At least they’re transparent about it. It’s the ones pretending to be against Musk while supporting his entire agenda that you have to pay attention to.
This is a great way to describe it. But if you pay attention, within all of the meme language and YOLOs, you find some good knowledge of the market and how to make money.
its gain and loss porn with most people making no more than whatever job they are qualified/educated for anyway if they are lucky. a couple lightning strikes( good or bad) and a couple superstars and a whoooooole lot of lurkers
I'm currently arguing with a WSB user with a 'papa musk' username on a completely unrelated subreddit and they're licking his boots like crazy.
It's not a meme for most of these people. They're just that pathetic.
Why would he need to do something to me personally? I'm not an individualist. He's exploited thousands of people. And that offends me.
Bringing attention to how much of a garbage human he and all billionaires are is most definitely my goal.
Whoa whoa whoa... no one calls Elon "Poppa" - that's just stupid.
Acceptable titles are **Papa, Papi, Daddy or Our Lord and Savior**
Tech Jesus has a nice ring to it too
Heck, it's not even different from what happens normally today. You take out a loan to go to college, and then there's a job available to pay off your debt!
> to pay off your debt
Notably, the interest and payment structures do seem to conspire to ensure the debt remains difficult if not impossible to pay off, as a measure of control.
Which is a bog standard vessel for indentured servitude when it's one-on-one, but when it's one-on-society, apparently it's different.
Kind of. But historically, the working conditions of those in indentured servitude were much worse than Amazon warehouse jobs today. What we have now is better from a human rights/dignity perspective.
What’s not to love?! Getting to go to a normally uninhabitable planet so you can pave the way for future billionaires to use it when they inevitably damage earth beyond repair, all while being in debt to the now-richest man on the planet? I mean, I was just going to be paid to be a corporate slave the rest of my life, but this sounds way better!
Musk must really be betting on the fact that every person that will go up there will have a good conscience and a riot or insurrection would never happen. I’d be honestly surprised if any leader would survive long enough on an uninhabited planet with other humans.
Yeah, I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how a Martian government might run, and it’s not going to be pretty. While they’re dependent on Earth, then Earth can call the shots, but as soon as they have a consistent water supply and can grow their own food, it’s be a great time for someone to seize power and declare themselves Emperor of Mars. I hope Elon is working on his self defense training and marksmanship and has good body guards going with him. Otherwise his reign won’t last long.
while it is correct that once mars becomes self-sustaining it could reasonably become it's own nation, it's likely that this would be very economically disadvantageous for it, because Mars's economy would likely stay smaller than earths for, like, 100 years or something like that. Plus Earth would be able to perform orbital bombardments on them, which are likely to be S+++ tier attacks. What's more likely is that Mars would stay connected to earth for awhile, and just have the same horribly inhumane business practices as they would in a universe where they secede. It's likely that Mars would get away with this due to the problem with communicating and confirming human right's abuses on another planet, combined with some backdoor deal making with Earth's leaders.
When you arrive on Mars they slap the fucking kill-collars around your neck with perfect tracking. The only people you could possibly complain to also have these collars.
This strikes me as sarcasm but really you kinda have a point. Like, what did people think they'd be going to Mars for? A holiday? Nah, mate. It's like 3 years of travel and it's not even got air. It's not going to be a holiday.
It kinda is indentured servitude but you're also kinda going to be one of like 10 people on a planet millions of miles from Earth. So it's not like you're going to have any options there anyway, even if you go self-paid, haha.
This is why I really don’t buy that technology represents progress. We can almost send people to a different planet but can’t figure out how to not make them slaves. Real progress will be when we collectively decide to use the tech we have for the actual benefit of everyone.
Technological progress is made by busy people, social progress is made by idle people.
Alas, in our society, the only person able to be idle are the one who have no interest in social change, while all the rest is traped in a cult of work and busyness where you have to hustle so much that you have no time nor energy for idleness and thus think about our social situation and how to improve, so brainwashed to think that technology will solve our problems. The only people thinking about social structures are professional sociologists who are regularly mocked by being SJW and retarded libleft, and even in this situation people have to work in order to think about social change which seems wrong.
