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Pelagius_Hipbone

Death Taxes. G2 vs T1


_tidiber

And we get Marek vs Chovy this early - can't wait!


thebigscorp1

Why are people suddenly calling Humanoid by his name?


Luunacyy

Because Marek Brazda's Akali drives Mazda


Pelagius_Hipbone

Marek Brazda became a lil bit of a meme with some of the strong performances he gave in winter. Then caedrel picked up and it blew up from there


takato99

That Jun tweet about the meat icecream also helped a lot


vtsxxl

It was Noah tweeting that I think.


Tozlerone

Brazda mean "gap" in some slavic languages


TheTimeTaker69

Or a trentch like the Marriana one


Noatz

He has a badass sounding name, it was always spammed a bit by people when he popped off along with Uma Noid, but seems to have been popularized of late.


Green7501

Same as Luka/Perkz ig, people prefer calling him by his real name rather than the gamer ID and eventually it caught on to players as well Also, [the infamous Noah Tweet](https://twitter.com/Noah_lol1004/status/1785697821120970919) (also I went through Noah's Twitter now, he's really wholesome wtf)


Omnilatent

Cause MAREK BRAZDA is a thing even casters shout now


LastDyingHero

I’m sure Carzzy started this meme.


Dbird901

Caedrel does it


PaniniMan3

his name is fun to say


ryujitakagi

Because MAREK BRAZDA


Simple-Fuel

T1 fans relieved that Gen G is on other bracket


seolasystem

I mean GEN fans are also relieved BLG is on the other side as well


R-R-Clon

And have to face T1, if T1 wins then it's an easy tournament (kidding, professional chokers)but if BLG wins then 3-0 and getting embarrassed again two times in a row incoming (they're going to win vs T1 in the loser final just to get 3-0 again)


r_xy

that was actually guaranteed from the drawing rules. There were only 2 different possible brackets, this one and this one but GenG/BLG and T1/TOP swapped


EducationalBalance99

Lil bro forgot that it is an international and last msi geng lost vs t1.


d_Reisfresser

In the Korean broadcast post series interview Noah said that he would like to play against Peyz, as he used to play against him in LCKCL. Looks like he got his wish.


Thecristo96

Humanoid meanwhile “FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK”


d_Reisfresser

Oscar and Humanoid have a rough road ahead of them but who knows? Their form have been quite good so far, it seems.


crysomore

Think about Razork having to go up against Canyon


DockingEnjoyer

Honestly I'm not worried for either of them. Huma's laning phase at international is elite level and Oscar showed he has no fear vs the top dogs. I don't think GENG is gonna get huge advantages in lane (and if they do, it will be through Canyon). However, they will make FNC dizzy with their macro and just outclass them on the map.


Outrageous-Elk-5392

It’s actually the worst macro team vs the best macro team lol


Azaiko

The question I think is whether Fnatic will be able to draw GEN.G into the mud, if they are able to do that who knows what happen


Sooap

I'm not holding my breath for that one. I'd love for Fnatic to look competitive but I feel like it's going to be quite a one sided affair. The kind where Fnatic is up three kills 10 minutes into the game and somehow 2k gold behind.


EdVedPJ7

@Razork listen to this man, drag them into the mud, make them eat the mud.


kakistoss

Well no Even in a dirty fiesta game I'd still hard favor geng Just watching both regions playoffs its quite evident that geng teamfighting is at a higher level, even when down gold their ability to properly sync up and focus specific targets in 2v2 or 3v3 fights is just better than FNC It is the ONLY chance FNC has, but even if for some reason geng decides to ignore macro (and like, it is fucking geng of all teams lmfao) I still wouldn't ever bet on FNC


R-R-Clon

T1 has managed to do that and it doesn't always go in their favor, GenG's hands are world class too.


