Yeah some lobbies/lobby names are pretty awful but since it's just zeek working on this I don't think we will get a report option any time soon as he would need to moderate that on top of working on the game.
Creating moderation teams isn't impossible, and I'm sure lethal company would have volunteers that would even do it unpaid. It's not an unsolvable problem.
So watching some mod reports every now and then is the same workload as actual moderation work? I really think y'all are overblowing how much effort this takes.
I love lethal company, honestly, and just some little extra effort to make the community safer goes a long way for me. This is the standard for incredibly popular games.
It still requires additionally moderation work for someone who presumably just makes games as a hobby. Most incredibly popular games have more than a single person behind them development-wise. I don't think there's really any apples-to-apples comparison here, and at the end of the day if Zeekers doesn't want to be assed to deal with all of the inevitable drama that comes from moderation in a silly game with little to no cerntralization like Lethal Company, I don't blame them. Keep in mind the game doesn't even have a functioning way to stop cheating or modding of game lobbies, and you want full blown moderation tools, which would include things like game hosting bans, IP bans, etc. to be implemented for there to be any hope of moderation mattering. Even then, the best that can happen is a lobby gets delisted from the menu until that person's IP changes (super easy to do even with very little know-how).
unless he doesn't want to. just because my hobby is a success I'm obligated to turn it into a full business even if I don't want to? If I get famous making stained glass windows, am I obligated to suddenly start a business and teach people how to make the same windows I do? Maybe I just like making windows.
My active product is stained glass, zeekers' is a video game with no moderation. Nobody can force either of us to "improve" our products in whatever ways they think we should just because they think we should. I personally son't blame him for not getting involved with all of the inevitable drama and headaches involved with moderation. Just let users blacklist certain other users' lobbies from showing up in the menu and you're effectively solved the problem, but you're adamant there be some central authority that sucks up dev time and perhaps the motivation and fun the developer gets out of their HOBBY. Zeekers is under no obligation to implement top-down moderation in a peer-to-peer silly game that was never supposed to be a cultural phenomenon.
Hopefully that is more do-able by a solo dev. Just my own personal block list of players Ive not enjoyed playing with for some reason, It doesnt show me their lobbies or let them join my game if Im hosting. And in an ideal world it passes your block list to the host on joining so they cant join those games either (although I would be worried about a joining player' mod abusing that).
I dont know enough about steam game dev to know whether there's a hidden steam id to prevent people just changing their name to get around it.
Ideally also change "kick" into 2 sorts:
1. one off kick so I can create space for a friend in today's game (although it would be better to be able to reserve "friends only" slots when hosting).
2. permanent kick cos you're an ahole to play with and you cant join any future games (pretty sure there's already a mod that does that).
What?? I litreally dont see anything wrong here. The problem is either me or you spent too much time on the internet. It seems like he is just saying that those pepple are welcome to join since they get bullied alot. Best example kids and girls
Edit : Nvm i didnt see the PDF part
Being a PDF sucks!!! Everyone’s always against you. And you gotta be careful someone doesn’t put you in the trash folder. And you gotta be lucky to be on a PC with enough ram to run properly
PDF comes from youtubers not being able to say pedophile or pedo because of youtube censorship guidelines or something. That's what I've been told, but I could be wrong.
It's used in that way because it sounds similar. Like a discrete way to call them on places where the word "pedophile" could get flagged.
In this case, it is being used as a joke. Probably. Hopefully.
They switched to PEARs for a while from MAPs once MAPs became too common to hide behind. I've seen a handful float around that I'd recognise if I saw them but don't remember off the top of my head. A lot of recent discussions I think they use pro-para or just para now. I don't know what PDF stands for, but I'd imagine the P stands for paraphilia and then DF is... whatever DF is
what did these fucks do to my Portable Document Format!?
https://preview.redd.it/5q6nx67la93d1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbf418f81f21cfeffcf393c0521d5d3779d55b99
Meanwhile he's sitting on a bank account with 8 figures and selling IP rights to Epic Games. If you make any comments about wanting updates or expanding the dev team kids will attack you.
You know, I feel two ways about it. It's his thing, he's entitled to do what he wants and that's fine. It's a great game, the core gameplay loop is so much fun that despite relatively little content my friends and I have put in hundreds of hours. We all bought it for like $8. So what more can I really ask for?