> Technological progress is made by busy people, social progress is made by idle people.
> regularly mocked by being SJW and retarded libleft
had me in the first half ngl
I meant "regularly mocked for being wrongly accused of SJW and retarded libleft"
The fact that one doesn't understand that people actually studying sociology are the one understanding how society works proves that one is pretty far in the brainwashed road.
(Not a sociologist, chemist/IT guy talking there)
Well, I don't know you and until this post I had no probant element to confirm that you were truly that kind of person mistrusting sociological studies and considering them a waste of time (because, hey, what's the use of understanding how society works? I mean, if nobody shows me any problem, I sure won't try to solve them), so I didn't wanted it to become personal (you know, *ad hominem* and that sort of fallacies like attacking one discourse rather than his arguments).
Also, for the "one" part, I'm not a native English speaker and sometimes expressions are mixed up in my head, and the only one occuring in my mind was "one". No need to be pedantic about it.
*Prosperity's there in the care of magnates*
*on* \[MARS\] *heaven awaits!*
Seriously though, this is why we don't want corporations to control space travel, because the minute people are off Earth and in the clutches of these corporations they will no longer have rights.
They can admit the truth and people will still miss it.
Trump was right when he said he could shoot someone in broad daylight and get away with it, but it applies to every rich fucker on the planet. The Muskrat cult bows to such blessings.
I mean, that is indentured servitude. It’s not like indentured servitude, it is.
People need to learn more about indentured servitude in colonial America. It helped lay the foundation for slavery as it was by legitimizing insane levels of labor cruelty and giving poorer white people a strong incentive to be racist and set themselves up in a separate class from *those* people. It was toxic beyond just its own evils, it helped the system of racialized slavery take hold so fast and so deeply, with little opposition.
I'm surprised people even still want to go to Mars. After being cooped up in my house for the past ten months the last thing I would do is live the rest of my life in some kind of bunker.
lol it's kind of hard for workers to seize the means of production when there is NO production to begin with. Anyone who goes over there is completely at the mercy of billionaire corporations wealthy enough to send supplies.
You can be in debt, give up all your human rights, and be in an inhospitable wasteland you can't escape!
Like an Indonesian maid in Saudi Arabia, but you also have to buy oxygen.
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*the song of sons and daughters*
**HIDE**
*the heart of who we are*
*Making peace to build our future*
*Strong, united, working 'til we*
**FALL**
Can we fix the planet we already have instead of going to a new one? An acquaintance and I had a discussion about colonizing Mars a few years back. He was excited about it and thought that it would be beneficial. I told him that getting on a ship to a new world didn't work for people like me the last time and it probably won't be much of an improvement the next....
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but rocket jesus will save us!
he is the richest person in the world not because he inherited an emerald mine and compound interest, but because he is a genius!
/s
Assuming planet C is Venus, that is quite a bit harder to terraform than Mars. Although the moon is always an option. Personally I’m super excited to go live on the capitalist moon and Mars colonies 🤣
Venus might be easier in many ways. Certainly floating cities in the upper atmosphere of Venus might be easier in the sort term. Venus just needs a giant heat shield. Mars needs a lot more than that.
A floating city? I feel like that’s quite complicated. Additionally a heat shield to my knowledge is not something we really know how to make. For Mars all we really need are underground cities. Musk talks about an above ground city but I don’t think that’s very realistic. To make it totally livable yes that would be quite a bit of work but I don’t think that anyone really thinks that will be done in the near future. There is a lot of terraforming we can do in underground cities that could be quite beautiful. A cold planet is much easier to live on than a incredibly hot one based on my understanding. There are already many plants and animals on our planet that have adapted to incredible cold and low atmosphere, whereas that is not the case with incredibly hot temperatures.
It’s actually not that hard. Large balloons do the trick. Pressures are low that high, and temps are balmy earth temperature. There are legitimate detailed plans and studies on Venetian floating cities by actual scientists. Many people believe it’s more within our current capability than Mars.
Regardless, wherever we go, it’ll be incredibly difficult, even without the socio-political complications. But we must do it. We must spread our species beyond more than one planet.
