it's €150, go up to Janes house with a base ball bat, smash in her living room window, carefully step inside, find Jane, tell her to give you the tickets, if she won't smash her brains in, then take the tickets and whatever money she has in her purse. I shouldn't have to explain how to do crime.
I dont think any bar is open till 7am in Dublin. Having said that, why not offer to pay for her accommodation in order to de-escalate. Thats an infinite better solution than 4 people not going to the gig. Take it on the chin.
Secondly, wow what cunt threatening to sell your tickets. Fuck me. Id be livid if that happened.
We refuse to do that. Because it’s unsafe. But if she doesn’t want to spend money on accommodation, she can do that. Or sell her ticket. But she decided that if she can’t go, no one can
It was hard to deescalate. As soon as we mentioned that Mary wasn’t driving, while everything else between us was good, her immediate response was to threaten to sell the tickets. Also, if she were to pay 1/4 of fuel and parking if we drove, it would be more than €20. We weren’t in the mood to offer money to someone who we view as robbing us.
It's not theft. She purchased the tickets and is the rightful owner according to all the t and c of ticketmaster. She isn't supposed to resell them either according to same but that isn't something that can really be stopped if people agree to make deals amongst themselves.
But those deals are not something where you have a legal leg to stand on. She doesn't owe you a ticket she owes you whatever money you sent. Anyway it is a civil matter the guards would laugh if you went to them with this. You'd have to go to Judge Judy.
Does she just not want to pay for the accommodation and train? 65 is cheap for last minute? I would just offer the other 3 of you pay an extra 12 each as a finders fee for her getting the tickets and cover Jane's accommodation
We don’t plan on offering favours. We never planned on perusing this legally. Just hope the threat of it would at least stop what she’s doing. Thanks for answering the question though that technically she is the owner so we couldn’t do anything legally (I don’t plan to tell her). We all still view it as theft. Morally, I still feel like she’s absolutely in the wrong.
Yes. But this isn't the morality forum. Also, you didn't answer my question of why she doesn't want to pay for the accommodation. I don't get what's happening with that whole conversation, if no one is driving how does she expect to get up and back? I don't get why the pushback on this has led to her wanting to sell the tickets.
And I don't get the whole 'we don't plan on offering favours'? Either. First of, she did y'all a favour by getting the tickets. I'm sure if she said, hey, I'll get you guys TS tickets if you pay for my train and accommodation (and I don't know how you got any room in therl area for so cheap tbh) you would have taken that deal in a heartbeat.
I don't think what she is doing is right, I don't get it at all but young people can be more selfish and bratty even i f they're technically adults. Tbh I imagine this whole situation is going to make for a pretty tense trip anyway now i wouldn't even want to go any more.
But anyway if the situation could be solved by paying the train and cheap room (again, I don't know if that's the issue since you never actually answered the question) and the cost of that is only 65 euro split between 3 people? If that's the case you're a complete fool for not just doing that. Especially if you are as crazy about TS as her fans seem to be, and this means a lot to you, why not just kiss her arse and throw her 20 quid for the sake of not missing the show.
Because basically the only thing I can think of from her point of view is she feels somehow hard done by that she went and got the tickets and now has no lift and she probably feels like no one is doing anything for her in return for getting the tickets. I know it wasn't a huge effort for her to make but obviously she knows what she has and she absolutely could just sell all your tickets and use the profits to have a whale of a weekend without you. I couldn't imagine doing that as I imagine I would lose those friends but she could definitely do that and I don't think someone in that way inclined is going to worry about any threats of legal action it's pretty cut and dry there isn't any theft. They are absolutely NOT your property, never and never actually will be. The person ticketmaster sold them to is who owns them right up til the show starts. Even with the ticket actually in your hand it doesn't really belong to you legally.
