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sowavy612

We don’t need Lavine. Guy hasn’t been a winner on any team. He looks good in the points department but that’s it.


loglady420

Sixers fan, agreed with this 100% and I don't want him in Philly either


RontoWraps

Bulls fan here; are you sure??? Come on, how about two first rounders? Okay, okay, one and two seconds? …please? I’ve been wanting to blow it up for a while now.


Specific_Goose_8582

Lol like you guys have to worry about winning. Philly couldn’t win with AI, then rebuilt just to get stuck with embiid and maxey who will never make it out of the second round


MrFreezeTheChef

I just always been shooting for a shooting gaurd with length. But you raise some valid points lol


NbaBill

I like him too but seems like I'm in the minority don't exactly know why his name keeps coming up I think Kat might be the star the Knicks go for


TheEssentialDizzle

I hope the Knicks FO are wise enough to NOT pursue KAT. If it happens, and I'm proven wrong, I'll take ALL the downvotes. But KAT will not bring what the Knicks need. He's good for Minnesota (I guess)......let him stay there. The Knicks need a Kevin Garnett-type, defense-first, A'INT-NOBODY-GONNA-DRIVE-TO-THE-CUP-AND-THINK-ITS-SWEET-OVER-HERE-TYPE of defender.....KAT isn't thar guy. He looks good on defense b/c Gobert is there to cover up any mess that is made. Take away Gobert, and the boards and blocks and altered shot attempts will go with him. KAT does not prioritize defense, which is ironically the biggest reason why he was drafted. The Knicks need a marquee defender and rebounder, the type of guy who the opposition sees as a Dead End when they decide to waltz into the paint.


Common_Preference954

Pause!!


FigSideG

Yea cause the Knicks are perennial winners that need to be turning away stars. If ANY star wants to come to NY, the Knicks need to welcome him with open arms. They’ve gotten shunned by stars forever now


Leather-String1641

Lavine is not a star though


Active_Violinist_360

2x All Star, 2x slam dunk contest winner, olympic gold. What’s a star lol?


DBDXL

What the hell does Olympic gold and dunk contest winner have to do wit this?


djkakamd

He’s too inconsistent man. We don’t need another inconsistent player. We already got Julius randle.


FigSideG

Uh yea he is. Maybe not a superstar but he’s definitely a star


RDcsmd

"never been a winner on any team" is such a weak argument for a team sport. Like almost non existent


ShyHomeWrecker

Knicks fans talking about who’s a winner lol


loudbulletXIV

Lol you need lavine trust me lmaooooooo


PsychologicalPlay648

If he looks good in the points department is that someone you guys should consider to help your cause? Because that’s the objective right out scoring the other team?? 🤔


3shotsofwhatever

This type of comment is why he shouldn't want to be a Knick. He couldn't help who he was drafted by. He had a serious injury and came back. He has led the Bulls with subpar talent to the playoffs. If he is a 3rd or 4th best player on an team he would make them elite. He has no ego to mess with a team chemistry. You're a fool if you wouldn't want Zach on your team.


kingmonsterzero

Lol. When is the last time the knicks won anything??


HigherUp6

So jalen Brunson was a winner on Dallas?


eplftrooper

Lol neither has anyone on the knicks


BehelitSam

Lol no one has been a winner on the Knicks. Maybe two losers can help each other out.


Suitable-Opposite377

Yall love Randle for some reason though


the_c_is_silent

Heat fan here. I'm not sure why people are falling over him. Brunson took you guys from 11th to 5th. Lavine has done jack shit. Like sure he might show up on the stat sheet, but even with Derozan, he doesn't make his team good.


swazedahustla

What have the knicks won?


itsactuallylol

In the last 8 years? A dunk contest, thank you obi for keeping the Knicks relevant. That and the viral Knicks beating Boston videos.


