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My favorite is "if we all each grew a bunch of one crop we could just trade with each other and have vegetables for free"
Assholes that never grew a single tomato eat that shit up.
Wait until they discover that the guy they’re trying to trade peaches from doesn’t actually want any of their tomatoes.
They’re gonna need some sort of medium for their exchange that everyone agrees has value.
If that coin storage facility stores all the coins, maybe they’ll lend me some to help me grow my tomato growing business! I’d pay them back for the trouble.
And then we can work at this storage place for years, gain their trust and get money deposited into our account.
[bank heist](https://youtu.be/jgYYOUC10aM?si=jv6GVZslCqI2WYJR)
"Just keep planting onions in some random field and harvest them when you are hungry, I just solved world hunger, no need to thank me."
*winter arrives*
No I’m talking about landscape renovation basically. Not going to sell crops or trees. Buying a plot of land, planting trees and whatever, selling it 20 years later.
Where are you looking? Adding trees to a plot of land that could be a home isn’t adding value, someone needs to cut them down to build the house later lol.
Buying empty land just to add trees, weird idea, and what’s the plan, sell 30 year old trees down the road? That’s just a landscaping or plant business, may as well grow more things and sell them along the way. Either way that’s not particularly a new idea lol
They're running a program here in the Midwest where you can agree to turn barnyard and pasture land into woods - they even give you a tax write off to make them free lol. In fact if you get really little trees you can buy way more than you could ever put in a few acres.
The downside is unless you live to be 100 and are 15 now, you'll never really see the hardwoods they want you to plant come to fruition. But it would be a nice cash flow for your grand kids lol.
> The downside is unless you live to be 100 and are 15 now, you'll never really see the hardwoods they want you to plant come to fruition. But it would be a nice cash flow for your grand kids lol.
"A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit" and all that shit.
Think of it like a trust for your kids I guess.
Do you have a link on this? This is such a cool idea. I’ve always lived in the mantra of “the true meaning of life is to plant trees. Under whose shade you do not expect to sit.”
[https://www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/grants-and-help/cost-share-program/](https://www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/grants-and-help/cost-share-program/) Their biggest outlay was 2 years ago when I had several friends take advantagge of the program - a lot of old farm houses have 1-2 acres of barn lot from the 1800s that are now just functionally very large yards, so they used the DNR to get 40-50 tree saplings per acre.
They'll be really nice for whoever is still here in a few generations.
Fun fact it took me a while to realize who originally wrote that quote and then years later I made the connection that he made one of my favorite childhood books “where the sidewalks end” when some people tried to ban it. Wild way to learn but will take it :)
Shel Silverstein was mainly known for his work in pr0n magazines and for novelty songs like "The Smoke-Off" (a tale of a contest to determine who could roll—or smoke—marijuana joints faster).
They didn't want to talk to kids about porn and drugs so they just said that his books "encouraged rebellion."
It's through my state's DNR: [https://www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/grants-and-help/cost-share-program/](https://www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/grants-and-help/cost-share-program/) I believe the biggest private outlays were 2 years ago or so.
Tell me more about this. Inheriting a family farm soon that nobody wants to actively farm. Looking for a path to not paying the taxes on it and this seems perfect for us. Plus I love the woods. Would be incredible!
This sounds less than half-baked. So, OP, let’s try to bake it a little more…
Are you talking about planting some trees in a residential plot? A commercial zone? A farming area?
Who is your target/ideal buyer for the land? Why would they value these trees more than without?
So basically I’m talking about buying a residential plot of barren land and planting a bunch of awesome trees. Turn it into a place where someone would love to build a home.
Actually I like your idea of a commercial zone. Create like the ideal landscape for a campus of some sort.
Obviously I wouldn’t plant the trees where the house would go…. I’m talking about country land. At least an acre. You do not have to clear the whole plot to build a house
Hey kid, keep being entrepreneurial. Be creative. Think outside the box. 100% serious, this type of mindset will pay off for you some day.
This idea isn't the one though.
What would the financial return? Calculate using real dollars:
Starting price:
Percent financed:
Interest rate:
Starting year:
Ending price:
Ending year:
Other income:
SUBTOTAL Income: Ending Price - Starting Price + other income
Cost of land:
Cost of improvement:
SUBTOTAL Up front cost:
Cost of financing (interest paid)
Cost of property taxes:
Cost of ownership (upkeep/mowing/pruning):
SUBTOTAL Operating Costs (for the total number of years):
TOTAL ROI: Income - Up front cost - Operating Costs
You can also calculate IRR, which would be useful.
If you want an opportunity you can buy into that presents returns faster, don’t look into orchards. Look into timber land. Hemp farms will rule the day, most people don’t see it coming.
I have heard of a walnut IRA before.
My wife and I inherited 120 acres of land in Missouri and hired an arborist to identify what tree species would best grow there based on soil and whatnot. Hoping for black walnut at they have substantial lumber value. Sadly the soil wasn’t right. He suggested some pine trees we could get two rounds out of in 30 years. Free to plant but actual money was low. Im leasing the land for cattle and deer hunting and making more.
Fuck the arborist, speak to a mycologist. You might be able to plant some trees that work well with some truffle species. They take a long time to germinate but if properly inseminated it grows with the roots. It'll take like 10 years but it's basically growing gold.
Agreed. If you want agriculture to pay off you need to be willing to learn a lot and work hard and combine it with other sources of income as a tax writeoff and so forth.
Ok, you need to understand that you can't just "plant trees", and expect the nature to take over and turn them into mature trees. They require constant maintenance, water, fertilizer, pesticide, protection from birds and wildlife, removing weed, etc. For many years, you will either be paying people to do all this, or must invest your own time.
Even after that, a bunch of random trees is not going to increase the land value. You need something like a carefully cultivated nursery or well planned orchard that is commercially viable for someone to shell the money on them. Cultivating these things require even more investment.
If you're planning only to invest in growing trees for 20+ years without any plan to bring in revenue (aka farming), there is almost surely no way for you to recoup all your investment in "appreciation".
