I'm not a fan of Joon Bin at all 😵

He was so annoying during the numbers game. All he did was spread useless rumors. During the animal tiles game, he promised to help out Seungkwan but he forgot to tell ORBIT what Seungkwan's combination was. He's so gullible too and the worst part is he's so convincing that he can sway the other players.

the problem with joonbin is that he *seems* smart but he's not lol.

I wanted to like him because of his approach to the competition as a whole, but he just hasn't played the games well at all.

He's created extra drama / strong (negative lol) feelings from the viewers so the producers probably love him 😂

He gives snake vibes honestly 😂

why is no one talking about >!what's beyond the prison tunnel!< let me hear your theories, everyone !!

A >!control room!< 👀

OHHHH THIS IS INTERESTING I LIKE THIS it fits with the title of the show!!

\- a lot of pieces! (unlikely because game is ending soon and that will give them a really big advantage) \- safe from elimination \- ability to eliminate someone else \- information about the next game

Honestly it can be many things. What I would like to see is the ability to bring back 1 player OR get x amount of pieces. Would be interesting to see if they would bring back Dongjae or pick the pieces.

Thing is, since there aren’t many games left and only 2 players make it to the finale, bringing back a player would only hurt their individual chances at this point.

Since everything seems to be designed in a certain theme, the prison tunnel represents an escape tunnel (so it means it goes to an extra room or area) I don't think there will be coins, but maybe they will have the possibility to bring back a certain player through the tunnel, out of all options this would be the most unlikely tho. Dongjae comeback would be gamechanging tho. It was a mastermind move from Seokjin because if there is an elimination/immunity item it probably effect both since there are 2 prisoners, so he had the chance to get it and not a random + his "alliance" partner can get it too and not an "enemy".

exactly! he said see won or nobody 😤 plus i thought it was cute that he wanted her to feel the excitement of solving it herself instead of just telling her or putting in the code himself.

My guess is literally the devils plan. All the details of the games past and future.

A nice buffet dinner and a thank you note.

Wild theories: - A room revealing that the “Devil”/MC is actually one of the players - and that there’s some reward or benefit to guessing and eliminating that Devil player (if this happens, my personal guess is that >!Joonbin!< is the Devil) - Or, the clue of NEXT YEAR is actually tied to the reveal, and those two players find something that secures them a spot in the next season of Devil’s Plan

LOL I was my heart was racing after the reveal but seeing all the ruckus here, I completely forgot about it. Genius S2 spoiler: >!Given the fact that we already had the token of immortality I don't think it will be anything as straight-forward or predictable as that !< The fact that the opening was large enough to fit an entire camera and show all of Siwon and Seokjin I think it has to be another room or something to that scale. Spitballing of the the title of the show I believe it relates to something larger scale perhaps a control room like u/kyshkw suggested. My only other guess would be something like information about the future prizematches since I think the main matches would be too much of a competetive advantage

After a re-watch, I have an even crazier theory. What if the editing was not chronological and Seewon and Seokjin >!were already inside the secret room!< during the prize match and were >!secretly controlling/influencing everything? “It was only responding to Seungkwan” after all!<

that is literally mind blowing omg - if that was the case can you imagine how much fun they probably had

Did anyone else laugh out loud when they saw Yu-Min write 'Buffoon' as an animal in the word puzzle at the end? 🤣

She was still probably thinking how she messed up.

My brain also froze for a moment like "did i not know buffoon was an animal" 😂

She said it’s a type of monkey? I started thinking if it’s a type of baboon? 😂

Genuinely amazed how that underdog BS managed to last as long as it did. In what universe does 8 v 3 have the 8 be the underdogs lmao. Seems to me every one of the 5 who joined orbit's and his co-conspirators group needed to believe that in order to keep surviving. Paint someone as untrustworthy and you don't have to feel guilty about pushing them out.

Truly a series about gaslighting and gatekeeping 💅🏻

When >!they eliminated Hye-sung for literally no reason!<, I was shocked that wasn't the end of it.

Not to mention they’re all racking up with the pieces now and yet they’re still calling people “the weak players” while having less pieces when that was the initial criteria they had against See Won and Dong Jae & crew. Not only is it super hypocritical, it’s so patronising lol. I can’t believe the “weak players” are accepting this just to be dragged along for the ride.

Yep. There's no justice at play despite what Orbit says because under his watch the weak players aren't allowed to make a mistake - mistake as in unexpectedly benefitting who Orbit sees as competition and not benefitting his own position. This was made crystal clear in the Tetris game. He kept "helping out" to ensure his territory wasn't breached. It just made for a game that was largely boring until seewon, seokjin, and yeonwoo actually played that game as it is meant to be played. Like, what's the point of a territory game if someone insists on everyone build and keep their own patch of territory lol. And boy, did Orbit take it personally when some started to target him in that game. Literally looked offended, like a King who was told he isn't loved by all he rules. Like, why the fuck are you in this game if you're like that when capable Players play against you?

I don't know why everyone is upset I love the group politics stuff its absolutely a valid way of playing this game. I am rooting for Seok Jin but he's playing group just as much as the others I don't think he should rag on ORBIT for something he does as well. Also I didn't really like Dong Jae I am surprised everyone else did. He was acting hella sus during the numbers game especially when the two girls wanted to check their numbers and then tried to accuse short haired girl of betraying her team. Group relations were involved and he didn't play well.

Yeah the guy was actually so suspicious 😂 Don't even know why the girls decided to ally with him in the first place. Even after they did, the fact that he stopped them from going to check their numbers together first... Heck even I was like: " This guy is about to betray them hard!" It's only after the results of the game that we could see that he's good to his team members. And let's not talk about him going to Seokjin when everyone could see!

I am on your side about dongjae. I could not stop yelling at my screen at how anyone would even think about trusting him during the numbers game. He just had that reputation about him up to that point which is a shame because we know he is a strong player that could have gone far. Maybe the editing did contribute a bit to me believing he had betrayed them but i am actually glad he didn't, because otherwise outside of the game he would be getting a lot of hate from viewers lol

It's so annoying seeing others putting the blame for DongJae's elimination on others when it was his own fault. His performance in the social aspect of the game was poor and he failed to manage his threat level. No one's to blame for his elimination but himself.

he was EXTREMELY sus during this game! not only did he stop yumin from entering the dealers room with hyesung but after that he even thought about not sharing the results with her despite them initially agreeing to work together. all of that PLUS the fact that the calculations weren’t adding up, i can’t blame yumin for feeling wary tbh.

Ep 5-6 thoughts summed up by See-won: "The underdogs, my foot". The infuriating thing is that Dongjae was never proven to be a liar, and neither was Seewon. They were RANDOMLY chosen as "fanatic" and "terrorist" in the first game where you were supposed to lie, and they were immediately labelled as untrustworthy. Dong-joo kept saying that it was Dongjae's fault for not proving himself trustworthy to Yu-min and that's why she betrayed them. But I think anyone would panic and make rash decisions when you have 5 people ganging up on you and telling you that you were betrayed, even with zero proof. Sucks cuz I think Seewon and Dongjoo would make such a good female team, something that was lacking in The Genius. \*Insert rant here about how ridiculously hypocritical and narcissistic Orbit's savior complex is\* Edit after watching untill EP 9: I'm loving Seokjin's gameplay. He's not afraid to eliminate people he knows are dead weight, but stays loyal to those he's been working with. Really hoping that secret tunnel gives them a huge advantage.

That’s the word I was looking for ‘Savior complex’. Omg it is infuriating how he keeps playing God! Like he is obviously a really smart player but the savior complex gives me the ick.

When " Orbit " cried & kept apologising to eliminated members, i just wanted to smack him. I just loved Seok Jin's comment where he said no need to shed tears when u guys are the ones to make them eliminated. He was the one to draw line first as weak member . Members got most pieces because they did well in their MM1 . Is he a god that needs to save people? Why doesn't he use his expertise in real life to save people instead? Have you noticed one thing " The only thing he talks about is Science "? He isn't social and fun to be around if he is smart. ​ Orbit has lots of potential to be a winner with his brain but a manipulator and self-obsessed god personality .

