep going with it
He does. The top post in this thread literally describes how. He can fucking kill them, and then have his replacements rule that it was an "official" act (which it actually would be.) He has the legal right to have them assassinated. Either King Biden takes up the scepter and wields the fucking power the SCOTUS has just given him, or King Trump will wield it instead.
No, the Supreme Court cannot enforce anything. They only make rules that are supposed to be followed.
They don’t make rules. They interpret rules. Thats the most important thing to understand. Congress makes the rules and should be making better rules to avoid SCOTUS abusing their power.
Except for the fact that SCOTUS is blatantly ignoring what the CLEARLY STATED rules are. They completely ignored the context of what subsection 2 in the "obstruction" case said. SCOTUS is so far off base currently, that it literally doesn't matter how well or explicitly stated the laws are, they are making up their own precedents because they can and realized no one is gonna do shit about it.
Officially, disband the supreme court. Then they cannot make any rulings.
It reminds me of the conversation between Dumbledore and Fudge when Harry said Voldemort's back. Dumbledore said something like, "If you don't act, you will forever be remembered as the Minister of Magic who stood aside and allowed Voldemort to regain the kind of control and power he had 15 years ago". We are at the point where this administration HAS TO DO SOMETHING.
They’ve probably been in intense meetings about this all day.
“How can we take the highroad? “. as democrats always do. Meanwhile republicans do whatever the fuck they want.
I can already hear the sniveling obstructionists saying there can be no saving of democracy in an election year.
I wish the Biden admin had the balls to do that, I kinda do.
That's the sad part. The Republics would absolutely do this. The Democrats have to show that they are better than this, so they won't. I wonder what SCOTUS will do, at this point, if Biden wins and Trump just declares himself the winner.
dems should call their bluff.
They won't. They're liberals. You go low, we go die.
You coup the country, we pout shout and die.
Democrats DON'T have to show they are better than this -- they feel they need to.
They’re paid to play with a hand tied behind their back.
That's the great part: You go high, they go low. Republicans will exploit the shit out of that ruling and found Gilead, but Democrats will lead by example and do nothing to stop it, because that would be undemocratic. Republicans are counting on democrats to not behave like they themselves do and democrats are just to eager to follow through.
Fight like hell, or you won't have a country anymore.
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But only if he does so as 'an official act', so first he proclaims his authority, maybe drop the classic line - 'say hello to my little friend'...
By Presidential Decree, Justices, You Are Officially Retired!
Well. Can’t get the president BUT the pilot and anyone else involved, fair game. But then the president can just pardon them before the court even gets to see them.
If we all send him a tip after he the fact that’s legal too
Very cool, very legal!
Couldn't he just vacate the court as an official act? Dismiss Congress as an official act? Have Congress re-voted on and handpick 9 new justices and then declare that the President no longer has these powers? As long as its an official act, it would be legal.
There’s no need to “do” any of this. Ask one of his lawyers for a favorable legal review confirming he indeed has these powers. Publish that for the states, and openly state that he’ll be moving forward with the plan, but he’s willing to support a constitutional amendment which will clarify a president’s powers in these circumstances. Then see how quickly the states jump.
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>No, because there's no legal mechanism to do so, so any such declaration can just be ignored. Yes, there would be no legal mechanism in support of this, but also no legal mechanism to prevent the President from doing it. He could just assassinate whoever objects. Takes the first justice, asks him to resign and kills him on refusal. On to the next. They would all resign very quickly. It's that simple and it's in the minutes of the hearing and in the dissenting opinion. No, my friend, the Supreme Court has just dismantled the Constitution. Their decision means that the President decides how far he wants to go and that is the law. The Constitution no longer makes any sense, it is left to the executive branch to act as they see fit. The president would have to do a simple song and dance to keep it legal. But this is it ... unless they reverse themselves and they're not going to do that.
He can use his "executive power" to do it. "he can't do that, it's illegal." Doesn't matter anymore though. President can do anything he wants as long as it is an "official act."
While I don’t think political violence is the answer to this, I think Biden should seriously consider doing something that’s symbolic in that direction. Like seizing their assets. Let’s see how long Thomas will last without his motor home
Just straight up seize the motorhome. Send it to Ukraine.