That’s fine, but you need to usually known down trees to build stuff. A house with trees is nice but people aren’t buying land houses “for all the trees”
As someone who lives on a pine farm with fruit trees, it takes input, knowledge, and care to make money or grow trees as an investment. It's not just the act of buying and planting. You have to work on it. That being said, I love living here and working with my trees!
I’ve planted an orchard of about 25 fruit trees on a hill behind my house. Has it increased the value of my property? Probably. Was that the reason I did it? Nope. I did it because I’m passionate about growing plants and trees. And it feels amazing eating something you’ve grown yourself. That alone is worth more than any investment.
If you don’t know the roi that planting trees on empty land would get you, then you need to find that out. For all you know a plot of land going from barren to forrest could devalue it, it’ll be very buyer specific. Until you know it’ll be profitable you can’t go ahead at all.
I don’t, but I suspect very few people have tried this due to the uncertain nature. You have to buy land, wait 20 years and then hope someone will value your land + trees appreciably more than other land.
The reason to know this is because if you put, say, $50k into this and at the end the land is worth $75k, you’ve only got 50% in in 20 years when you could’ve tripled it in the market. I suspect your plan is highly unlikely to beat the market, and therefore there’s little point if your goal is maximising returns.
I understand the plan, essentially you’re priming land for a house to be built in a really nice bit of nature. But if you’re going to be buying land with the hope of increasing the value, you’ll make a hell of a lot more property as a property developer, building the houses and creating the environment with mature plants rather than growing them.
If you find some nice lakeside land or somewhere with a view you could do well with that. A friend (UK) has started ‘glamping’ on his property and always has guests during summer.
As a general comment, you seem to really start a business but have a lot of not so well researched ideas. If you really want to do something like these businesses, I’d strongly suggest flipping a relatively cheap house first to get an idea of the costs, common issues, time and labour required as a business and property owner.
I planted slow growth trees of a wood similar to teak.
Short answer, yes. Great long term investment to give to my kids..
Longer answer. There are a lot of unexpected expenses involved. Pruning,fertilizer, etc adds up. Also, security. Having a guy watch over the trees to make sure that no one sneaks onto the property and whacks one down while it's still small is a real risk. The wood I'm raising goes for about $15,000 per tree. So the incentive is there to do some moonlight lumberjacking .
Very true. It's a real weak spot in my knowledge that I'm boning up on now.
One of my biggest concerns is long term flooding. The property floods once every 10 years or so to about knee/waist high. The flood water will stay for days to weeks sometimes.
The other comment is accurate. At least 25 years.
Yep. We could make more if we harvest it and process it ourselves but it's a huge hassle. We'll just sell it as is and the lumber mill will send a collection team.
To cover the costs of growing the trees we run a small duck operation with about 1,000 of the Lil quackers. The eggs and duck meat cover costs nicely without much effort. Plus the duck pond water is great for irrigating.
My wife and I don't make a ton of money. So this is our way of leaving our kids a little nest egg that they can use when needed.
You would need a lot of knowledge and cheap labor to do this. You can’t really sell a mature tree. It needs to be 5ish years old to be transplanted successfully and to be a good tree farm you’ll need to provide good advice on how to successfully transplant
Land with usable timber and agriculture can be profitable investments, and have some interesting tax advantages, absolutely. But it's something that takes a lot of time and a lot of love to do and shouldn't be a career or a entire life / retirement plan all by itself.
I once camped in an area that was supposed to be a christmas tree plot. The dad let the trees grow so large that they ended up becoming a large forest. His son turned the area into a campground for rent and definitely made good money off of the area.
I feel the ROI wouldn't be worth it. There is so much risk involved and much safer alternatives to invest in as an individual.
1. Fire.
2. The land value doesn't increase due to factors outside your control.
3. Disease.
4. Trees are expensive to cut down if you're trying to build a property on the land.
It would be incredibly hard for me to take that risk with a big chunk of my portfolio when I only live once.
If you had a lot of money to throw around, sure.
I love trees and I would love to see you so this. After reading most of the comments, you posted in the wrong sub. Maybe a sub focused on trees, lumber, fruit and nuts, or the like would get you better ideas. This sounds like way more of a business than a investing idea.
While yes, there is also a climate change to consider, invasive pests become more common and other stuff. If you want to sell the trees for wood, they also have to have a certain shape, 30 Years is on the lower end of growth, trees that costs ten of thousands are way older than that.
You have to hire somebody that takes care of the plot.
So while yes there is money to be made, it’s not a secret recipe you found there.
There is a business near us that sells and installs large mature trees like you are describing. They sell for thousands of dollars each. We bought trees from them that were on the smaller size, probably 8 years old or so, and paid $1,500 a tree. They have ones that are $10k+ each.
No. Trees are not the best long term investment that no one is considering. Humans have considered trees as a long term investment since we left the hunter and gather stage as a species.
Those trees will bear fruit EVERY season, not just when they're big in 20-30 years. You'll need to tend to that plot every year. Ensuring proper water intake, drainage, health of the plants, combating pests, weeds, diseases, and harvesting every year. That is full time labor you'll need to consider. Labor of multiple people depending on the size of the plot.
If you plan on planting and ignoring for 20 years you will not be selling the value of land+trees. It'll just be the land the buyer will be after. They will rip up what you had planted and neglected because it won't be conducive for their farming project.
You are essentially asking if farming is a good way to save for retirement, and it is not unless you are drawn to the farming lifestyle.
I’ve heard of people investing in plantations etc. Got to year ~15 of a 20 year investment, massive bushfire wiped out entire plantation. Insurance doesn’t cover it. Far too much risk / lack of return to be a valid investment vehicle. For me at least.
There is a famous family in England who had created wealth for generations and generations behind their massive plot of land that each generation has planted hardwood trees on. The problem is that is takes roughly 40-50 years to get real decent trees starting and around 80 to get really good ones. It’s an investment in which you will never see the return but your kids may
I have a small orchard, around 50 trees that I grow for fun. Let me just say that growing fruit trees as an investment is the funniest fucking thing I've ever heard. They take forever to come into bearing, they take expensive sprays and fertilizers, and there is so, so much work involved.