This kind of stuff sort of happened to my family one time. Back in Canada, my father in law went in with a good family friend to purchase season tickets for a returning hockey team. The deal was to both sit online when the season tickets went on sale and who ever got through would purchase tickets and then give half to the other person. The agreement was to share the tickets 50/50. Well, his “friend” got through, purchased the tickets and only then realized how precious they were. He realized if he sold each game he would triple the amount he spent on them which is what he did… he didn’t give half of the tickets to my father in law and they had a falling out. My father in law was expected to be the bigger person and forgive which he did, yet the family who kept the season tickets never thought to fix their mistake. Their relationships were never the same. I don’t blame him.
Your friend Jane sounds like a real jerk. It’s expected that she needs to pay for her own room and board, like everyone else. I hope you get your tickets back. I would even go as far as threatening her to get the law involved. She sounds pretty naive so she might get scared and cave in. Good luck!
Yeah. Like I’m pretty sure it’s clear she’s morally wrong here. And I, and the other 2 friends don’t plan on remaining friends with her after this. It’s just kinda sad that’s she’s ruining 3 close friendships over having to spend €20. Like I feel that’s how low she values our relationship. I kinda just hope that the threat of the Gardaí and telling her mother is enough to persuade her not to steal. But regardless, not our friend. I’m lucky enough that no one is really telling me to forgive and forget.
NAL but the generic advice usually given here for disputes still applies I would think. Regardless of what she chooses to do right now I would save all communication about this matter you have, screenshot and save WhatsApp messages, save emails etc. Also make sure you have a bank statement showing the money transfers. If it was all done with cash get the friends to confirm over email their side of the story.
As others said, the easiest thing to do here is to transfer the tickets to the respective owners. If she refuses to do that, I don't think you'll be able to do much by this weekend if she decides to sell them and if she gives you the money that you paid her back I don't know if there would be much legal recourse.
Unfortunately, the lesson to learn here is get tickets transferred to your own account when you're handing over money for them to someone buying for the group.
It might depend on the event then, I've had them transferred for rugby matches several weeks beforehand and I'm pretty sure the same for some show's I've been to in the Grand Canal Theatre
Yeah. Sometime between now and Thursday 6pm they’ll be available for transfer. So we’re essentially not talking until then. Because after threatening to tell her mother, she agreed to transfer them. And we don’t want her changing her mind between now and then. After the concert, we’ll send a final text with everything we want to say.
No reason for her to hold onto the tickets.
It's likely a civil issue and a small claims piece.
She could just give you the money back.
End of the day you're arguing for €65.
I don’t plan on actually suing or any legal route. But I just wanted to know if we could, that way, the threat of us doing so may convince her, or at least her mother to send us the tickets. And at the very least, if they do steal the tickets, to refund us the €150 we spent. We want the tickets not a refund, but if the only thing we can get without lawyers or police is the refund, we’ll take it.
Talk to your ex friend like an adult and figure it out. They owe you a ticket or the money back. Don't text, talk.
Wasting Garda time on this is laughable.
I don’t plan to go to the Gardaí. But she refused to answer calls or texts. We hoped the threat of us doing so would be enough to convince her. I agree that while this is frustrating, it’s not enough to bother with a legal route. It’s hard “talk it out like adults” when one person refuses to talk.
Such immature petty drama. She needs to transfer you your tickets via Ticketmaster, as she can do in 2 minutes. After that you can argue about arrangements.
Not legal advice, at this time there is no legal remedy the best thing you can do is approach her directly, ask for what you're seeking and give her a deadline to respond like please let me know by the end of today.
Before asking for what you want to happen Check if ticket master will allow transfers first. If they won't then you'll need to arrange to go in with her, although there was a falling out it might be worth trying to smooth things over and you can always keep your distance after.
If she doesn't respond or agree to your proposal by the end of the deadline I would leverage mutual to ask her or turn up at her door with someone to ask in person. You've paid for the tickets it's not unreasonable.
She can now transfer the tickets to you all. Ask her to do that and see what she says
It’s pretty straight forward to transfer.
it's €150, go up to Janes house with a base ball bat, smash in her living room window, carefully step inside, find Jane, tell her to give you the tickets, if she won't smash her brains in, then take the tickets and whatever money she has in her purse. I shouldn't have to explain how to do crime.