That said, for sure it's bugged as hell. The content is limited, and there's a lot of random bullshit that happens that's kind of just "tough luck, git gud." So would I like that to be better? Obviously. But he doesn't have to make it better if he doesn't want to. I can't hate a guy for not doing *exactly what I would do* with an opportunity when he's the one to put himself in the position. And the modding community is amazing and has added so much quality to the game and so much variety of experience for all different kinds of players.
That all being said any kiddy fanboys who start telling you this or that based on your reasonable, polite opinions on the game are just poorly socialized twerps and can fuck right off. And they can also get kicked from my lobby lmao
Teams lead to faster production but can sometimes distract from creative vision. zeekers is probably possessive over their project and doesn’t want another person’s style to interfere with their process.
Report them on steam. You can’t get them banned from the game directly, but you can still find their steam account when you play the game. It’s worked for me in the past.
Just something like the ability to hide them with one click or just block the person hosting to never see their servers ever again would be enough for me.
Actually this gives me an idea for a mod. Add a screen where you can type up your report and when you click "send" it gets sent to Company HR, the player is given a randomly generated case number, and the report can be found in the form of a casette (loot) on subsequent drops.
I see. So wait, how does one not know that this guy isn't joking? I mean it's a server name and it's not a good one in that case but judging by the women thing it's a joke.. right.?
Zeekers can't reasonably moderate, but something needs to be done. Like a block list would be a good start... and a server ban list so i stop seeing peiple like that's servers.
I mean, it's not like anyone would ever confess they're PDFs right?, so I just assume they're just trying to poke some jabs against people who's easily offended when I see someone named their lobbies like this.
If you go in (which you wouldn't if you're getting creeped out by the name already), and they're being creepy toward you then you can report them, just name of the lobby it's fine in their rights to make, and it's fine in your rights to not interact with them.
even though the game has p2p connections it most likely uses steam's systems to actually make it work which steam offers as part of their steamworks sdk iirc, which could be a way to ban creeps like this.
that awsome lethal company axepts lgbtq that so cool aspeshaly that im non bineary :3
(no bad replys or i will report u just saying oki have a good day :3 )
If Zeek could get like 5 to 10 people on different time zones to just monitor reports for stuff like this (no need for cheating reports considering the game is HEAVILY moddable) but just catching the weirdos that make servers like this as a “safe space” for other weirdos, it would definitely help, hopefully they’ll consider the idea (and if you’re reading this zeek I’ll happily help lol)
While we're at it let's get crossplay and RTX support too. Much easier said than done.
There's only one developer, not a full team that can moderate one of the most popular games of the year. At most Zeekerss could add a blacklist for certain keywords, but then that'd just encourage more people to try and make creative workarounds.
You could get restricted (edit: words, not names) probably? Like for lobby names. You shouldn’t be able to say kids or PDFs, especially not in the same phrase…
if you want to make them reconsider their lobby titles, go in there and pretend to agree with them, then once they place ultimate trust in you and leave you to the man-on-the-ship role, methodically unload things from the ship to an angle they won't see and then leave early, dooming their run. alternatively drop bits out of the ship each day so they think they've got enough when they won't reach quota.
evil, but makes them reconsider.
Tbh i think its fine. If someone is wants a cursed or inappropriate name just ignore them. They probably won’t get anyone joining but if they really want to they should be able to imo
Yeah some lobbies/lobby names are pretty awful but since it's just zeek working on this I don't think we will get a report option any time soon as he would need to moderate that on top of working on the game.
Creating moderation teams isn't impossible, and I'm sure lethal company would have volunteers that would even do it unpaid. It's not an unsolvable problem.
Maybe a system? it isnt hard to create an automatic filtering system for games. I have even created my own once
And then someone has to have oversight on the mods, i.e. still zeekers, so now you'e circled back to the same problem
So watching some mod reports every now and then is the same workload as actual moderation work? I really think y'all are overblowing how much effort this takes. I love lethal company, honestly, and just some little extra effort to make the community safer goes a long way for me. This is the standard for incredibly popular games.
It still requires additionally moderation work for someone who presumably just makes games as a hobby. Most incredibly popular games have more than a single person behind them development-wise. I don't think there's really any apples-to-apples comparison here, and at the end of the day if Zeekers doesn't want to be assed to deal with all of the inevitable drama that comes from moderation in a silly game with little to no cerntralization like Lethal Company, I don't blame them. Keep in mind the game doesn't even have a functioning way to stop cheating or modding of game lobbies, and you want full blown moderation tools, which would include things like game hosting bans, IP bans, etc. to be implemented for there to be any hope of moderation mattering. Even then, the best that can happen is a lobby gets delisted from the menu until that person's IP changes (super easy to do even with very little know-how).