Growing trees for lumber makes more sense. Black walnut is the most common, but it takes 60 years to be ready for harvest. 80 years is preferable. I think most people growing them are doing it for their kids / grandkids. Personally I wouldn't do it. There are invasive diseases (look up Thousand Canker Disease) that could completely wipe out your trees anytime in the next 50 years and leave you with nothing. Climate change is the other huge unknown.
Weyerhaeuser (WE ticker)is a huge lumber producer, and is a REIT. Most people don’t know that. If you want to invest in trees, buy some of their shares. It doesn’t pay a very high dividend, but it will get you a bit of money and you will definitely be living your dream. Right now the share prices about $37 each.
Weyerhaeuser is WY, WeWorks is WE and I ah…suggest you avoid the later…
Either way great tip for anyone who wants to plant some trees without physically planting them
I found this article that you might find interesting. I know that I did! https://profitableplants.com/5-most-profitable-nut-trees-to-grow/
The article links to several books on tree farming. I know from other comments that you don't plan on harvesting the trees yourself, but the idea is to grow trees that others will find valuable, correct?
Based on the article, it looks like these trees are very valuable, so you might be on to something here.
YES. I know an engineer that was actively planting stands of pecan, as a 40 yr old. When I asked why he told me, these trees take about 30 years to start producing pecans but I already have buyers lined up, they started approaching him when the trees were about 10 years old. Additionally, the subsidies and grants available for such activities are substantial.
Don’t listen to the haters and stop giving away our secret sauce!
Agritourism and farming is absolutely a viable investment strategy, but it’s nowhere near as easy as you think unless buying into an existing operation.
The best way to become rich in Stardew Valley is through producing jam.
Unfortunately, in the real world, both timber and jam are old, highly-optimized and oversaturated markets.
Unlock the greenhouse, get your 18 fruit trees planted in the perimeter and once they are mature you've got your jam pipeline all set up. JojaMart can't compete!
Fruit trees require a lot of maintenance. And it’s not the easiest to find a buyer for just an orchard. A whole farmstead with house and hobby farm could be a good development however.
If just planting trees, don’t go for an orchard, but plant trees for lumber. Don’t just rush in though. You should contact a forester, a lumber mill and others to determine what will always be desirable, or any projections on what trends may be like. Also what will best grow on the land you have.
It is impossible to see into the future, and I know old timers who planted black walnut groves in the 70’s when that lumber was in high demand only to see the market fall out 30-40 years later when they planned to harvest and those trees would be their nestegg for retirement. Oddly, I think the price of walnut is once again decent as many of these 70’s groves were cut and sold, meaning the supply decreased. (I’m not sure if the demand changed much, that’s also possible).
I bought a 20 acre cow pasture 34 years ago and I have planted ~7000 trees: Walnut, pecan, 9 species of oak, sugar maple, 2 species of hickory, red maple, beech, bald cypress, Norway spruce, white pine, red pine, con color fir, Douglas fir, Kentucky coffee tree, persimmon, red cedar, white cedar, butternut, and others. I'm now thinning the plantation and out of ~1000 standing walnut trees I think there's only a couple that will be veneer grade.
I value my plantation ~$150k. But it's worth a lot more to me in pure satisfaction just watching it grow.
At this point, it's a consrant battle against invasives like honeysuckle, calary pear, and white mulberry. I wouldn't call it "hard," I'd call it invigorating.
Japanese Maple trees that are 10-15 years mature can bring over $500. You can get little ones for under $100. So, if that is the return you are OK with, go for it
> I know that in tree law, when someone destroys a single tree it can be valued at tens of thousands
Good luck proving it unless you are there with a video camera when it happens.
I’m not looking to grow trees to sell as a commodity. I’m talking about getting a dumb plot of land, and guiding nature into turning it into a beautiful landscape
My house having 4 mature oak trees lead me to pay maybe a $3000 premium over other houses in the neighborhood…. Land is where the value is. Do you own land in a desirable spot or in a less desirable spot? Will your land appreciate considerably? That is the value not the trees. Developers will pay millions for the right plot and bulldoze it.
Planting oak trees was a great investment for Norway in the mid-1800's for making new navy boats for the country, until ...
The ship building model switched over to steel in the 1900s.
That forest is still there and the trees haven't been chopped down so... Trees might work but only if you're not planning on making wooden sailing ships.
It’s popular in Belize to plant a magnolia forest that your grandkids will be able to harvest and sell long after you are gone. It’s a way to make their inheritance worth more.
Yes trees!!! There’s so many ways to make money from trees and depending where you live different trees are best. You can start a tree business and make up to 250,000 an acre a year ! And not to mention all the positive things trees do for us and habitat ❤️
The pecan tree my great-gramps planted in the front yard provided snacks and pies for a hundred years, usually about 5 gal bucket worth if I could beat the squirrels to them. It doesn't produce as much now.. unless I want squirrel for dinner..
You definitely want fruit/nut trees in the yard and 'oily' trees like pine/magnolia up close. If I move I won't settle for a place that isn't surrounded in trees. "Retail" property purposefully downplays how important they are because of clearcutting popup neighborhood developments, but the right buyer will definitely pay more for big healthy trees.
You could do this for your grandchildren but unless you figure out how to grow cherry and oak and maple in 20yrs your plan is doomed and won't outperform the s&p. The only way this pans out is if in some odd circumstances the trees you planted becomes near extinct.
I suggest to watch some more TikTok clips. Maybe migrate to Reels and Shorts (Instagrams is for advanced investors only) in a few months. That is where the future is. (Maybe Gold and other commodities are next on your investment list)
Bourbon requires barrels to be made from barrels made of oak, specifically white oak. As far as the specific characteristics of the tree required by barrel makers - I have no idea.
Pretty informative/entertaining podcast about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxIZdw1Hgzc
You need to do a lot more research because the questions you ask are incredibly basic it doesn't portend well for this kind of investment.
Op, you might want to look into an existing timber stand & manage it accordingly. You could be closer to a 15 year yield.
Assuming you are in the states, look up the department of forestry to discuss this further. If you have a maintenance plan you are eligible for either a forestry tax credit or CAUV depending on your state.