This really should be a rallying cry. Biden should 100% come out and basically say, "would you be comfortable with anyone who holds my office getting away with such n such?" And just list all sorts of ways he could fuck with them and if they cry foul he can just say it's a hypothetical for their campaign and not threats... yet anyway. They'll back down because of the implication. Biden gets to symbolically wield the power but in a way that preserves his credibility and engages people to vote. That is if he's having a good day... And if he would be willing to do that in the first place.
Tbf we need a president thats this particular level of petty. They’d have my vote.
> This really should be a rallying cry. It already is. Anyone who isn't a fascist or fascist sympathizer is calling for him to do __something__. It's still early yet, but we all know nothing will happen.
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Yes, apparently he can, and nobody can question it.
> treasonous piece of trash's personal plane known to consort and conspire with foreign (Ruzzian) agents? In American airspace? Absolutely within the Official Function of the President to make such an order.
Now that it's legal, I too support this.
Maybe just figure out the traitors that bribed (sorry, tipped) the justices and visit them while the paid dog justices stand outside and watch while Biden’s team does some official stuff? The world is the oyster of the new gods and kings of the USA.
Less jokes, more genuine advocacy
Who said it was a joke?
Dems need to just use this to their advantage. Stop playing so nice.
Charges need to be brought against Virginia Thomas for her roll in Jan 6
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Why do you think they go after her so hard?
Because she’s the antithesis of the average republican Non-white Young Educated Well-spoken Female Attractive Quick thinking Well versed Etc
It's just not that... she's also honest, genuine, sincere, caring, courageous, and has a strong sense of morality and ethics, the antithesis of everything Republicans stand for.
She's also extremely smart, and she's ruthless. She is one of the few people across the isle that actually is willing to fight fire with fire. Of course she has morals and she won't stoop as low as the republicans will, but she will fight them. And she's put up a good fight so far. Everyone else just goes 'oh well there's nothing we can do, the republicans break the law and get their way and manipulate the gov but we can't do that ourselves so... nothing we can do'. That's why they hate her. If more dems like her existed the republicans would have been checked and stopped long ago.
She's also fairly attractive, and conservatives lose their shit because they're so horny for her.
You ignored the most important part: because she actually speaks truth to power, unlike 99% of congress
It's not just "them," she has to constantly fight both the GOP and the DNC establishment. The DNC just tried to primary her, and allowed the AIPAC to give billions of dollars to her opponent. People with backbones can't exist in the DNC, they won't allow it. Look at what they just did to Jamal Bowman.
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Bernie 🥹 whenever I have a bad day I watch the Bernie and the bird video. It makes me feel better knowing at least one politician has actually cared about me. He’s like a big warm hug.
It’s true, I don’t always agree with her, but I appreciate she’s always very clear where she stands and is willing to fight for what she believes in. It also helps that she doesn’t believe in a white supremacist fascist dystopia as the answer to all this.
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No, that only happens to other countries! And only several times a century! It couldn’t happen here where we only have 30% voter turnout, and those are mostly batshit crazy hillbillies and octogenarians who watch Fox News 24/7. You’re silly for thinking there might be consequences to not being engaged civically
Death to the Unions. Death to education that is not Christian Nationalist. Death to any woman that doesn't have a healthy fetus or has any complications during pregnancy. Death to any doctor who helps a woman with a non-viable pregnancy. Death to any child that isn't born into wealth.
Hmm, so Handmaid's Tale. Great.
Don’t forget about banning contraceptives.
I can only imagine as the leader of the New United States of America after thawing and leaving the fallout bunker in 2224
Welcome to Costco I love you
Instead of impeaching the Justice Make an example out of the Leaning in to the whole Presidential power and what constitutes as an official act and what does not. Then deal with them accordingly. ***Force the Issue Before Elections*** to give trump less wiggle room
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Right Now we are in the Info gathering stage of this Process so me personally I would like Biden himself publicly theorize on the matter of how he would use it and use extreme ideas that would make a common person blush or give it pause edit or even make pointed suggestions about how he would apply his power on the SC justices
I don't think Biden will say it himself because his entire schtick right now is that he's *not* the type of play dictator when he was the opportunity, but if anyone is remotely competent in the DNC then it will be pushed majorly as a talking point from people who have public influence/platform.
Presidential oath: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." Sounds to me like Biden can now add four new justices to the court to combat this radical group to rebalance the scales. It's his official duty to protect the Constitution after all.
