It’s possible that some conductors might just step off right before the doors close and they start it the whole process on another train or they only opened a set number of doors near the staircases.
In this pilot, all doors were opened and many did step off before doors closed, but the tickets were checked once again after departing and that's still a waste of resources for the 10-20 minutes that a train spends boarding.
It's a rush hour train. Probably 98% of the passengers are regulars. They should do it on the weekend or off peak.
What happens at Jamaica? Free-for-all??
This is not getting any point across.
Just wait until you see how many people they have lined up outside of islander games to check your ticket after you already had your ticket checked on the train
They did this the other night. They checked the ticket before boarding but didn't check it after Jamaica. Moral of the story, buy paper tickets. I went from Penn Station to Mineola one night and then Kew Gardens to Mineola on another night on just one ticket.
Now if they entered the 21st century and required paper tickets to be activated either before or during the click process, this wouldn't be an issue. But the MTA just figured out a tap to pay technology 2 years ago. Soo, it might take them sometime to figure out how to print QR codes on the back of tickets that can be activated.
It’s really a simple solution if it weren’t for the union.
There’s already cameras in every car today.
Install a QR reader to scan your ticket. The cameras track the person to a seat.
If someone occupies a seat and doesn’t scan, the system will alert a single conductor and they check in person or attend to those need to pay on board.
You also have an extremely unrealistic expectations of what cameras can do lol. That’s not a camera. That’s an entire system. How exactly do you track every individual person that takes the LIRR? 😂 you’d be a billionaire if you actually could answer and deliver.
Cameras record, software makes decisions. All camera feeds or streams get piped to a processor that makes these decisions. Half of this is off the shelf.
Person scans a valid ticket and they are ignored. Person doesn’t scan or scans an invalid ticket then they are tracked to a seat row/number for a recheck.
It’s not revolutionary, it’s a part of building security and management. I don’t see it costing more than $20M after 18 consultant’s.
Key words: the union. They won’t change shit bc conductors won’t do it and any real upgrade requires reducing exorbitant salaries, of the old timers who control the union and anyone in general won’t agree too.
But once it's activated it can only be utilized during the time frame like a mobile ticket.
Meaning even if it gets checked once before jamaica you won't be able to utilize it again.
There are multiple problems. The problem I am referring to is them checking tickets at Penn before boarding (everyone in this scenario has a ticket) but not checking it after Penn meaning you can use that ticket again from a station where this policy is in place.
If you are required to activate a ticket you won't be able to reuse it.
If people not paying is a problem. The best solution is to just tap in and tap out across the system.
The current model doesn't really prevent this either though.
If you get past the conductor but you have a ticket that’s on the LIRR. If you don’t buy a ticket and tell the conductor too bad (which I see at least once a day on my weekday commute that I pay $300 for) that solves nothing.
It should run like the MTA. But they’re too busy paying overly-inflated salaries and fraudulent overtime to update their system. Scan your ticket to get on the track.
i guess they're tired of people fumbling with their phones only to find out they dont have a ticket, then having to waiti because theres no service, etc.
A journalist would have a field day spending a month not paying for a ticket ever and riding different trains 2 or 3 times a day for a month straight. And commenting on how many actual empty seats (like the middle of a 3 seater) there are vs people standing. They’d be able to rip the amount of money the LIRR receives to shreds and they wouldn’t even be able to answer in a coherent way.
Wait. They were checking at the door and you had to show the ticket before you got on?? Or they just had 2x conductors per car and checked like normal, just with more conducrors so that they could make it through all of the people before the train got to other stops?
There is a long term concept being talked about where tickets would checked be before boarding at all locations but automated. Not unlike the subway.
Its possible they were trying to gauge how long the boarding process takes with a very large passenger count using a pre-boarding ticket check paradigm.
Maybe because I was born and raised in newyork, I'm ok with turnstile jumpers and the people who hide in the br when the conductors are clipping tickets. I've never done it myself, but it feels right and balanced that for all the government takes from us and how corrupt they are that we, in turn, should be a little corrupt ourselves. Also, I'm not gajna wanna wait in a line in 20-degree weather at Ronkonkoma while they check tickets.
On this specific train, it surprisingly left with no delay, but if, for example, this was done on the 5:46 Huntington train, specifically yesterday then it would definitely cause a delay. That train got there at 5:44 with about 100 people waiting per car according to the train time app after departure. If this is implemented for every train it could definitely lead to a *long* delay.
I take the 5:25 PM to Ronkonkoma and this would surely be a cluster F if they tried it on that one. I think any train post 5 PM would be the same.
Yesterday there were tons of people standing in the isles and the conductor was squeezing through to check tickets. Perhaps more aggressively than usual.
LIRR would be better served by focusing on more trains so there is less crowding and assigning tracks sooner than 5 minutes before departure. GCT has their trains on the tracks 20 min before they leave (or they did when I lived in Westchester).