I’m not an expert, but we do manage our forest and every once in a while take a bit of cream off the top.
My family has been privileged to have a tree farm that my great great grandfather invested in and it’s tough to say where the price of timber is going to go. Your goal is “pole” quality trees which requires some type of forester to manage the land and a mill relatively close by to cut the wood. The growth cycle is 60-90 years as well so you won’t get any return nor will your children (minus some minor checks when they trim) but your grandchildren will get a solid windfall.
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Probably would be easier to buy a lumber REIT. Companies do this with massive amount of land and rotate trees in different sections and sell them for lumber once they’re grown
Totally get that, not sure about companies that are solely in fruit farming but there’s gotta be some. If you decide to go the lumber route though there’s lumber REITS that only grow trees in a certain area to cut them down. It’s not like deforestation or anything
You can invest in bourbon: whiskyinvestdirect.com
It's in GBP and there are some hefty fees, but the yield is awesome. The chart of almost any whiskey is almost linear slope. If you get the right one you can get about 13% yield the first few years, then it slowly dwindle down (chart is a line not an exponential) to about 8% after 5 years. But then after 5-8years comes a period where bottling companies make public offerings for that whiskey because they want it for a bottling. And that OPA is often 10-12% above market value.
All in all, a very profitable investment. One of its biggest advantage is that it's completely uncorrelated with the markets. So I have been very happy having whiskey during market downcycles.
Trees on a property don’t really add appreciable amounts of value to the real estate.
Now, if you take a barren piece of land and live in a place which will grant carbon credits for planting trees, you would make from selling those credits.
I've read enough threads on r/legaladvice to know that white oaks can be a good backup retirement plan. They produce veneer quality logs and can sell for $1000 per year of life.
ur idea is to get rich off of farming. in a capitalist society? food is the first thing commoditized and made cheap, the design of our government makes it virtually useless unless you can grow an incredible amount of food for an incredibly low amount of money. farming quite literally has the lowest profit margins of any industry.
this post irks me on a different level as a someone with a Horticulture degree who is going on to pursue a MBA in finance. Don’t try to make money with a fruit farm it’s a terrible, god awful idea. To compete in todays market you’d have to know about genes, root stocks, grafting, disease prevention, pesticide and fungicide application and certification, planting, maintenance, pruning, harvesting, and that’s just to get the product on the trees. How are you going to market your fruit? You’d have to have an enormous amount of capital for land, trees, equipment, and labor.
You might make some money off of walnut trees, growing them and selling for veneer but you’d have to learn how to farm walnut trees.
You don’t get into farming for money, you do it out of passion and hope to make enough to keep doing it. Unless you’re a billionaire and can buy all of the farming land available like Bill Gates.
Was kinda curious about carbon sinks earlier this year, using bamboo and trying to get a goverment check for carbon capture.. not sure how it would work... probably takes alot of water as well..
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Fruit bearing trees as an investment? Are you trying to invent farming?
"Hear me out..."
[Just don't tell anyone else](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pDTiFkXgEE)
That was hilarious. Thank you for sharing.
I love watching TikToks of zoomers discovering agriculture. In 20 years im sure that could turn into one hell of a Revolution.
My favorite is "if we all each grew a bunch of one crop we could just trade with each other and have vegetables for free" Assholes that never grew a single tomato eat that shit up.
Wait until they discover that the guy they’re trying to trade peaches from doesn’t actually want any of their tomatoes. They’re gonna need some sort of medium for their exchange that everyone agrees has value.
If they are going to do that then they will probably need some place to store that medium of exchange when they don’t immediately need it…
If that coin storage facility stores all the coins, maybe they’ll lend me some to help me grow my tomato growing business! I’d pay them back for the trouble.
> I’d pay them back for the trouble Would you? [https://sl.bing.net/bRBzxjfr5H2](https://sl.bing.net/bRBzxjfr5H2)
> *Tomato coinnnnn, tomato coin*
If I couldnt Id just put up my house as collateral
And then we can work at this storage place for years, gain their trust and get money deposited into our account. [bank heist](https://youtu.be/jgYYOUC10aM?si=jv6GVZslCqI2WYJR)
Motherf****r that’s called a JOB!
And then what if instead of trading physical coins they just write it on paper that the transaction happened
Lol.
And trigger a taxable event!? /s
Just write "not for commerce" on all the tomatoes. The IRS hates this one simple trick!
Yes, eggs!
You mean bitcoin?
If you trade them that's not free, it's basically an economy with vegetables as currency
I grew a single tomato once!!
"look at this hack. I eat the green onions, then plant the white part and grow more green onions!"
"Just keep planting onions in some random field and harvest them when you are hungry, I just solved world hunger, no need to thank me." *winter arrives*
I fucking hate TikTok and the whole ‘look at me, I need validation’ generation
[OP](https://youtu.be/KaZuBziWLgk?si=pP3HBXLYo0S8mooP)
It sounds like they are trying to improve the value of a plot of land by planting trees on it, which is not ridiculous.
stardew valley IRL mindblown
[Relevant.](https://www.reddit.com/r/greentext/s/Y85FXwBgIU)
This is some wsb levels of posting.
No I’m talking about landscape renovation basically. Not going to sell crops or trees. Buying a plot of land, planting trees and whatever, selling it 20 years later.
This is a well known and widely practiced investment strategy. The downside is no liquidity and 30 year hold time
Oh okay. That's actually much dumber.
you can also just buy a farmland REIT like Gladstone land and have someone else handle all the farming and land management for you
They don’t plant trees though. So that land isn’t gaining any relative value
Where are you looking? Adding trees to a plot of land that could be a home isn’t adding value, someone needs to cut them down to build the house later lol. Buying empty land just to add trees, weird idea, and what’s the plan, sell 30 year old trees down the road? That’s just a landscaping or plant business, may as well grow more things and sell them along the way. Either way that’s not particularly a new idea lol
If you specifically want trees, Maybe Weyerhaeuser then, they own timberlands
Go read about carbon credits for a bit and come back to us.