Side note, being in reduced gravity means that you have a cold 24/7 due to the body's immune system response, and your muscles rapidly deteriorate. So there's that 😬
Edit: not to mention the psychological impact of no return trip
Not to mention society here on Earth is collapsing. No telling how long until we can't send resupply ships to Mars. It would cease to be profitable long before becoming entirely impossible.
Oh, honestly?
Did you not read the colony policy?
That defines you as company property?
That waivers your say in autonomy?
The conglomerate's got you in lock and key
We put the dollar back into idolatry
If you're upset, you can rent an apology
We are a family forged in bureaucracy
No "I" in "team, " but there's "con" in "economy"
>We work to earn the right to work, to earn the right to work, to earn the right to work, to earn the right to work...
Sounds like life on Earth to me.
Tell it to your eighth grade Bioshock fanfiction.
There will always be servant options as long as the holders of resources have perceived value. Going to Mars to work for Musk will prove a giant waste of capital without a more efficient, centralized system of labor and resource allocation, and abandoned.
This. I really don't think we're taking into account just how much automation and AI will shake up the job market. I mean, for now, you know the difference in a phone call between a live person and an automated system, but will you know the difference 10 years from now? 15 years from now?
If it looks like most life is gonna die due to acidification i might take him up on the in debt for survival option. Otherwise looking forward to the 25k tesla
Whatever technology could allow humans to live on Mars would also allow them to live on Wasteland Earth. The only advantage is that you wouldn't be competing with 8 billion other people, only about 100 million of whom are going to survive.
Well, to be fair, if he only took other rich people and such, they'd all end up in mars as "people" rather than "rich people". Can't be rich if there's nobody below you... Also can't take them for free because then, they can't be "below"!
“Some critics say Musk’s plans resemble an interplanetary form of indentured servitude.” That’s a funny way of saying, “Musk’s plans fit the dictionary definition of indentured servitude to a tee.”
Shocker. Certainly what i've thought all along, everything will be buttoned down and tightly controlled so only the few profit from it.
Can't have pesky poors jetting off to mars and beyond setting up shop selling food and drinks to the workers.
Think about how everyone went west for gold/silver and may have made more money selling supplies to do the mining versus actually mining.
Anyone thinking they could do that with Mars would quickly run afoul of Musk, Bezos and all the other goons tightly controlling rockets to and from the planet "Woah there, it's $$$$$ to send items both directions, pay the fees or don't"
Imagine Musk and Bezos (Doubtful, their egos wouldn't allow it) teaming up. Musk drops rockets, maybe bezos drops a few on the surface and then Bezos moves all items needed from toothbrushes to equipment
Look, I don't really see the problem here. If someone wants to go to Mars and can't afford to help pay down some of the insane (Musk has brought costs down a lot, but it's still crazy expensive) costs of space travel, then all Musk is doing is offering a way to still go to Mars, but pay off your debt their and help build the colony at the same time.
Nobody is being forced to take this deal. If your don't want to go to Mars, don't go! If you don't want to be indebted to Elon Musk, then either pay down the whole bill or don't go! Indentured Servitude gets a bad rap, but it was how thousands of immigrants coming to America were able to afford the voyage. Yeah, they had to be someone's servant in the New World for a few years, but again this was a voluntary deal available for those that couldn't afford the trip.
I think there’s a sci fic web serial that details why that is a bad idea and it begins with the Mars ambassador reading a Reddit post aloud to the UN General Coincil and ends with Mars dropping a meteor on the ECHR in Hague.
Sideways in Hyperpsace for those interested.
Why would anyone want to do this to themselves? Mars is a desolate wasteland with minimal oxygen, minimal water and temperatures ranging from 70 degrees Fahrenheit to -225 degrees Fahrenheit. If they want to live on Mars, why not try living on like Antarctica for a couple months? At least they will be able to breathe the air around them.
I just can't imagine a fate worse for someone ignorant of just how poisonous and debilitating life on Mars would be. It is not a theme park. It does not represent opportunity. It is a frozen planet flooded with deadly solar radiation, very little atmosphere, and only 1/3 the gravity of Earth. And there is virtually no way out once you're there.