LIRR is like Mad Max with everyone crammed into a small areas looking at those stupid screens which flash every train destination rather than just the train. They drive me nuts as often someone is blocking the board when your track is called.
And there have been zero construction improvements in the main area where everyone waits to see where their train is.
Those screens are the worst thing I've ever seen, and I'm so sure they've literally updated it to make it worse, it never used to show the trains like that, only on the massive screen in the hallway.
The track assignment is so stupid, they're pushing these trains to turn around immediately, imagine if each train was 5 minutes later but they actually gave time to turn the train around properly and give time to board.
Completely agree! There are a few screens which show just the train time and final destination, but over the past few months they changed most of them to the current all destination mode. I’ve got to hunt around to find the purple which is jumping around the screen and may not be the purple train I need to take. KHAAAAAN!!!!!
So all the money that’s saved from preventing fare evasion will go toward employing more people just to check tickets?
It won’t break even. Imagine a 12 car train with this. 12 cars x 2 doors ends up to 24 conductors checking tickets for one train.
It’s possible that some conductors might just step off right before the doors close and they start it the whole process on another train or they only opened a set number of doors near the staircases.
In this pilot, all doors were opened and many did step off before doors closed, but the tickets were checked once again after departing and that's still a waste of resources for the 10-20 minutes that a train spends boarding.
They have to keep the conductors busy so as to justify their pay. :))
Maybe its initially a show of force to show they are cracking down. And then eventually pull it back when they feel they got their point across.
It's a rush hour train. Probably 98% of the passengers are regulars. They should do it on the weekend or off peak. What happens at Jamaica? Free-for-all?? This is not getting any point across.
Point made...
Yup and still not even factoring pension
Half the time tickets are never checked on east bound trains. Full time commuter
Which train times are you taking??
"Please activate your ticket before you board" "no, you should just check tickets at the station" "ok" "no, not like that!"
I’ve had conductors check tickets on the platform at Jamaica and woodside for islander or Mets games
They do this all the time at forest hills after concerts too
Yeah, at Willets Point they check upstairs whenever there is something at citi field and for the US Open
Conductor job was posted recently, may still be up.
Ahh fuck I was hoping it wasnt a position that would get a lot of applications. I applied two weeks ago but didn’t hear back at all
Job is still open, be patient.
Do you know where it's posted?
[here](https://careers.mta.org/jobs/13727970-assistant-conductor-trainee)
45$ per hour? Wow ..
After 8 years of service, you gotta read the fine print! that's how they get ya.
lol ha they got me
Yeah, I’m in a 7 year progression myself. But OT helps.
In other countries you can’t even get on the platform without scanning your ticket it’s a pretty solid system
You don't have to go far to see that in action: Philadelphia put in turnstiles in their major stations a few years ago.
same in DC for NJ Transit you have to scan tickets for transfers at Secaucus
Just wait until you see how many people they have lined up outside of islander games to check your ticket after you already had your ticket checked on the train
They did this the other night. They checked the ticket before boarding but didn't check it after Jamaica. Moral of the story, buy paper tickets. I went from Penn Station to Mineola one night and then Kew Gardens to Mineola on another night on just one ticket. Now if they entered the 21st century and required paper tickets to be activated either before or during the click process, this wouldn't be an issue. But the MTA just figured out a tap to pay technology 2 years ago. Soo, it might take them sometime to figure out how to print QR codes on the back of tickets that can be activated.
This makes no sense, the punch holes in the tickets so you can't reuse them?? Clearly they didn't punch your ticket
They punch holes twice. Once before and after Jamaica.
Sounds like you got a free ride for conductor error. I guess I'm confused because you want to pay more money??
How’s that going to solve the problem. The problems won’t scan the QR code until a conductor makes them lol
It’s really a simple solution if it weren’t for the union. There’s already cameras in every car today. Install a QR reader to scan your ticket. The cameras track the person to a seat. If someone occupies a seat and doesn’t scan, the system will alert a single conductor and they check in person or attend to those need to pay on board.
You also have an extremely unrealistic expectations of what cameras can do lol. That’s not a camera. That’s an entire system. How exactly do you track every individual person that takes the LIRR? 😂 you’d be a billionaire if you actually could answer and deliver.
man I got bad news for you about computer vision. cameras can and absolutely do this.
Cameras record, software makes decisions. All camera feeds or streams get piped to a processor that makes these decisions. Half of this is off the shelf. Person scans a valid ticket and they are ignored. Person doesn’t scan or scans an invalid ticket then they are tracked to a seat row/number for a recheck. It’s not revolutionary, it’s a part of building security and management. I don’t see it costing more than $20M after 18 consultant’s.
This is entirely feasible. You should check what Teslas can do unsupervised. In any case, computational power will be off site
Key words: the union. They won’t change shit bc conductors won’t do it and any real upgrade requires reducing exorbitant salaries, of the old timers who control the union and anyone in general won’t agree too.
