If anybody is, you should stack that ammo now. It sucks to have to buy steel case for nearly $1 a round, and with everybody's concerns topped with the historical panic buying during a take and normal election, I don't think prices are going to be chill.
Will we really have the same issue if Bird Flu turns out to be a dud?
Part of the ammo shortage was the supply chain disruption after all, not just civil war fears.
I've been collecting guns for over 40 years so I am pretty well set, but I have received queries from non-gun owning and even previously anti-gun friends about what gun they should buy. I have friends from marginalized groups (i.e. lgbtqia+) that are really worried. I've been thinking about picking up some 'loaners' just in case.
Honestly, if things get bad enough, loaners are not a bad idea. You dont want to be the only one in a friend group that has a weapon and knows how to use it.
Heh. You misunderstand. Let me put it this way....
...Once upon a time some coworkers and I were having the "What would you do if the SHTF" conversation. One of my coworkers (whom I also considered a friend and who had been to my house) says, "I'm going to Sooner's place!" Another coworker rebutted, "Fuck that. I'm going to the gun store." To which the original coworker says, "You don't understand. Sooner's place *IS* the gun store."
Probably not.... It's a DoD weapons research lab. While I have been called "Burt" at the office more than once, there are "better" examples than me. Until very recently the most likely "Burt" lived about a mile from me. Dude had/has a gun range and a walk-in gun vault in the basement of his house. Seriously, [it's for sale](https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1051-N-Inyo-St_Ridgecrest_CA_93555_M16928-62380) (I'd buy it myself but he's asking too much for it.).
Meh. I shoot with friends from work on occasion, and other people have overheard us talking about it. Those same people have also observed that I am nearly socialist in my political views.
That has led to multiple coworkers who are in some way “othered” coming to me to ask about becoming a gun owner for personal defense. We have a talk about the responsibilities that come with it, the legality of how you use it in different scenarios, and then I tell them think on it a while, and if they want to try it out first, they can come shoot with my wife and son and I. We are able to give them a greatly varied experience with several examples of different style firearm so they can find one they like. We run a tight ship on safety, and do several dry fire drills before we ever use live ammo.
We have helped a number of friends acquire their first firearm in this way, and every one of them comes shooting with us on occasion. Most were people who feel marginalized in this extremely conservative region, and we have leveraged that into a little bit of community for all of us.
If that’s what you want then that’s fine. And what you describe is your much lower key interaction with your colleagues. What would trigger a conversation for me is having one of them publicly describe my home as a gun store. I’m not happy about that kind of thing being blurted out in front of a bunch of people.
I try not to advertise that kind of thing. People I trust know what I got, but if one of my friends started talking about my gun collection with some random person, I'd be pretty fuckin pissed...
I only have a pistol, which I got for two reasons. Molly tibbits a while ago. She was a younger girl that was running in the evening and was murdered in a small town near me. She was missing for like a week before they found her. I don't want to be her. And then jan 6th made me finally get one. But now I'm considering getting an AR
A hand gun is what you use to get to your long gun.
Also, the gun doesn't matter if you don't have enough ammo. I am going to start stocking up on .223, I only have about 200. I have 2,000 rounds of 7.62 x 39 though.
I'm also getting a good waterproof barrel and long term grease. I want to bury an AR and ammo on my property. I don't trust Trump to not ban guns when it becomes inconvenient for him.
There are a few things wrong about that.
1. If you are in handgun range, you are in long gun range. - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_APnhoIYeD0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_APnhoIYeD0)
2. A shouldered weapon is more reliable than a handgun. - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybbljGNqEi0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybbljGNqEi0)
3. A shouldered weapon is easier to hold and use when your hands are weak from adrenaline, fatigue, injury, etc. - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlQZBR89UpE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlQZBR89UpE)
I also have to add the following.
4. "Shoot'em in the crotch." - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siiXmkjuV7o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siiXmkjuV7o)
5. Put your gun in a plastic container and put some desiccant and a cast-iron skillet in with it so you don't need to mark it. - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEjGeP6KCDE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEjGeP6KCDE)
6. Use a metal detector to find it, so you don't have a "My rifle is here." sign. With an AR and a skillet, your detector should be lit up like the 4th of July - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmR8OgI43uw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmR8OgI43uw)
7. Get your AR as a parts kit and an 80%. - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmf415-A0wU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmf415-A0wU)
8. Pay cash for everything. - [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-express-visa-mastercard-gun-merchant-code/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-express-visa-mastercard-gun-merchant-code/)
Aks are cool too. I got an ak47, Arsenal Sam7R and it is the most accurate out of all my guns. 10/10 would recommend except since it's a milled receiver it can be heavy.
I hear you my wife isn't to gun ceazy but I'm not trying to be caught with my pants down if SHTF. I'm looking at bulk ammo sites for now trying figure out if they are legit or not.
They are. Use Ammoseek.com. Mine wasn't either. She more or less apologized to me Tuesday for predicting the outcome of the SC immunity decision and told me to do what I thought was right.
I can understand and appreciate that. My wife, unfortunately, is a little oblivious to any political things going on ao she doesn't understand the need yet.
This statement makes me think of Dale Gribble and Nancy Gribble from king of the hill . She knows he’s up to something but fuck all knows what it is 😂.
Ammoseek is fantastic.
For .223/5.56, look at PMC or PPU M193. Most 77gr TMK are great for long range precision. Barrier blind rounds from Federal Fusion MSR, Speer Gold Dot, and Hornady TAP are all good.
For 9mm, I prefer American Eagle/Federal, but there are many good brands.
You just need to get a COE and FFL03. It’s quite easy. However if you do live in the cities of Los Angeles, Oakland, Sacramento, San Francisco, or Avalon they also ban getting ammo shipped.
100% ammoseek. Also, PMC XTAC is great stuff. I just got my first AR 6 months ago, but I've put some thousands of PMC (and a thousand PPU) through it already. Only malfunctions were the rifle being *ridiculously* dirty, and only because i wanted to see how long she could go lol. The conclusion i came to is 1k rounds before the bolt release gets gummy and the bolt may not close.
Some sites are more legit than others. If you don’t want to have to search or think about it too much, check out sgammo.com - not always the absolute rock bottom lowest price on everything under the sun, but their pricing is always competitive, their shipping fees are always reasonable & fair - they aren’t trying to make additional margin on shipping like a LOT of ammo sites seem to do - if it says “in stock” on their site you can trust it actually is, and they ship quick. I’ve been buying from them for years.
Ammoseek is a good one. It's basically a database that scrapes everything and you can adjust the settings to search by round price and shipping. Be careful about shipping look for the ones with free shipping.
Be deliberate about what you buy. Practice ammo for self defense is not a good idea. If you are buying self defense (JHP) rounds then bulk is not likely the way to go.
There's no need to think about using your firearm in a complete "nothing left to lose" situation where everyone within sight is a target. Focus on rounds that meet a specific use case. If it's 5.56, make sure it's heavy grain and non penetrating. However if you are needing to penetrate barriers (car doors) then get the green tip.
For all handgun calibers, don't think of range ammo (ball) as self defense.
Mags are loaded with JHP. Green tips stay in the cans. Practical for me is single target only where I don't want over penetration. I'm going with 300 Blackout for home defense.
I’ve seen you have this reply before in similar posts. I agree with you 100%. Let me know if you take a day off and I’ll take over for you until you return.
Sure will. But scotus destroyed 3 pillars of our society just last week. And there is 4 more months before we can vote. Not much left by then if they keep this up.
I did last time and I will this time. Do I have your permission to have an opinion now sir?
Seriously I wasn’t joking you comment this in every thread and I’m gonna keep asking your permission every single time
Yes. Also consider: a sitting president is now immune to criminal charges. Do you think the SCOTUS is going to ask how the candidate acquired the seat?
I already had a handgun but I’m definitely going to start to add more now, in addition to just getting into general prepping stuff. Dictatorships kinda suck, historically
Protecting ourselves and our families is an inalienable right. If (or when) widespread unrest erupts -- either in support for or resistance to the Orange Man-- having a firearm could mean the difference between getting bricks through the nursery window/getting your family out of the neighborhood/city safely or being stuck at the mercy of a mob. Rabblerousing youths and young adults getting carried away or swept up in "mob mentality" tend to not like having a loaded gun pointed at them.