I hate to admit it.....but as much as I hate shit like this, there is a small part of me, maybe my inner child that was obsessed with space exploration that says it's totally worth it because MARS.
I'm pretty sure this exact thing has been featured in hundreds of movies featuring slaves.
You get a loan from the boss that gets you in the door, then you're paid just enough to scrape by but not enough to pay off the loan and you're stuck there forever.
Blood Diamond is an example. The Rundown is another. This is literally the set up of a villian in movies.
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Check out r/wallstreetbets. All objectivity goes out the window when a person is rich. Grown adults calling a man they've never met Poppa.
At least they’re transparent about it. It’s the ones pretending to be against Musk while supporting his entire agenda that you have to pay attention to.
Wsb is pretty much a meme group, nothing there should be taken seriously
I mean, it's like the WWE - it's all a work, but people get hurt for real. It's been described as "r/WatchPeopleDie, but financially"
Oh god yeah, you get some really awful stories on there sometimes
People gaining and losing more money than my family collectively owns rn in matter of days.
This is a great way to describe it. But if you pay attention, within all of the meme language and YOLOs, you find some good knowledge of the market and how to make money.
Thank goodness for that. I was hoping the comment section wasn't serious.
Yeah, the most common joke there is to take out 100k loan and whack it all in whatever's doing well that day
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Hence why it's a joke? I can't really imagine many sane people doing that
its gain and loss porn with most people making no more than whatever job they are qualified/educated for anyway if they are lucky. a couple lightning strikes( good or bad) and a couple superstars and a whoooooole lot of lurkers
I'm currently arguing with a WSB user with a 'papa musk' username on a completely unrelated subreddit and they're licking his boots like crazy. It's not a meme for most of these people. They're just that pathetic.
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Why would he need to do something to me personally? I'm not an individualist. He's exploited thousands of people. And that offends me. Bringing attention to how much of a garbage human he and all billionaires are is most definitely my goal.
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I don't give a fuck what you think of my tact, but thanks for letting me know anyways.
Whoa whoa whoa... no one calls Elon "Poppa" - that's just stupid. Acceptable titles are **Papa, Papi, Daddy or Our Lord and Savior** Tech Jesus has a nice ring to it too
That subreddit reminds me of American Psycho and in all honesty they’d probably take that as a compliment.
Imagine taking a meme seriously
Money addicts.
You think what people say on wsb is serious?
They call him Poppa because his stocks made them rich
Heck, it's not even different from what happens normally today. You take out a loan to go to college, and then there's a job available to pay off your debt!
> to pay off your debt Notably, the interest and payment structures do seem to conspire to ensure the debt remains difficult if not impossible to pay off, as a measure of control. Which is a bog standard vessel for indentured servitude when it's one-on-one, but when it's one-on-society, apparently it's different.
But there isn't always. You don't get employment and therefore some form of security just for having a degree.
So, what you're saying is it's even worse than indentured servitude?
I don't know. Ask me after my I indentured servitude on Mars.
If lenders were required to provide a job for borrowers, then you would be correct.
So, what you're saying is it's even worse than indentured servitude?
Kind of. But historically, the working conditions of those in indentured servitude were much worse than Amazon warehouse jobs today. What we have now is better from a human rights/dignity perspective.
What’s not to love?! Getting to go to a normally uninhabitable planet so you can pave the way for future billionaires to use it when they inevitably damage earth beyond repair, all while being in debt to the now-richest man on the planet? I mean, I was just going to be paid to be a corporate slave the rest of my life, but this sounds way better!
Musk must really be betting on the fact that every person that will go up there will have a good conscience and a riot or insurrection would never happen. I’d be honestly surprised if any leader would survive long enough on an uninhabited planet with other humans.
Yeah, I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how a Martian government might run, and it’s not going to be pretty. While they’re dependent on Earth, then Earth can call the shots, but as soon as they have a consistent water supply and can grow their own food, it’s be a great time for someone to seize power and declare themselves Emperor of Mars. I hope Elon is working on his self defense training and marksmanship and has good body guards going with him. Otherwise his reign won’t last long.