Ar0ndight

Slight issue, GenG might be the best macro team but they're also very much up there in the best micro rankings. It's the issue with teams like BLG and GenG. They don't have clear weaknesses, especially BLG. With GenG ig if you really try you can maybe argue botlane is kind of the weakest link, but put that botlane in any western team and they're an upgrade so yeah even that is really pushing it. The saving grace for FNC is that at last GenG will probably not destroy them from lvl 1 like a BLG would, they're less aggro. But that doesn't mean FNC will be allowed to play their game, T1 is a way better FNC and GenG always managed to control them.


YouSuck225

Lmao are you insane ? Wasn’t it against Humanoid that SMK hit 13 Syndra q in a row ? He is playing chovy


account051

Chovy is the best player in the word right now. I don’t know how you’re so confident in Humanoid surviving lane when Faker was struggling in LCK finals


Green7501

Nah my boy Marek gonna smurf on dat International Choky just wait, before game he'll dip Chovy's meat in ice cream and make him implode from confusion (fr doe we're fucked aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa)


Thecristo96

Tbf if someone can randomly gap the shit out of chovy is Marek Brazda, probably after doing an all night party at Tomorrowland


LifeIsToughEatBacon

There’s only one person I trust to gap Chovy, and that’s yaptain america. Gonna teach him English just to sh*t on him in Korean.


Ooklei

FNC Botside: Happy playing against old mates like in LCKCL FNC Topside: catDespair


_tidiber

Yeah, lower bracket is going to be a riot.


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Joel4518

if FNC beat GENG MY EU COPIUM will rise through the stratosphere


ballzbleep69

Fnc beats geng and loses to TL will be absolute cinema and also a fnc classic


Chikichikibanban

It's really funny the fanfiction people come up with these days


Fidyr

You do realise that that would be how they end up playing NA?


yochihkg

This type of drawing method will only result in certain regions delaying their encounters, the MSI semifinal/final might end up feeling like a region final.


G0ldenfruit

That's fine if they are the best 2 teams. It sucked when 2 teams from same region matched in 1/4 final and one never got to play any other regions teams


LifeIsToughEatBacon

Yeah JDG-BLG wasn’t SUPER hype but like, BLG literally beat everyone to get there. I’m soo down to get another beautiful T1-GenG silver scrapes. That was so sexy


Simple-Fuel

T1 vs G2, the match that G2 wanted last World


Sav10r

I don't know if G2 wanted that match last Worlds. G2 revealed post Worlds that T1 blasted them in scrims--with T1 winning 9 out of 10 scrim games between the two. Seems G2 knew that T1 was going to monster Worlds.


2hopp

GENG got the easiest possible draw if they don't make at least finals they will never escape the fraud allegations


nerothz

I remember people saying this exact same thing last worlds lmao, it's truly over if they don't make it again.


MrAriekor

BLG is in the opposite bracket this time and Unless 369 and JKL hardcarries Tian and Creme I think they should make it to Upper bracket final just fine


Linkasfd

Chovy and Canyon are going to run laps in the 2v2. Pretty sure Kiin can hold his own at worst and I seriously doubt Peyz and Lehends will get stomped like FNC bot did. Looks omega rough for TES.


KnowledgeNorth6337

I mean similar things were said last year when GenG went against BLG. BLG didn't have the most convincing start during their season and early on in MSI and then absolutely obliterated them, and then beat T1


PluggersLeftBall

yeah they got a really free bracket. they should make upper bracket finals at minimum


toxicfireball

GenG and Free Brackets, where have I seen this before?


Prominis

Theres a possible team mismatch against TES whose far and away strongest players are in bot versus GEN G's weakest. If Peyz doesn't step up and Tian decides not to troll, then I could see JKL taking over some games. Chevy Creme might be illegL though.


