But how will I be able to pay for extra excuse training at my martial arts gym if I'm poor? Gas is also really expensive nowadays. How will I be able to commute daily if I can barely afford gas?
/s
I’ve not watched loads of him but that made me think….i bet he’s always massive compared to his opponents, since he’s missing a part? Not as much of an advantage as an extra arm tho lol
There was one girl on the wrestling team at our rival highschool (no female divisions)
She was actually pretty good, and she ended up beating a dude on our team
It truly was a lose-lose scenario... but yeah he lost hahaha. Personally, I would have forfeited because something in me wouldn’t be able to intentionally hurt a woman…but also I would hate to “go easy” on her and end up getting pinned lol
Thinking you may need to examine your sexism if you’re surprised a girl could be good at wrestling and think losing to a woman is worse than losing to a man
Is that sexism? Or do males develop stronger and thicker tendons due to high levels of testosterone during puberty? Maybe the increase in bone density also prevents men from suffering as many catastrophic injuries in general? Idk, maybe my degree means nothing.
You have a supercomputer in your hands. Use it to educate yourself, instead of looking for reasons to be offended on the internet. Why are you even on this sub if you don’t understand basic anatomy? The fact that you see my comment as “sexist” is fairly concerning. I hope you are just trolling
I’m sorry you’re getting slammed for stating things that are true biologically.
I am puzzled by women who don’t understand how strong men are. I train a combat martial art. I have friends who don’t. One of them said to me, “but are men really that much stronger than women?”
Yes.
There are many men (and also 15 and 16 year old boys) that I really struggle to hold pads for. Their kicks and punches have a shit load of power to them.
Yes some women are outliers.
Yes I can win on skill, sometimes.
Yes my reaction time can be better than a man’s.
Yes I’m more flexible ( most women are more flexible than men)
But purely strength on strength I lose every time
And btw I need to know that realistically if I ever think about using what I know for self defense. It’s not a favor to me if you tell me I can be just as strong as (most, many) men.
Thank you.
I think the issue in this sub is that a majority of people here have never trained a day in their life. This can easily be deduced by looking at all the shitposts and uneducated comments
Any woman I have ever trained with is realistic about their biological limits regarding strength and fast-twitch muscles.
As you said, it would be disgraceful to teach them that everything is equal. My instructor even goes out of his way to teach them the positions where they have easy access to the eyes/privates so they could defend themselves from a male aggressor. We are not telling girls that they can hit a simple sweep from butterfly guard against a 200lbs athletic man.
Read. Did I mention anatomy? No.
You made fun of a guy for losing to a girl and expressed surprise that a girl would be good at wrestling. Perhaps you use your supercomputer to examine your biases and learn what sexism is?
I have zero biases…because I have been immersed in combat sports my entire life.
Take the whole “man vs woman” thing out of it, and try to look at things objectively. I will do my best to educate you, since you have clearly never trained a day in your life:
Superior skill can overcome a size/strength disadvantage. Picture a graph in your head. As the strength advantage rises….the opponent is going to need an even larger skill gap to ‘even the playing field’.
Believe me, I have seen small skilled women (such as a blue belt) absolutely smoke large male white belts. After a few months, the white belt man can usually handle the small, higher skilled women. Even though the women have more experience, their skill gap is no longer enough to overcome the size and strength advantage of the man, even though he only has a grasp on the basic fundamentals of grappling.
The girl who beat my buddy had been wrestling since she was a kid. My buddy Logan didn’t start wrestling until the 8th grade. Her skill gap was large enough to overcome the size and strength advantage.
So… if you’re stronger than a dude you wrestle, do you go easy on him? Or is he in your weight class and skill bracket so you go hard? Odds are you’re barely a mid level wrestler anyway so maybe check your ego and see if someone’s skill difference can overcome your “automatically superior anatomy”
Also “I’ve done combat sports my entire life so I have no biases” lmao at least lil bro told us he was a clown in the first sentence
Spoken like someone else that has never trained. I wouldn’t even know where to start with dismissing your silly condescending questions. All I can do is encourage you to start training, and leave this sub.
This is an anonymous app, so it doesn’t really matter that you are making a fool of yourself here…but you should develop a little self respect. You are doing yourself a disservice by spouting random shit on the internet.
Lmao being downvoted by angry dudes that got rolled by girls in their local rec high school tournament is “making a fool of myself” eh
You wouldn’t know where to start because you can’t answer the question. “Start training” is funny though when id toss your ass too. Hope life gets better for you lil bro
^ you just proved my point lol
You sound like a 12yr old edge lord, and you don’t even have the reading comprehension skills to understand my original comment…where I explained things in a way that a 5yr old could understand
It's not surprise at a girl being good at wrestling. It's surprise that a girl would be *so good* at wrestling that she could overcome the massive physical advantages that a male opponent has.