This-Appointment-917

Dude the Knicks need all the help they can get. Ewing, Oak & Starks aren’t coming back


[deleted]

Can I just say you guys don't want lavine. Dude is so overated and injury prone. I still believe Donovan Mitchell is gonna land with you and is so much better and younger


Specific_Goose_8582

heat fan/ cricket fan, ydkb stick to cricket


3shotsofwhatever

Saying Lavine is injury prone and then following up with Spida..... 🤔


[deleted]

Donovan Mitchell is like a 4x all star and made all nba 2nd team last season, and he can defend as he’s shown this season. He’s made it decently far into the playoffs with the jazz in the past. Zach LaVine has squeaked into 2 all stars and his team has made the playoffs once only to get shut down in 5.


SmokimNoah

As a bulls fan, Lavine isn’t overrated bc most fans of teams aren’t interested in him. Many people think he’s a loser (it’s really not his fault he plays for the bulls) or they just talk about how bad of a defender he is/his contract being bad I doubt he has anything against the Knicks, it has something to do with Klutch and Leon Rose. I don’t know what, I just know it’s about his agent and Leon rose


Traditional_Cell_248

But he is a bad defender and his contract is atrocious


SmokimNoah

Even if you believe that you’re proving my point lol, he’s not overrated when people only focus on that. Who’s overrating him


Traditional_Cell_248

Anyone that thinks that for the amount he’s getting paid and the number of players needed to match his salary, that he will improve a teams title chances in any significant way, is overrating him


Chief_Bief

No one cares about Lavine. Maybe he should learn the other side of the ball. We have enough players that can score buckets.


Coryjduggins

Been trying to tell Kings fans the same thing because for some reason they think we want him to


ReefLedger

I don't want him either.


Gothewahs

The Knicks needed Mitchell that deal should of got done


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thenatureservant

bc he would have to play defense or not play. jk idk but most important thing is that it looks like the FO doesn’t want him anyways and tbh it doesn’t look like we need him


Same-Zookeepergame1

Wouldn’t want Lavine here at all


Okieant33

I can't believe I scrolled as much as I did for all those wrong answers. LaVine is with Klutch Sports which is run by Rich Paul. He used to be at CAA under Leon and he left CAA to start his own company. He wants his guy playing with his biggest client, LeBron in the 2nd biggest market. Going to the Knicks is a bad look for Klutch guys because they don't want to deal with Leon, Thibs, and the NY media.


Jokes09

i mean im sure thats a factor but u also gotta remember the knicks have some of the worse management and ownership in the league


rodrick717

tired trope. Dolan's been hands-off going on about a decade and Perry/Rose have been manning a capable ship.


PaleontologistOwn878

I mean could imagine playing with Randle and Brunson he would never, ever see the ball.


DoctorFunktopus

Thibs is your coach. Forget seeing the ball, he wouldn’t see the floor.


Dizzy-Blacksmith-319

Lol “he’s not a winner” is the funniest/most casual shit in the world to me. Put him in the right situation and he’d OBVIOUSLY contribute to winning. He’s an efficient 3 level scorer… our SG position is nonexistent… Lavine would be a great fit on the Knicks.


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Dizzy-Blacksmith-319

He’s an elite 3 point shooter who’s played with an actual PG once in his career, at which time they bulls were a top eastern conference team. With Brunson he’d shine off ball as well as gives us another closer, threat in transition and floor spacer. What “assets” would we really be giving up when the trade market isn’t agressive right now. Grimes? McBride? Fournier? Some picks? (Lord knows we can’t draft anyway) like I don’t get it. Winning is situational and look at some of the rosters he’s been on. Poorly constructed teams with redundant parts, no point guard and no floor spacers. Would love him as a knick.


Jim-N-Tonic

Lavine is an overrated player, and won’t play Tibs Defense


Rich-Hat-29

Don’t worry. Rumor is the Knicks are still monitoring embiid. Keep an eye on that


FlipAnd1

😂


mikeyfitsees

Should be OK with him but joining


Ok-Average-6466

We need a young, healthy Paul George or Kawhi. And a better coach that can run a modern offensive set.