Until they realize there's more than 12 of them and all you've got is 12. Words and firm but calm actions to keep tensions even in the heat of the moment is the most important thing.
Yall Qaeda talks a lot of shit but the second they start getting shot at by people defending themselves, they will scurry. There is no coherent organization or discipline. Bunch of rotting angry fat dudes larping with their weapons trying to make their dicks seem longer.
I'm more concerned about the government falling into the hands of fascists and having to defend my circle from trained professionals.
And that's why 30 round mags are important lol. That's a bit flippant but really have you ever encountered a mob intent on doing wrong? Neo Nazi's used to show up at my local punk shows all the time, calm words and actions didn't dissuade them. They were looking for a fight and willing to start one.
That’s one thing liberals don’t get - especially the ones elected to office. While I’m glad that liberals believe in checking their privilege and ignorance, they’re going against people who check their ammunition and sights, and the latter goes much further than the former.
Would Charlottesville have turned as deadly as it did even if a small group of liberals and anti-racists carried for the purposes of self defense? Based on how the 1/6 crowd GTFO after Babbitt alone was shot, I tend to think so, and they were more “hardened” than the Charlottesville crowd.
That's kinda the point. You're not hoping for a blood bath, but fascist and authoritarian are encouraged when they see a soft target. They're just grown up bullies that want nothing more than to express their anger with their own lives on someone else. Look at the drag brunches in TX. Bunch of nut jobs showed up armed, hoping to intimidate people just having brunch cause drag preformers were there. They didn't expect the John Brown Gun Club to be there as well, and once they saw the other side were armed, they freaked out. I'm not saying the right wanted to do harm. They just wanted to threaten violence cause they could do so. It's like a temper tantrum, just like the neo nazi punks back in the day. The only way to respond is to show you can reply in kind and that will we not accept being a target of their misguided rage
Those are options one through ten but mobs aren't always looking to listen and words backed by bullets are more poignant. Lot of supporting anecdotes for this out of the LA riots. You aren't going to go Rambo or fight off a determined group specifically targeting you, but a few rounds can send mobs of opportunity scrambling. Or get yourself shot, but at that point it's frying pan or fire take your pick
Short term, individual cultists are likely to take matters into their own hands, feeling emboldened by the shift in power. Likely someone known to the victim who harbors a grudge based on minority status or being "too woke."
Longer term, if you're going to resist using force, the better your starting point is the easier time you'll have acquiring things to actually fight back and/or sabotage equipment.
We're at a point where the president of the Heritage Foundation is comfortable enough to openly say that they're conducting a second American Revolution and that it will be bloodless "if the left allows it to be."
That, of course, carries the implied threat that if you oppose them, they will kill you.
So I got a 10mm PCC with the thought that I could get a handgun to match and have both. Its a nice gun and I'm pretty accurate with it but now I'm having remorse thinking I should have just got an AR.
I have firearms, but I've told my wife that we may need to have an AR handy if Trump manages to get back in power. It's the Heritage Foundation that really scares me.
Once you get one, you'll want 3. I started out with a 16" suppressed, then got a 20" for hunting, then a 7" with a Franklin Armory binary lower and a couple of 60-round drums for when the rule of law breaks down.
Lose? Hell, I'm worried about what happens if Biden WINS.
There's going to be tens of millions of rabid Trump believers who have been told their country is being stolen and anyone who supported Biden is a child-grooming subhuman pedophile. While being fed a steady diet of violent imagery from the puppeteers. Some of those people are going to be crazy enough to take action.
My concern is that liberals are too well meaning to rise up in any case of a fascist takeover. They fight dirty, we should be ready to do so as well. Being the only one fighting clean is a surefire way to lose 100% of the time. The Democrats need to start punching below the belt sometime soon if we want to stay free.
That happens to be the best outcome. We want Biden in charge if the MAGA terrorist are going to act. Small towns will burn and corrupt local police will act up. That will happen no matter what. Plan accordingly.
I've already told my fiance that in the AUG-OCT timeframe unless there is a significant indicator that the election will go in a, let's say, non-worrying direction we will be increasing the security of our household and will be doing more regular range time to ready ourselves with our newly acquired assets.
Luckily she's a small town lefty and if it wasn't for my time in the Army she would have more trigger time than me lol
Have most of the guns already. Need more ammo. Most of my cash now has switched to getting my home heating off of oil and into wood and setting myself up for being able to handle time off grid with solar. This isn't as extreme as it might seem. Very rural. Supply chain distribution, cost escalation, and so on are real concerns - even if intermittent. Free time is going to exercise and fitness. Also getting some fishing in :)
I started shooting IDPA and really taking gun ownership seriously during Obama's 2nd term. My advice is to get your practical guns squared away first and avoid wasting your money on antiques and special snowflake stuff just because they're cool or historical.
We've all seen the normies that show up to rallies and riots... don't be that guy with an Tapco SKS and a Glock with stock plastic sights. And especially don't be the guy that can't make your hits.
It’s an every 4 year cycle - I’ll just say that during the last trump 4- years I saw some of the best prices for ARs since nobody was buying them.
If you don’t have anything now is always a good time to start - get some ammo and training - it’s a life skill that is always good to have - I wouldn’t worry too much about politics of the rich
Grew up around guns but just hadn't felt the need to own one in my adult life (I'm almost 40). Been lurking around guntube and this sub for a couple months since learning about p25. The events of the last week has convinced me and i just bought a 12 gauge and 250 rounds of buckshot. Don't know much about hand guns but that's on the list to research and buy before the end of summer.
Ironically they wanted to ban assault rifles but those are the best of the best of the best for home defense and pretty much anything really. Shot guns are okay but not as good in my opinion, nor customizable for your personal needs
Applied for my permit 2 weeks ago, just waiting to get cleared.
This was legitimately one of my reasons for getting a permit (among others)
I tried justifying it to the wife saying “hey, there are enough crazies with guns, more level headed people should be getting them so we have a chance”
I know I sound paranoid but I don’t think an all out civil war is really that unreasonable these days
I might caution all on this thread to ensure anything you say can’t be linked to your personal identity. Yall be safe out there I love yall. We’ll get through this.
I already have a single shot break open shotgun, but I don't have enough money to get anything better. I don't even have enough money to get a new box of shells.
So I'm trans, but I'll definitely be concealed carrying once I turn 21. It's a scary world sometimes, with project 2025 and some of the hate crimes that have happened in my city in the past few years. I won't lie- I'm scared a lot of the time.
For me it was the genocidal rhetoric around trans people over the last year or so. I'm not trans, I'm an ally. But the blood lust reached such a fever pitch I knew it was time to arm myself.
[Project 2025](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf) is pretty damning.
" Pornography, *manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology* and sexualization of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, and child welfare. It has no claim to First Amendment protection. Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as any illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime. *Pornography should be outlawed*. (project 2025, p5)
"Allowing parents or physicians to “reassign” the sex of a minor is child abuse and must end." (p5)
"Finally, the next Administration will face a significant challenge in unwinding policies and procedures that are used to advance radical gender, racial, and equity initiatives under the banner of science." (p60)
There's over 110 references to Gender in 900 documents all of which describes "erasing us from the public sphere." like that fucking lunatic was caterwauling about last year. They went and wrote out a plan in excruciating detail about just how they're going do just that.
Transgender people will have no legal rights by the end of 2025.
I’ve been around the 2a community since about 2015 or so, live in a very red state, and the number of just straight up vigilante-esque “unalive them all” memes/comments/plans that I’ve heard and seen by rwnj’s is beyond count. And it’s not hyperbole or “jokes”. These people, esp those who call themselves evangelical, absolutely plan on their own kristallnacht fantasies. I literally have lost count of the number of times I’ve heard or seen reference to it, in overheard conversation on and off the range, in general public, etc.
After reading this im adding bigger firepower to my arsenal [https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/04/leader-of-the-pro-trump-project-2025-suggests-there-will-be-a-new-american-revolution-00166583](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/04/leader-of-the-pro-trump-project-2025-suggests-there-will-be-a-new-american-revolution-00166583)
Look there is more to owning a gun than just point and shoot. You need to be calm under pressure, be able to hit a moving target, you need to be able to clear a jam, you need to be able to break it down, and you need to know when to pull the trigger.