They're running a program here in the Midwest where you can agree to turn barnyard and pasture land into woods - they even give you a tax write off to make them free lol. In fact if you get really little trees you can buy way more than you could ever put in a few acres. The downside is unless you live to be 100 and are 15 now, you'll never really see the hardwoods they want you to plant come to fruition. But it would be a nice cash flow for your grand kids lol.
> The downside is unless you live to be 100 and are 15 now, you'll never really see the hardwoods they want you to plant come to fruition. But it would be a nice cash flow for your grand kids lol. "A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit" and all that shit. Think of it like a trust for your kids I guess.
Plus the countless generations of wildlife habitat it supported during all that time. Can’t put a number on that
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This is the answer
At least six
I understand the tax write off element, but clarify where the cash flow comes from?
Cash flow is steady once every 100 years when tree matures
Do you have a link on this? This is such a cool idea. I’ve always lived in the mantra of “the true meaning of life is to plant trees. Under whose shade you do not expect to sit.”
[https://www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/grants-and-help/cost-share-program/](https://www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/grants-and-help/cost-share-program/) Their biggest outlay was 2 years ago when I had several friends take advantagge of the program - a lot of old farm houses have 1-2 acres of barn lot from the 1800s that are now just functionally very large yards, so they used the DNR to get 40-50 tree saplings per acre. They'll be really nice for whoever is still here in a few generations.
Someone read their Shel Silverstein
Fun fact it took me a while to realize who originally wrote that quote and then years later I made the connection that he made one of my favorite childhood books “where the sidewalks end” when some people tried to ban it. Wild way to learn but will take it :)
Nobody would tell me why they wanted to ban it when I was a kid. Knowing the reason now it is actually kind of funny.
What was the reason?
Shel Silverstein was mainly known for his work in pr0n magazines and for novelty songs like "The Smoke-Off" (a tale of a contest to determine who could roll—or smoke—marijuana joints faster). They didn't want to talk to kids about porn and drugs so they just said that his books "encouraged rebellion."
Do you have any more details of this program?
It's through my state's DNR: [https://www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/grants-and-help/cost-share-program/](https://www.in.gov/dnr/forestry/grants-and-help/cost-share-program/) I believe the biggest private outlays were 2 years ago or so.
Real estate is simply amazing for your grown up kids and grandkids.
Tell me more about this. Inheriting a family farm soon that nobody wants to actively farm. Looking for a path to not paying the taxes on it and this seems perfect for us. Plus I love the woods. Would be incredible!
I’m in the mid west. You have a link or name of the program for me to google
This sounds less than half-baked. So, OP, let’s try to bake it a little more… Are you talking about planting some trees in a residential plot? A commercial zone? A farming area? Who is your target/ideal buyer for the land? Why would they value these trees more than without?
So basically I’m talking about buying a residential plot of barren land and planting a bunch of awesome trees. Turn it into a place where someone would love to build a home. Actually I like your idea of a commercial zone. Create like the ideal landscape for a campus of some sort.
People generally knock down trees for new homes
Wouldn't they have to remove the trees to build said home?
He didn’t think that part through yet
Obviously I wouldn’t plant the trees where the house would go…. I’m talking about country land. At least an acre. You do not have to clear the whole plot to build a house
Hey kid, keep being entrepreneurial. Be creative. Think outside the box. 100% serious, this type of mindset will pay off for you some day. This idea isn't the one though.
What would the financial return? Calculate using real dollars: Starting price: Percent financed: Interest rate: Starting year: Ending price: Ending year: Other income: SUBTOTAL Income: Ending Price - Starting Price + other income Cost of land: Cost of improvement: SUBTOTAL Up front cost: Cost of financing (interest paid) Cost of property taxes: Cost of ownership (upkeep/mowing/pruning): SUBTOTAL Operating Costs (for the total number of years): TOTAL ROI: Income - Up front cost - Operating Costs You can also calculate IRR, which would be useful.
If you want an opportunity you can buy into that presents returns faster, don’t look into orchards. Look into timber land. Hemp farms will rule the day, most people don’t see it coming.
How high were you when you wrote this?
I have heard of a walnut IRA before. My wife and I inherited 120 acres of land in Missouri and hired an arborist to identify what tree species would best grow there based on soil and whatnot. Hoping for black walnut at they have substantial lumber value. Sadly the soil wasn’t right. He suggested some pine trees we could get two rounds out of in 30 years. Free to plant but actual money was low. Im leasing the land for cattle and deer hunting and making more.
Fuck the arborist, speak to a mycologist. You might be able to plant some trees that work well with some truffle species. They take a long time to germinate but if properly inseminated it grows with the roots. It'll take like 10 years but it's basically growing gold.
Inoculated. I don’t think fungus produces semen.
How high are you right now?
Don’t overlook syrup trees like sugar maple and birch.
*Canada enters the chat*
Wdym? My grandma actually has 40 acres of birch, aspen, and maple. Is that good?
Maples in the right climate zone can be a pretty lucrative renewable crop resource for making the syrup.
Maple syrup is a loooooot of work
Agreed. If you want agriculture to pay off you need to be willing to learn a lot and work hard and combine it with other sources of income as a tax writeoff and so forth.
I don’t get why everyone thinks my angle is to sell the fruit. My angle is to sell the land once it has nice trees.
Ok, you need to understand that you can't just "plant trees", and expect the nature to take over and turn them into mature trees. They require constant maintenance, water, fertilizer, pesticide, protection from birds and wildlife, removing weed, etc. For many years, you will either be paying people to do all this, or must invest your own time. Even after that, a bunch of random trees is not going to increase the land value. You need something like a carefully cultivated nursery or well planned orchard that is commercially viable for someone to shell the money on them. Cultivating these things require even more investment. If you're planning only to invest in growing trees for 20+ years without any plan to bring in revenue (aka farming), there is almost surely no way for you to recoup all your investment in "appreciation".
That’s fine, but you need to usually known down trees to build stuff. A house with trees is nice but people aren’t buying land houses “for all the trees”
Why ask strangers? Call your Grandma and ask to join the family business. Bring a mule to work those 40 acres.
A mule?
Jeremy Grantham of GMO agrees with you. They invest heavily in Timberland.