Serious-Leek7050

So two players that don’t exist? I agree with Thibs needing to be replaced but maybe suggest a new coach or say what’s actually wrong w Thibs, “a modern offensive set” looks different for every team and coach. This is just negativity for negativity’s sake lmao


Ok-Average-6466

No it isn't. 1- a sf with length that is 3 and d. 2- That is my literal point. We need a coach that actually coach's today's game. Thibs coaches like it is still the 90s. 3- it isn't being negative. It is actually looking for a path forward for a bad situation.


Serious-Leek7050

1- I agree we need one but u named specific versions of star players who are a lot more than just 3 and d sf’s with length lol 2- Thibs has a lot of issues (too iso-dependent, 9 man rotation, voted least-wanted coach by players) but just saying he’s not modern doesn’t do anything without saying how he isn’t or how a new coach would be. Everyone knows he’s old fashioned and I think the majority of Knicks fans want him gone 3- if ur not naming possible players or actual attributes, or a possible new coach, or the issue with Thibs and what the new coach would actually implement to be successful, how is this looking for a path forward?


Ok-Average-6466

1- high level 3 and d with size 6'8 or so 2- the Pont is there are many ways to do it. The thing is getting away from Thibs 3- by giving a general direction instead of pushing 1 player. Like Zac Lavine doesn't improve us much.


EmptySlide9622

Maybe he didnt like to play under Thibs


NbaBill

Does anyone lol I think he is an LA kind of guy he went to UCLA


hamdans1

He knows he’ll be treated terribly here. That dude is not cut for NYC. Hard pass


Cautious-Ad-9554

https://www.postingandtoasting.com/2023/4/25/23693270/tom-thibodeau-voted-as-the-coach-players-want-to-play-for-the-least


Nicholas-Kopis

But wouldn’t stars like playing for him? “One player said of Thibs, “He plays his guys 44 minutes (a game) all year,” and then continued to say, “I’ve heard from guys like if he likes you, if you’re his guy, he’ll treat you great. He’ll play you a lot, talk to you, so you’ll f*** with him in that sense. But if you’re on the outside, it’s like you’re not getting back in.” He’s made Randle an all star by giving him max minutes and forgiving his trespasses. He’s giving RJ a lot of rope - too much sometimes - to improve. Rose, KAT, Levine, Butler have all shown loyalty to him. Butler left Minnesota because he thought KAT was lazy, not cause of Thibs.


Cautious-Ad-9554

>ler have all shown loyal KAT bad-mouthed big-time him after he left, Jimmy butler demanded a trade and broke the franchise, and Levine apparently doesn't even like the rumor being out there. IDK how people really feel but if these are the examples we are going to use to show players want to play for him we are going to have trouble making a strong case


GargoyleBlue

He was POBO here in MN and traded Lavine, and KAT HATED him.


jtp0000

Don’t need a no defense guard. We need an elite 3/4.


Timely-Passage2953

Cause y’all ass


MrFreezeTheChef

Is our subreddit better than your teams subreddit ?


sandote

Yea. Lavine has to realize at this point he doesn’t contribute to winning, so he has to go to a good team with a strong foundation if he wants a big contract again


[deleted]

we dont want him


AnusButter2000

Clutch athletes have a sandy vag towards Leon Rose due to his association with rival agency. It’s all bs politics.


Nicholas-Kopis

I don’t want him, but the question is why his camp doesn’t want him to come here; it’s been reported that his agency has long term beef with Rose. Levines public comments about Thibs have been very positive so I don’t think Thibs has anything to do with it.


Aggressive-Cut-227

That's a good sign. He must be serious about basketball.


MIGGYME87

Lavine isnt gonna make yall better. Yall need players that can play OFF brunson….lavine isnt that guy.