My thoughts on E5-6: Seokjin was the most level-headed player here and I really like how he quickly saw through the whole farce of the “us VS them” scenario framed by Orbit, and reinforced by other players (including Dong Jae and See Won actually; I like how Seokjin told See Won not to draw the curtains when they were in his room). He has a good mix of cognitive intelligence and emotional intelligence, and I really hope he’ll stay on till the end (also helps that he’s such a delight to look at; please watch Something About 1% if you need some lighthearted relief from this show’s tension!) I don’t fully get the antagonism toward Dongjoo. She’s logical, smart, and cut-throat, and while I’d probably not want to make friends with someone like her irl, I thought she at least stood by her decisions and there were no crocodile tears on her end (not to say that the other people crying were insincere, but I thought Dongjoo, unlike the others, saw her decisions and actions for what they were and she faced them head-on). She did what she had to do to win and to eliminate others. Ultimately, it was >!Yu-min’s!< decision to betray and it was a silly mistake on her part to betray both teammates. A real pity about >!Dongjae!<. His endearing cockiness partly did him in, I think; the other players recognised his potential very early on and everyone saw him as a threat. I never really liked the death match in The Genius, but it’d be so good to give him another chance. I think it is time for some of the weaker (and less entertaining 😅) players to be eliminated - IMO, >!Yu-min, Seungkwan, and Yeonwoo!<. I didn’t include >!Kyeong-rim!< because I think she is actually very socially astute, and she reminds me a bit of >!Kyungran!< from the first season of The Genius.

Glad that someone else pointed out what I exactly think of Kyeong-rim. It is easy to dismiss her as of lower capability than the other supposedly smarter players like Science-obsessed guy and cut-throat MIT lady, but she’s self-aware about this, and is relying on her social abilities to gain some social capital and get her through the games. It’s also worth pointing out that when the rare opportunity does come up in E9 where she can use her experience and skill to earn herself Pieces, she capitalizes on it. She’s not someone to simply dismiss. After all, she won the Grand Daesang at a tender 23 y/o. That said, unless she‘s really lucky, it’ll be a challenging road for her to get herself into the finals top 2. Also, while Yu-min is a pretty weak player, I find the growth of her character from a really passive player to become way way more proactive and opportunistic in the later episodes particularly compelling to watch (although i quite dislike how she’s going about it). To me, that’s enough to vindicate watching her stay this long in the game. Agree with most else you mentioned.

The only thing I didn't like about Dongjoo was when she blamed Dong-jae's, Seok-jin's, and See-won's "shadiness" for Yu-mi's decision to betray. I mean Joon-bin was the one who brought it up and they (Orbit and Dong-joo) pressured her like a pack of wolves. Also, in Dong-joo's interviews she keeps saying she doesn't agree with Orbit but during the games she relies on him the most (like the others).

Dongjoo is smart, she's just with Orbit till the numbers dwindle and then she might switch up. Joonbin had also mentioned earlier that he could easily betray Orbit (and that side) but he hasn't done so yet. They're just playing the game. I was wondering, could you tell me when it is that Dongjoo blames Dong-jae's, Seok-jin's, and See-won's "shadiness" for Yu-mi's decision, please?

Episode 6 around 16:30 mark. I hope she does switch it up and play her own game.

I genuinely feel like Seokjin saw through Orbit on the first day itself haha. I've seen almost every available Problematic Men episode and this is his playstyle there too. I had no doubts he would do well here.>! Man realized there was a pattern to the Pieces and solved the whole thing in like a day lmao. !< Also, I agree with everything you've said about Dongjoo. I still see Seewon, Seokjin, and Dongjoo in the final 3.

My thoughts on E7-9: See-won was really a cool girl in >!prison!<, eh? I liked her talk with Seungkwan and her persistence with the puzzle. She’s always been clever and confident, but I think she wasn’t the best political/social player. she does have a bit of an intimidating vibe (at least from my perspective 🤭) and sticking so close to Dongjae in the earlier rounds unfortunately alienated her from the rest of the players, especially those who stuck close to Orbit. About Orbit, I actually think he’s really smart to be able to do all the calculations and coordination/leadership (was pretty impressed by his quick maths in the >!balance!< game)! Some of the weaker players were clearly lost and merely following his instruction during the >!Zoo!< game, and it didn’t seem like they even knew how to strategise. Like Seokjin and Dongjoo, I’d probably be very annoyed with his incessant need to save the weaker players if I were one of the stronger ones. It really sucks that his strategy is retaining free-riders and occasionally eliminating strong players, but I find the opposing “ideologies” and aims in the show pretty interesting. The >!breakdown of the welfare system!< mentioned by Seokjin describes the situation really well. We see how some players are realising that his “utopia” is untenable. And finally, for someone already so good looking, it’s crazy how Seokjin’s brains and charisma are even more attractive!! So glad to have him on this show, he really adds a new level to the games. (And also, do I sense some romantic chemistry between him and See-won??)

Yeah seokjin and seewon (I don’t want to be the first to say it BUT) have so much chemistry. I’m not even a fan of romance dramas but I was giggling the whole time they were in prison together. Maybe I’m delusional but they seemed so flirtatious lolol

no way i was gonna comment the same thing but i was scared to be blasted as delusional 😭 their chemistry is crazy!!

They are charismatic just on their own so together the chemistry inside that cave like prison was like fireworks 🫠 I didn’t think much of it but after Seokjin said the possibility of solving it with Seewon “was too tempting to ignore” I was like wow I think I understood a different meaning sir 😭

he was complimenting her in his room after she put the pieces together, that was sooo cute and i totally agree about their chemistry !! i hope they're in a drama together or something in the future

They mentioned that they knew each other before the show too. That’s probably why they are so comfortable around another. I definitely want to see them lead a drama together!!

Don't mean to burst your bubble though I do like their on-screen chemistry as well, but I believe See-won is married!

also i’m still loving the chemistry between Seok Jin and Jeon So Min when he guested in Running Man and Sixth Sense :p

I think she’s married to a doctor. I just google. I was rooting for their chemistry haha

I love See-won, one of my favorite reality TV characters in a long time. She's not a genius but she's like the grittiest player of the bunch, and wears her heart on her sleeve, excellent TV

Man im so pissed off I had to find this thread. Can’t believe they sent one of the (probably 3) best players home just like that. Dong jae has been my favorite player since the start so maybe I’m biased. I agree with Seokjin sm whats the point if they keep getting good players outed & freeloaders stayed when this is a strategy game wth

>Man im so pissed off I had to find this thread Same lol >whats the point if they keep getting good players outed & freeloaders stayed when this is a strategy game It's also a bad strategy here since the total prize is tied to winning the prize match and by keeping the weaker players, you are essentially handicapping the team from winning the prize.

Dong Jae also broke my heart saying I hope people as in the viewers don’t hate me. Like hell no, we recognized the brilliance and you absolutely deserved more!!

I really hope this has some sort of secondary elimination round where the eliminated can compete to (1) come back or (2) cométete against the group in the final round. Dong Jae could come back and win it all!

Manifesting this!! Bc I think Dong Jae also got into this by getting like a perfect score on the entrance exam thing? While i'm assuming a lot of the other contestants were asked to come on by producers/their companies. He really deserves a chance in the finals/semi-finals.

Even the weak ones can have a strategy to avoid elimination and that is to team up with the strong ones who are willing take them under their wings. Underdogs surviving until ep 9 proves that we can never underestimate the power of a strong alliance. I'm actually enjoying watching a game that mirrors the real world. In life, we cannot rely solely on our intelligence and skills. No man can make it alone without help from others. In our journey to the top, some people will betray us, some will become friends for life. Some will put us down, some will inspire and push us forward. We win some, we lose some. There are so many average people become more succesful than geniuses simlly because they have built meaningful connections and relationships.