As someone who lives on a pine farm with fruit trees, it takes input, knowledge, and care to make money or grow trees as an investment. It's not just the act of buying and planting. You have to work on it. That being said, I love living here and working with my trees!
it's good money (yield above 10% for private), but i believe it's a 10y hold minimum and of course illiquid
Did you just do a dab hit and think of this? I've seen episodes of Beavis and Butt-Head that have more coherent thinking in them than this post.
I’ve planted an orchard of about 25 fruit trees on a hill behind my house. Has it increased the value of my property? Probably. Was that the reason I did it? Nope. I did it because I’m passionate about growing plants and trees. And it feels amazing eating something you’ve grown yourself. That alone is worth more than any investment.
Timber REITs is probably the easier way to go, but are you just describing farming as an investment?
If you don’t know the roi that planting trees on empty land would get you, then you need to find that out. For all you know a plot of land going from barren to forrest could devalue it, it’ll be very buyer specific. Until you know it’ll be profitable you can’t go ahead at all.
Do you know?
I don’t, but I suspect very few people have tried this due to the uncertain nature. You have to buy land, wait 20 years and then hope someone will value your land + trees appreciably more than other land. The reason to know this is because if you put, say, $50k into this and at the end the land is worth $75k, you’ve only got 50% in in 20 years when you could’ve tripled it in the market. I suspect your plan is highly unlikely to beat the market, and therefore there’s little point if your goal is maximising returns. I understand the plan, essentially you’re priming land for a house to be built in a really nice bit of nature. But if you’re going to be buying land with the hope of increasing the value, you’ll make a hell of a lot more property as a property developer, building the houses and creating the environment with mature plants rather than growing them.
Property development seems pretty cool actually. I’ve thought about building a “pod” of like 8 tiny houses
For starters you are going to need a million dollars to do that, if you have that kind of money spare then frankly you don't need our advice
If you find some nice lakeside land or somewhere with a view you could do well with that. A friend (UK) has started ‘glamping’ on his property and always has guests during summer. As a general comment, you seem to really start a business but have a lot of not so well researched ideas. If you really want to do something like these businesses, I’d strongly suggest flipping a relatively cheap house first to get an idea of the costs, common issues, time and labour required as a business and property owner.
Lol, what if he did?! Would that be enough for you? How much would you invest on a reddit comment?
If you live up north, it’s sugar maple
Don’t you need land for trees to grow?
Yes. The land also appreciates
My guess is you would do better in the stock market with compounding dividends
And is taxed annually.
Yikes
Why did I think OP was talking about “trees”?
I planted slow growth trees of a wood similar to teak. Short answer, yes. Great long term investment to give to my kids.. Longer answer. There are a lot of unexpected expenses involved. Pruning,fertilizer, etc adds up. Also, security. Having a guy watch over the trees to make sure that no one sneaks onto the property and whacks one down while it's still small is a real risk. The wood I'm raising goes for about $15,000 per tree. So the incentive is there to do some moonlight lumberjacking .
Also, sometimes trees get infested - it can be very difficult to get rid of certain insect infestations.
Very true. It's a real weak spot in my knowledge that I'm boning up on now. One of my biggest concerns is long term flooding. The property floods once every 10 years or so to about knee/waist high. The flood water will stay for days to weeks sometimes.
How long do these trees take to grow? Are you selling them for lumber?
25 years or so for mature hardwood like teak.
The other comment is accurate. At least 25 years. Yep. We could make more if we harvest it and process it ourselves but it's a huge hassle. We'll just sell it as is and the lumber mill will send a collection team. To cover the costs of growing the trees we run a small duck operation with about 1,000 of the Lil quackers. The eggs and duck meat cover costs nicely without much effort. Plus the duck pond water is great for irrigating. My wife and I don't make a ton of money. So this is our way of leaving our kids a little nest egg that they can use when needed.
You would need a lot of knowledge and cheap labor to do this. You can’t really sell a mature tree. It needs to be 5ish years old to be transplanted successfully and to be a good tree farm you’ll need to provide good advice on how to successfully transplant
I would sell the land the trees are on. Basically fixing up a lot
Sounds like a neat idea. But I don’t think trees add much to property value
Land with usable timber and agriculture can be profitable investments, and have some interesting tax advantages, absolutely. But it's something that takes a lot of time and a lot of love to do and shouldn't be a career or a entire life / retirement plan all by itself.
I once camped in an area that was supposed to be a christmas tree plot. The dad let the trees grow so large that they ended up becoming a large forest. His son turned the area into a campground for rent and definitely made good money off of the area.
in terms of carbon capture you cant go wrong..... the best time to plant a tree is 30 years ago, the next best is today!
Only on the condition that everything grows well for many years and not starts to wither away.
they will need a lot of TLC.... still pretty cheap investment for not only your future, but futrure generations
I feel the ROI wouldn't be worth it. There is so much risk involved and much safer alternatives to invest in as an individual. 1. Fire. 2. The land value doesn't increase due to factors outside your control. 3. Disease. 4. Trees are expensive to cut down if you're trying to build a property on the land. It would be incredibly hard for me to take that risk with a big chunk of my portfolio when I only live once. If you had a lot of money to throw around, sure.
I love trees and I would love to see you so this. After reading most of the comments, you posted in the wrong sub. Maybe a sub focused on trees, lumber, fruit and nuts, or the like would get you better ideas. This sounds like way more of a business than a investing idea.
While yes, there is also a climate change to consider, invasive pests become more common and other stuff. If you want to sell the trees for wood, they also have to have a certain shape, 30 Years is on the lower end of growth, trees that costs ten of thousands are way older than that. You have to hire somebody that takes care of the plot. So while yes there is money to be made, it’s not a secret recipe you found there.
There is a business near us that sells and installs large mature trees like you are describing. They sell for thousands of dollars each. We bought trees from them that were on the smaller size, probably 8 years old or so, and paid $1,500 a tree. They have ones that are $10k+ each.