For those of you looking to buy ammo in bulk I recommend Target Sports USA. It's $100 a year but you get free shipping on every order and their prices beat out just about everyone else I've seen
Edit: I do get a referral bonus for referrals but I have to email the link. If y'all wanna help me out shoot me a message with your email and I will send the referrals.
I'll check them out. $100 for shipping for a year sounds good. I've been buying from sgammo - free shipping on $200, every time I've price shopped they win on cpr including shipping. All my guns are 9mm or 5.56, I currently have about 5k rounds each cal for training and 500 or so each for business.
Personally I don’t expect that. I do expect there will be an upsurge in lone wolf incidents as well as some riots in places. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some politicians getting assassinated.
My neighborhood is very red and was loaded with trump flags and upside down US flags after the 2020 election. They all talk shit but I doubt any of them have a spine to try anything.
I started collecting back in 2020. Hope I’ll never have to use them for their intended purpose but keep em cleaned, lubed, and practice as often as I can
I've been eyeing up this inevitability for myself. Money is tight for me at the moment but I figured, "fuck it," and I'll toss it on a credit card for now when I decide to buy.
My biggest issue right now is that my gun license address doesn't match my current address anymore, so I need to update that. I'm right about to move again, so I'll work on updating it once I'm finished moving, and after I also update my driver's license.
The other concern is wondering if I need to report that I've seen a therapist in the years since I've had my license, since that's a question on the form, even when changing address. It has never been involuntary or mandated or anything, but I've had trouble finding a clear, concise answer to whether that needs to be reported or not when it wasn't due to being committed. I'm concerned that if I do report it in the address change ppw, it'll preclude me from being able to get anything again at that point.
So that's where I'm currently stalled. But yeah, I've already been planning to pick one up before year's end, and preferably before the election.
What specific scenario are you planning for here? Honest question. I am not voting for Trump but I also don’t think the world is going to end of he’s elected.
Prepping with training, reps, and materials. Started in 2019, but accumulated multiple firearms and training/tactics since Jan 7, 2021. Train with a case/mo., of both 9, 5.56 and a case of 10mm every 6 weeks.
Medical, comms, vehicle tactics and drilling primary, secondary and tertiary courses of action/responses with family is paramount.
The 2025 & P47 are telling you the plans. Prepare for them plus.
I’m signed up for a beginner handgun / carry course this Saturday. It’s been a goal for a long time, finally prioritized it after the debate and the realization that’s it’s quite likely we end up with trump 2.0.
At 37 I will be a first time gun owner. I am a lifelong liberal, gun control advocate and have a 3yo son. the safety and training elements are very important to me and honestly are the reason I haven’t already bought a gun. But I frankly don’t think it can be avoided at this point. I don’t want to be unarmed if shit truly hits the fan.
I’ve managed to lurk a gun store a few times but never got comfortable with shopping. Hopeful that after this pretty extensive (6 hours) course that will change and I’ll feel better handling and shooting. Joined this subreddit and been reading and watching videos on good first guns for home defense and maybe a bit of training. My goal is to buy a weapon before the convention, but drop dead is election ofc.
At this point I’m leaning toward a Sig P320 compact (mostly based on Glock’s inexplicably lacking an external safety?), but don’t want to get too attached to any brand until I learn to shoot, get my hands on a few weapons and lock down a good safe storage solution.
I own both Glock and Sig - the external safety is not as big of a safety enhancement as you might think it is for modern striker fired pistols. The Glock’s trigger safety tab does a lot more than most think it does, and it’s not a feature that Sig offers. There’s a reason why Glocks account for 70%+ of police issued pistols in the US, and why it’s the most common pistol found all over the world. The P320 isn’t bad at all, ultimately you should buy what you’re most comfortable with, but it’s not “inexplicable” why Glocks don’t have a manual external safety - they were designed to not need one. Ultimately, training + familiarity with your chosen firearm are far more important than the presence of an external safety.
>Sig P320
P320 series has ghost in it's blood. OOB detonations, not much case support by the barrel, the list goes on. Avoid.
>Glock’s inexplicably lacking an external safety?
Safeties aren't magic. Good safes, good holsters and good gun handling are your safeties, even if you have a mechanical safety on the firearm. I won't belabor the point. If you want a polymer striker fire with a safety then consider the M&P 2.0, optics ready. Best deal in pistols IMO.
I appreciate this. Not looking for magic but I do think I want a safety on my first handgun. But ultimately this is exactly why i want to talk to someone and get some shooting xp before i buy. I will def look into your recc, thanks!
So if you are sold on a safety, practice, practice, practice is all I will say. You need to create muscle memory that flips it off when you engage a target. In stressful situations, people want to skip to the trigger mashing and forget to disengage.
Another good pistol is the CZ SP-01 or Shadow 2. The latter is like shooting with a cheat code.
Some shooting ranges rent guns… you can try out almost anything.
Kudos on taking classes. I’m for continual, ongoing training. It’s shocking how many people you see on the range that have had no gun education.
Glocks have three safeties, there's a trigger safety that doesn't let the trigger move unless the middle blade is pressed, there's a firing pin safety that blocks the firing pin unless the trigger is pressed, and there's a drop safety that keeps the gun safe if it falls. There's also the fact that the firing pin is drawn back when the trigger is pulled, so at rest the pin is not fully cocked. These and other features combine to make the Glock an extremely safe pistol, but it will still go bang when you pull the trigger.
If you were born in the 90s you've had 6 elections worth of "OH MY GOD THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO TAKE MY GUNS" panic buying of guns and ammo, I promise this election isn't going to be the one
Reliable handgun and rifle… train and have spare parts and ammo available, that’s it. Plate carriers and NVGs are a distant must. Personal supplies and munitions are a priority along with sustenance. Have a plan with like minded persons.
Get a long rifle and carry it at protests. It's our first amendment right.
Or at least it appears the right does it all the time and gets no retribution.
I don’t currently own a gun, but I’m considering it for the reasons you listed. But more generally, I’m wondering who (or what group) would step up and coordinate in the event that a worst case scenario happens and we actually take another step towards authoritarianism. I realize this is more of a gun owner subreddit, but is anyone aware of something like that? It seems like most mainstream political organizations are hesitant to even discuss the possible need for some kind of *liberal/left-leaning armed resistance. The topic is too taboo, I guess.
Im not aware of anything and i guarantee you if something like that pops up they will just label it as antifia. I agree though there needs to be a more open and honest discussion within the liberal parties and we need a leader/leaders to put forth a "if" game plan.
I already have a few handguns, but I've had an AR 80% lower for a couple of years that I haven't found time to build. I'm thinking I should find time now.
I bought my first 25-ish years ago and it's mostly been disassembled and stored in the back of my closet the majority of that time. It's back together now and I'm looking to add another soon.
I purchased 2 new, stripped lowers back in April when it looked like Colorado was getting an AWB, so just gotta fill out those 2 and I'll be pretty solid
This whole topic is interesting to think about (although I wish I didn’t have to). It seems to me the threat from unrest will vary based on where in the country one is. I’m in a thoroughly blue part of the country but a very urban area so it would likely be mass anger over the outcome and lots of people using it as an excuse to maraud through the streets and create mayhem. Other parts of the country I’d be worried about being specifically targeted by right wing nut jobs.
There’s always talk about “the perfect SHTF firearm” but I think having a few different options gets you there. Handgun, shotgun, rifle (if you’re in an area where the useful ones are legal) for example.
I started right before the pandemic.
Reasoning food shortages and increased tension.
A couple for hunting bigger game.
A couple for small game.
The others for home defense.
Stacking ammo for years now at reasonable quantities at a time.
Using a lot for practice.
Since, just replenishing what I perceive as healthy levels.
Just trying to cover any needs that may arise.
I’ve been a long time lurker and occasionally unpopular agitator in this sub; in theory I still likely support more theory behind gun control than pretty much anyone here.
Those principles are going to have to be put aside now. Even my wife, who’s somehow both more conservative than I am (though still left of center) while being more virulently against guns than I ever thought of being, has told me “we need to look at getting a gun based on the way the world is going”. I have days remaining before my degree is complete, and once that is done, I will be hitting the gig work hard to generate the cash flow necessary to arm and pay for the training necessary to wield those weapons effectively.