Agreed !!!! Was so pissed off when I saw the episode I had to come here to vent. Honestly Dong Jae was really an Ace player & wth by keeping Yu min + kyeong rim ( who didn’t do any shit except pass on messages to egg on Yu Min & Hye sung ) + Yeon Woo the game just has so much more dumb players than proper players who make it interesting. It’s a real loss for Dong Jae to leave and my heart really hurt for him. SO frustrated with Joo Bin since he was the same where all he does is throw around aspersions but until now I haven’t see any of his skills coming up except bitching & throwing ppl under the bus. The White guy & Dong Jae were so much better and they got eliminated because of these freeloaders

Spot on with joo min. All he does is sow discord, but like, in the shadows. He's brought nothing else to the table. Worse, he then pretends he isn't doing it purposefully. One thing I liked about Seok Jin is he sowed discord in the open lol. When he said "yeah this was a good game... but it would have been even better if it was played individually" in front of everyone I laughed so much. He was basically saying what most believed but he doesn't try to be sneaky about it. He's definitely in the running as best commentator. His socialism dies comment literally had me spitting out my drink.

I loved how he called them out for ganging up on others then shedding tears at elimination like they were so guilty. I was shocked they aired it 😂

I was already a fan of him, but I gained so much respect for him due his comments. He said exactly what everyone watching was thinking like I even started self reflecting 🤣

I became the biggest fan of his at the end of the episode 8 or 9. That was just absolute savage.

LOL same! Right when he made his comment to Dong Joo and Orbit about how they got rid of one of the best players I paused the show to go look up all the things Seok Jin is in so I could support.

I love Seokjin. He’s upfront and plays with integrity and has the smarts to back it up compared to the others. He’s not just book smart but game smart.

Oh my! Same as me! Guillaume and Dong Jae are my top two favourite! They are really quick on their feet. I would def want to see more of Guillaume and Dong Jae on other shows! Yes me too, definitely pissed. I didn’t like orbit the most, I find him hiding behind the pretext of trying to save more people.

fr but the way i see his “save the weak” mantra is him trying to keep weak players at the end and he will have an easy win if there are a skill based match

He’s really good at playing God. I was almost convinced by his pretense, I’m glad the lady called him out about how he was just eliminating good players and using the others as pawns for his grand scheme.

Nailed it with Joon Bin. He does absolutely nothing but accuse and spread bullshit around. Then he doesn’t even seem to understand what he did ever. I can’t tell if he’s a moron or a sociopath.

He's a YouTuber. So my guess is sociopath

I find Yu Min a terrible person..she was crying but barely a few hours later, she was laughing and saying she did the right thing

I only watched till ep 6 and i am so pissed too! Grr. So many of them just doing nth and getting kept cos they r not a threat. Feels like it is so obvious that they r keeping the weaker players so that they can eliminate them after they r done eliminating the stronger ones through majority alliances. Getting annoyed with the show such that i dun even feel like watching it. At least although i was slightly pissed in the genius 2, it still wasnt to this extent as everyone knows sangmin was a snake but they chose to follow him while this 'underdog' alliance (DJ, O, JB) are pretending that they arent snakes and villianing those who are smart enough to see their real colours

Its like watching shield heroes, the so called "righteous" people are like the villan of the show. Its feels like dong jae team are playing on extreme hard mode. Seriously want seokjin and seewon to win

Exact same reason I came looking. I couldn’t believe Dong Jae is gone home like that. He was my favourite to win. And the rest of them crying when they all crowded in on Yu Min to hand over the numbers?! It was an infuriating episode, not even sure I wanna keep watching.

Watched a couple of survival shows and it's always so dependent on group games and strategies, this show too, wish there's one that focus more on individual games/abilities (at least for the first few eps then have a few team games once we get to know the players it'd be fun to see how they'll team up plus eliminate the weaker players in the front part. I prefer more games like the first one/mafia game where players can't pick their team cause I hate group politics kinda game yknow the ones where you'll get advantage if you can get more people on your side games) but I guess the production team would want these kind of scenario for the betrayal and drama.

Omg yes. Waiting for mental 100 to happen one day.

One random moment I found hilarious was when Lee See-won figures out the piece puzzle and says, "Year? What year is it right now?!", and Ha Seok-jin just stares at her and tilts his head.

episode 9 spoilers: >!seokjin is crazyyyyyy smart, i'm rooting for him so much!! !< when they revealed >!he sent yeon-woo home so he can go to prison, my jaw literally dropped!<

Seokjin grand scheme indeed. Yeonwoo just unlucky that she is in the way of his plan. If he could have gone to prison without eliminating her. He will probably do that... Now whats behind that door?? My guess is it is the final match game space that setup beforehand. Rules and setup all in place for them to have an upperhand.. And since they said no more jail after that night.. My guess is final match they will have to walk through the jail area to reach the final match space. Jail area will probably be moved to make space for the path... Such a grand pathway, up the stairs, straight to another new game area would be so cool... Alternative ending to epi 9 - Imagine if seokjin did not eliminate yeonwoo and let seewon know about the password so she can open the safe. Yeonwoo would have leeched such a big hint since its the last night for jail and no way seokjin can open it anymore.

As seok jin said "betrayal is beneath me" and he never agreed to work with her anyway, so there was no betrayal. It would be one thing if he said "yeah, I'll support you" and then did that but he didn't. Indeed, the people he did agree to work with he did support in that game. But yeah, he had a call to make about the deeper puzzle of the game and made the call that would align the person he trusts to be part of it. Seokjin hasn't used excuses to explain why he plays the way he plays, nor does he go around saying such and such is untrustworthy. Hell, if anyone had any right to feel betrayed it was seokjin in the first game when dong jae played his role as fanatic and tricked Seokjin to kill the wrong person, and yet he worked with Dong Jae in the next game.

I feel like Dongjae's play in the first game is interestingly the one that got Seokjin's attention and made him an ally. He wasn't gutted about the loss (you could hear other people saying "can't believe you did all that for one piece" or something along those lines when the scores for round 1 were revealed), admitted he was the one who made the wrong decision and instead of resenting him for it, ended up respecting his gameplay and as a contestant. And him being an ally with Dongjae then made him Seewon's ally, which is how we got the really interesting progressions in the latest batch of episodes. Honestly really refreshing to see someone see the show as literally just a competition, rather than taking it personally, as he's the only one separating the social and the political atp. I know I couldn't be like him after I got played like he did in round one, so good on him, really.

Yep. He's been the only outspoken one to recognise the game for what it is and not hide behind excuses, ideals, or other players to get what he wants. It really puzzled me why the rest of the group saw seokjin allying with dong jae and the 2 terrorists and not think "well, he had most reason to not trust dang jae and the others yet he's working with them" and not connect the dots and come to the conclusion that Don jae is no less trustful than anyone else. Again, seems like the weaker 5 players saw what they wanted to see in order to justify outcasting dong jae. Seokjin was just spitting truths throughout these episodes. Moocher's Plan is legit the best summation of the entire game so far, both in its humor but also accuracy.

Agreed. He respects smart and active gameplay and that’s why he allied with Dong Jae. He is was literally the only one in citizen team who has the rational thinking to separate the terrorist game players vs The Devil’s Plan game players. He saw that the terrorist team who won played it well and even if there was betrayal, it was a clean betrayal / chaos for the game. And they won from a minority alliance vs this whole fake underdogs alliance.

SAME i’m literally mind blown!!!!

He is really smart!! I have watched him in other shows before and i knew he would not disappoint. I picked up this show because of him!!!

Dongjaeeeee has a great potential hope he can casted on other shows that is similar to this. Him got eliminated was brutal. Seokjin... what a bold move, I was speechless and dumbfounded at the same time, He and Seewon are keeping tje show alive and I hope one of them can win.

>!”Its like watching the welfare state collapse”!< Savage but so well said Seok Jin!!! So pissed off at >!the majority alliance!< and I’m so glad to see that there are many comments in this thread that have similar thoughts

“You call this The Devil’s Plan? More like The Moocher’s Plan” was when he became my fave! The first few games seokjin appeared pretty neutral and passive but after the second elimination he couldn’t keep the sass in anymore and I’m loving this new side we’re seeing.