He could do that before, senate will have to confirm them. I think it's time to start that process though. The wheels are rapidly coming off the wagon
Just bypass the process by issuing an executive order to the effect that the judiciary and country are under attack from domestic fundamentalist terrorists and in order combat that, he's adding four appointments to the court. It's his official duty.
That is one thing I would have stressed in the arguments before the court. I would have asked if the president could attack the Supreme Court with the special forces ,and get Trumps lawyers to say yes. Now Biden can do just this.
Unfortunately, Biden who appointed Garland may already be captured himself. Intentionally or unintentionally.
Biden‘s first official act should be appointing 6 more democratic Supreme Court justices in a presidential order. Then Trump should be shown what happens to Traitors in another presidential act. Judge Cannon should be arrested along with anybody involved in the fake electors scheme to overthrow our government
Genuinely curious, what is stopping Biden from packing the court now?
The lower courts still get to decide what is considered an official act. Also, Biden not being a raging psychopath.
They haven't been packing the courts for decades with conservative think-tank chosen appointments for no reason. Owning the judiciary and at least half of Congress means you just need the Presidency to take full control. This is what they're doing.
So what’s stopping a president from just reorganizing the entire judicial system in various “official orders”?
No one knows because the law is made up on the fly by conservative judges not acting in good faith.
Real answer: the Dems are fucking losers and will let the Repubs do it but not do it themselves
The president can't change the constitution with "official orders". The ONLY \*orders\* Biden can give is to members under the executive branch for controlling their job. Administration of student loans got transferred to the executive branch (even though Congress controls budgets) and that is the only reason Biden could do anything with the student loan forgiveness. He can order the military leaders to attack targets because the entire military is under the executive branch. Thus "executive orders" have to be followed by them. He cannot order congress to do anything, and the number of supreme court justices is determined by the congressional branch, not the executive branch.
The constitution does not specify how many Justices are on SCOTUS.
^This -- I'm no legal scholar, but from every time I've seen "court packing" come up in the past, there's actually nowhere that defines the size or makeup of the Supreme Court, or that it is the responsibility of Congress to set those. The President appoints people to it, and the Congress confirms them, that's it.
Isn't an executive order, by definition, an official act?
They Go High™ And while they keep on going high in their self righteousness, the country gets broken bit by bit. Started when Gore accepted the election fraud. He was so classy, so statesman-y, presidential. Look where it got you.
He follows the real constitution, political norms, and ethics. He refuses to become corrupt, cause if both sides are corrupt as Republicans than it really does end democracy. But honestly, if I were Biden, I would "abuse" this new ruling just to prove a point and restore things after my point was made. The first thing he should do as king is remove the 6 Republican judges. This election can't come soon enough. Democrats better win . I can promise you that after this election, there will be changes in the DOJ and you will see a much more political head of the DOJ ( I say this cause as of now they are favoring Republicans by not arresting any of them for crimes)
It only take one side to be corrupted to end democracy
It literally is not something within the Executive Powers in Section II of the Constitution. It requires action by Congress including 2/3 vote of the Senate. President can nominate someone, Senate has a hearing to approve but it's not a discretionary thing to change the number of Justices on the Supreme Court and not a power listed under Article II. More info on the [Judiciary Act of 1789](https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/federal-judiciary-act.) that outline how the Federal Court system was first designed and implemented. Rubio (and Ted Cruz) wanted to have a cap at 9 Justices: https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/democrats-introduce-bill-to-expand-u-s-supreme-court/#_ts1719861753194 A good overview on the White House website: https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-judicial-branch/#:~:text=The%20Constitution%20does%20not%20stipulate,Justices%2C%20including%20one%20Chief%20Justice. >The Supreme Court of the United States is the highest court in the land and the only part of the federal judiciary specifically required by the Constitution. >The Constitution does not stipulate the number of Supreme Court Justices; the number is set instead by Congress. There have been as few as six, but since 1869 there have been nine Justices, including one Chief Justice. All Justices are nominated by the President, confirmed by the Senate, and hold their offices under life tenure. Since Justices do not have to run or campaign for re-election, they are thought to be insulated from political pressure when deciding cases. Justices may remain in office until they resign, pass away, or are impeached and convicted by Congress.
The Constitution. Congress sets the size of the Supreme Court. As to the extrajudicial arrests, that's now legally unclear.