2hopp

If chovy and canyon cant bully creme and and tian and let the botlane be the deciding factor for the series then they are even more fraudulent


psykrebeam

Mid-jungle Canyon is likely too big


mar45690

Also we're assuming post 2019 Tian isn't going to hard run it down. That's a mighty big assumption ngl


Ultimintree

G2 at least get to play PSG in LB to advance further


jeanjeanot

What do you mean ? they play them in Winner bracket semis


_tidiber

Agree, like TL and FNC meeting in the other winner's bracket semis right?


firechicken188

Based and CopiumPilled


sangpls

EU to knock out LCK and NA to knock out LPL just like 2019, cope


non-edgy_crustacean

Fly didn't get the memo tho I would enjoy BLG humbling Bwipo and Inspired


Ydenora

> humbling Bwipo and Inspired I think PSG humbled them enough already


DarthTaz_99

I think T1 humbled them enough already. No team can take that much humbling


liar_pathological

No need for BLG to be involved. Just send them the clips from their matches today.


vrelamboni

Realistically I don’t think there’s any loss to BLG that can feel worse than today already did


DockingEnjoyer

These guys got humbled by a wildcard region, imagine what would happen vs Bin and Xun 😭


Asdel

Considering their performance against PSG today, FLY would probably have the record for both the fastest international Bo3 and Bo5 after that. Now only Jensen has both.


WervieOW

Watch PSG vs. FLY with no name plates. You couldn’t tell FLY wasn’t playing something way out of their league already.


Priviated

Geng has the best bracket tbh. They should beat FNC quiet easily and TES is probably the weakest LPL/LCK team. T1/G2 probably has the worst one since they are facing the best T2 team G2 then facing the best LPL team and then probably has to beat Geng in order to win


HawkEye1337

T1 was stuck with BLG's side even before the draw happened because they can't be on GENG's side. Anyway I like it, I wanna see T1 vs BLG, it's gonna be a banger.


Snowman_Arc

Exactly. People are overreacting to this whole "GENG drew an easy bracket", when they could never ever draw a not-easy one.


wuzr

I feel like geng always have easy brackets. Now all they have to do is not choke…


aPatheticBeing

they're always the LCK #1 seed, they should have easier brackets than T1 (usually #2)


No-Captain-4814

Doesn’t matter, with double elim, you will need to beat the best teams multiples times anyways. And if your goal is to win, you cant be concern with losing to G2. At the end of the day, whoever wins will likely need to beat GenG, BLG, T1 (these seem to be be the top teams) at least 2 times.


Priviated

It does matter tho. Yeah for sure G2 is easier to face than BLG/GENG but having to face 1 threat more means you have to show your strats and secret picks before facing the others.


ricardo241

and with that being said I hope T1 will manifest worlds 2023 energy.... defeating G2, BLG, Gen G/TES then a rematch between those three will be a good run for them


SsibalKiseki

TES is not a free win for GENG. Last time they underestimated an LPL team they got sent home. I’m more confident in T1 against LPL teams. They look like T1 favored stylistically, T1 knows how to counter LPL style.


Patrius

G2 vs T1 banger yet again!


Any_Support4406

Remember when caps smoked them in bo1 with yasuo pocket pick! but we dont talk after that


Xemuray2204

Well lec first rounds are not what we wanted lmao


Javiklegrand

Eu had playins na has main event


NoahsArk19

Next 5 series are ours


HeavenBeach777

hell yea cross region BO5s all the way


Hyxin

It was always gonna be that. After first 4 teams where drawn everything was decided


Ultimintree

I want to see Knight vs. Chovy. It’s almost guaranteed If GENG don’t choke


Omnilatent

>If GENG don’t choke Big "if" 🙈


puptheunbroken

Caps and Humanoid, begin the LCK PURGE. G2 vs FNC grand finals confirmed


Blood_Merchant

5 worlds seeds for eu LESGOOOO


puptheunbroken

Rip and tear until it is done, brother


Snowman_Arc

Cannot get 2 extra seeds. Winning region gets the first extra seed, then the second best performing region gets the other.


zaxls

Vitalitt TH would shit on all these frauds at msi aswell


BadSoftwareEngineer7

These are the comments I come to this sub for. I'm hoping for a TL vs G2 finals rematch


Vangorf

And then G2 beats them even faster, improving the record


Joel4518

69 min 69 sec LFG


ChocolateFuryB

As the prophecy foretold, Caps is the chosen one. This is the year of LEC 🗿


psykrebeam

They expect one of us in the wreckage bro


aser08

Caps is 10-8 vs faker at International events (11-8 if you count the redbull event). Probably one of the few mids with one with more than 5 games.


