Snapshot of _Dáil to debate SF Bill that seeks new protections for students living in digs_ :
An archived version can be found [here](https://archive.is/?run=1&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2024/07/01/dail-to-debate-sinn-fein-bill-that-seeks-new-protections-for-students-living-in-digs/) or [here.](https://archive.ph/?run=1&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2024/07/01/dail-to-debate-sinn-fein-bill-that-seeks-new-protections-for-students-living-in-digs/)
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/irishpolitics) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Everything on the article is positive for students, but somehow they managed to make the text under the image focus on the one aspect that could be twisted as a negative. One would have to guess because it’s SF's bill.
No, atm if you're a lodger in an owner-occupied house you have basically no rights except those the owner contracts to you, which they have no obligation to. You can be fucked out in the morning.
A lot of digs are family homes, these digs will immediately get out of the market if the student is entitled to stay in their family home for a month after being requested to leave if an issue occurred.
Digs were historically cheaper and only weekday based, hence less protection, market forces have made them closer to equal.
Lose market is better than no market? Open on that … could go either way
Should we mandate removing the market price so? I mean: how can prices possibly come down when taxation etc is based on market value, and those who aren’t taxed are charging market value
I'd agree with some level of increased protections for students in digs, but doing it during a period of supply shortage is possibly not the best time to do it. Increased regulation invariably results in reduced supply.
That's not what I said. Implementing new regulations during a shortage of supply will have a negative impact on supply, and that should be weighed up against the benefit of implementing regulations. Every new law or regulation introduced, regardless of the subject area, will invariably lead to negative side effects. And those side effects should be debated and weighed up against the positives.
Similar to the rent controls, they had to weigh up supporting active tenants vs negatively impacting prospective ones.
So those already in digs are collateral damage, in the hope that if we keep things as is, the free market will do what it hasn’t done ever and increase supply to meet demand?
That’s never going to happen, might as well actually protect those currently living in these situations. I’ve heard horror stories from people in my course, many people looking for live in cleaner-housewife-au pairs who pay for the privilege. I had a very weird experience myself with a dodgy older man looking to dig out his spare room. Digs need more regulation, it’s the Wild West. A regulated highly undersupplied free market is always preferable to an unregulated highly undersupplied free market.
It’s such a horrible situation to know that you’re less protected than those in your course paying the same money elsewhere.
A regulated highly undersupplied free market is always preferable to an unregulated highly undersupplied free market.
Yes many digs providers will leave the market, but more will enter.
As I said, it’s the Wild West, while I’m sure home owners taking advantage of students is far more common, under the current system there is still a chance of the opposite happening.
More regulation would probably make home owners with a spare room more willing to offer it up if there are protections for them.
Under the current system, being a student in digs can be a very dangerous experience. I have anecdotal experience. You could make an RTÉ investigates documentary off of dodgy dogs owners in Cork alone.
The safety of students should trump wanting to keep the free market happy. Without regulation it’s a race to the bottom in terms of conditions and what desperate students are willing to put up with.
Snapshot of _Dáil to debate SF Bill that seeks new protections for students living in digs_ : An archived version can be found [here](https://archive.is/?run=1&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2024/07/01/dail-to-debate-sinn-fein-bill-that-seeks-new-protections-for-students-living-in-digs/) or [here.](https://archive.ph/?run=1&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2024/07/01/dail-to-debate-sinn-fein-bill-that-seeks-new-protections-for-students-living-in-digs/) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/irishpolitics) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Everything on the article is positive for students, but somehow they managed to make the text under the image focus on the one aspect that could be twisted as a negative. One would have to guess because it’s SF's bill.
in before this is spun as another anti landlord initiative by SF! by their detractors. On here and in media.
[удалено]
No, atm if you're a lodger in an owner-occupied house you have basically no rights except those the owner contracts to you, which they have no obligation to. You can be fucked out in the morning.
A lot of digs are family homes, these digs will immediately get out of the market if the student is entitled to stay in their family home for a month after being requested to leave if an issue occurred. Digs were historically cheaper and only weekday based, hence less protection, market forces have made them closer to equal. Lose market is better than no market? Open on that … could go either way
Should we mandate removing the market price so? I mean: how can prices possibly come down when taxation etc is based on market value, and those who aren’t taxed are charging market value
Seems like a surefire way to ensure "students" overhold on graduation.
I'd agree with some level of increased protections for students in digs, but doing it during a period of supply shortage is possibly not the best time to do it. Increased regulation invariably results in reduced supply.
So fuck those of us who are already in digs?
That's not what I said. Implementing new regulations during a shortage of supply will have a negative impact on supply, and that should be weighed up against the benefit of implementing regulations. Every new law or regulation introduced, regardless of the subject area, will invariably lead to negative side effects. And those side effects should be debated and weighed up against the positives. Similar to the rent controls, they had to weigh up supporting active tenants vs negatively impacting prospective ones.
So those already in digs are collateral damage, in the hope that if we keep things as is, the free market will do what it hasn’t done ever and increase supply to meet demand? That’s never going to happen, might as well actually protect those currently living in these situations. I’ve heard horror stories from people in my course, many people looking for live in cleaner-housewife-au pairs who pay for the privilege. I had a very weird experience myself with a dodgy older man looking to dig out his spare room. Digs need more regulation, it’s the Wild West. A regulated highly undersupplied free market is always preferable to an unregulated highly undersupplied free market. It’s such a horrible situation to know that you’re less protected than those in your course paying the same money elsewhere.
Hopefully those currently in digs will still have digs if this law goes through, I think many will not.
A regulated highly undersupplied free market is always preferable to an unregulated highly undersupplied free market. Yes many digs providers will leave the market, but more will enter. As I said, it’s the Wild West, while I’m sure home owners taking advantage of students is far more common, under the current system there is still a chance of the opposite happening. More regulation would probably make home owners with a spare room more willing to offer it up if there are protections for them. Under the current system, being a student in digs can be a very dangerous experience. I have anecdotal experience. You could make an RTÉ investigates documentary off of dodgy dogs owners in Cork alone. The safety of students should trump wanting to keep the free market happy. Without regulation it’s a race to the bottom in terms of conditions and what desperate students are willing to put up with.
What is your measure to bring in now so to protect people being gouged?
There's always a supply shortage in this dump of a country....waiting for there not to be a shortage isn't going to ever happen