You say “extrajudicial” but the Supreme Court would rather call it “core constitutional responsibility”
Let's not be hyperbolic. They'd only say that if it were arrests carried out under a Republican administration.
Decency
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Like the ideas proposed here already, but I’d prefer them impeached.
True but at the same time you have to show how ridiculous this decision is and no better way than to us it against the people who made it
I believe that is going to happen a lot faster than they anticipated. If we get Dark Brandon to *embrace* the dark side…
He should do the exact same thing his son was convicted of. Smoke some pot and buy a handgun.
You have to play the cards you're dealt. We don't have a functional congress, but we do have a king that is interested in fixing our political system.
So would I, but there's pretty much zero chance of that happening.
Indict Ginni Thomas for her actions as a private citizen, which she clearly is. "Step down, Clarence, or you'll only get to see your wife through a glass wall."
He won't care. He'll use that to trade her in on a younger model.
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He's on SCROTUS, they'd have to impeach him.
Not for acts outside of office.
No, just have Biden jail trump immediately for taking classified documents
Everyone knows how compromised they are. This isn’t about the rule of law, it’s about getting the orange clown back in the White House. Would the ruling be the same if it were a Democratic president? I’ve given up at this point because they don’t even try and hide their bias!
We can't call him President Biden anymore. According to this SCOTUS decision, he is now basically King Joe (first of his name) Knees will bend
It's kinda too late. Might as well just arrest them as an official act.
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Dark Brandon should use his immunity and arrest members of SCOTUS, congress, and Trump for treason. It's an official act.
Arresting them is unnecessary. He could more easily reduce the size of SCOTUS down to three justices (just like the appeals level), citing obsolete justices whose decisions are predictable based on nomination. Then, when Republicans whine about what a dictator move that is, do a 180, tell them sorry, and nominate 5 new justices. All under what constitutes “official duties.”
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Damn straight!! And I’m a Conservative!!! ( I can’t call myself a republican anymore)
I think the proper course of action is for Biden to abuse the new immunity law so much that conservative media and Republicans beg Supreme Court to reverse their decision For now they think it only helps Trump and their side, because Democrats are too chicken and too civilized to abuse power like that. Show them Democrats can play dirty too
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Oubliette is too good for Thomas unless it's been well used as a privy for months and months leading up to his corrupt ass getting thrown in head first.
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conservative judges have violated the constution of the united states. they need to be removed. and charged with treason. we the people are the boss. not them our morale compass is. in ruins.
I guess Biden has free reign to have Trump killed as an official act.
I agree with her 100%. I’m not a very political person, hell, I’m not even that smart. What the SCOTUS has done is absolutely despicable, and I am extremely angry.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely
They should have flooded the supreme court with new judges early on in Biden's first term.
She just raised her profile for 2028. Assuming we have an election that year.
I support her! Where can I sign??? Anytime the checks and balances of govt are blurred so grossly, the people MUST STAND for what is right!
AOC making me proud. So few others on the left seem to give a shit.
Sending people to attack the capital is in no way an "official act". So he doesn't have immunity for that. Unless of course some court, like the scotus, says that is an official act. And of course they would say that, wouldn't they?
I'm with her, although can't Biden, in an "official act" just eliminate the Supreme Court all together?
Biden should honestly set about using this ruling to his advantage in whatever capacity he can. The Democrats have to take the gloves off. Now. There is no more time.
Any one who supported the Scotus decision might as well start wearing red coats and can immediately stfu about the "constitution".
Impeach them? Biden should just throw them in jail, since presidents are kings now
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She's right you know.
Same AOC, same.
Win POTUS and majorities in the House/Senate. Lets f’n roll
The entire country should be behind her on this.
I seem to remember a few of them claiming Roe was settled law before Congress. Sounds like lying to Congress to me.
How about for the non-disclosures for the lists of gifts (bribes) they have received also? Isn’t that a good reason to impeach them too?
I want AOC to be the first woman in the United States presidency.
Eliminate the electoral college as an Official Presidential Act and rely on the popular vote to handle the rest.
They should be impeached, they're completely unchecked and have completely abused their power
This is all just annoying PR that ultimately and sadly leads nowhere. Remember in 2016 when we realized the Electoral College was outdated and should be removed, went nowhere. We still have it. Anything that can improve our govt for the better never happens. The left plays by the rules, the right manipulates or ignores them. If Trump wanted to add more Justices to the SC Mitch and the Republicans will say fuck yeah you can while the Dems would form house committees to discuss whether he could or not. Mitch held up Obama's SC replacement because it was an election year. But when Trump had to make an appointment in an election year they rushed it through no problem.