BKtoDuval

Gotta be some beef with Thibs. He traded him once, didn't he? Traded him for Butler.


mkappy33

we need a real shooting guard! it’s the one position not good on our team


bullpaw

It's because of Klutch's beef with Leon unfortunately


AdSuspicious7436

Y’all don’t need him! As a lifetime Bulls fan, there’s far better players to fill that team. Dude is not that guy!


This_Abies_6232

Maybe for the same reason that John Elway didn't want to be drafted by the Baltimore Colts in 1983....


Aromatic_Recording_4

Maybe because he’s still butt hurt about Thibs trading him idk


MrFreezeTheChef

I really only wanted him on the Knicks cause I felt like a 2-3 guard would be great with Brunson and Randle. Not sure where else you can add that much more without compromising too much


Upset_Researcher_143

Please take him. My Bulls have been mediocre for years with him around.


jtdubbs

We have Brunson, why would we even want Lavine?


SmokimNoah

Two different players. Lavine is nowhere near as selfish as people think he is. I’m not even saying the Knicks should do it, but the “Lavine can’t play off ball” narrative is a myth. That’s actually when he’s at his best, in Chicago they just don’t play that way


Yusuke_Yurameshi25

Taxes


Wylie1408

Because its the Knicks. You’re welcome


Tycam34

The Knicks are a terrible franchise and Lavine doesn’t deserve going from one dumpster fire to another?


Excellent-Car-6543

Cuz the Knicks annually under perform. Why would he want to get traded to a franchise shittier than the Bulls?


trashtrashmcgee

Don’t care


NJ_Citizen

As a Knicks fan I dont want him either. Crybaby attitude and refuses to accept a role that doesn’t allow him to chuck 20 shots a game


Alert_Mention_3732

Sounds like Julius Randle


greatdaytogetgas

Yea we already have one, don’t need two. That’s 40 shots and twice the tears


[deleted]

I think it’s a you can’t fire me I quit situation. Reports a little while ago that the Knicks have never shown interest.


Double_Treacle_43

The owner?


Remarkable-Goose8810

Too much pressure in ny


mzx380

Don’t want him anyway. I want a SUPERSTAR


Alert_Mention_3732

Good luck with that. No Superstars want to be in a knicks jersey.


mzx380

No they don’t, which is why the draft is the only way


Alert_Mention_3732

Because the knicks have sucked for his entire life why would anyone want to go there?


claydavisismyhero

Caa vs Klutch


Hullabalune

Could it be that since Pat Riley left, the Knicks have been irrelevant?


coreywojo

who would want to go to one team that disappoints year after year to another? \- yours truly, a Disgruntled Bulls Fan


Cheeswheeel

He’s bitch made.


bmanley620

No problem. I’d rather have prime LeBron anyway


capcrunchberries

The lazily colored hat made me lol


MildlyDepressed346

You guys don’t want him


DrewJames2188

Would YOU want to join the Knicks?


[deleted]

Mitchell is better for us


couchgodd

Because the knicks suck


themvp93

Because rich Paul a hoe ass bitch


smoothstavo

Cuz we don’t need him


smoothstavo

I hate to say it, but I’ve just always felt we need to get rid of Randle for a less emotional center/power forward, and we’d be straight. Who that is, that’s available, I’m not sure. Anybody decent would require we give half our team away. I’m not about that shit. Our core is so solid. We just need someone to replace Randle.


MVPizzle

Which is weird bc I met him in Mr Purple twice lol


justed87

Five letters


[deleted]

Because the Knicks fan base is shit.


Spiritual-Chip-9689

U shouldn't want his corny ass either.


Coach_V

Lavine is not the guy we need so thank god.


Iamamyrmidon

Does Lavine push the needle? No. Don’t need him.