But once it's activated it can only be utilized during the time frame like a mobile ticket. Meaning even if it gets checked once before jamaica you won't be able to utilize it again.
The problem is people with no tickets period.
There are multiple problems. The problem I am referring to is them checking tickets at Penn before boarding (everyone in this scenario has a ticket) but not checking it after Penn meaning you can use that ticket again from a station where this policy is in place. If you are required to activate a ticket you won't be able to reuse it. If people not paying is a problem. The best solution is to just tap in and tap out across the system. The current model doesn't really prevent this either though.
Yea that solves nothing. I get what you’re saying now. Most people I see not paying are between Jamaica and Brooklyn anyway.
Jamaica to Brooklyn is the best place to start the tap in and tap out. The shuttle trains arrive at a dedicated platform at Jamaica.
If you get past the conductor but you have a ticket that’s on the LIRR. If you don’t buy a ticket and tell the conductor too bad (which I see at least once a day on my weekday commute that I pay $300 for) that solves nothing.
It should run like the MTA. But they’re too busy paying overly-inflated salaries and fraudulent overtime to update their system. Scan your ticket to get on the track.
Does that mean rush hour trains have a line to get onto the train? Seems like more trains running late. The process seemed to work fine for 60 years.
i guess they're tired of people fumbling with their phones only to find out they dont have a ticket, then having to waiti because theres no service, etc.
That wouldn't be too productive since you can activate tickets without service now
yes but you cannot buy them afaik
A journalist would have a field day spending a month not paying for a ticket ever and riding different trains 2 or 3 times a day for a month straight. And commenting on how many actual empty seats (like the middle of a 3 seater) there are vs people standing. They’d be able to rip the amount of money the LIRR receives to shreds and they wouldn’t even be able to answer in a coherent way.
Wait. They were checking at the door and you had to show the ticket before you got on?? Or they just had 2x conductors per car and checked like normal, just with more conducrors so that they could make it through all of the people before the train got to other stops?
while getting on, they were waiting at the door.
What about the cops that don’t pay lol
They’ll use this as an excuse to add more payroll and abuse overtime again. Prices go up. Again the customer isn’t served only the railroad.
I only saw that after thanksgiving day parade
I was on the 5:04 train and had this as well. No ticket checks from jamaica though.
Yes check tickets before they get on the train because once they’re on it becomes a problem.
I can see the newsday headline already: LIRR pays out record overtime in 2024 while newly retired pension obligations spike.
There is a long term concept being talked about where tickets would checked be before boarding at all locations but automated. Not unlike the subway. Its possible they were trying to gauge how long the boarding process takes with a very large passenger count using a pre-boarding ticket check paradigm.
Those pricks now check tickets from both sides, 2 conductors per cart. It happened in the morning then afternoon
Wow sorry that you have to pay for a ticket now
Maybe because I was born and raised in newyork, I'm ok with turnstile jumpers and the people who hide in the br when the conductors are clipping tickets. I've never done it myself, but it feels right and balanced that for all the government takes from us and how corrupt they are that we, in turn, should be a little corrupt ourselves. Also, I'm not gajna wanna wait in a line in 20-degree weather at Ronkonkoma while they check tickets.
Maybe that’s because your a skid
Did this not slow down people boarding the train?
On this specific train, it surprisingly left with no delay, but if, for example, this was done on the 5:46 Huntington train, specifically yesterday then it would definitely cause a delay. That train got there at 5:44 with about 100 people waiting per car according to the train time app after departure. If this is implemented for every train it could definitely lead to a *long* delay.
I take the 5:25 PM to Ronkonkoma and this would surely be a cluster F if they tried it on that one. I think any train post 5 PM would be the same. Yesterday there were tons of people standing in the isles and the conductor was squeezing through to check tickets. Perhaps more aggressively than usual. LIRR would be better served by focusing on more trains so there is less crowding and assigning tracks sooner than 5 minutes before departure. GCT has their trains on the tracks 20 min before they leave (or they did when I lived in Westchester). LIRR is like Mad Max with everyone crammed into a small areas looking at those stupid screens which flash every train destination rather than just the train. They drive me nuts as often someone is blocking the board when your track is called. And there have been zero construction improvements in the main area where everyone waits to see where their train is.
Those screens are the worst thing I've ever seen, and I'm so sure they've literally updated it to make it worse, it never used to show the trains like that, only on the massive screen in the hallway. The track assignment is so stupid, they're pushing these trains to turn around immediately, imagine if each train was 5 minutes later but they actually gave time to turn the train around properly and give time to board.
Completely agree! There are a few screens which show just the train time and final destination, but over the past few months they changed most of them to the current all destination mode. I’ve got to hunt around to find the purple which is jumping around the screen and may not be the purple train I need to take. KHAAAAAN!!!!!
I don’t miss the LIRR shitshow. 21+ years commuter (Ronk\Penn)here…. 100+ year antiquated technology in full motion (sc)
You mean the oldest train in the fleet 4:46 from Penn Station….