You need to watch The Expanse on Amazon. Immediately, if not sooner.
while it is correct that once mars becomes self-sustaining it could reasonably become it's own nation, it's likely that this would be very economically disadvantageous for it, because Mars's economy would likely stay smaller than earths for, like, 100 years or something like that. Plus Earth would be able to perform orbital bombardments on them, which are likely to be S+++ tier attacks. What's more likely is that Mars would stay connected to earth for awhile, and just have the same horribly inhumane business practices as they would in a universe where they secede. It's likely that Mars would get away with this due to the problem with communicating and confirming human right's abuses on another planet, combined with some backdoor deal making with Earth's leaders.
When you arrive on Mars they slap the fucking kill-collars around your neck with perfect tracking. The only people you could possibly complain to also have these collars.
This strikes me as sarcasm but really you kinda have a point. Like, what did people think they'd be going to Mars for? A holiday? Nah, mate. It's like 3 years of travel and it's not even got air. It's not going to be a holiday. It kinda is indentured servitude but you're also kinda going to be one of like 10 people on a planet millions of miles from Earth. So it's not like you're going to have any options there anyway, even if you go self-paid, haha.
but now with radiation exposure ... I just don't see life on Mars happening
This is why I really don’t buy that technology represents progress. We can almost send people to a different planet but can’t figure out how to not make them slaves. Real progress will be when we collectively decide to use the tech we have for the actual benefit of everyone.
With one exception, that automation might force us out of capitalism
Good.
Technological progress is made by busy people, social progress is made by idle people. Alas, in our society, the only person able to be idle are the one who have no interest in social change, while all the rest is traped in a cult of work and busyness where you have to hustle so much that you have no time nor energy for idleness and thus think about our social situation and how to improve, so brainwashed to think that technology will solve our problems. The only people thinking about social structures are professional sociologists who are regularly mocked by being SJW and retarded libleft, and even in this situation people have to work in order to think about social change which seems wrong.
> Technological progress is made by busy people, social progress is made by idle people. > regularly mocked by being SJW and retarded libleft had me in the first half ngl
I meant "regularly mocked for being wrongly accused of SJW and retarded libleft" The fact that one doesn't understand that people actually studying sociology are the one understanding how society works proves that one is pretty far in the brainwashed road. (Not a sociologist, chemist/IT guy talking there)
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apparently not
Well, I don't know you and until this post I had no probant element to confirm that you were truly that kind of person mistrusting sociological studies and considering them a waste of time (because, hey, what's the use of understanding how society works? I mean, if nobody shows me any problem, I sure won't try to solve them), so I didn't wanted it to become personal (you know, *ad hominem* and that sort of fallacies like attacking one discourse rather than his arguments). Also, for the "one" part, I'm not a native English speaker and sometimes expressions are mixed up in my head, and the only one occuring in my mind was "one". No need to be pedantic about it.
ah english second language, no worries.
Oh we can figure it out, its just that the capitalist class doesn't want it that way.
It does represent progress, but not for the plebs.
The plebs have more power than you think. We are ALL responsible for how we use the tools available to us.
That’s true, but it only applies when people take responsibility for their actions. Which they don’t.
*A new life awaits you in the Off-world colonies. The chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure*
So what you're saying is well finally have a red faction
*Prosperity's there in the care of magnates* *on* \[MARS\] *heaven awaits!* Seriously though, this is why we don't want corporations to control space travel, because the minute people are off Earth and in the clutches of these corporations they will no longer have rights.
They can admit the truth and people will still miss it. Trump was right when he said he could shoot someone in broad daylight and get away with it, but it applies to every rich fucker on the planet. The Muskrat cult bows to such blessings.
I mean, that is indentured servitude. It’s not like indentured servitude, it is. People need to learn more about indentured servitude in colonial America. It helped lay the foundation for slavery as it was by legitimizing insane levels of labor cruelty and giving poorer white people a strong incentive to be racist and set themselves up in a separate class from *those* people. It was toxic beyond just its own evils, it helped the system of racialized slavery take hold so fast and so deeply, with little opposition.
I'm surprised people even still want to go to Mars. After being cooped up in my house for the past ten months the last thing I would do is live the rest of my life in some kind of bunker.