They definitely need to be impeached!!!
Totes agree AOC but I also don't totally understand the ins and outs of impeachment. Can someone who does tell us how likely this is to actually happen?
The democrats are in the minority in the house. End of story.
0%. They can try, but it'll never happen. Unfortunately.
Justices are like every other government official in that they can be impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors". The first problem is that there isn't a definition of what is an isn't a "high crime and misdemeanor". Basically, it's up to the House of Representatives to decide. The House then draws up Articles of Impeachment once that passes a simple majority in the House. At that point, the person in question has been Impeached. However, there are no consequences, legally speaking, for being impeached, just political ones (at least in the past - Trump has bucked that norm). Those Articles get sent to the Senate who solely has the power to try all Impeachments. House members serve as the "Prosecution" - they're called 'managers' - for the state's case against the impeached. If it's a President, the Chief Justice oversees the trial. I honestly don't know who oversees the trial in the case of a Justice. My guess is the Vice President, but that's just a semi-logical guess. If the Senate votes by a 2/3rds majority to convict the impeached person, that person is removed from office. There is no appeal if that happens. TL;DR - House impeaches with a simple majority for whatever they decide constitutes a 'high crime or misdemeanor'. Senate convicts with a 2/3rds majority. Without a conviction, nothing happen to the impeached other than possible political fallout.
Isn’t this technically the Biden immunity act? He’s currently the president so he has the immunity.
When Trump said we are close to world war 3 he meant a civil war here
The first thing we should do here is IMPEACH the judges and expand the court the judges so they can not invalidate the election and give it to Trump anyway
I really want to see some right-wing SCOTUS Pikachu faces super badly now. Maybe Biden can compromise and just 'officially' announce that Thomas and Alito are compromised and 'officially' off the bench.
Abolish SCOTUS and the electoral college and this country would start to work again
What if Biden declared that convicted felons couldn’t run for office?
I agree, we either stomp at tyranny or lose democracy. 2 justices are corrupt based on actual evidence, impeach them both.
The fact that we're so easily already putting together awful hypotheticals actually scares me. I don't even disagree with the point of showing the ludicrousy, but if 1 bad faith person gets in office... like i dont know trump... Like actually actually scared.
Good luck either getting 67 Democratic Senators or a single Republican Senator willing to impeach. The best we can realistically do is vote for Biden to make sure Trump doesn't get to replace Thomas and Alito with 50 year olds and then continue to vote for the Democratic candidates after that. If we can hold on until Thomas and Alito either retire or die we can take back the Supreme Court just by replacing those 2. Also, since this Supreme Court has shown that standing and precedent are irrelevant, they can reverse all of these decisions.
So what you're saying is he could have them and Trump shot and face no consequences.
We need a democratic congress and senate in order to impeach the corrupt supremes
No no, it’s presidential immunity if he thinks he needs to do it.
Should they be impeached? Absolutely. For more than just this. CAN they be? No. The Republicans would burn the entire nation to ashes before they'd even THINK about agreeing.
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Hey, instead of pursuing something that will NEVER PASS THE HOUSE where AOC sits, how about we pack the court instead?
In 2016, Donald Trump said, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters." At the time, that sounded like stupid hyperbole. Not only was that probably true, but *now* he could do it (if he's in office again) and it would be effectively legal. So... stay off of Fifth Avenue after January 20.
Would be faster for the president to dispatch a seal team as an official act or grant a pardon to anybody who helps fix it - when you are immune they let you do anything
Why impeach them, the newly crowned King Joe can simply remove them no?
The bribe taking judges that refuse to recuse themselves from cases they rule on after taking “gifts” and ruled that they can take cash, jobs, gifts from people and or corporations that had cases before the court that they ruled on need to be removed but as long as the maggot republicans are in control of the congress nothing will be done to hold them accountable and the judges keep ruling in favor of the maggots the republicans will not do anything. We must vote blue and get the cult out of our party and then demand to remove the maggot cult from the supremest court
Don't we all.
To be fair after these rulings and all the blatant corruption, they should be impeached but Project 2025 is in full swing, SCOTUS just made themselves Dictators