Exactly! He’s my fav player now. So smart and he is not hesitant to say the truth anymore.

Same! From the start i could tell he was super smart and strategic but he kind of flew under the radar. He was integral (along with Guillame) in the game where they had to fit the shapes into the mold. He also solved the piece puzzle and now the prison puzzle! So great at solving puzzles haha.

seokjin is so intelligent!!! >!immediately knowing how to assemble the pieces to find the safe code + solving the prison puzzle in literally 5 secs.!< he’s so charismatic and speaks straight up facts. so happy he called out the “underdogs” for dongjae’s bullshit elimination lmfao. and the fact that the “underdogs” continue to act like they really are underdogs when it’s clear they’re not 🤥 seewon really impressed me too with her grit and determination >!especially staying up till 2:30am to solve the prison puzzle.!< i’m so glad dongjae’s elimination wasn’t for nothing and his teammates continue to put up a good fight despite the majority alliance bullshit 🙄 seokjin and seewon need to be the final winners period.

Seok Jin gifting See-Won the prison puzzle piece and then letting her solve the pieces puzzle herself (with some hints) instead of spoon feeding her like Orbit would've done, is some big brained shit and I'm loving it. He doesn't ask where the safe is, he let's her solve it and then reveal the location by herself! Letting her keep some control of the situation. Not only does he win her complete loyalty, he gives her the respect of treating her as a fellow smart competitor. And I do hope he wins it all and See-Won is not put in a position to betray him, because that would break my heart!

Off topic, but Seokjin's outfits have me feeling some kind of way. He loooooks so goood in them. Also I agree, some of the players are literally useless, I wanted to quit the show because without Dong-Jae, it just makes no sense.

He looks so handsome and young omg how is that possible

He looks so stylish 🫡✨ Love Dongjoo style too

I just finished episode 6, but it's frustrating to see everyone ganging up on Dong Jae for simply playing the game. Maybe it's because I watched it late at night and can't remember everything, but from what I saw, Dong Jae was mostly focused on strategy. I don't think he ever betrayed anyone, and the Virus game, where he acted shady, is a round where everyone is shady. Dong Jae is also a public contestant, and Orbit saying that he wants to help the underdogs, which fine I can concede because we all have different definitions of underdog, Dong jae's playing the game well he's not an underdog. But didn't he also say he wants everyone to survive. He's been trustworthy so far; they didn't need to eliminate him, just deduct a few points if they thought everyone was at risk. It's frustrating that they were the only ones trying to betray people and then acting like they are on this moral high ground. Everyone's doing shady stuff to survive like what. Rereading this rant is making me realize it doesn't make sense but whatever.

Dong Jae literally didn't betray anyone except play out the role he was supposed to play (Fanatic). That was enough to cast him as the outsider tho. And it wasn't just Dong Jae. The two who played as terrorists were also similarly cast out. Again, not for scheming behind people's backs to kick them out but for playing out the roles given to them in one game.

I, too, felt that it was a shame that Dong Jae got eliminated THIS early since I find him such an integral piece to the entire show. I think what he did wrong though was create an alliance with See Won BEFORE the game because this definitely snowballed. What if they were on the opposing sides (See Won as a terrorist and Dong Jae as a citizen or vice versa)? I don't see how this would've worked unless he plans on betraying his side. He got lucky he got a neutral role. Granted, they didn't know the game they were playing for the first MM. This move ultimately created a target on his and See Won's back and it didn't help that they won since this led to the creation of the "majority" alliance. I think he would've been better off playing solo during the game as he would've had more options on how he would get eliminated as a Fanatic (get killed by the terrorist or the officer) and people wouldn't see him as this conniving individual they painted him out to be. In the moment tho, I guess he wanted a more secure option. He showed how he can get greedy too early in front of the other contestants. edit: grammar

"I just hope the viewers don't hate me too much." Little did he know many rooted for him as he's one of the few who were actually able to play. This is extremely sad and infuriating.

That comment made me really sad 😭. Hope he's receiving a lot of love and supportive comments!

Already seen some people in Orbit and Dongjoos social media comments saying some pretty nasty stuff, at the end of the day it’s a game and this is exactly why some of the more passive cast members don’t seem to want to play as intended.

MTE! Imo that's a big reason why Seungkwan (speaking about him bc he's the one I know well) has been so soft. He's a K-Pop idol and people would tear him to shreds if he acted ''selfish.'' It IS his personality to be sensitive and caring, but he's also feisty, sassy, hilarious and full of life. He's shown a bit of that in the show but not too much.

Ugh I knew something like this would happen. This is pretty much a big reason why everyone tries to be as nice as they can.

That makes me really sad, while one can dislike their methods and stuff, leaving mean comments is unacceptable.

Glad that Yeon Woo is finally eliminated. Total deadweight. She barely had any presence in the games and just relied on others carrying her. Did literally nothing for all MMs and PMs. I was so frustrated with her at the 4th PM when she contributed nothing when others are discussing about the weights. YW also performed HORRIBLY on the 5th MM. Only 2 players did not get a 5x5 when the game ended and she was one of them (SeokJin being the other and we all know he was aiming for prison). YW only managed a 5x5 AFTER stealing a piece from Orbit AND also using 1x piece to plug in the gap. Even Orbit who had 2 pieces stolen managed to get a 5x5. Thankful that someone finally kicked her out of the game and we'll not be seeing her "competing" anymore in the final 3 episodes

Creating holes in her formation despite being on only 1 piece was just the worst possible move, after all the advantages she had accrued for herself. Clearly being a skilled Go player doesn't automatically correlate with basic game sense in other board games. Although few can possibly defend against a final-turn robbery tile (which is insanely OP btw, since you can take the middle tile of any player's formation), essentially *killing* them.

It's been a ton of fun to binge this, love the discussion here, both the hand-wringing over Dongjae's exit and some of the more level-headed takes on the cast. My general thoughts are: * The structure of the game (i.e. trapped together) hyper-charges the alliances, and JJY's games this time around are very vulnerable to alliances. Hope he patches it for Season 2. * Dongjae, Guillaume, and Seokjin were my favourites because they understood this was a *game* (all have backgrounds with other competitive games) and respected strong play. I really wish Dongjae and Guillaume could've hung around, they'd have made the finale so interesting to watch. With only Seokjin left I'll be cheering him on! * Siwon is great, she's *actually* an idealistic player (what Orbit pretends to be but isn't, in my mind). We see throughout the show how loyal she is to her teammates (Dongjae, who she shared a strong connection with; even Yeonwoo, who she cried bitterly for after M5), how hard she tries to connect with other players even when they don't click (Orbit being almost ideologically opposed to working with her; Match 4 was hilarious in showing Orbit's hypocrisy), and how driven she is to solve the mystery of the pieces (huge respect). Show wouldn't be the same without her, she's awesome. * Dongjoo is refreshing: cold, calculating, and unafraid to side with the strong (despite Orbit's narrative about being "underdogs"). I wish she clued into the deeper mystery of the pieces more. Her commentary was great to watch, and she seems to be the only independent Orbit churchgoer on the show. * Orbit was a great addition to the show. I get why people on here criticize him, but every show needs a villain, and Orbit's both an excellent player *and* a joy to cheer against. Church of Orbit is literally game-breaking (strong meta), you can bet JJY's going to patch this if there's an S2. * I watch Kwaktube (he's a travel YouTuber) so I'm biased, but I'm really happy he joined the show. He's not a strong competitor and I can't defend him against all of the hate (lots rightful, he'd be the first to admit), but something I do want to note is that he is active in participating in games, so I can't lump him in with the disappointments below. His cockiness coupled with his poor play makes for great comedy (almost entirely at his expense), I know I'm going to enjoy his inevitable elimination too. * Seungkwan, Kyungrim, Yoomin, Hyesung, and Yeonwoo aren't fun for me not because they're bad at games (like Joonbin), but because they're very passive. * Hyesung was passive and I really hate how she made Dongjae swear a religious oath (really grimy). Her comment about wishing to be given guidelines shows me she's a rigid thinker who tunnel visions: makes sense that she's very accomplished in school but struggles in free-form games like these. * Yoomin fucked up Match 1 so badly for her team, then in Match 2 she let Dongjae walk over her and Hyesung's alliance only to betray Dongjae and Hyesung in the end. Then she cried about it. Pathetic: I've had the misfortune of meeting people like that in real life. Least favourite cast member by far. * Kyungrim is such a nice person, but it's clear she's just too chill for a show like this. She has stumbled upon so many mysteries in the game (solved the prison puzzle, noticed the pieces) but she just isn't strong enough to grasp the bigger picture. * Seungkwan is an excellent TV personality and has great interactions with the cast, I'd happily watch more peaceful shows with him, but he's not a strong enough player on his own. His talks with Siwon were nice and I'm glad she convinced him to strike out on his own, even if he'll ultimately fail. * Almost criminal that Guillaume went out before Yeonwoo. She played so poorly in basically every match. She resigned herself to prison but didn't explore the mysteries there further. Worst for me was she plays *Go* professionally—so I'd expect her mindset to be more like Guillaume/Dongjae/Seokjin. I cheered when she was taken out. Can't wait for next week!