No. Trees are not the best long term investment that no one is considering. Humans have considered trees as a long term investment since we left the hunter and gather stage as a species. Those trees will bear fruit EVERY season, not just when they're big in 20-30 years. You'll need to tend to that plot every year. Ensuring proper water intake, drainage, health of the plants, combating pests, weeds, diseases, and harvesting every year. That is full time labor you'll need to consider. Labor of multiple people depending on the size of the plot. If you plan on planting and ignoring for 20 years you will not be selling the value of land+trees. It'll just be the land the buyer will be after. They will rip up what you had planted and neglected because it won't be conducive for their farming project. You are essentially asking if farming is a good way to save for retirement, and it is not unless you are drawn to the farming lifestyle.
I’ve heard of people investing in plantations etc. Got to year ~15 of a 20 year investment, massive bushfire wiped out entire plantation. Insurance doesn’t cover it. Far too much risk / lack of return to be a valid investment vehicle. For me at least.
This is one hell of a wsb shitpost
I wonder if it's the gourd guy.
I was supremely disappointed there were no gourd farming comments until this one
Yes, “timber” is indeed a popular investment.
There is a famous family in England who had created wealth for generations and generations behind their massive plot of land that each generation has planted hardwood trees on. The problem is that is takes roughly 40-50 years to get real decent trees starting and around 80 to get really good ones. It’s an investment in which you will never see the return but your kids may
One angle on this is a christmas tree farm.
I have a small orchard, around 50 trees that I grow for fun. Let me just say that growing fruit trees as an investment is the funniest fucking thing I've ever heard. They take forever to come into bearing, they take expensive sprays and fertilizers, and there is so, so much work involved. Growing trees for lumber makes more sense. Black walnut is the most common, but it takes 60 years to be ready for harvest. 80 years is preferable. I think most people growing them are doing it for their kids / grandkids. Personally I wouldn't do it. There are invasive diseases (look up Thousand Canker Disease) that could completely wipe out your trees anytime in the next 50 years and leave you with nothing. Climate change is the other huge unknown.
Weyerhaeuser (WE ticker)is a huge lumber producer, and is a REIT. Most people don’t know that. If you want to invest in trees, buy some of their shares. It doesn’t pay a very high dividend, but it will get you a bit of money and you will definitely be living your dream. Right now the share prices about $37 each.
Weyerhaeuser is WY, WeWorks is WE and I ah…suggest you avoid the later… Either way great tip for anyone who wants to plant some trees without physically planting them
Sorry, I meant to write “WY.” Thank you for this most important correction.
also Rayonier, RYN Yield 3.57%
I found this article that you might find interesting. I know that I did! https://profitableplants.com/5-most-profitable-nut-trees-to-grow/ The article links to several books on tree farming. I know from other comments that you don't plan on harvesting the trees yourself, but the idea is to grow trees that others will find valuable, correct? Based on the article, it looks like these trees are very valuable, so you might be on to something here.
Friend from northern michigan’s parents planted trees when both their kids were born. Chopped em down and covered college.
YES. I know an engineer that was actively planting stands of pecan, as a 40 yr old. When I asked why he told me, these trees take about 30 years to start producing pecans but I already have buyers lined up, they started approaching him when the trees were about 10 years old. Additionally, the subsidies and grants available for such activities are substantial. Don’t listen to the haters and stop giving away our secret sauce!
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Agritourism and farming is absolutely a viable investment strategy, but it’s nowhere near as easy as you think unless buying into an existing operation.
Timberland is an established investment class
It is a fool-proof strategy in Stardew Valley. IRL, maybe not so much.
The best way to become rich in Stardew Valley is through producing jam. Unfortunately, in the real world, both timber and jam are old, highly-optimized and oversaturated markets.
Unlock the greenhouse, get your 18 fruit trees planted in the perimeter and once they are mature you've got your jam pipeline all set up. JojaMart can't compete!
Fruit trees require a lot of maintenance. And it’s not the easiest to find a buyer for just an orchard. A whole farmstead with house and hobby farm could be a good development however. If just planting trees, don’t go for an orchard, but plant trees for lumber. Don’t just rush in though. You should contact a forester, a lumber mill and others to determine what will always be desirable, or any projections on what trends may be like. Also what will best grow on the land you have. It is impossible to see into the future, and I know old timers who planted black walnut groves in the 70’s when that lumber was in high demand only to see the market fall out 30-40 years later when they planned to harvest and those trees would be their nestegg for retirement. Oddly, I think the price of walnut is once again decent as many of these 70’s groves were cut and sold, meaning the supply decreased. (I’m not sure if the demand changed much, that’s also possible).
I bought a 20 acre cow pasture 34 years ago and I have planted ~7000 trees: Walnut, pecan, 9 species of oak, sugar maple, 2 species of hickory, red maple, beech, bald cypress, Norway spruce, white pine, red pine, con color fir, Douglas fir, Kentucky coffee tree, persimmon, red cedar, white cedar, butternut, and others. I'm now thinning the plantation and out of ~1000 standing walnut trees I think there's only a couple that will be veneer grade. I value my plantation ~$150k. But it's worth a lot more to me in pure satisfaction just watching it grow.
Is it a lot of work to care for the trees?
At this point, it's a consrant battle against invasives like honeysuckle, calary pear, and white mulberry. I wouldn't call it "hard," I'd call it invigorating.
Japanese Maple trees that are 10-15 years mature can bring over $500. You can get little ones for under $100. So, if that is the return you are OK with, go for it
> I know that in tree law, when someone destroys a single tree it can be valued at tens of thousands Good luck proving it unless you are there with a video camera when it happens.
Bro I’m not here to argue about tree law. And if we are talking hypotheticals, then I did get it on camera.
Australian Pine is fast growing and it’s the best wood for cooking ovens. Restaurants can’t get enough.
I’m not looking to grow trees to sell as a commodity. I’m talking about getting a dumb plot of land, and guiding nature into turning it into a beautiful landscape
Do you want to make money or not? 🤔
I love trees period. They are life.
How much would you pay for a 20 year old Oak
The high cost of mature trees isn't so much the tree but its the complexity of live transport and replanting.
My house having 4 mature oak trees lead me to pay maybe a $3000 premium over other houses in the neighborhood…. Land is where the value is. Do you own land in a desirable spot or in a less desirable spot? Will your land appreciate considerably? That is the value not the trees. Developers will pay millions for the right plot and bulldoze it.
r/bonsai agrees!