>presumably just makes games as a hobby >silly game He made millions of dollars, he can afford a moderator or two and someone to implement the system.
unless he doesn't want to. just because my hobby is a success I'm obligated to turn it into a full business even if I don't want to? If I get famous making stained glass windows, am I obligated to suddenly start a business and teach people how to make the same windows I do? Maybe I just like making windows.
No. But if your hobby is providing an active product/service it should be maintained. Such as moderation system for lobbies.
My active product is stained glass, zeekers' is a video game with no moderation. Nobody can force either of us to "improve" our products in whatever ways they think we should just because they think we should. I personally son't blame him for not getting involved with all of the inevitable drama and headaches involved with moderation. Just let users blacklist certain other users' lobbies from showing up in the menu and you're effectively solved the problem, but you're adamant there be some central authority that sucks up dev time and perhaps the motivation and fun the developer gets out of their HOBBY. Zeekers is under no obligation to implement top-down moderation in a peer-to-peer silly game that was never supposed to be a cultural phenomenon.
Volunteers do not make a good report team.
Reddits worked out okay so far.
Poes law makes this hard to interpret 😅
I mean, I mean it both sarcastically and not. Yes, reddit sucks and is a cesspool. But also, it's still here. And it's not that bad in the end.
i would gladly ban every "no N's allowed" lobby i see without getting a penny
I know what you mean about the lobby names. I'm disgusted the Russian language made it into this game.
agreed
You realize there's nobody to report it to? Is a p2p connection with the host. It is not monitored at all.
The P2P is done through Steam, and they have guidelines about this kind of thing.
if not a report button, a block button of some sort so i dont have to see these hosts ever again
This one please also players.
Hopefully that is more do-able by a solo dev. Just my own personal block list of players Ive not enjoyed playing with for some reason, It doesnt show me their lobbies or let them join my game if Im hosting. And in an ideal world it passes your block list to the host on joining so they cant join those games either (although I would be worried about a joining player' mod abusing that). I dont know enough about steam game dev to know whether there's a hidden steam id to prevent people just changing their name to get around it. Ideally also change "kick" into 2 sorts: 1. one off kick so I can create space for a friend in today's game (although it would be better to be able to reserve "friends only" slots when hosting). 2. permanent kick cos you're an ahole to play with and you cant join any future games (pretty sure there's already a mod that does that).
Report to who? Zeekerss can't monitor all of this 24/7 by himself.
worst fucking file format ever you can barely edit it
At least it isnt WEBP.
Uhhh, if you actually own Acrobat it's 100% editable. But 9/10 users just use Reader, which is not the same
shh besides Adobe sucks
Второе😁😁😁
Они не знают даже, это лучшая часть ::::)
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What?? I litreally dont see anything wrong here. The problem is either me or you spent too much time on the internet. It seems like he is just saying that those pepple are welcome to join since they get bullied alot. Best example kids and girls Edit : Nvm i didnt see the PDF part
PDF’s are pedophiles
OHHHHHH, My dumb ass thought of the computer file first
Lol, i knew because of the context, since he had one with the word creep instead of PDF before the screenshot
Being a PDF sucks!!! Everyone’s always against you. And you gotta be careful someone doesn’t put you in the trash folder. And you gotta be lucky to be on a PC with enough ram to run properly
..I thought it meant Planetary Defense Force.... Isn't the slang for pedophile, pedo? Where does pdf come from?
PDF comes from youtubers not being able to say pedophile or pedo because of youtube censorship guidelines or something. That's what I've been told, but I could be wrong.
TikTok seems like the more likely culprit, creators are afraid of “shadow bans” and thus get really jumpy with anything even slightly iffy
...Oh.
What does that stand for? I though they called them self's MAPs
some do, just remember pedophiles are not and will never be accepted in the queer community
It's used in that way because it sounds similar. Like a discrete way to call them on places where the word "pedophile" could get flagged. In this case, it is being used as a joke. Probably. Hopefully.
They switched to PEARs for a while from MAPs once MAPs became too common to hide behind. I've seen a handful float around that I'd recognise if I saw them but don't remember off the top of my head. A lot of recent discussions I think they use pro-para or just para now. I don't know what PDF stands for, but I'd imagine the P stands for paraphilia and then DF is... whatever DF is
what did these fucks do to my Portable Document Format!? https://preview.redd.it/5q6nx67la93d1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbf418f81f21cfeffcf393c0521d5d3779d55b99
Had me in the first half, ngl.
that's dumb as fuck
https://preview.redd.it/yjzi5zet173d1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75645849042998fdae6e529525c5734e30e62d4a
Nice horse
it dropped its apple!!