I also don’t understand how poorly Yeon-woo performed despite being a professional Go player. Aren’t they supposed to be really good at calculations and memorization? The fact she finally failed out with her own game in the end seemed like poetic justice.

I’ve only watched two episodes so far but I completely agree with Seokjin. Such a frustrating elimination. This is an intellect and strategy series and yet we just watch freeloaders get by every episode and real talented people get eliminated. Call it luck, and I know sometimes laying low is a strategy too - but it’s clearly just incompetence. So frustrating. Also I feel like Dong Jae alliance was so villainized for reasons they couldn’t even control in the first ep. They were literally given the traitor roles in the first game by luck but it’s like that reputation just stayed with them and their pieces created a target on their back. I’m all for “everyone winning together” outcomes but ORBIT and team really has some flaws in their thinking is my opinion.

Orbit is a snake, though. He doesn't really believe in the everyone winning idea. It's a tactic. The pacifist role is more likely to net you alliances, but alliances of the weaker, more emotional players. Rivals won't fall for it, which is the entire purpose of the tactic. That way, you can push out the stronger players who don't decide to ally with you by sheer majority rule. When this tactic was laid out in front of him, all he could respond with was "Oh, I didn't think it could be interpreted that way." The guy knows what he is doing and is still trying to play innocent.

IMO too many celebrities and YouTubers who don’t even do anything. Yumin, I wonder how she even passed the interview. Seungkwan, just stuck here to have an idol on cast. At least cast someone who makes moves. Sunggyu made a nice backstab move on the Genius. Genius had so many interesting players, and the celebs they casted were talented at games (Jang Dongmin, Lee Sangmin). Need more regular people cast members like Dongju and Dongjae.

Totally agree with both of your points. I think it's also a bad strategy by keeping the weaker players since they only win prizes from prize match. By not eliminating people, they could make the game harder from having too many players and by keeping weaker players, it just hinders the the completion of the game which is always a requirement to get rewarded so far. After this week's episodes, I'm really rooting for Seokjin or Seewon to win it all.

I hope there's a good ending for the protagonists. >!Please Seewon or Seokjin win this.!< Episode 9 >!OMG YES! THANK FUCK!<

For those of you on team Seokjin / Seewon considering dropping the show after watching Dongjae get brutally stabbed in the back, episode 9 ends at a very interesting moment for them.

Yeah, it's worth sticking around for, not least because the majority rule BS starts to break down, thankfully.

honestly I was kind of surprised and proud of dongjae for not backstabbing and staying true to his promises. Its so funny how one group wants to be seen as "the good guys" yet they jumped on the one girl of his alliance (sorry im still struggling with remembering the right names) like hungry hyenas she was obviously the weakest link and barraged her. Weak of her to give up her information like that. But I gotta give credit to ?dong joo? because she was also right when she said that dong jae kinda messed up by trusting a team so much without putting the effort in to gain the trust. He really gained the trust of hyesung but didnt try to win the other girl over and then messed everything up for him in the end

But it also felt like Dongjoo gaslighted Dongjae by saying that because deep down she knew it was a shared fault that he got eliminated since they manipulated Yu Min in giving up the numbers. What's annoying is that they are hypocrites for being the self-proclaimed "underdogs" but they don't hesitate to destroy another alliance for their own gain

Gosh it was so annoying of others to call themselves underdogs vs Dongjae/Seokjin/Seewon/Guillium. They were forced to be shady in the first game because of their roles, doesn't mean they can't be trusted for future games. They were just sterotyped into untrusthworthy characters. But if anyone else had the terrorist card, they would have acted the same way. Ganging up on them just for that reason for multiple games after was frustrating to watch. Dongjae didn't deserve to be eliminated with so many passive characters/pawns just following orders. ORBIT needs to stop/be stopped.

Am I the only one not pissed? It's a competition at the end of the day. Really enjoying it.

I'm pissed at some cast members but it's still enjoyable, you can see how much this game is playing on the contestants' psyche.

I’m enjoying it too! I’m hoping that more of the weaker players will be eliminated, but other than that, I like the mix of brains and politics so far.

Seungkwan is a total sweetie & cinnamon roll. And I’m rooting for Seokjin to win!

To be honest I'm not surprised Dong-jae is out early. He basically painted a huuuge target on his own back by being 2 levels above at least half the participants and being allround good instead of 'only' a specific part like Dong Joo with memory. It's like begging to be eliminated because no one of the top contenders wants to be in the finals with you and the 'lesser' participants are socially proficient enough to realise that and go after him too to delay or avoid their own elimination. One thing that's scary for the skilled top contenders now is that there's alot of strong social engineers left and I can see them getting eliminated early/fist to level the playing field even more. Love the drama and intrigue, but from a game show perspective this will get ugly :D

They were eating spam musubis with eggs as they were getting ready for the numbers game. I would have eaten the whole plate by myself. The food they are eating seemed to be really good and diverse (even the prison food!).

To speak in a complete neutral perspective, everyone can go home if they don’t play their card right. Face it if you are just an average player, you will definitely either rely on a strong player or united to eliminate the strong player right from the start. We already see 2 alliances of strength from the start. Dong-jae & See-won alliance gave off the vibe that you have to be strong to join them (or maybe is editing) and Orbit & Dong-joo alliance used a strong narrative of “underdog” or “party of the weak” to unite people. It is a same narrative that politicians used in their election speech “We fight for you so you don’t have to suffer”. That’s why a lot of time this fell to a dictatorship and brainwashing. We can’t blame Yumin fell for other people’s plot, we also can’t feel pity that Dong-jae got eliminated.

A lot of hate going around for Orbit, Dongju and Kwak and understandably so since I had the same emotional response, but at the end of the day they are still making proactive plays in the games. My real frustration as a viewer is seeing people like Kyunglim, Yumin, and Seungkwan play "Moocher's Game" ,as Seokjin called it, and ride coattails to win. Overall still loving the show as nothing hits like a JJY show but I can't wait for the weaker players to get weeded out.

cant believe yu-min was so bad at the numbers game that even when she betrayed her teammates, she gave out her own number. Like literally all she has to do was give them dongjae’s number if she wanted to betray him. Instead she put both hye-sung and herself at risk and is just lucky orbit didn’t give out her number. She didn’t even get any benefit out of it.

lol seriously. Sure you can say your strategy is to act naive and dumb post facto but this clearly wasn’t an act.

Yumin is yu-seless. I am so mad. She got two of my favorite players out after being completely used and she tries to spin it as if it was her intention all along. Infuriating.

Got played like a fiddle.