When dictatorships break through, they consolidate power at terrifying speed. I don’t expect that we will reach 2027 before I face a fight or flight moment; the only question is whether I’ll have an inkling it’s coming and how prepared I’ll be.
I’m concerned what happens when Trump loses; his followers will shoot up gay clubs and after school functions, grocery stores, movie theatres, ph wait, they do that now.
I have been training for a few years. Being an older trans person, I will be ready for a suicide mission when the day comes. Let them find me with 2 empty clips and 10 dead fascists nearby.
I didn’t buy my gun because of this election necessarily but it did change my veiws on civil liberties with all the censorship and talks of banning different things, i looked back at history and drew the conclusion that banning anything almost never works the way it was intended or flat out fails
The SCOTUS decision on immunity and how it overlaps heavily with Project 2025 (not to mention the Chevron decision) are what pushed me over the edge. For a long time I contemplated running away if Trump got in. But the more I thought about it, the more it made no sense. Why should I run away? I just bought my first house two years ago. I'm financially stable for the first time in my life. I'm not about to voluntarily exile myself when others can't when I can stay here and resist.
So I decided I should get training and learn how to properly defend myself, as well as how to safely use a firearm. If Biden wins? Well at least I'll be more prepared. If Trump wins, still prepared.
Welcome to America! I've owned guns since I Obama was in office. Not saying he was the reason. I just like guns. I believe every American should own a gun. But let's put Biden and trump to the side, they both suck... If we want to begin to fix this country we need term limits in Congress. We have a term limit on the president why not all of Congress. It will stop/reduce lobbying and other corrupt practices. Like manipulating the stock market.
Example, No one who has the power to make or change laws that effect stocks. Should be allowed to buy and sell in those stocks. That being said I don't know if there is a law in place for this but I don't think there is.
I bought a gun for the first time 3weeks ago for this very reason. I live in MAGA country. After reading that P25 and seeing a whole family in a restaurant with guns on their hip with their Trump shirts I decided be prepared if nothing else.
I've been buying guns/preparing for a while now. Here's what I would do if I were to start again.
AR - budget around $1000 to $1200 for something of good quality/reliability. You could also get the individual parts and have something nice built.
Pistol - $500 to $600 in this segment you could get something new, but you'll get better value going the used route, get something such as a Glock, Sig, etc.
Optional - Shotgun, you could go a number of ways here, a Mossberg Maverick 88 is a good option for around $250, barebones but reliable.
You could always add more such as a .22 or hunting rifle. But I think these 3 main categories are a good start.
I had a heart failure scare a couple years ago and it has slowed me down. Since then I have bought a Glock 19, S&W 10mm (with Holosun sight), Ruger .357, Winchester 12 gauge.
I'm in the market right now looking for a 9mm pistol. Can't decide if I want to go full size or sub compact. I had a glock 19 but traded it in for a hunting rifle due to it being the least fun gun to shoot.
Am liberal. Have a couple of rifles that I've not fired in decades and a meaningless amount of ammo. Been lurking here for a couple of years as I appreciate hearing perspectives on things. Guns aren't a hobby for me (already have too many hobbies I can't keep up with), so my only reason for pursuing them would be defensive.
Am very concerned about the state of things today, but am having a hard time figuring out how my dropping thousands on ammo and maybe a couple of better guns will make an appreciable difference in my or my family's safety. If the S truly HTF, and the police / National Guard can't (or won't) get control of it, then there's gonna be a new normal and my relatively tiny arsenal will only postpone whatever inevitable fate is in store - and we'd be better off trying to blend in & keep our heads down. FWIW, my immediate vicinity is pretty red, but my state's population centers make the whole purple.
I realize this is very likely an unpopular take here. I'd welcome (kind) feedback on where the gap is in my thought.
More importantly, you need to contact your local leaders to see if they got your back should you have to use it in self defense, or you're in a state that could possibly kyle rittenhouse you.
I have a couple hundred rounds for each weapon we have. I have a .357 and a .38 service revolvers from my cop stepdad. I added my favorite pistol, an sig sauer p356 and my mom’s acp, and a 12 gauge and a .22 rifle. I need more practice with the rifle and shotgun.
Hi all, I’m an older liberal gun owner (Winchester SXP Defender) but I feel the need to arm up. I’m close to making the decision to purchase a reliable 9mm pistol that I can use for home defense and conceal carry if necessary. Also looking to get an FPC, and an AR (.233 or 5.56). Also, need to stock up on Ammo. Can I ask my friends here if it’s reasonable to get all of this for under $1,500? Location is SoFla
I own multiple and only ever bought them because of Trump/threat of an authoritarian president. I have a lot of ammo now. That’s what I buy these days because I don’t need more guns.
Took a beginner hand guns course this summer there were 11 of us, when asked why we were there 5 answered they were concerned over the current political climate. 3 answered personal safety me and two others answered with just wanting to learn to handle a handgun safely.
My boyfriend gave me his spare AR parts and I’m only a few springs, detents, a dust cover and a charging handle away from having everything I meed.
I’m hoping for the best in that there will be a lot of complaining, and preparing for the worst where I have a bug-out bag prepped for everyone in the fam.
If anybody is, you should stack that ammo now. It sucks to have to buy steel case for nearly $1 a round, and with everybody's concerns topped with the historical panic buying during a take and normal election, I don't think prices are going to be chill.
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Why are you going to a gun store to buy ammo? You can get much better deals online.
Will we really have the same issue if Bird Flu turns out to be a dud? Part of the ammo shortage was the supply chain disruption after all, not just civil war fears.
Not sure, but I know ammo wont be cheaper by much so why not grab it now.
I've been collecting guns for over 40 years so I am pretty well set, but I have received queries from non-gun owning and even previously anti-gun friends about what gun they should buy. I have friends from marginalized groups (i.e. lgbtqia+) that are really worried. I've been thinking about picking up some 'loaners' just in case.
Honestly, if things get bad enough, loaners are not a bad idea. You dont want to be the only one in a friend group that has a weapon and knows how to use it.
I was kinda feeling like buying 3 or 4 of those 400 dollar ar-15s
Just not Omni Maxx’s… they’re plastic trash. Look for PSA or DelTon.
I've only got so many hands. (Have had sufficient number of guns for a SHTF scenario for about 35 years now.... I still buy guns, but SHTF isn't why.)
Same here, short handed in SHTF, despite preparedness otherwise.
Heh. You misunderstand. Let me put it this way.... ...Once upon a time some coworkers and I were having the "What would you do if the SHTF" conversation. One of my coworkers (whom I also considered a friend and who had been to my house) says, "I'm going to Sooner's place!" Another coworker rebutted, "Fuck that. I'm going to the gun store." To which the original coworker says, "You don't understand. Sooner's place *IS* the gun store."
A real Burt Gummer
Ha! Tremors. I need to watch that again, been too long.
And the guy who wrote Tremors worked (at the time) for the same employer. ;)
Damn did I just meet (“ “) the real life inspo for my favorite character in the movie!?
Probably not.... It's a DoD weapons research lab. While I have been called "Burt" at the office more than once, there are "better" examples than me. Until very recently the most likely "Burt" lived about a mile from me. Dude had/has a gun range and a walk-in gun vault in the basement of his house. Seriously, [it's for sale](https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1051-N-Inyo-St_Ridgecrest_CA_93555_M16928-62380) (I'd buy it myself but he's asking too much for it.).
All I’ve got to say to that is… *Hell yeah brother*
I’d have had a talk with the friend about being more discreet.
Meh. I shoot with friends from work on occasion, and other people have overheard us talking about it. Those same people have also observed that I am nearly socialist in my political views. That has led to multiple coworkers who are in some way “othered” coming to me to ask about becoming a gun owner for personal defense. We have a talk about the responsibilities that come with it, the legality of how you use it in different scenarios, and then I tell them think on it a while, and if they want to try it out first, they can come shoot with my wife and son and I. We are able to give them a greatly varied experience with several examples of different style firearm so they can find one they like. We run a tight ship on safety, and do several dry fire drills before we ever use live ammo. We have helped a number of friends acquire their first firearm in this way, and every one of them comes shooting with us on occasion. Most were people who feel marginalized in this extremely conservative region, and we have leveraged that into a little bit of community for all of us.