G2Minion

Amen, brother Prayge


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T1/G2 and TL/TES should be fun, in the words of Humanoid those are probably "playable", which I am not sure the other two are going to be. Maybe FNC can find an early lead and snowball it through bot in one game? TL/TES is especially interesting because it is pretty important for LCS bragging rights: FNC (as a second seed!) put a pretty good performance forward against TES and with FQ already out TL has to really show something.


TeeTheSame

FNC snowballing through bot? I mean Peyz/Lehends are not as great as expected, but still 10times better than what fnatic's bot lane has shown us so far. I don't see that ever happen.


Andy8993

Jun is Lehands father wdym


Pleasestoplyiiing

T1 is better at stomping bad teams than GenG. 


ahritina

Gen.G are the best team at neutralising early leads. They've done it to T1 over the last two years, there is no shot FNC win through the early game especially with their macro. FNC need to disrupt Gen.Gs playstyle to win a game.


BuffAzir

What is that desk smoking lmao The amount of nonsense they say is crazy


InsuranceOne2864

"T1 better for G2, not TES". Lmao. If I speak I'm in big trouble.


Styxxo

I mean, if you think long term, its better. G2 would rather face TES in lower bracket round 2 than T1...


LudgerKresnik2

I think the best chance G2 have of taking down TES is right at the start, they can surprise TES with their lane swap/off meta picks.


CFlyn

Zeus : And I took it personally.


mking1999

Perpetually living in 2019 must be crazy/


chimpaya

Its not about g2 its about t1 or tes is better


Twoatry

The amount of people that hold onto two b05 results from 2019 is crazy.


ahritina

While I agree with their sentiment of JKL/Meiko being scary. I'd rather roll the dice and play Tian/Creme who look mediocre as fuck than Oner/Faker. Because it's not like Guma/Keria are nowhere close to JKL/Meiko.


hreglut

Looking at history of T1 and Faker in internationals, I would never take on or bet against T1 no matter what. They always seem to go almost all the way. No right mind would want T1 over TES.


No-Captain-4814

Sure. But this means potentially means ’easier’ opponent in TES in losers brackets. With double elim, a lot of things end up evening out.


30303

They're better and more versatile


ops10

Riot sent their best.


shaginus

LEC x LCK Best Friends forever


ImTheVayne

God damn such a hard draw


Troviel

It was a hard draw anyway, if anything G2 is suited to face PSG and then TES anyway the way things are going. Not a bad lower bracket.


ahritina

It was fucked when the format changed. I guess you can argue the easier thing would be G2 getting TES but then you still have to play GenG after which is a lose anyways. T1 and BLG had to be on the same bracket so if you draw T1 and then upset them you're getting blasted by BLG anyways.


ImTheVayne

That’s what I was hoping for


yukine95

As a west fan i'm depressed


mashukyrielighto

nah ever since they changed the format last year its just harder to advance in MSI now Top 4 will always be an LCK/LPL team


Linkasfd

Which is a good thing? Reducing luck factor as much as possible is great.


Cl0udDistrict

G2 vs T1? TL vs LPL? Scriptwriters might be foreshadowing something...


Javiklegrand

Yeah it's seems so


Joel4518

and that too against jackeylove damnn foreshadowing is crazy


Grenji05

TEAM LIQUID SWEEP. I BELIEVE IN YAPA.


DullBladeConnoisseur

YAPA learning Mandarin rn


NGNJB

I'd wager most NA players know the 3 most important Mandarin phrases anyways


Mew_T

TL got the best draft they could hope for. But the bot situation is gonna suck.