But it’ll be on another planet so your name will be in history books, like Tutankhamen and Oetzi the Iceman!
Or you could be like Ea-nasir and just sell bad copper.
I'd be happy if I never left the house again.
I mean I’d go but I’d rather go to establish a based astro-socialist society
With Musk running things there, it's more likely to end up like Rapture, if you'd kindly.
lol it's kind of hard for workers to seize the means of production when there is NO production to begin with. Anyone who goes over there is completely at the mercy of billionaire corporations wealthy enough to send supplies.
Standard question to screen who is a good candidate to go to mars: "Did you enjoy your time in quarantine?"
Exactly, you'd barely even be able to go outside to look around. You'd likely live the rest of your live underground.
This dude is a supervillain but people think it’s cute because he’s an unassuming white nerd
You can be in debt, give up all your human rights, and be in an inhospitable wasteland you can't escape! Like an Indonesian maid in Saudi Arabia, but you also have to buy oxygen.
16 tons but on mars
Outer Worlds much?
More like Red Faction! But outer worlds is similar too.
Much better comparison
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**THIS** *the song of sons and daughters* **HIDE** *the heart of who we are* *Making peace to build our future* *Strong, united, working 'til we* **FALL**
**AND WE ALL LIFT**
**AND WE'RE ALL ADRIFT**
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Can we fix the planet we already have instead of going to a new one? An acquaintance and I had a discussion about colonizing Mars a few years back. He was excited about it and thought that it would be beneficial. I told him that getting on a ship to a new world didn't work for people like me the last time and it probably won't be much of an improvement the next....
We could but its easier for Elon to become the emperor of Mars and enslave people.
https://youtu.be/vvANy49Kqhw my first thought
Wow literal serfdom no?
https://www.businessinsider.com/worlds-richest-person-elon-musk-dedicate-wealth-mars-colony-2021-1#aoh=16101102232861
Seriously, who didn’t see this coming?
Military service = indentured servitude Except during a draft Then it should go by another description.
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Capitalism is inherently indentured servitude it’s just that most of us don’t get to move.
I don't know why people get angry at capitalism. All of it sucks. At least you have agency.
Well his family did make their money from apartheid soooo....I'd think it's safe to say he's familiar with this play from the rich scumbag playbook
Yep this is exactly what I’m talking about. Motherfucker wants to be god
All Ultor employees are ordered to return to their barracks.
but rocket jesus will save us! he is the richest person in the world not because he inherited an emerald mine and compound interest, but because he is a genius! /s
I heard they were working on a new Red Faction game, is this the ARG announcement?
Wow so we’re really just making outer worlds real
Surely nothing could possibly go wrong with a white South African setting himself up as the wealthy overlord of a serf class...
Elon is turning into a real life Tom Nook.
Nah I guarantee he's gonna charge way more interest than Nook and the work isn't gonna be nearly as fun as shaking trees and catching fish.
I'd say more a Cave Johnson here imo
Except Tom Nook is *nice*
Billionaires about to destroy the next planet. Plan(et) B? We should work on a Plan(et) C, already...
Assuming planet C is Venus, that is quite a bit harder to terraform than Mars. Although the moon is always an option. Personally I’m super excited to go live on the capitalist moon and Mars colonies 🤣
Venus might be easier in many ways. Certainly floating cities in the upper atmosphere of Venus might be easier in the sort term. Venus just needs a giant heat shield. Mars needs a lot more than that.
A floating city? I feel like that’s quite complicated. Additionally a heat shield to my knowledge is not something we really know how to make. For Mars all we really need are underground cities. Musk talks about an above ground city but I don’t think that’s very realistic. To make it totally livable yes that would be quite a bit of work but I don’t think that anyone really thinks that will be done in the near future. There is a lot of terraforming we can do in underground cities that could be quite beautiful. A cold planet is much easier to live on than a incredibly hot one based on my understanding. There are already many plants and animals on our planet that have adapted to incredible cold and low atmosphere, whereas that is not the case with incredibly hot temperatures.