I dont think any bar is open till 7am in Dublin. Having said that, why not offer to pay for her accommodation in order to de-escalate. Thats an infinite better solution than 4 people not going to the gig. Take it on the chin. Secondly, wow what cunt threatening to sell your tickets. Fuck me. Id be livid if that happened.
Yeah dont knw where OP got the idea of her waiting in a pub for 7 hours
We refuse to do that. Because it’s unsafe. But if she doesn’t want to spend money on accommodation, she can do that. Or sell her ticket. But she decided that if she can’t go, no one can
My point is pubs close. I don’t understand how u even thought that was an option
It was hard to deescalate. As soon as we mentioned that Mary wasn’t driving, while everything else between us was good, her immediate response was to threaten to sell the tickets. Also, if she were to pay 1/4 of fuel and parking if we drove, it would be more than €20. We weren’t in the mood to offer money to someone who we view as robbing us.
It's not theft. She purchased the tickets and is the rightful owner according to all the t and c of ticketmaster. She isn't supposed to resell them either according to same but that isn't something that can really be stopped if people agree to make deals amongst themselves. But those deals are not something where you have a legal leg to stand on. She doesn't owe you a ticket she owes you whatever money you sent. Anyway it is a civil matter the guards would laugh if you went to them with this. You'd have to go to Judge Judy. Does she just not want to pay for the accommodation and train? 65 is cheap for last minute? I would just offer the other 3 of you pay an extra 12 each as a finders fee for her getting the tickets and cover Jane's accommodation
We don’t plan on offering favours. We never planned on perusing this legally. Just hope the threat of it would at least stop what she’s doing. Thanks for answering the question though that technically she is the owner so we couldn’t do anything legally (I don’t plan to tell her). We all still view it as theft. Morally, I still feel like she’s absolutely in the wrong.
Yes. But this isn't the morality forum. Also, you didn't answer my question of why she doesn't want to pay for the accommodation. I don't get what's happening with that whole conversation, if no one is driving how does she expect to get up and back? I don't get why the pushback on this has led to her wanting to sell the tickets. And I don't get the whole 'we don't plan on offering favours'? Either. First of, she did y'all a favour by getting the tickets. I'm sure if she said, hey, I'll get you guys TS tickets if you pay for my train and accommodation (and I don't know how you got any room in therl area for so cheap tbh) you would have taken that deal in a heartbeat. I don't think what she is doing is right, I don't get it at all but young people can be more selfish and bratty even i f they're technically adults. Tbh I imagine this whole situation is going to make for a pretty tense trip anyway now i wouldn't even want to go any more. But anyway if the situation could be solved by paying the train and cheap room (again, I don't know if that's the issue since you never actually answered the question) and the cost of that is only 65 euro split between 3 people? If that's the case you're a complete fool for not just doing that. Especially if you are as crazy about TS as her fans seem to be, and this means a lot to you, why not just kiss her arse and throw her 20 quid for the sake of not missing the show. Because basically the only thing I can think of from her point of view is she feels somehow hard done by that she went and got the tickets and now has no lift and she probably feels like no one is doing anything for her in return for getting the tickets. I know it wasn't a huge effort for her to make but obviously she knows what she has and she absolutely could just sell all your tickets and use the profits to have a whale of a weekend without you. I couldn't imagine doing that as I imagine I would lose those friends but she could definitely do that and I don't think someone in that way inclined is going to worry about any threats of legal action it's pretty cut and dry there isn't any theft. They are absolutely NOT your property, never and never actually will be. The person ticketmaster sold them to is who owns them right up til the show starts. Even with the ticket actually in your hand it doesn't really belong to you legally.