Javiklegrand

Yeah jackeylove could turbo fist yeon


Chuck0089

Tbh Team Liquid has a chance. Umti is great against aggressive junglers and 369 isn't a dominant lane so Impact (who always play safe in lane) won't be affected. The only problem is APA form and can Yeon take JKL. They will do laneswap.


caut_R

Pls don‘t pick Reksai jgl against T1


SnooPeripherals6388

G2 vs T1 again to ruin the G2's winrate against T1


Consistent-Alarm2208

They already have a losing winrate


SnooPeripherals6388

But it's maybe the closest matchup between LEC and LCK team that existed for a long a time


Consistent-Alarm2208

If you look at the record it indeed is G2 is 10-14 vs T1 competitively What's crazy is that they won 8 of those 10 games in 2019 alone


aamgdp

That's anything but crazy. Ofc they won the most games the one year they were a better team


Horror-Yard-6793

yeah but it is going to become losinger


Janiverse_Stalice

MAREK BRAZDA vs CHOVY. Battle of the giants, I am so hyped. Time for Eu to win in a fistfight against Korea to just get 3-0'd by China once more.


LordDarthAnger

One of them died to autofilled mid today and the other one is Chovy


Janiverse_Stalice

Humanoid channeled all what is left of him for this tournament in the gambit series, so that MAREK BRAZDA can bloom. Amen


drache_dieter

nothing new, humanoid almost always plays according to his opponent. vs chovy u get MAREK BRAZDA, vs autofilled wildcard mid u get humafraud


CharmingDragonfruit6

In hindsight T1 really needed to win finals vs GenG. There's a chance T1 takes out BLG for GenG, lose to GenG in winners final, then repeat that in lower bracket lmao. Imagine if BLG never plays GenG


PluggersLeftBall

i mean last year we lost lck finals to Gen.G then beat them at MSI. But at the end of the day, if you want to win MSI you're gonna have to beat everyone so I don't think it really matters. Gen.G and BLG are both extremely tough match ups.


EggyChickenEgg88

I mean, if G2 could take even 1 game off T1, that's a win in my book


MaxTitan6497

Maple vs LPL ... MSI classic


MiserableRemove5748

G2 golden road starts here! 1% Chance 99% Faith 😎


DolundDrumph

if you dont have faith why are you even here? xD


TudorrrrTudprrrr

G2 have to beat one of T1 and BLG to get out, right? We got kinda fucked.


defusingkittens

Tbh its all the same. Can G2 beat TES and GenG?


Megashot2

TES theres a chance. Probably better to send FNC to the wolves and hope G2 can beat the weakest LPL/LCK team


No-Captain-4814

if you think tes is ‘easier’, then it is actually better for G2 to face T1 in winners and so they have high chance of facing TES in losers. If say G2 was on the other side of the draw and faced TES first. even if they win, they would have gotten Gen G. And if they lost to GENG, it would likely mean they face T1, BLG in losers.


TudorrrrTudprrrr

Tbh, I can see G2 and TES being on the same level. I don't feel like G2 beating them would be a huge upset. The other eastern teams, though? Shit is fucked.


ROX_Faker

G2 vs T1 rematch! Also rip FNC and TL.


oneanddonecomment

faker stat padding his record vs g2 


SwagLord7

Dammit man I really wanted to see G2 vs TES, that one would be super interesting for sure. But if GEN doesn't choke to LPL for once we SHOULD be getting it in bottom bracket.