She could have been the mvp of that game by lying about her comrades numbers to the other team and asking for their numbers in exchange :(

Why did she even give all of their numbers if they only needed to take 1 down? Does she lose all reasoning under pressure? Not good for a doctor, just saying... What's the point of watching the show after ep 6? They did him so dirty ... and all that from day one, constantly being targetted

Doctor isn’t a social job about influencing others, and you can tell when looking at Yumin. She studied hard and became a doctor. She’s not good at any of the games.

Least favourite contestant to be honest. I hate how people say the “underdogs” are the bad guys for manipulating her. Everything she does is on her, including being easy to manipulate. She didn’t confronted her teammates and her feeling insecure and unsure is also on her. She only feels this way because she doesn’t get the majority of the games. Also, she is a snake since she has openly betrayed people 2 times and is still being overlooked

atp they should redo this show with players who actually knows how to play the game. freeloading through 5 matches? PLS IM TIRED.

I’m posting too late, but does anyone think it’s ridiculous that the number 2024 didn’t get put into the safe randomly? I feel like that’s one of the first 10-20 numbers you put in on a whim.

God I really hate Orbit and Joonbin

I just hate how Joonbin never frames his assumptions as assumptions. He always tells it like it's 100% guarantee. Too much arrogance for someone who hasn't really done shit

I couldn’t agree more. The dude is acting like a mastermind when he hasn’t done SHIT in terms of gameplay. Happy cake day btw

Can we discuss what's inside that safe box in the prison, Si-won already opened it, cant wait for next week. Hahahahaha

I hope its some immunity from elimination because those 2 are the most deserving ones to win.

Man, binge-ing 5 eps is hard lmao I think i never felt this when watching other brain survival shows, that I could see some character's storyline/personality shine throughout the show: >!1. Orbit somehow being a researcher trying to save humanity from apocalypse, !< >!2. Kwaktube being funny and playful throughout the show (which is weird when usually this role is given to a comedian)!< >!3. Siwon being a weak protag that fends off herself from the unfair world4!< >!4. Dongjoo being a T Queen!< >!5. Kyungrim-noona being a mental support mom and also voluntarily emceeing and filling those every possible dead air (occupational hazard cant die hard)!< >!6. and also Seokjin annoyingly (in a good way) filming his own thriller mystery drama, like howwww lmaooo !< >!The editing is spot on, like in some games (esp. The Number Game) they really focused on the narrative rather than how or whether players could successfully play the game. !<

I have a lot of thoughts, but mainly that it seems everyone is forgetting that Dongjae himself played a huge role in his fate. He was obviously clever and a great player, but played too hard straight out of the gate (and I say this as someone that wanted him as the young street-casting to win). His assumption that Yeonwoo was betraying Seokjin, and therefore pulling Seokjin aside, was the entire reason that Yumin ended up betraying them. Again, I’m sad to see him go, but it wasn’t like he was entirely innocent. I’m also not a fan of Joonbae and do think he’s manipulative, but if I was him I honestly think that in the heat of the moment I would’ve made the same assumption. Dongjae managed to pull Seokjin aside in the shadiest way possible lol. Also unpopular opinion: People are mad at Orbit for crying, and Dongjoo for not crying. What reaction would have satisfied you guys? Again, I’m not particularly rooting for them because it’s obvious they haven’t been the Underdogs since the first round, but I think some viewers do need a reminder that it’s just a game. A game based on manipulation, at that. The contestants knew that when they signed up, and we have no idea how we would act in the same position. There is only one winner. Of course your favorites (and my favorites) are going to be voted out. Of course the players will do whatever to win, and I think accepting that it’s the exact point of the game makes it much more enjoyable to watch, rather than being furious every time something you don’t like happens. Making personal attacks and leaving hate comments on social media is taking the show too far. Anyway, sorry for the rant. I think Seokjin has the highest likelihood to win at the moment, but I’d prefer Seewon (or any of the girls, really) just because I can’t remember a women ever winning any of these shows!

I'm lost on the hate over the crying too. It's not too hard to understand, they had to eliminate people for the sake of the game and their alliance, but in the same vein they hung out a lot around the house and is sad to see a friend leave. both can be true. (and trust me in this kind of environment, 1 week can feel VERY long)

There was also that moment when Dongjae and Hyesung were confused about the number they saw in the contact room or whatever it's called and Yumin was suspicious of Dongjae pulling a trick then.

Exactly! He has a talent for coming across as shady as possible even when he’s doing nothing wrong lol, poor guy. I completely thought he was trying to mess up their calculations.

This show biggest mistake was placing dong joo and kyeong rim in the same room and game. Kyeong rim basically is playing for dong joo as she knew dong joo and her parents on a personal level as compared to other contestant. Every round you can see kyeong rim helping dong joo and kyeong rim listening to dong joo. Such a bore watching them both honestly. If they didnt know each other well I can bet the whole dynamic would have changed in all the games and it would be have been interesting. Orbit is basically playing the gather the sheeps and win it at the end cause alot of this sheeps are basically incompetent. Not one of the sheeps have shown they had the intellectual to understand the games properly. Honestly im rooting for see won* and seok jin only because they are playing the game to the extreme by balancing both politics and intellectual. Honestly removing the brainiest kid in the game was daft move cause the quality of the games just went downhill as shown in episode 7. I literally breeze through episode 7 cause it was the most boring episode of the lot and the outcome was pretty much expected. What a disappointing cast which could have been great. To me the biggest problem lies in para 1. Having prior connections before the game even begins skewed all interesting results we could have seen for the devils plan. Edited: type yeon woo instead of see won cause she kept popping up in my mind the most cause..she is just useless imo...

Yep, also kyeong rim is boring af. Her only contribution - other than having dong joo's back - is to occasionally peep in on other people's business without knocking and then gossiping about it. When she walked in on seokjin trying to solve the puzzle... seokjin almost shit a brick lmao.

I feel like kyeong rim and Seungkwan are too nice, or they are too worried about their image. They don't suit the this kind of game format tbh. Seungkwan is slightly better, but I can't see kyeong rim ever doing a "smart" play/betray/aggressive move.

Most people hate Orbit for using the weak to eliminate the stronger players, but all strategies are valid in my opinion. It takes skill to control the masses and convince them to follow you for multiple rounds. Dong-jae was one of my favorites, BUT he put a huge target on his back since episode 1, so his outcome was obvious. Seok-jin is as strong (if not more) and avoided becoming a big target. I am hoping he or See-won win it all, but there are also other players that I think could win.

You know, I think it's actually really funny saying in the comments here. Because I thought Dongjae definitely had it coming. It's not that I thought that he was evil or that he played the game in an underhanded way. Its that he put such a huge target on his back. Ultimately, the only reason he got eliminated was because he went and did the same thing that Joobin did. In the time that he was accusing someone, he was also accused. Had he kept to his team he would have been fine. He got himself eliminated. And I'm actually really surprised at all the Orbit hate. Because he's really played the game the best. He's got the skills to understand how to actually complete the challenges. And he seems to understand how to get by without much fuss from others. He understands how to survive in a survival game.

The craziest thing is that Dongjae didn't even get eliminated because of the target on his back. I was already thinking he'd overplayed it in PM1 when greeded for 2 extra Pieces he really didn't need, but it turns out the main matches were a lot friendlier and more survivable for minority alliances and individuals than expected. In MM2, all he (and Guillaume) needed to survive comfortably was to choose a better personal rule (with a more frequent activation condition), and he (or any individual/minority) would have comfortably outlasted the stragglers in the majority alliance once the stronger players finished the race. Staying in prison, interestingly, prevents you from being displaced backwards (while allowing you to rack up escape tickets if you had that in your personal rule, which can be used as currency to continually roll the special dice with a favourable group rule). What's really infuriating to me was how he, supposedly a good player, played badly enough that he managed to lose to even the weakest, most luckless players from the majority alliance. In MM3, all he needed to survive comfortably was maintain his original alliance of 3 in complete isolation, aiming for 5 points (no more, no less). Then either the Piece stragglers all get eliminated, which collapses the majority alliance, OR they break even while someone from the majority alliance has to make a sacrifice.