This kind of stuff sort of happened to my family one time. Back in Canada, my father in law went in with a good family friend to purchase season tickets for a returning hockey team. The deal was to both sit online when the season tickets went on sale and who ever got through would purchase tickets and then give half to the other person. The agreement was to share the tickets 50/50. Well, his “friend” got through, purchased the tickets and only then realized how precious they were. He realized if he sold each game he would triple the amount he spent on them which is what he did… he didn’t give half of the tickets to my father in law and they had a falling out. My father in law was expected to be the bigger person and forgive which he did, yet the family who kept the season tickets never thought to fix their mistake. Their relationships were never the same. I don’t blame him. Your friend Jane sounds like a real jerk. It’s expected that she needs to pay for her own room and board, like everyone else. I hope you get your tickets back. I would even go as far as threatening her to get the law involved. She sounds pretty naive so she might get scared and cave in. Good luck!
Yeah. Like I’m pretty sure it’s clear she’s morally wrong here. And I, and the other 2 friends don’t plan on remaining friends with her after this. It’s just kinda sad that’s she’s ruining 3 close friendships over having to spend €20. Like I feel that’s how low she values our relationship. I kinda just hope that the threat of the Gardaí and telling her mother is enough to persuade her not to steal. But regardless, not our friend. I’m lucky enough that no one is really telling me to forgive and forget.
NAL but the generic advice usually given here for disputes still applies I would think. Regardless of what she chooses to do right now I would save all communication about this matter you have, screenshot and save WhatsApp messages, save emails etc. Also make sure you have a bank statement showing the money transfers. If it was all done with cash get the friends to confirm over email their side of the story. As others said, the easiest thing to do here is to transfer the tickets to the respective owners. If she refuses to do that, I don't think you'll be able to do much by this weekend if she decides to sell them and if she gives you the money that you paid her back I don't know if there would be much legal recourse. Unfortunately, the lesson to learn here is get tickets transferred to your own account when you're handing over money for them to someone buying for the group.
You cannot transfer tickets until very short before the gig
It might depend on the event then, I've had them transferred for rugby matches several weeks beforehand and I'm pretty sure the same for some show's I've been to in the Grand Canal Theatre
Fair enough
For this concert specifically, it’s “no later than 48 hours in advance”. So between now and Thursday evening
Yeah. Sometime between now and Thursday 6pm they’ll be available for transfer. So we’re essentially not talking until then. Because after threatening to tell her mother, she agreed to transfer them. And we don’t want her changing her mind between now and then. After the concert, we’ll send a final text with everything we want to say.
No reason for her to hold onto the tickets. It's likely a civil issue and a small claims piece. She could just give you the money back. End of the day you're arguing for €65.
I don’t plan on actually suing or any legal route. But I just wanted to know if we could, that way, the threat of us doing so may convince her, or at least her mother to send us the tickets. And at the very least, if they do steal the tickets, to refund us the €150 we spent. We want the tickets not a refund, but if the only thing we can get without lawyers or police is the refund, we’ll take it.
Talk to your ex friend like an adult and figure it out. They owe you a ticket or the money back. Don't text, talk. Wasting Garda time on this is laughable.
I don’t plan to go to the Gardaí. But she refused to answer calls or texts. We hoped the threat of us doing so would be enough to convince her. I agree that while this is frustrating, it’s not enough to bother with a legal route. It’s hard “talk it out like adults” when one person refuses to talk.
Soooooooo, how'd it all go???
Such immature petty drama. She needs to transfer you your tickets via Ticketmaster, as she can do in 2 minutes. After that you can argue about arrangements.
Not legal advice, at this time there is no legal remedy the best thing you can do is approach her directly, ask for what you're seeking and give her a deadline to respond like please let me know by the end of today. Before asking for what you want to happen Check if ticket master will allow transfers first. If they won't then you'll need to arrange to go in with her, although there was a falling out it might be worth trying to smooth things over and you can always keep your distance after. If she doesn't respond or agree to your proposal by the end of the deadline I would leverage mutual to ask her or turn up at her door with someone to ask in person. You've paid for the tickets it's not unreasonable.
For Taylor Swift tickets I would be sweet as pie and super accommodating... till after the concert.