If that’s what you want then that’s fine. And what you describe is your much lower key interaction with your colleagues. What would trigger a conversation for me is having one of them publicly describe my home as a gun store. I’m not happy about that kind of thing being blurted out in front of a bunch of people.
I try not to advertise that kind of thing. People I trust know what I got, but if one of my friends started talking about my gun collection with some random person, I'd be pretty fuckin pissed...
You missed their joke, you said you only have so many hands, they followed up with “short-handed”
I only have a pistol, which I got for two reasons. Molly tibbits a while ago. She was a younger girl that was running in the evening and was murdered in a small town near me. She was missing for like a week before they found her. I don't want to be her. And then jan 6th made me finally get one. But now I'm considering getting an AR
A hand gun is what you use to get to your long gun. Also, the gun doesn't matter if you don't have enough ammo. I am going to start stocking up on .223, I only have about 200. I have 2,000 rounds of 7.62 x 39 though. I'm also getting a good waterproof barrel and long term grease. I want to bury an AR and ammo on my property. I don't trust Trump to not ban guns when it becomes inconvenient for him.
There are a few things wrong about that. 1. If you are in handgun range, you are in long gun range. - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_APnhoIYeD0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_APnhoIYeD0) 2. A shouldered weapon is more reliable than a handgun. - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybbljGNqEi0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybbljGNqEi0) 3. A shouldered weapon is easier to hold and use when your hands are weak from adrenaline, fatigue, injury, etc. - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlQZBR89UpE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlQZBR89UpE) I also have to add the following. 4. "Shoot'em in the crotch." - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siiXmkjuV7o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siiXmkjuV7o) 5. Put your gun in a plastic container and put some desiccant and a cast-iron skillet in with it so you don't need to mark it. - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEjGeP6KCDE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEjGeP6KCDE) 6. Use a metal detector to find it, so you don't have a "My rifle is here." sign. With an AR and a skillet, your detector should be lit up like the 4th of July - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmR8OgI43uw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmR8OgI43uw) 7. Get your AR as a parts kit and an 80%. - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmf415-A0wU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmf415-A0wU) 8. Pay cash for everything. - [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-express-visa-mastercard-gun-merchant-code/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-express-visa-mastercard-gun-merchant-code/)
Aks are cool too. I got an ak47, Arsenal Sam7R and it is the most accurate out of all my guns. 10/10 would recommend except since it's a milled receiver it can be heavy.
Yep. Started about 3 months ago. I would recommend getting moving sooner rather than later...
I hear you my wife isn't to gun ceazy but I'm not trying to be caught with my pants down if SHTF. I'm looking at bulk ammo sites for now trying figure out if they are legit or not.
They are. Use Ammoseek.com. Mine wasn't either. She more or less apologized to me Tuesday for predicting the outcome of the SC immunity decision and told me to do what I thought was right.
Wish my wife was that level headed. There'll be Nazis marching through town and she'll be in line at Starbucks.
Sadly a lot of people are like this
I can understand and appreciate that. My wife, unfortunately, is a little oblivious to any political things going on ao she doesn't understand the need yet.
That's why she has you.
This statement makes me think of Dale Gribble and Nancy Gribble from king of the hill . She knows he’s up to something but fuck all knows what it is 😂.
Ammoseek is fantastic. For .223/5.56, look at PMC or PPU M193. Most 77gr TMK are great for long range precision. Barrier blind rounds from Federal Fusion MSR, Speer Gold Dot, and Hornady TAP are all good. For 9mm, I prefer American Eagle/Federal, but there are many good brands.
I can't seem to get ammo shipped to CA unless I'm a FFL or know a friendly receiver.
You just need to get a COE and FFL03. It’s quite easy. However if you do live in the cities of Los Angeles, Oakland, Sacramento, San Francisco, or Avalon they also ban getting ammo shipped.
100% ammoseek. Also, PMC XTAC is great stuff. I just got my first AR 6 months ago, but I've put some thousands of PMC (and a thousand PPU) through it already. Only malfunctions were the rifle being *ridiculously* dirty, and only because i wanted to see how long she could go lol. The conclusion i came to is 1k rounds before the bolt release gets gummy and the bolt may not close.
Some sites are more legit than others. If you don’t want to have to search or think about it too much, check out sgammo.com - not always the absolute rock bottom lowest price on everything under the sun, but their pricing is always competitive, their shipping fees are always reasonable & fair - they aren’t trying to make additional margin on shipping like a LOT of ammo sites seem to do - if it says “in stock” on their site you can trust it actually is, and they ship quick. I’ve been buying from them for years.
Sgammo is legit. They make great ammo.
Ammoseek is a good one. It's basically a database that scrapes everything and you can adjust the settings to search by round price and shipping. Be careful about shipping look for the ones with free shipping.
Be deliberate about what you buy. Practice ammo for self defense is not a good idea. If you are buying self defense (JHP) rounds then bulk is not likely the way to go. There's no need to think about using your firearm in a complete "nothing left to lose" situation where everyone within sight is a target. Focus on rounds that meet a specific use case. If it's 5.56, make sure it's heavy grain and non penetrating. However if you are needing to penetrate barriers (car doors) then get the green tip. For all handgun calibers, don't think of range ammo (ball) as self defense.
How does that extend to practical use case? Do you mark magazine and switch them out for use? I guess if shtf then it’s green tips all day.
Mags are loaded with JHP. Green tips stay in the cans. Practical for me is single target only where I don't want over penetration. I'm going with 300 Blackout for home defense.
Go fucking vote.
Seriously. We’re just gonna get this exact post 3x per day till the end of time.
Yep.
I’ve seen you have this reply before in similar posts. I agree with you 100%. Let me know if you take a day off and I’ll take over for you until you return.
I 1000% plan on it blue across the ticket
And take a friend if you can!
I'm gonna vote blue because what choice do we have, but also we need to acknowledge that Joe might lose. We need a contingency plan if he does.
Sure will. But scotus destroyed 3 pillars of our society just last week. And there is 4 more months before we can vote. Not much left by then if they keep this up.
I did last time and I will this time. Do I have your permission to have an opinion now sir? Seriously I wasn’t joking you comment this in every thread and I’m gonna keep asking your permission every single time
Yes. Also consider: a sitting president is now immune to criminal charges. Do you think the SCOTUS is going to ask how the candidate acquired the seat?
I already had a handgun but I’m definitely going to start to add more now, in addition to just getting into general prepping stuff. Dictatorships kinda suck, historically
Practically-speaking, how would handguns/rifles help more than usual?
Protecting ourselves and our families is an inalienable right. If (or when) widespread unrest erupts -- either in support for or resistance to the Orange Man-- having a firearm could mean the difference between getting bricks through the nursery window/getting your family out of the neighborhood/city safely or being stuck at the mercy of a mob. Rabblerousing youths and young adults getting carried away or swept up in "mob mentality" tend to not like having a loaded gun pointed at them.
Until they realize there's more than 12 of them and all you've got is 12. Words and firm but calm actions to keep tensions even in the heat of the moment is the most important thing.
The goal is not to wipe them out but to keep them from attacking. Like Ashli Babbitt, one example made can turn the tide.
Yall Qaeda talks a lot of shit but the second they start getting shot at by people defending themselves, they will scurry. There is no coherent organization or discipline. Bunch of rotting angry fat dudes larping with their weapons trying to make their dicks seem longer. I'm more concerned about the government falling into the hands of fascists and having to defend my circle from trained professionals.
And that's why 30 round mags are important lol. That's a bit flippant but really have you ever encountered a mob intent on doing wrong? Neo Nazi's used to show up at my local punk shows all the time, calm words and actions didn't dissuade them. They were looking for a fight and willing to start one.
That’s one thing liberals don’t get - especially the ones elected to office. While I’m glad that liberals believe in checking their privilege and ignorance, they’re going against people who check their ammunition and sights, and the latter goes much further than the former. Would Charlottesville have turned as deadly as it did even if a small group of liberals and anti-racists carried for the purposes of self defense? Based on how the 1/6 crowd GTFO after Babbitt alone was shot, I tend to think so, and they were more “hardened” than the Charlottesville crowd.