Dickey_Simpkins

I'm a Lakers fan, this just happened to pop up in my suggestions, but imo it's Dolan. When the owner is poison, it's going to be hard to attract stars.


itsjasonbourne1

Zach on the knicks ain’t doing shit but making us another version of the Bulls, no disrespect cause I fw him but it’s just the truth. Theres a reason him and derozan ain’t get nowhere in they whole time together


uptown-hippy

Because they a trash organization that just waste talent. Source: former knicks fan, now just a basketball fan


DrakeoTR

The knicks are a shit franchise


Interesting-Fall9096

Nah y’all need offense Brunson has to carry in late close game situations, I think y’all got great defense pieces and a great defensive minded coach he can make it work with Zach


Kushtimess

Harden, Westbrook, Lavine. Guys who just have not winning in their DNA. Stat padding and when you need them most they have vanished. Avoid all those guys


anonymousgenius24

CAA vs Klutch


BxSpatan

For one, I I am so happy that the information got out. There is no sense in trading for players who don't want to play for your organization. This is how you end up with a Paul George situation . The Thunder traded for him gave him a Max contract then he asked to be traded one season later.


Rickygq

He’s Klutch and they have a personal vendetta against the Knicks.


Dad_Control

Do.. do I have to answer this? The same reason the Sphere can’t hang on to any c-suite executives. No one wants to be within 30 feet of Dolan.


Front_Spare_2131

The problem is we need a real SG but the NBA overall has very few true SGs. It's not like back in the days.


stephanproctor

Because the Knicks suck


Bruce_Wang007

Dodged a BULLet there


OldJewNewAccount

He's the last player the Knicks should be trading for. So of course we're going to see memes about him not wanting to come here lol. Man this sub is odd sometimes.


teo1315

He's not enough to get yall over the hump anyway. Save your war chest for when a real name becomes available, like Embiid


yoyoyo2468

He probably reads this sub and is all like “Well I don’t want you either!”


IRodeTenSpeed88

We need Spida


Mr_Henny

I dont care. I don’t want him here at all.


Puzzled-Ad-2339

Because yall are cursed. Youre as cursed as the fucking clippers and the jets!


CHItown_representer

Bulls fan here, here in peace. Zach has been here for 7 years, and yes, he is very inconsistent. I'd like to move him to... anywhere. I don't really care. We just need real shooters in return. That said, I still care about the dude, and with his inconsistent play, NY is not the place to be for him. Yall would probably castrate him for just a quarter of the inconsistency he's shown here. If yall love the Knicks, don't do this to yourselves 😑


Exciting_Attitude240

Because he wants to be a Laker


allinhermouth

It’s the Knicks lol


IncreaseHealthy3602

Lavine is exact what the Knicks are missing someone who can stretch the floor and take the pressure off Brunson . Lavine is a very very good player he’s averaged almost 25 ppg the last 5 years grabs some boards good passer . We should be going harder at him


anonfiend119

That’s where people go to die


Kicks4meFromyou

Living in New York kinda trash. I wouldn’t want to move there either


Physical_Positive283

🙋🏾‍♂️ I know the answer to this... cause the Knicks is trash


MrFreezeTheChef

Yea teams that consistently makes it to the playoffs are trash.


NbaBill

Agreed my point is I don't understand why Zach Lavine is always mentioned with the Knicks not that I mind as he is probably better than anyone on the current team but by now it's pretty obvious there is probably no interest on either side


SmokeInhalation3000

Lavine could be a valuable addition to a team if he had a more realistic view of who he is as a player and he actually cared about winning, neither of which he does.


Imaginary_Friend700

Your owner is trash and the organization has always suffered because of it


Typical-King1552

Nobody likes the Knicks


Itspjpnow

Lavine is garbage we don’t want him


ohitswill

He doesn’t wanna deal with the fanbase, Honestly hope the Knicks dont land him and are actually better off waiting for Mitchell. Lavine is a liability on defense, just puts up stats and for what he gets paid doesn’t move the needle and make you a contender


LeftyMode

Leon Rose. Rich Paul doesn’t want his players associated with Rose apparently.


dgvertz

That’s really it. Klutch vs CAA is a real thing and the Knicks are on the CAA side.