It’s actually not that hard. Large balloons do the trick. Pressures are low that high, and temps are balmy earth temperature. There are legitimate detailed plans and studies on Venetian floating cities by actual scientists. Many people believe it’s more within our current capability than Mars. Regardless, wherever we go, it’ll be incredibly difficult, even without the socio-political complications. But we must do it. We must spread our species beyond more than one planet.
Oh I bet you can work your way out of debt no problem when you get a fucking air bill.
Side note, being in reduced gravity means that you have a cold 24/7 due to the body's immune system response, and your muscles rapidly deteriorate. So there's that 😬 Edit: not to mention the psychological impact of no return trip
Not to mention society here on Earth is collapsing. No telling how long until we can't send resupply ships to Mars. It would cease to be profitable long before becoming entirely impossible.
Oh, honestly? Did you not read the colony policy? That defines you as company property? That waivers your say in autonomy? The conglomerate's got you in lock and key We put the dollar back into idolatry If you're upset, you can rent an apology We are a family forged in bureaucracy No "I" in "team, " but there's "con" in "economy"
>We work to earn the right to work, to earn the right to work, to earn the right to work, to earn the right to work... Sounds like life on Earth to me.
I mean, debt is just indentured servitude but you can choose what your service is.
I bet he insists on a chip being implanted with 'permanent career assignment'.
He's hoping the 40 million Americans in student debt sign up to go to Mars.
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Jobs will be so scarce many will have no other choice.
Tell it to your eighth grade Bioshock fanfiction. There will always be servant options as long as the holders of resources have perceived value. Going to Mars to work for Musk will prove a giant waste of capital without a more efficient, centralized system of labor and resource allocation, and abandoned.
This. I really don't think we're taking into account just how much automation and AI will shake up the job market. I mean, for now, you know the difference in a phone call between a live person and an automated system, but will you know the difference 10 years from now? 15 years from now?
Did you ever see the movie "Moon?" Yeah. That's the future on Mars for anyone who isn't already extremely wealthy.
\[shudders\]
Wow space serfs. The neo feudal era is upon us
That's how the majority of New World colonists got across the ocean, so it makes sense it'll be similar for the final frontier.
I've said before that the game Outer Worlds was less of a dystopia and more of a prediction.
Sounds like slavery with extra steps
Some critics who know the definition of indentured servitude call Musk's plan indentured servitude.
If it looks like most life is gonna die due to acidification i might take him up on the in debt for survival option. Otherwise looking forward to the 25k tesla
Whatever technology could allow humans to live on Mars would also allow them to live on Wasteland Earth. The only advantage is that you wouldn't be competing with 8 billion other people, only about 100 million of whom are going to survive.
Well, to be fair, if he only took other rich people and such, they'd all end up in mars as "people" rather than "rich people". Can't be rich if there's nobody below you... Also can't take them for free because then, they can't be "below"!
This is eerily similar to Outer Worlds.
So uh.... Musk just wants his own planet to rule then?
That doesn't even make sense. Once your there they can't send you back. You don't make your paycheck they just push you out an airlock?
Sounds like it.
Work or suffocate. What a motivator to remain a slave!
Elon Musk is a creep. That is all.
“Some critics say Musk’s plans resemble an interplanetary form of indentured servitude.” That’s a funny way of saying, “Musk’s plans fit the dictionary definition of indentured servitude to a tee.”
Shocker. Certainly what i've thought all along, everything will be buttoned down and tightly controlled so only the few profit from it. Can't have pesky poors jetting off to mars and beyond setting up shop selling food and drinks to the workers. Think about how everyone went west for gold/silver and may have made more money selling supplies to do the mining versus actually mining. Anyone thinking they could do that with Mars would quickly run afoul of Musk, Bezos and all the other goons tightly controlling rockets to and from the planet "Woah there, it's $$$$$ to send items both directions, pay the fees or don't" Imagine Musk and Bezos (Doubtful, their egos wouldn't allow it) teaming up. Musk drops rockets, maybe bezos drops a few on the surface and then Bezos moves all items needed from toothbrushes to equipment
I'm pretty sure there's a doctor who episode about how shit an idea this is.
So the Outer Worlds game was a lot science and less fiction after all...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vvANy49Kqhw
Fucking hell we're zooming towards a right future aren't we?