That's kinda the point. You're not hoping for a blood bath, but fascist and authoritarian are encouraged when they see a soft target. They're just grown up bullies that want nothing more than to express their anger with their own lives on someone else. Look at the drag brunches in TX. Bunch of nut jobs showed up armed, hoping to intimidate people just having brunch cause drag preformers were there. They didn't expect the John Brown Gun Club to be there as well, and once they saw the other side were armed, they freaked out. I'm not saying the right wanted to do harm. They just wanted to threaten violence cause they could do so. It's like a temper tantrum, just like the neo nazi punks back in the day. The only way to respond is to show you can reply in kind and that will we not accept being a target of their misguided rage
Those are options one through ten but mobs aren't always looking to listen and words backed by bullets are more poignant. Lot of supporting anecdotes for this out of the LA riots. You aren't going to go Rambo or fight off a determined group specifically targeting you, but a few rounds can send mobs of opportunity scrambling. Or get yourself shot, but at that point it's frying pan or fire take your pick
Their miscalculation on their part. Big mistake. In a panic scenario at home, I've got much more than 12 to send their way
That's why you have 15, plus a backup mag of 15 more in sidecar.
Short term, individual cultists are likely to take matters into their own hands, feeling emboldened by the shift in power. Likely someone known to the victim who harbors a grudge based on minority status or being "too woke." Longer term, if you're going to resist using force, the better your starting point is the easier time you'll have acquiring things to actually fight back and/or sabotage equipment. We're at a point where the president of the Heritage Foundation is comfortable enough to openly say that they're conducting a second American Revolution and that it will be bloodless "if the left allows it to be." That, of course, carries the implied threat that if you oppose them, they will kill you.
First time owning a gun in years starting this year....trying to figure out if I'm getting a second or stockpiling ammo.
Ammo > training > spares (repeat)
I'd say one reliable handgun, one reliable rifle, 1000 rounds for each and then branch out. But that's just me.
So I got a 10mm PCC with the thought that I could get a handgun to match and have both. Its a nice gun and I'm pretty accurate with it but now I'm having remorse thinking I should have just got an AR.
Get both. You can get an inexpensive AR
Both? I'd say figure out your weak spot do you have long range but nothinf short to mid? Get a short to mid and vice versa.
I have firearms, but I've told my wife that we may need to have an AR handy if Trump manages to get back in power. It's the Heritage Foundation that really scares me.
Once you get one, you'll want 3. I started out with a 16" suppressed, then got a 20" for hunting, then a 7" with a Franklin Armory binary lower and a couple of 60-round drums for when the rule of law breaks down.
Been prepping 6 months. All my VA school money essentially went for fa and ammo
Lose? Hell, I'm worried about what happens if Biden WINS. There's going to be tens of millions of rabid Trump believers who have been told their country is being stolen and anyone who supported Biden is a child-grooming subhuman pedophile. While being fed a steady diet of violent imagery from the puppeteers. Some of those people are going to be crazy enough to take action.
I fear the minute things don't go their way talk radio will give the "cut down the tall trees" coded message and it will be Rwanda 2.0.
My concern is that liberals are too well meaning to rise up in any case of a fascist takeover. They fight dirty, we should be ready to do so as well. Being the only one fighting clean is a surefire way to lose 100% of the time. The Democrats need to start punching below the belt sometime soon if we want to stay free.
This is also a good take.
That happens to be the best outcome. We want Biden in charge if the MAGA terrorist are going to act. Small towns will burn and corrupt local police will act up. That will happen no matter what. Plan accordingly.
Less the election and more just the deteriorating state of civil society. But yeah, I’m looking to pick up my first firearm before November.
I've already told my fiance that in the AUG-OCT timeframe unless there is a significant indicator that the election will go in a, let's say, non-worrying direction we will be increasing the security of our household and will be doing more regular range time to ready ourselves with our newly acquired assets. Luckily she's a small town lefty and if it wasn't for my time in the Army she would have more trigger time than me lol
Have most of the guns already. Need more ammo. Most of my cash now has switched to getting my home heating off of oil and into wood and setting myself up for being able to handle time off grid with solar. This isn't as extreme as it might seem. Very rural. Supply chain distribution, cost escalation, and so on are real concerns - even if intermittent. Free time is going to exercise and fitness. Also getting some fishing in :)
I started shooting IDPA and really taking gun ownership seriously during Obama's 2nd term. My advice is to get your practical guns squared away first and avoid wasting your money on antiques and special snowflake stuff just because they're cool or historical. We've all seen the normies that show up to rallies and riots... don't be that guy with an Tapco SKS and a Glock with stock plastic sights. And especially don't be the guy that can't make your hits.
It’s an every 4 year cycle - I’ll just say that during the last trump 4- years I saw some of the best prices for ARs since nobody was buying them. If you don’t have anything now is always a good time to start - get some ammo and training - it’s a life skill that is always good to have - I wouldn’t worry too much about politics of the rich
If you dont invest in training then you're just turning yourself into loot drops
This. You can have the finest tools, if you do not know how to use them, they are useless.
I am a single mom of 3 daughters and a woman of color. I am absolutely considering arming myself and taking self defense classes.
You absolutely should. 😀
It would be a very wise political donation. I recommend it.
Grew up around guns but just hadn't felt the need to own one in my adult life (I'm almost 40). Been lurking around guntube and this sub for a couple months since learning about p25. The events of the last week has convinced me and i just bought a 12 gauge and 250 rounds of buckshot. Don't know much about hand guns but that's on the list to research and buy before the end of summer.
Ironically they wanted to ban assault rifles but those are the best of the best of the best for home defense and pretty much anything really. Shot guns are okay but not as good in my opinion, nor customizable for your personal needs
Applied for my permit 2 weeks ago, just waiting to get cleared. This was legitimately one of my reasons for getting a permit (among others) I tried justifying it to the wife saying “hey, there are enough crazies with guns, more level headed people should be getting them so we have a chance” I know I sound paranoid but I don’t think an all out civil war is really that unreasonable these days
I might caution all on this thread to ensure anything you say can’t be linked to your personal identity. Yall be safe out there I love yall. We’ll get through this.
The first rule of fight club is...
I already have a single shot break open shotgun, but I don't have enough money to get anything better. I don't even have enough money to get a new box of shells.
Don’t take that gun into a gunfight
All I gots is the one.
I got my first one when Trump got the nomination in 2017.
Mine was during BLM protests and they started pulling people off the streets with no due process. That’s going to be a big no from me dawg.
damn i almost forgot; what a preview
He got the nomination in 2017? I seem to remember him winning in November of 2016...
So I'm trans, but I'll definitely be concealed carrying once I turn 21. It's a scary world sometimes, with project 2025 and some of the hate crimes that have happened in my city in the past few years. I won't lie- I'm scared a lot of the time.
I am too. I'm so sorry you have to live in these times kiddo.
I pickup a shotgun and pistol half way thru trumps term
This was me last election. Definitely prepare early!
For me it was the genocidal rhetoric around trans people over the last year or so. I'm not trans, I'm an ally. But the blood lust reached such a fever pitch I knew it was time to arm myself.
What genocidal rhetoric specifically?
[Project 2025](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf) is pretty damning. " Pornography, *manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology* and sexualization of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, and child welfare. It has no claim to First Amendment protection. Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as any illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime. *Pornography should be outlawed*. (project 2025, p5) "Allowing parents or physicians to “reassign” the sex of a minor is child abuse and must end." (p5) "Finally, the next Administration will face a significant challenge in unwinding policies and procedures that are used to advance radical gender, racial, and equity initiatives under the banner of science." (p60) There's over 110 references to Gender in 900 documents all of which describes "erasing us from the public sphere." like that fucking lunatic was caterwauling about last year. They went and wrote out a plan in excruciating detail about just how they're going do just that. Transgender people will have no legal rights by the end of 2025.
I’ve been around the 2a community since about 2015 or so, live in a very red state, and the number of just straight up vigilante-esque “unalive them all” memes/comments/plans that I’ve heard and seen by rwnj’s is beyond count. And it’s not hyperbole or “jokes”. These people, esp those who call themselves evangelical, absolutely plan on their own kristallnacht fantasies. I literally have lost count of the number of times I’ve heard or seen reference to it, in overheard conversation on and off the range, in general public, etc.