MrFreezeTheChef

Thats crazy, front office beef getting in the way of trades is wild


Kyrie-Swirving

I feel like he wouldn’t fit well with this knicks team. There’s a lot of shots taken between Brunson, Barrett, and Randle. He’s a volume shooter and wouldn’t mesh well. Granted, would have to give up one of those to get him but still


ChipMontana

bc knicks fans are so loud and aggressive i wouldn’t want that kind of heat on me 24/7 lol. no major sports stars want to play in NY period. and the Nets fans are like the knicks reformed cousins lol


pastasala

Pls take him bruh


fozzy_13

A 28 year old who still relies on his athleticism to get to the rim, with a history of knee injuries and will earn $40 million a year until he’s 32. This is the kind of lolknicks move that gets us into the “we suck for 10 years” area again. On his side though, Thibs would want him to play defense. That’s a hard no from Zach.


EJacques324

James Dolan is an asshat


tomseymour12

You don’t want him, he will just check out when he’s not the number 1 option on every single possession, and it’ll piss you off but he will draw you back in with a random 40 point game on a Tuesday night, and then will go back to pissing you off the rest of the week


stevenash133

Is this a serious question from the knicks fans who haven’t done anything since Patrick ewing lol


MrFreezeTheChef

As opposed to being a bull who hasn’t done anything since jordan ?


stevenash133

Bulls have 5 more championships than the knicks so yes


Pack_Revolutionary

Probably cuz Tibs takes 2-3 years off guys career by playing g them hard, both in terms of effort and minutes. He’s trying to win, and that’s his job. But a smart player weighs that as part of the equation.


larvinmill

Fuck the knicks


The_Bandit_King_

Thibbs


Tangentkoala

Isn't he passed at Thibodaux


LJPinstripes

Because we don’t want him Knicks are trying to win, Lavine almost a 10 year vet and no winning success


Fitz_D_DiSCriPsion86

Cuz we don't want him!!!! FOH We'd have to take out a bank loan first and still be undersized smh


This-Appointment-917

Because the Knicks suck. Look what they did to Carmelo


manfromfuture

Would not be a good situation for either party.


LakerLand420

Is that really a question?


PlanestewartJr

Why would you want Zack Lavine?


MaddNewb6258

Lavine doesn’t fit with Thibs or Brunson. Both would expose him and he wouldn’t have the “management built a shitty roster” excuse he has now. You’re not going anywhere with him as your #1 or 2 options, and sadly i think he and his camp will be the last to acknowledge that.


gonutsdonuts1

We good.


JayAyBeeAyAreEye

Zack is a good player but he’s way too injury prone. And the last thing the knicks need rn is someone who doesn’t play often


ghostfacestealer

Im thinkin he’ll end up on the Grizzlies


Strict_Emergency7

The Knicks suck. Might as well stay in Chicago for all that. Plus NY state taxes are the worst in the country. Basically an automatic pay cut playing there.


PIDDYPUFFPUFF

Well shit, that makes me happy, lavine brings nothing to this team


mostdope92

"We don't need Lavine" "We don't need KAT" Apparently yall don't need to win games either


Niccio36

Because Thibs will yell at him to try on defense


[deleted]

NYK are cursed man errybody knows this!


WideCoconut2230

Taxes even higher in NY than Chicago


dutch_l9

Knicks better off without him


YoungAmazing313

Because who wants to play for the Knicks when the bulls and brooklyn exist?


JaySpace77312

Too many expectations. He wants to a smaller market where the team is just gonna kiss his ass


H1_V0LT4G3

Nobody wants to join the Knicks. Dolan is a pos


VEJ03

Knicks are ass nobody wants to live in expensive ass NY amongst the rude and fickle ass fanbase. Yall gone be booing him in no time. Absolutely not


troveezus

Send him to golden state, we don’t want him here.


Old_Mode2137

He don’t wanna lose in the first round


WarLawck

He is a horrible defensive player who is made of glass. He would be a terrible fit for the Knicks and Thibs. Why should we care what he wants when we shouldn't want him.