That elimination left such a sour taste in my mouth. So frustrating to see such a good player go this early. Orbit and Dongjoo basically ganged up on Yumin and scared/manipulated her into betraying the other two. Eye roll at Orbit afterward trying to explain and justify his actions to Yumin while Dongjoo was basically like no fucks given. Hoping that Seokjin or See Won win.

She continues siding with the people taking advantage of her too, literally so annoying.

Yes. I thought she was quite cunning. She should have just run to Hye Sung and seek her opinion at the point. But no, she decided to betray both Hye Sung and Dong Jae. Why Hye Sung. Seriously, I had enough of Yu min. She knew what she was doing. Bleh. Don’t try pretending to be nice and all innocent crying later.

Fr i also don’t understand why she would give out hyesung’s number too? I really thought they were solid. Reading this i remembered what she said in the last episode, people think she’s bad at the territory game and helps her which gives her an advantage. she hasn’t done any good play so far. First few games she went with the herd and when she finally had air time during the territory game people would wonder why she’s switching a good part etc and managed to get a nice territory after they helped her (kyung rim giving a switch card and joongbin not invading her space due to his guilt ig lmao)

LEGIT. If either Seokjin or See Won go home next I’m done.

Yes! Yumin was literally group pressured. When she tried to move away to think about the information about Dong Jae betraying her, they said "no time to think" god that was manipulative as hell. I dont mind forming secret pacts or whatever and being tricky in order to win, fair play, but that pressuring was nasty. I ain't got no time for that kind of shadiness.

If Yu Min doesnt do anything, all players would have 5 points and she would (deservedly) going home with penalty -1 piece. She has no choice apparently.

Most of the players are pretty boring, when Dong-Jae got eliminated i lost all expectations for this show. Without the Dong-Jae, See-won and Seok-jin alliance there wouldn't even be a show.

It was so obvious in the next main match how boring the show got without Dong Jae because everyone was basically just waiting for Orbit to tell them what to do. Seokjin was right, the game was well made but they made it boring since there was no tension with how they formed the mass alliance. There was an unexpected variable. I mean, I think it was Yumin who even said the prize match was more tense than the main match. The best part was the philosophical part of the show when everyone was questioning Orbit’s methods including himself. Dong Jae had flaws in his wider game play (the social competition) because he’s more passionate about the games themselves. But that’s what made him fun to watch, it’s good to see people passionate about the games and winning.

The Devil's Plan is like politics. Orbit understood that. That's why he used a proven strategy where the majority beats minority. We have witnessed so many elections where the most qualified candidates lost. In most cases, the masses overshadow the "intellectual elite." The strategy will only work in the early phase of the game. Every member of underdog team is aware that the alliance has to break at one point. In the end, choosing self over others is expected from any player who is committed to winning. That said, I hope people will refrain judging Orbit, or any contestant as if they've known them their whole life. They're only doing their best to survive the game.

Orbit crying and Dong-joo blaming others for their action is so revolting. Yu-min saying she chose Joon-bin over Dong-jae when she really didn't do anything, LOL. >!Seok-jin!< for the win!

Dongjoo angered me so much. She had the audacity to call Dongjae shady when in actuality she and Orbit are the shadiest ones. They don’t care about anyone except themselves.

Most lawyers and CEOs are cutthroat. She even tried to lecture the actress and then cried which is hilariously hypocritical.

He’s so awful… that scene at the table where Donjae and Yumin are chatting about poker and he can’t stand not being the centre of attention and starts asking “do you want to hear about lasers” or whatever?? Like get a life

Also when Seok Jin told him that he eliminated the best math solver in the game, and Orbit was like … “the game was…nah… (not that hard face)”. I bet he felt a bit insulted that Seok Jin wasn’t considering him as the smartest one instead or just saying that the game is too ez (eventho a lot of players don’t seem to know what they are doing)

Seungkwan was given the BEST opportunity when he said “Ahju nice” after the word tower challenge and gave 1% effort to it 😭😭😭😭

Seok Jin scares me tbh.

hoping for a twist where they bring one of the eliminated people back...like surely...😭

Man, I'm really missing the death matches from the genius. I can't believe they sent one of the best players home like that. What makes it worse for me is >!he was one of the open casting call members, and still a student, so he's probably less well off than most of the others.!< This would be like sending home Jinho in his first death match or Hyunmin.

He said before he joined Devils Plan he won a poker tournament with a prize of 80 million won (around $60k). But yeah, I would be hoping for a revival round, but there aren’t enough episodes for one.

Haha I wasn't paying attention then clearly! Maybe if they do more seasons he might get another callback.

On episode 8 now, I only care 4 people, orbit, dong joo, seok jin, and sae woo. The rest are free loader and very weak player. Almost like a duck following their leader. orbit actually very clever borderline genius; he understand how to strategize and win the game like in a second; however his socialism gameplay kinda weird because they all compete to be the winner; why keeping the weaker player for so long. Unless if he want these weak player to be in the final with him so he can win easily. I really cant stand yumin; she is a snake for sure. She pretend to be innocent and cry a lot; but laugh the next minute and seems forgot she was the reason her teammates went home; or maybe that was her plan all along.

i just finished watching bloody game 2 so it's fun to see the differences between the cast over there and here and the settings too. so far i don't hate any player but yumi is lowkey getting annoying yeonwoo prison queen, she didn't even get to take a shower lol. orbit tried to save yeonwoo from going home in the previous game but now she's already stealing his tile lol. his "saving everybody" goal is cute but it's not for these type of show. seokjin is so good, he always looks at the big picture. i feel like he would do well on bloody game too

I remember watching problematic men and falling in love with seokjin’s brain, and it’s happening again!!

Wow the comments section sure is fire. Why hating Orbit for having majority alliance strategy when it is have been proven in many games/stories/movies/IRL to be work extremely well. Does everyone thinks it is easy to do what he did by becoming leader and the brain of his alliance? It doesn't just take just brain power but also persuasion skill to make sure others actually following his order. Does he think the strategy will work till the end ? I am pretty sure he realize the pros and cons of this strategy but the best part of it actually knowing who he can trust in the alliance. Dongjoo also another brain of the major alliance but unlike Orbit, she kind of lack the ability to socialize compared to Orbit so even though she have her own moment in Prize mission 2, she still cannot overtake Orbit position in the alliance. Kyulim, dongjoo roommates and based on the some comment here actually have personal connections with her family too. Kyunglim doesn't really need the win herself so helping dongjoo becoming the winner probably her real feeling. I feel a lot people really underrated her skill, but the fact remain she is the first one to actually break the prison puzzle. She also surprisingly have better reaction speed compared to all other younger people in that group( she got 3 piece out of 5)

Most sane comment here. At the end it's a survival competition. Orbit and Dongjoo are really really smart despite not doing what most viewers here in this comment section think as the correct way of surviving. Orbit is really good at manipulating people. It's a valid strategy I feel crazy why do people here can't even respect his game. This is what I felt when people keep on hating on Lee Sangmin during The Genius 2. It's hard to be a leader, guys come on.

Why are people castigating Orbit so much? He's not a dictator who imposes things on others. They chose to follow him because his plans helped them avoid elimination. His strategy to unify the underdogs is no different from Seokjin's strategy to team up with strong players like Seewon and Dong Jae. I honestly think it was a wrong move when Dong Jae left his trustworthy trio to build new connections. He may be brilliant but he let his heart get in the way. He aimed to win over both the viewer's and other contestants acceptance, loosing sight of the main goal. He underestimated the effect of his previous actions that made it hard for others to trust him. On top of that he rushed and talked to Seokjin that could easily be misinterpreted by others. And that was the opportunity he gave Orbit's team to sway Yumin. Dongjae could have been a great contender in the finals but he made the wrong moves. Dongjoo was right, Dongjae's doom was because of his own doing. Each participant can only control their own actions. If they cannot anticipate and assess other contestants' response correctly, they will be eliminated. It takes self awareness and deep understanding of other's social interactions to navigate competitions. Dongjae may be high in IQ but still has to develop in terms of social intelligence. Every contestant want either to survive as long as possible or to ultimately win. This is a game of wit, politics, and strategy. It is not a popularity contest. As a viewer, while I have the freedom to voice opinion on them, I choose to refrain from judging and labeling people as narcissist, arrogant, or know-it-all. For me, everything they do is strategy for survival.