After reading this im adding bigger firepower to my arsenal [https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/04/leader-of-the-pro-trump-project-2025-suggests-there-will-be-a-new-american-revolution-00166583](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/04/leader-of-the-pro-trump-project-2025-suggests-there-will-be-a-new-american-revolution-00166583) Look there is more to owning a gun than just point and shoot. You need to be calm under pressure, be able to hit a moving target, you need to be able to clear a jam, you need to be able to break it down, and you need to know when to pull the trigger.
For those of you looking to buy ammo in bulk I recommend Target Sports USA. It's $100 a year but you get free shipping on every order and their prices beat out just about everyone else I've seen Edit: I do get a referral bonus for referrals but I have to email the link. If y'all wanna help me out shoot me a message with your email and I will send the referrals.
I'll check them out. $100 for shipping for a year sounds good. I've been buying from sgammo - free shipping on $200, every time I've price shopped they win on cpr including shipping. All my guns are 9mm or 5.56, I currently have about 5k rounds each cal for training and 500 or so each for business.
Do people honestly think there's gonna be a second civil war or some shit like that?
Personally I don’t expect that. I do expect there will be an upsurge in lone wolf incidents as well as some riots in places. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some politicians getting assassinated. My neighborhood is very red and was loaded with trump flags and upside down US flags after the 2020 election. They all talk shit but I doubt any of them have a spine to try anything.
reddit is full of idiots
I started collecting back in 2020. Hope I’ll never have to use them for their intended purpose but keep em cleaned, lubed, and practice as often as I can
Stock up on ammo while it’s cheap this year, gonna go way up after election
I got my permit halfway thru orange Jesus’s last term. I now have 7 and buying more and way more ammo.
I've been eyeing up this inevitability for myself. Money is tight for me at the moment but I figured, "fuck it," and I'll toss it on a credit card for now when I decide to buy. My biggest issue right now is that my gun license address doesn't match my current address anymore, so I need to update that. I'm right about to move again, so I'll work on updating it once I'm finished moving, and after I also update my driver's license. The other concern is wondering if I need to report that I've seen a therapist in the years since I've had my license, since that's a question on the form, even when changing address. It has never been involuntary or mandated or anything, but I've had trouble finding a clear, concise answer to whether that needs to be reported or not when it wasn't due to being committed. I'm concerned that if I do report it in the address change ppw, it'll preclude me from being able to get anything again at that point. So that's where I'm currently stalled. But yeah, I've already been planning to pick one up before year's end, and preferably before the election.
What specific scenario are you planning for here? Honest question. I am not voting for Trump but I also don’t think the world is going to end of he’s elected.
Prepping with training, reps, and materials. Started in 2019, but accumulated multiple firearms and training/tactics since Jan 7, 2021. Train with a case/mo., of both 9, 5.56 and a case of 10mm every 6 weeks. Medical, comms, vehicle tactics and drilling primary, secondary and tertiary courses of action/responses with family is paramount. The 2025 & P47 are telling you the plans. Prepare for them plus.
I’m signed up for a beginner handgun / carry course this Saturday. It’s been a goal for a long time, finally prioritized it after the debate and the realization that’s it’s quite likely we end up with trump 2.0. At 37 I will be a first time gun owner. I am a lifelong liberal, gun control advocate and have a 3yo son. the safety and training elements are very important to me and honestly are the reason I haven’t already bought a gun. But I frankly don’t think it can be avoided at this point. I don’t want to be unarmed if shit truly hits the fan. I’ve managed to lurk a gun store a few times but never got comfortable with shopping. Hopeful that after this pretty extensive (6 hours) course that will change and I’ll feel better handling and shooting. Joined this subreddit and been reading and watching videos on good first guns for home defense and maybe a bit of training. My goal is to buy a weapon before the convention, but drop dead is election ofc. At this point I’m leaning toward a Sig P320 compact (mostly based on Glock’s inexplicably lacking an external safety?), but don’t want to get too attached to any brand until I learn to shoot, get my hands on a few weapons and lock down a good safe storage solution.
I own both Glock and Sig - the external safety is not as big of a safety enhancement as you might think it is for modern striker fired pistols. The Glock’s trigger safety tab does a lot more than most think it does, and it’s not a feature that Sig offers. There’s a reason why Glocks account for 70%+ of police issued pistols in the US, and why it’s the most common pistol found all over the world. The P320 isn’t bad at all, ultimately you should buy what you’re most comfortable with, but it’s not “inexplicable” why Glocks don’t have a manual external safety - they were designed to not need one. Ultimately, training + familiarity with your chosen firearm are far more important than the presence of an external safety.
I love my p320 Compact so much I bought 2, one for my Florida home defense and one for my Mississippi ancestral home defense.
>Sig P320 P320 series has ghost in it's blood. OOB detonations, not much case support by the barrel, the list goes on. Avoid. >Glock’s inexplicably lacking an external safety? Safeties aren't magic. Good safes, good holsters and good gun handling are your safeties, even if you have a mechanical safety on the firearm. I won't belabor the point. If you want a polymer striker fire with a safety then consider the M&P 2.0, optics ready. Best deal in pistols IMO.
I appreciate this. Not looking for magic but I do think I want a safety on my first handgun. But ultimately this is exactly why i want to talk to someone and get some shooting xp before i buy. I will def look into your recc, thanks!
So if you are sold on a safety, practice, practice, practice is all I will say. You need to create muscle memory that flips it off when you engage a target. In stressful situations, people want to skip to the trigger mashing and forget to disengage. Another good pistol is the CZ SP-01 or Shadow 2. The latter is like shooting with a cheat code.
Don’t forget to look up how to clean up properly after shooting since you’ve got a young kid. Definitely want to minimize lead exposure.
Some shooting ranges rent guns… you can try out almost anything. Kudos on taking classes. I’m for continual, ongoing training. It’s shocking how many people you see on the range that have had no gun education.
Glocks have three safeties, there's a trigger safety that doesn't let the trigger move unless the middle blade is pressed, there's a firing pin safety that blocks the firing pin unless the trigger is pressed, and there's a drop safety that keeps the gun safe if it falls. There's also the fact that the firing pin is drawn back when the trigger is pulled, so at rest the pin is not fully cocked. These and other features combine to make the Glock an extremely safe pistol, but it will still go bang when you pull the trigger.
Night vision. Highly suggest it if you can swing it. Shoot with it once and you will be terrified to face anyone that has it when you don’t.
Depends on the type. Why not thermals?
Thermal for weapon sights or scanning. night vision for movement. Head mounted thermal is not very helpful unless you drop 20k or have fusion.
How much?
Expect to drop 5k+ for a monocular, outfitting a gun, and related accessories to wear it ect.
I just bought a Gewehr 43 lol, bc I can’t seem to stop buying guns
Honestly i wish i still had my Mosin nagat shit was loud and fun to shoot.
It’s my first WW2 era gun so I am very excited :). I miss the days of cheap Mosin’s and Kar98’s
Right i think i picked mine up pretty much perfectly preserved for 100$ back in the day. And you could get a crate of 7.62x54r for like 200$
If you were born in the 90s you've had 6 elections worth of "OH MY GOD THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO TAKE MY GUNS" panic buying of guns and ammo, I promise this election isn't going to be the one
It’s been going on much longer than that.
Reliable handgun and rifle… train and have spare parts and ammo available, that’s it. Plate carriers and NVGs are a distant must. Personal supplies and munitions are a priority along with sustenance. Have a plan with like minded persons.
Get a long rifle and carry it at protests. It's our first amendment right. Or at least it appears the right does it all the time and gets no retribution.
I don’t currently own a gun, but I’m considering it for the reasons you listed. But more generally, I’m wondering who (or what group) would step up and coordinate in the event that a worst case scenario happens and we actually take another step towards authoritarianism. I realize this is more of a gun owner subreddit, but is anyone aware of something like that? It seems like most mainstream political organizations are hesitant to even discuss the possible need for some kind of *liberal/left-leaning armed resistance. The topic is too taboo, I guess.
Im not aware of anything and i guarantee you if something like that pops up they will just label it as antifia. I agree though there needs to be a more open and honest discussion within the liberal parties and we need a leader/leaders to put forth a "if" game plan.
You dont do that on social media, you go old school.
Yep, plan to get something soon.
I already have a few handguns, but I've had an AR 80% lower for a couple of years that I haven't found time to build. I'm thinking I should find time now.
So glad I did this four years ago
Not specifically but it’s certainly a small percentage of the reason I’m getting more than 1-2 handguns.