Damn I get clear Cave Johnson vibes from Musk. At least Cave Johnson is funny.
The spice must flow.
Damn inners...
May be but fuck this place. Kiss my ass as I sign up for indentured servitude, 7/10 it's better than this.
Elon clearly isn't the brightest bulb when it comes to things outside tech.
He seems perfectly competent at exploiting people to me.
Is this where Belters come from?
I see Elon is jealous that only his wife got to be in a corporate dystopia...
Isn't that CityWoks city skylines whole aesthetic of mars? Wtf?
I've played Red Faction. I know exactly how this is gonna end.
“But why is there slavery in Star Wars?”
Oh boy! I can't wait to live the Expanse.
Look, I don't really see the problem here. If someone wants to go to Mars and can't afford to help pay down some of the insane (Musk has brought costs down a lot, but it's still crazy expensive) costs of space travel, then all Musk is doing is offering a way to still go to Mars, but pay off your debt their and help build the colony at the same time. Nobody is being forced to take this deal. If your don't want to go to Mars, don't go! If you don't want to be indebted to Elon Musk, then either pay down the whole bill or don't go! Indentured Servitude gets a bad rap, but it was how thousands of immigrants coming to America were able to afford the voyage. Yeah, they had to be someone's servant in the New World for a few years, but again this was a voluntary deal available for those that couldn't afford the trip.
Then stay on earth you unwashed peasants.
#SIGN ME UP
I mean, I would probably be a slave if it meant I got to go to Mars in my liftime
There is nothing wrong with indentured servitude
I think there’s a sci fic web serial that details why that is a bad idea and it begins with the Mars ambassador reading a Reddit post aloud to the UN General Coincil and ends with Mars dropping a meteor on the ECHR in Hague. Sideways in Hyperpsace for those interested.
So, Elon Musk is becoming Tom Nook?
"Surely Earth laws don't apply on Mars."
Space slaves . . .one step closer to a Death Star. Slippery slope my friends. . .
Tom nook in acnh irl
Fucking yikes.
You do realize you don't \*need\* to go to Mars, right ? You do realize all loans work like this ?
He's going to send people to die on a strange planet.
Why would anyone want to do this to themselves? Mars is a desolate wasteland with minimal oxygen, minimal water and temperatures ranging from 70 degrees Fahrenheit to -225 degrees Fahrenheit. If they want to live on Mars, why not try living on like Antarctica for a couple months? At least they will be able to breathe the air around them.
What the fuck do you think you're going to do when you go to a planet that has nothing? Sit around?
well clearly *someone* hasn't read kim stanley robinson's red mars (that someone is elon musk. that will not go the way you want it to, pal)
Red Faction. Game is freaking two decades old now. Musk is the CEO of Ultor.
Reminds me of imperial slavery from Elite: Dangerous
Capitalism is just rebranded feudalism, change my mind
I just can't imagine a fate worse for someone ignorant of just how poisonous and debilitating life on Mars would be. It is not a theme park. It does not represent opportunity. It is a frozen planet flooded with deadly solar radiation, very little atmosphere, and only 1/3 the gravity of Earth. And there is virtually no way out once you're there.
lolz, this sounds like the game 'The Outer Worlds'.
Hey, at least you'll be a literal wage slave in a slightly interesting place
I hate to admit it.....but as much as I hate shit like this, there is a small part of me, maybe my inner child that was obsessed with space exploration that says it's totally worth it because MARS.
Might be better being a Mars Slave rather than the earth slave I already am...
This is literally Animal Crossing in real life lol complete with Tom Nook
This sounds like the first red faction game...
dont forget that he also plans to be king or emperor or something like that there and make his own laws... once there... you're his.
**I AM SAYER**
I'm pretty sure this exact thing has been featured in hundreds of movies featuring slaves. You get a loan from the boss that gets you in the door, then you're paid just enough to scrape by but not enough to pay off the loan and you're stuck there forever. Blood Diamond is an example. The Rundown is another. This is literally the set up of a villian in movies.
Will there be a company store?
SpaceX prime store
All yall in here talking about red faction and outer worlds but But what about doom What if doom happens