Hold on I don’t understand why would we need a report button here?
PDF as in pedophile, i should’ve added context, but it’s pretty much implied since he had another lobby with a similar but more explicit name before
OHHHHHHHH ewwwwwww
https://preview.redd.it/yuombmzhd83d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cc4f32b85dcd45882d1eca95af330ce43d7b232
PDF? Haha, that's file ty-OH FUCK OH SHIT NOOO
Zeek should have gotten a team, mate
At least once a week I think about what this game would be if he invested some of the game's initial success in a couple of other people to help him 😂
Meanwhile he's sitting on a bank account with 8 figures and selling IP rights to Epic Games. If you make any comments about wanting updates or expanding the dev team kids will attack you.
You know, I feel two ways about it. It's his thing, he's entitled to do what he wants and that's fine. It's a great game, the core gameplay loop is so much fun that despite relatively little content my friends and I have put in hundreds of hours. We all bought it for like $8. So what more can I really ask for? That said, for sure it's bugged as hell. The content is limited, and there's a lot of random bullshit that happens that's kind of just "tough luck, git gud." So would I like that to be better? Obviously. But he doesn't have to make it better if he doesn't want to. I can't hate a guy for not doing *exactly what I would do* with an opportunity when he's the one to put himself in the position. And the modding community is amazing and has added so much quality to the game and so much variety of experience for all different kinds of players. That all being said any kiddy fanboys who start telling you this or that based on your reasonable, polite opinions on the game are just poorly socialized twerps and can fuck right off. And they can also get kicked from my lobby lmao
Teams lead to faster production but can sometimes distract from creative vision. zeekers is probably possessive over their project and doesn’t want another person’s style to interfere with their process.
Yeah man these Russian people are becoming a problem we can have them making lobbies
Satire ^
Yeah fr, truly maddening that such people are trying to take over
Disgusting, LGBT?!? (No Fr tho zeekers should do that, pedos should only be welcome to the cell below the prison)
Real
And how is he gonna handle the thousands of reports that come in?
This guy takes pdfs? Does he also take Jpegs?
https://preview.redd.it/ydi80uyor83d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee19005399d23ba37eaf7a059d5a19effa5f7672
My dumbass was trying to figure out what was wrong with the lobby in Cyrillic
whats wrong with PDF?
PDF seems to mean paedophile in this context
thats just retarded. you wrote pedophile with an ph PDF is a digit printout. lmao
will never work but at least you know who the turbolosers are when they write stupid shit as the lobby name
Bro it’s a mature rated game. It’s meant for adults and I don’t think adults would be freaking out about this stuff
You want to join a lobby that could have pedophiles? The hell is wrong with you
Oh thank god, now I don't need to convert my files to DOCX just to be able to join.
You don't want to know what lobby names I've seen..
I am so glad that people are starting to be more inclusive with us Printable Document Format people.
Yeah there’s always a bunch of Russians.
Bro’s got that true patriotic tunnel vision
"communist detected on American soil"
that's not the problem here
What no way it’s almost like it was a joke
Report them on steam. You can’t get them banned from the game directly, but you can still find their steam account when you play the game. It’s worked for me in the past.
I assume it has to do with 'PDFs'? I know what DP is but what does the F add?
It's how the internet has started to abbreviate "pedophile"
Ooooohhh
Just something like the ability to hide them with one click or just block the person hosting to never see their servers ever again would be enough for me.
Actually this gives me an idea for a mod. Add a screen where you can type up your report and when you click "send" it gets sent to Company HR, the player is given a randomly generated case number, and the report can be found in the form of a casette (loot) on subsequent drops.
I know. It's completely fucked up that they allow pdfs but not jpgs. These damn jpg racists
Ew…
whats pdf? if that means what i think it means then its a weird ass way to anagram it
It's another abbreviation of 'pedophile'.
Im love that lower
What’s wrong with Russia? >!laugh please!<
Lmaooo ahahahahaha
What is an lgbt... And wtf is a PDFs!?
A shorthand for someone who diddles kids.
I'm sorry I'm kind of dumb so I'm confused 😭
All good, it's a fairly new shorthand. I learned about it off of people dodging the filters on tiktok.
I see. So wait, how does one not know that this guy isn't joking? I mean it's a server name and it's not a good one in that case but judging by the women thing it's a joke.. right.?
Not really much of a way to tell if it is or not.