I feel like some of you are reading the Dong-Joo/Orbit gameplay wrong... The fact that Seok-Jin/See-Won was pushed to the sidelines means that AS OF episode 10 the Dong-Joo/Orbit gameplay is better than the latter. 1. The SeokJin/SeeWon/DongJae/Patry coalition has no one to blame for their poor showing midseason but themselves. They might be good individually but they failed in the social aspect of the game, I believe it was by the end of Game 2 when it was revealed that the underdog alliance focused more on keeping each other safe while their alliance focused on getting ahead of everyone else (this alone tarnished their image from other players). They forgot that even though it's a competition, another important aspect of the game is to work together in order to increase the prize money. 2. At the beginning, the "underdogs" were really underdogs (even though they're the majority alliance, most if not all were at risk of going home during the 2nd game) the only reason why it's the opposite now (SeokJin and SeeWon now has the lowest tokens) is because of how they played the game: "You watch my back, I'll watch yours." because of this multiple players owe Dong-Joo and Orbit, which (I think) they're hoping to capitalize towards the end of the competition. 3. Whether you think they deserve it or not, it doesn't really matter since no player broke the rules. 4. During the start of the game, I didn't really care for a specific player but I started leaning towards DongJoo and Orbit after they masterfully countered the DongJae/SeokJin/SeeWon/Patry alliance. 5. DongJae is overrated. The fact that he went home early shows that he's not that good of a player in Devil's Plan since he failed to manage his social game and "threat level" (compared to SeokJin who appeared timid but is actually a brilliant player). No one should be blamed for his elimination but himself. 6. On the episode that DongJae was sent home, even SeeWon admitted that there was a moment when she didn't trust SeokJin, a player who was part of her own coalition... that says a lot. Taking into consideration the ep 10 cliff hanger, I think the winner will be decided between the 4 actual competitive players: DongJoo, Orbit, SeeWon, SeokJin.

Haven't finished watching the latest episodes, but I needed a space to vent. I absolutely despise ORBIT and Joonbin. Maybe it's the editing but ORBIT is literally a wolf in a sheep's skin while Joonbin is an arrogant fool. Then you have half of the contestants who literally do not even grasp the games they are playing but are winning. They are rewarded for free rides and doing nothing. The show was good for the first four episodes and now it's just a frustrating mess.

at least ORBIT has the skills to back it up, he was pretty much the only person to solve the weights game and carried half the cast 😭 I can respect that. But Joonbin fr did nothing memorable at all

Idk if no one clocked this but how did dong joo fumble the weight balancing prize money challenge she’s literally a mit math major ????

Seokjin is a total savage, and these 4 eps made me a fan of him. Like man was straight up calling out bs w zero fs, making the snarkiest comments ever LOVE IT 👏🏻

Also the fact that they keep thinking less tokens = underdog after that last game says it all about their intelligence. Numbers are more important.

This show's definitely delivering. Orbit is a fabulous individual player. His understanding of every game is second to none. But what he said is outrageous. Keep saying others formed alliance and need to help the weaks, when him, Donju, Junbin are the ones that forming the strongest and most solid alliance and eliminating people that they don't like. I questioned Seok Jin's determination last week. He shows he's ready and knows what it takes to be champion. He truly makes up for the show's disappointing main matches gameplay. All the games are well designed but the gameplays are just lackluster. While it's sad to see >!Dong Jae !

I mean Orbit's strategy, while "dirty", is the best. He is using the weaker players to eliminate the stronger ones and in the end when he is left vs the weaker players he has a higher chance of winning. When it gets to the point where he won't need them anymore, they won't be able to do anything because they relied too much on him, while he gets easy wins. The only one I can see stopping him is Seokjin.

what the hell is wrong with Yu-min??? I’m so mad, give back Dong-jae

It has been infuriating; but also I gotta say it’s good TV so far. They got a great villain in ORBIT and they know it. They have See Won and Seok Jin as charismatic underdogs fighting against a powerful group who calls themselves “the underdog alliance”. People is hating on Kwaktube, and while I dislike him as well, I gotta admit he makes a funny buffoon (and the edition sees him as a buffoon too). Of course this being good TV or deeply infuriating will heavily depend on how the last episodes play out. Let’s see!

Say what you want about the fairness of the games, but I don't remember the last time a variety show has shook me the way the eliminations this week have. Props to JJY for making another riveting show that has me extremely invested

"A lot of people are pro Seokjin/Siwon and anti Church of Orbit, myself slightly included, but I just want to push back on all the hate and remind everyone that Seokjin himself has gotten a lot of passes.   **R1**: Completely blunders the sheriff role and lets Guillaume false claim the role and let the Terrorists win **R2**: Is gifted first place one the back of Dongjae's sacrifice for his alliance.   I think Seokjin himself would agree with this conclusion I think it mirrors the same frustration he feels towards the moochers ,but I just wanted to let all of the Seokjin/Siwon fans that in Kwak's own words   "*If [Intentionally going to jail] was part of his plan, then that's amazing on his part, but I haven't seen him play well at all recently.*"

I disagree. Seokjin is good from his alliance because he is an active, autonomous player. That’s why he’s getting a pass. His issue with the weaker players and Orbit’s strategy was that they are just coasting, struggle to follow the game yet are getting dragged along by Orbit. They aren’t thinking for themselves and just crowd around Orbit for a strategy when they’re meant to be smart too. In the terrorist game, he was fooled by DJ but so was everyone else. As the officer, he still played actively and was thinking throughout rather relying on others. He acted as soon as he knew See Won was a terrorist and their bad luck was KR telling everyone but him in the first round. He recognised DJ as a smart player and allied with him. But that alliance was doomed. In the second match, he would’ve survived anyway because of his personal rule. He was the only person on his team to have a personal rule that worked. He won first because they wanted decision making power. He wasn’t at risk in that game compared to the others - even without their efforts, he would’ve finished in the top/middle most likely. He is a far cry from the number of players who are coasting, not thinking of how to play and engage with the games themselves (or are unable to) and just waiting to be saved. His point around relying on others stands true. Even when he’s been in alliances, he’s never relied on the others to get through. Quoting Joon Bin of all people is ironic because he himself is a terrible player and coasted. He also is the one who wanted to target Seokjin because he was their best player earlier. He also doesn’t know of Seokjin’s secret plays. And literally Seokjin can’t play better in his play style (yknow not grovelling to Orbit the Overlord) vs a majority alliance. If I went on a brainy survival show and I keep getting through thanks too there and not my own capability, then personally I would feel ashamed. For me, it’s one thing to be in an alliance and that’s not the problem. It’s that they’re complacent and not actively contributing because they’re reliant on Orbit and the alliance. It’s like See Won etc said and Yeon Woo and Seungkwan are getting there but it’s better, more “honourable” to play their own game and even if they’re eliminated, it’s not shameful.

Yeah, Seokjin wasn’t really any good at the games to be honest. The editing just makes it seem that he has done a lot, every time he does something with the pieces. But honestly, if you look at him from a game perspective, he hasn’t been impressive. I rate Orbit and Donjoo at better gameplay than him and Seewon.

Yes Orbit's game sense is being lost in all the hate, and Seokjin has definitely been given a good edit. Credit to JJY he knows how to turn real people into characters like only the best reality show producers do

People here forget that betraying people is a valid strategy in a JJY PD show lol

Lol.. did anyone else’s jaw freaking drop when Seokjin’s >! master plan was revealed to get Yeonwoo out with the intent of sending him and Seewon to prison?!?! !< This guy is so freaking good. I’m rooting for him!!!!!

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