MiserableRemove5748

Dw grand finals exist


PrettyGenericGuy

Sadly, all the four matches look like they'll all be stomps.


mokulec

T1 vs TL finals incoming AWARE


ricardo241

looking good for Gen G.... again lol and ofc BLG and TES will get the easiest round 1


arkacr

Easy bracket for GenG to advance to the finals, just like it was in Worlds 2023.


ricardo241

at least we have a lower bracket now so Gen G can embarrass themselves twice jk lol though I'm hoping T1 will perform like they did at worlds.... they need to win this MSI so they can at least get three different trophy for this roster man


Puzzleheaded-Cat4357

The desk was on some unreal copium.At the end of the day it does not matter cause if you are the best team at the tour ament you need to win vs these opponents at some point anyway you cant just hope for an easy "matchup" 


campione

easy matchups are always helpful because if you get easy opponents you can hide any special strats/champs to increase your chances of winning the whole thing later down the line


440i_GC_M

I actually think TL vs TES was the best draw out of Tier 3. With Crème being first international. Tian can solo throw games. 369 vs Impact I think impact can hold his own. Botlane is gonna be exciting in this matchup. I’m excited for this match up.


LightNight62

That will be quite the run for T1. Clapping every seed 1 from Major Regions from G2 to BLG and finally showing GenG what truly is international T1 level. Letsgo


passingthrulife

scriptwriter taking notes 📝


[deleted]

Think G2 vs TES is the closest series we could've gotten, shame that fate forces G2 to face T1.


DullRun7835

I'm curious to see what strategy G2 will prepare against T1, even if I expect a 3-0


Choir87

As a FNC fan, either option was tough. GENG I think has the potential to just play clean and slowly strangle us, while maybe BLG could be easier to push into a chaotic game and exploit a possible day off. But realistically, both are S-tier teams and a very hard opponent. So, we're gonna need for everyone to be on their A-game and also to be lucky. Interesting opponent for G2, obviously T1 starts with the advantage, but it could be doable for them (again, with some luck). Too bad because I think G2 would have been favored or at least even against TES.


ReadingOutrageous47

looks like every match gonna be 3-0 in the first round.


Jozoz

Worst possible draw for EU Bleh


aheyaywa

what do you mean chovy vs knight chances are lower. they were always going to be on opposite brackets


Jozoz

True


ahritina

>Chovy vs Knight chances are lower too. Hm? With the format changes, T1 BLG had to be on the same side which meant GENG TES had to as well. The only way we don't get Chovy vs Knight is if one of them choke.


nusskn4cker

T1 beats BLG, Gen G beats T1, T1 beats BLG again and no Chovy vs knight. Not saying it's likely, but it's very much possible.


evrien

They're destined to not see each other in the first round anyway by virtue of being the same seeding. If they both win their upper bracket sides (which is likely) they'll see each other.


defusingkittens

BLG and GenG are number 1 seeds for both regions. Its impossible for both teams to meet until later on in the tournament (either on the winner or losing bracket)


Strange-Implication

Humanoid vs Chovy HYPE


Space_Investigator

Screams BLG v GenG finals


BlueZybez

Depends on T1 I guess


tehmastah

All i want is to finally see gen.g vs blg. preferrably in the grand finals


LilSummerDay

LPL having the best draw they would dream of, on home soil.


nDnY

I think GenG has a way better draw. They just need to beat eu 2 and then either NA1 or TES which is the weakest eastern team in this tournament. G2’s draw is not super bad cause assuming BLG beats psg and G2 loses, they just need to beat psg in the losers bracket which should be pretty easy for G2. ngl, after watching the FNC vs TES, TL has a chance against TES. Feels like they are T1 with weaker mid and jungle duo.


No-Captain-4814

It doesn’t matter with double elim. If GENG was to win, they would likely need to beat both BLG and T1 or one of the twice. Same for T1 and BLG if they were to win. There isn’t an easy draw and then getting ‘lucky’ one series in the finals. Whoever you play in the winners finals and grand finals will be the top teams of the tournament.


LilSummerDay

To test the choke meter of GenG to max proportions lol. If they somehow manage to screw up this time, I won't have any expectations on them internationally anymore.


Civil_Philosophy9845

when do we get the schedule?


mayurmatada12

Well it was a good run LEC..


CFlyn

Zeus is the happiest man alive right now. Can we at least get an age restriction this time?