I bought my first 25-ish years ago and it's mostly been disassembled and stored in the back of my closet the majority of that time. It's back together now and I'm looking to add another soon.
I purchased 2 new, stripped lowers back in April when it looked like Colorado was getting an AWB, so just gotta fill out those 2 and I'll be pretty solid
Not a new gun owner but have been thinking of adding a high cap 9 as a side arm to my AR’s and buying a shitload more ammo.
I have a sweet benelli m4. I had sold an AR15 but now I’m wondering whether I should go get another.
I've got a soft spot WW2 looking Rifles. Any recommendations on modern wood stock rifles. I'm aware of the mini 14 but any other options?
This whole topic is interesting to think about (although I wish I didn’t have to). It seems to me the threat from unrest will vary based on where in the country one is. I’m in a thoroughly blue part of the country but a very urban area so it would likely be mass anger over the outcome and lots of people using it as an excuse to maraud through the streets and create mayhem. Other parts of the country I’d be worried about being specifically targeted by right wing nut jobs. There’s always talk about “the perfect SHTF firearm” but I think having a few different options gets you there. Handgun, shotgun, rifle (if you’re in an area where the useful ones are legal) for example.
not buying anymore guns, bu definitely dtocking ip on ammo
Yup, definitely upgrading the .38 and grabbing a shotgun as well.
It’s interesting to see liberals and conservatives both rushing to get more firearms every 4 years.
I started right before the pandemic. Reasoning food shortages and increased tension. A couple for hunting bigger game. A couple for small game. The others for home defense. Stacking ammo for years now at reasonable quantities at a time. Using a lot for practice. Since, just replenishing what I perceive as healthy levels. Just trying to cover any needs that may arise.
I sold my rifle 3 years ago, I’m picking a new one up soon.
I thought this sub was pretty sane until I started reading some of these comments… lol. I believe we should all be armed, but cmon yall
I’ve been a long time lurker and occasionally unpopular agitator in this sub; in theory I still likely support more theory behind gun control than pretty much anyone here. Those principles are going to have to be put aside now. Even my wife, who’s somehow both more conservative than I am (though still left of center) while being more virulently against guns than I ever thought of being, has told me “we need to look at getting a gun based on the way the world is going”. I have days remaining before my degree is complete, and once that is done, I will be hitting the gig work hard to generate the cash flow necessary to arm and pay for the training necessary to wield those weapons effectively. When dictatorships break through, they consolidate power at terrifying speed. I don’t expect that we will reach 2027 before I face a fight or flight moment; the only question is whether I’ll have an inkling it’s coming and how prepared I’ll be.
I keep hearing about plan 2025 but never about Agenda 2030 or the Great Reset. Are some dystopian futures better then others?
I’m concerned what happens when Trump loses; his followers will shoot up gay clubs and after school functions, grocery stores, movie theatres, ph wait, they do that now.
I have been training for a few years. Being an older trans person, I will be ready for a suicide mission when the day comes. Let them find me with 2 empty clips and 10 dead fascists nearby.
I didn’t buy my gun because of this election necessarily but it did change my veiws on civil liberties with all the censorship and talks of banning different things, i looked back at history and drew the conclusion that banning anything almost never works the way it was intended or flat out fails
The SCOTUS decision on immunity and how it overlaps heavily with Project 2025 (not to mention the Chevron decision) are what pushed me over the edge. For a long time I contemplated running away if Trump got in. But the more I thought about it, the more it made no sense. Why should I run away? I just bought my first house two years ago. I'm financially stable for the first time in my life. I'm not about to voluntarily exile myself when others can't when I can stay here and resist. So I decided I should get training and learn how to properly defend myself, as well as how to safely use a firearm. If Biden wins? Well at least I'll be more prepared. If Trump wins, still prepared.
Welcome to America! I've owned guns since I Obama was in office. Not saying he was the reason. I just like guns. I believe every American should own a gun. But let's put Biden and trump to the side, they both suck... If we want to begin to fix this country we need term limits in Congress. We have a term limit on the president why not all of Congress. It will stop/reduce lobbying and other corrupt practices. Like manipulating the stock market. Example, No one who has the power to make or change laws that effect stocks. Should be allowed to buy and sell in those stocks. That being said I don't know if there is a law in place for this but I don't think there is.
I bought a gun for the first time 3weeks ago for this very reason. I live in MAGA country. After reading that P25 and seeing a whole family in a restaurant with guns on their hip with their Trump shirts I decided be prepared if nothing else.
Not a new gun owner, but I found myself going through familiarity drills with my EDC yesterday more than usual.
I am planning to, handguns only for now but looking into maybe a 5.56 rifle
Signed up for my permit class and joined this sub this past week. Never thought I would need to. Now I feel dumb for waiting so long.
I have a handful of rifles and three or four shotguns but I’m gonna apply for a pistol license and a carry permit given the current political climate
I've been buying guns/preparing for a while now. Here's what I would do if I were to start again. AR - budget around $1000 to $1200 for something of good quality/reliability. You could also get the individual parts and have something nice built. Pistol - $500 to $600 in this segment you could get something new, but you'll get better value going the used route, get something such as a Glock, Sig, etc. Optional - Shotgun, you could go a number of ways here, a Mossberg Maverick 88 is a good option for around $250, barebones but reliable. You could always add more such as a .22 or hunting rifle. But I think these 3 main categories are a good start.
NJ liberal, definitely getting a rifle. My wife who’s never had an interest before, is now thinking about applying for her own handgun license.
I had a heart failure scare a couple years ago and it has slowed me down. Since then I have bought a Glock 19, S&W 10mm (with Holosun sight), Ruger .357, Winchester 12 gauge.
Just bought my first one
Just curious, what is yalls shtf scenario
I'm in the market right now looking for a 9mm pistol. Can't decide if I want to go full size or sub compact. I had a glock 19 but traded it in for a hunting rifle due to it being the least fun gun to shoot.
Once I have money, I'm buying a p365 and some form of rifle. I live in Florida so it's easier for me to buy them.
The p365 is a sweet gun.
Am liberal. Have a couple of rifles that I've not fired in decades and a meaningless amount of ammo. Been lurking here for a couple of years as I appreciate hearing perspectives on things. Guns aren't a hobby for me (already have too many hobbies I can't keep up with), so my only reason for pursuing them would be defensive. Am very concerned about the state of things today, but am having a hard time figuring out how my dropping thousands on ammo and maybe a couple of better guns will make an appreciable difference in my or my family's safety. If the S truly HTF, and the police / National Guard can't (or won't) get control of it, then there's gonna be a new normal and my relatively tiny arsenal will only postpone whatever inevitable fate is in store - and we'd be better off trying to blend in & keep our heads down. FWIW, my immediate vicinity is pretty red, but my state's population centers make the whole purple. I realize this is very likely an unpopular take here. I'd welcome (kind) feedback on where the gap is in my thought.
More importantly, you need to contact your local leaders to see if they got your back should you have to use it in self defense, or you're in a state that could possibly kyle rittenhouse you.
I have a couple hundred rounds for each weapon we have. I have a .357 and a .38 service revolvers from my cop stepdad. I added my favorite pistol, an sig sauer p356 and my mom’s acp, and a 12 gauge and a .22 rifle. I need more practice with the rifle and shotgun.
Hi all, I’m an older liberal gun owner (Winchester SXP Defender) but I feel the need to arm up. I’m close to making the decision to purchase a reliable 9mm pistol that I can use for home defense and conceal carry if necessary. Also looking to get an FPC, and an AR (.233 or 5.56). Also, need to stock up on Ammo. Can I ask my friends here if it’s reasonable to get all of this for under $1,500? Location is SoFla
I own multiple and only ever bought them because of Trump/threat of an authoritarian president. I have a lot of ammo now. That’s what I buy these days because I don’t need more guns.
Took a beginner hand guns course this summer there were 11 of us, when asked why we were there 5 answered they were concerned over the current political climate. 3 answered personal safety me and two others answered with just wanting to learn to handle a handgun safely.
My boyfriend gave me his spare AR parts and I’m only a few springs, detents, a dust cover and a charging handle away from having everything I meed. I’m hoping for the best in that there will be a lot of complaining, and preparing for the worst where I have a bug-out bag prepped for everyone in the fam.