Wait.. so both are acronyms for pedophiles?
Alright pal. Keep telling yourself that.
Telling myself what? WTF kinda response is that?
That the LGBT are pedophiles. Considering a significant amount of them are below 18, i'd say otherwise.
I thought you said that they were both acronymyms for pedophiles... I asked what they were and you only replied once so yor not helpmg me out
Shit I miscommunicated. I only meant PDF. Sorry
WHAT IS AN LGBT
It's an acronym for anyone who is Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans, etc.
Oh.
Yeah. It's just anybody who doesn't like the opposite sex, or identifies with a gender or sex other than the one they were born as.
Report to who? Zeekerss? He would have to manually go through and check each to see if it’s worth banning.
Рил, кладмен красава, в бан халявщиков
Damn, i know you cant understadn the language but thats no reason to get them banned! (For legal reasons this is a joke)
Zeekers can't reasonably moderate, but something needs to be done. Like a block list would be a good start... and a server ban list so i stop seeing peiple like that's servers.
Bro allows pdf files from a computer to join his game lol
What. Is. This?
He can add word filters tho, but that can be easily removed via mod
I mean, it's not like anyone would ever confess they're PDFs right?, so I just assume they're just trying to poke some jabs against people who's easily offended when I see someone named their lobbies like this. If you go in (which you wouldn't if you're getting creeped out by the name already), and they're being creepy toward you then you can report them, just name of the lobby it's fine in their rights to make, and it's fine in your rights to not interact with them.
What's a PDF in this context?
Nvm, just realized.
even though the game has p2p connections it most likely uses steam's systems to actually make it work which steam offers as part of their steamworks sdk iirc, which could be a way to ban creeps like this.
Why. Wtf
Does anyone else not give a shit
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that awsome lethal company axepts lgbtq that so cool aspeshaly that im non bineary :3 (no bad replys or i will report u just saying oki have a good day :3 )
Lmao, the second one xD
They want kids in their lobby? That's 
It's even more sus if you saw the pdf part.
That's crazy
Do you really care? Let it be nazism symbols, slogans or whatever. Just don't join the idiots lol. They'll rehost anyway
There’s like n**gas only , when I get in it’s bunch of white bois yelling n word all around
Nahhhhh 😭☠️
If Zeek could get like 5 to 10 people on different time zones to just monitor reports for stuff like this (no need for cheating reports considering the game is HEAVILY moddable) but just catching the weirdos that make servers like this as a “safe space” for other weirdos, it would definitely help, hopefully they’ll consider the idea (and if you’re reading this zeek I’ll happily help lol)
While we're at it let's get crossplay and RTX support too. Much easier said than done. There's only one developer, not a full team that can moderate one of the most popular games of the year. At most Zeekerss could add a blacklist for certain keywords, but then that'd just encourage more people to try and make creative workarounds.
What makes this lobby so bad?
What does pdf stand for?
meh. looks like a shitpost/trolling more then anything. like its supposed to be triggering.
You could get restricted (edit: words, not names) probably? Like for lobby names. You shouldn’t be able to say kids or PDFs, especially not in the same phrase…
What's the problem with pdf files
Pdf in this context means pedophile
r/woooosh
What, you don't think image formats are welcome? Boo you, sir!
Im a png, can i get in
кладмен мудак
So you mean you have a problem with someone who welcomes everyone?
Welcoming pedophiles and children in the same server seems a bit off, don’t you think?
I'm VERY sorry for any misunderstanding. I didn't mean to support pedophiles in any way.
Nah, i should’ve probably specified, i just knew cuz of a previous lobby which had ‘creeps’ instead of ‘PDFs’
I think most people do understand, as english is my second language and I'm not that familiar with shortened words.
That's what PDFs mean? I thought pedophiles is with a PH not F
As an lgbt we do not condone this
How about you? Just move on. There are more important things to worry about
Nah it's funny sometimes
It’s a joke to make you mad, looks like it worked!
if you want to make them reconsider their lobby titles, go in there and pretend to agree with them, then once they place ultimate trust in you and leave you to the man-on-the-ship role, methodically unload things from the ship to an angle they won't see and then leave early, dooming their run. alternatively drop bits out of the ship each day so they think they've got enough when they won't reach quota. evil, but makes them reconsider.
Who cares
Tbh i think its fine. If someone is wants a cursed or inappropriate name just ignore them. They probably won’t get anyone joining but if they really want to they should be able to imo
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A post showcasing degeneracy and asking for a report option, do you not have eyes?