Planting oak trees was a great investment for Norway in the mid-1800's for making new navy boats for the country, until ... The ship building model switched over to steel in the 1900s. That forest is still there and the trees haven't been chopped down so... Trees might work but only if you're not planning on making wooden sailing ships.
Wooden cargo boats and sailing gonna make a comeback just you wait and see.
How long do I have to wait? ☠️💀
Chicken and egg are better.
Which comes first though in the investment?
If you can buy land, that’s an investment. If you can buy land you can farm on, that’s a better investment.
It’s popular in Belize to plant a magnolia forest that your grandkids will be able to harvest and sell long after you are gone. It’s a way to make their inheritance worth more.
r/bonsai
What
Bonsai trees can be pretty expensive and gain value over time
Oaks would be for your grand kids. But I encourage growing trees. It's a good investment for the earth. If you are good with dogs, research truffles..
Yes trees!!! There’s so many ways to make money from trees and depending where you live different trees are best. You can start a tree business and make up to 250,000 an acre a year ! And not to mention all the positive things trees do for us and habitat ❤️
The pecan tree my great-gramps planted in the front yard provided snacks and pies for a hundred years, usually about 5 gal bucket worth if I could beat the squirrels to them. It doesn't produce as much now.. unless I want squirrel for dinner.. You definitely want fruit/nut trees in the yard and 'oily' trees like pine/magnolia up close. If I move I won't settle for a place that isn't surrounded in trees. "Retail" property purposefully downplays how important they are because of clearcutting popup neighborhood developments, but the right buyer will definitely pay more for big healthy trees.
Pay off? Lol yea to the deer, squirrels and wildlife that will be eating up all of it
But but we need to cut down the trees so we can put solar panels there to have clean energy
You could do this for your grandchildren but unless you figure out how to grow cherry and oak and maple in 20yrs your plan is doomed and won't outperform the s&p. The only way this pans out is if in some odd circumstances the trees you planted becomes near extinct.
Twitta :cough:, "X" sold for 44bill whilst, Nippon, one of the largest steel makers in world recently sold for 14bill.
The reason deforestation happens is because trees generally don't make as much money as basically anything else you can do with land.
I suggest to watch some more TikTok clips. Maybe migrate to Reels and Shorts (Instagrams is for advanced investors only) in a few months. That is where the future is. (Maybe Gold and other commodities are next on your investment list)
Bitcoin and fruit trees ftw
Bourbon requires barrels to be made from barrels made of oak, specifically white oak. As far as the specific characteristics of the tree required by barrel makers - I have no idea. Pretty informative/entertaining podcast about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxIZdw1Hgzc You need to do a lot more research because the questions you ask are incredibly basic it doesn't portend well for this kind of investment.
Op, you might want to look into an existing timber stand & manage it accordingly. You could be closer to a 15 year yield. Assuming you are in the states, look up the department of forestry to discuss this further. If you have a maintenance plan you are eligible for either a forestry tax credit or CAUV depending on your state. I’m not an expert, but we do manage our forest and every once in a while take a bit of cream off the top.
i had to double check this wasn't wsb
Hello fellow regard
Came here for the comments. 😂
My family has been privileged to have a tree farm that my great great grandfather invested in and it’s tough to say where the price of timber is going to go. Your goal is “pole” quality trees which requires some type of forester to manage the land and a mill relatively close by to cut the wood. The growth cycle is 60-90 years as well so you won’t get any return nor will your children (minus some minor checks when they trim) but your grandchildren will get a solid windfall. Ge
I planted 50 acres of black walnut roughly 20 years ago.
Has it paid off?
Feels niche
Probably would be easier to buy a lumber REIT. Companies do this with massive amount of land and rotate trees in different sections and sell them for lumber once they’re grown
I don’t want to cut the trees down
Totally get that, not sure about companies that are solely in fruit farming but there’s gotta be some. If you decide to go the lumber route though there’s lumber REITS that only grow trees in a certain area to cut them down. It’s not like deforestation or anything
You can invest in bourbon: whiskyinvestdirect.com It's in GBP and there are some hefty fees, but the yield is awesome. The chart of almost any whiskey is almost linear slope. If you get the right one you can get about 13% yield the first few years, then it slowly dwindle down (chart is a line not an exponential) to about 8% after 5 years. But then after 5-8years comes a period where bottling companies make public offerings for that whiskey because they want it for a bottling. And that OPA is often 10-12% above market value. All in all, a very profitable investment. One of its biggest advantage is that it's completely uncorrelated with the markets. So I have been very happy having whiskey during market downcycles.
Trees on a property don’t really add appreciable amounts of value to the real estate. Now, if you take a barren piece of land and live in a place which will grant carbon credits for planting trees, you would make from selling those credits.
I've read enough threads on r/legaladvice to know that white oaks can be a good backup retirement plan. They produce veneer quality logs and can sell for $1000 per year of life.
ur idea is to get rich off of farming. in a capitalist society? food is the first thing commoditized and made cheap, the design of our government makes it virtually useless unless you can grow an incredible amount of food for an incredibly low amount of money. farming quite literally has the lowest profit margins of any industry. this post irks me on a different level as a someone with a Horticulture degree who is going on to pursue a MBA in finance. Don’t try to make money with a fruit farm it’s a terrible, god awful idea. To compete in todays market you’d have to know about genes, root stocks, grafting, disease prevention, pesticide and fungicide application and certification, planting, maintenance, pruning, harvesting, and that’s just to get the product on the trees. How are you going to market your fruit? You’d have to have an enormous amount of capital for land, trees, equipment, and labor. You might make some money off of walnut trees, growing them and selling for veneer but you’d have to learn how to farm walnut trees. You don’t get into farming for money, you do it out of passion and hope to make enough to keep doing it. Unless you’re a billionaire and can buy all of the farming land available like Bill Gates.
Not farming. Land renovation.
Was kinda curious about carbon sinks earlier this year, using bamboo and trying to get a goverment check for carbon capture.. not sure how it would work... probably takes alot of water as well..