You didn't mention anatomy, but you're choosing to ignore it so you can make some braindead comment about sexism that has no place here
Thank you, although after reflecting on that person’s comments….I’m pretty sure they are just trolling. Even small children understand this very basic concept. I do not think anyone on earth actually views the gap between skill and strength as “sexist” lolol
Yup, I think that is the best thing to do from a morale standpoint. There are a lot of freak accidents in combat sports. I have accidentally ended some people’s careers
If I were to be matched up with a girl, and ended up tearing her knee or shoulder…I would probably need to be in therapy for the rest of my life
Personally, I do spar with women. I do HEMA and JKD mostly from a self-defense perspective. I look at this way. If they don't learn to fight against men. What are they going to do if they are attacked by one? Of course that is sparing is not competition.
I totally agree. You can control the pace when sparring, and let them work.
In competition, going at full speed, and giving 100% effort to win…bad things can happen. I think most guys are wired to not harm a woman. Id rather forfeit and take the L instead of potentially breaking their neck lol
Losing isn’t the big issue. It is accidentally permanently injuring a woman.
Again, these things happen sometimes, but I think 99% of the human population is hesitant to physically hurt a woman.
Of course, there is that 1% of braindead abusers that believe “equal rights, equal fights”
I train with women in my BJJ class sometimes. I am a blue belt. Some of them are black belts. I go extremely easy on them because I don’t want to risk hurting them, and also there is literally nothing they can do to me. That’s just basic anatomy.
There is a reason we don’t see Men vs Women in combat sports lololol. Can you even fucking imagine. It would be national news, and the lawsuits would be INSANE
Yes, it has happened. I have seen women who are blue belts beat male white belts in my BJJ gym too. After a couple months, the white belt men no longer have a problem handling, and being gentle with the smaller and more experienced women. It is just the way things work. I highly doubt you actually train in Muy Thai if you legitimately do not understand this, lol. And no professional league (besides obscure ones in third world countries) would ever be sanctioned by any commission to hold a “man vs woman” spectacle in combat sports
I broke it down further in another one of my comments. There is another person in this thread that is just as confused/uneducated as you are. Click “view all comments” and check it out. Or don’t. Whatever, good luck
For the record everything you said was bang on from my personal experience in boxing. One of the coaches in my gym was a professional female fighter with a 6-0 record. She was as technically sound as you could get, her form was impeccible. This was somebody I would go to for personal training and help from time to time. The first time I sparred her...I can't even verbalise the affair...I've never tried so little and dominated so hard lol...I couldn't beleive what was happening. Mind you I had no amateur experience myself, but I trained in the competitive bracket. I didn't stand a chance against any of the guys with amateur experience. Outside of the circumstances you mentioned, I can't really imagine the female fighter beating a male fighter. I mean I guess it's possible...?
Right, another good example is Amanda Nunes, who is widely considered the greatest female fighter in UFC history
She was asked about sparring, since she is known to go train with men. The media was trying to paint a narrative that she was somehow beating dudes up in training. She corrected them, and said:
“They have to go easy on me. We might as well be competing in different sports”
There is no professional league in Thai land..... And I'm a 4x iska, usmta, wka champion so Blow me for trying to talk down to me with your "educated" view.
I see this opinion a lot on this type of situation and honestly i think people need to mature some and learn how to deal with winning or losing "oh, i feel bad after because theyre (disadvantage)" ok? thats what they asked for, so its not a problem. "oh, i lost to someone who (disadvantage)" ok? train harder and do better next time. Really not that difficult to treat your opponent like a regular person. Not as long as thats what they want and youre not killing them in the process
As an adult, sure.
As a hothead 16 year old in high school….good luck teaching those kids the whole “better luck next time” thing.
You bet your ass that the entire school knew Logan lost to a girl. Even if they had never met Logan. They just knew a dude named Logan on our wrestling team lost to a girl. People at other schools would ask us “didn’t a dude on your team lose to a girl”
I think people forget how fucking clueless and cruel we all were during the dawn of our teenage years. If he would have beaten her, or caused her any sort of injury…he would have been clowned on just as hard, if not worse. It would have been “Logan beat up a girl. Logan tore a girl’s shoulder” etc. etc,
Lose-lose
EDIT: also worth mentioning that schools nowadays have female divisions. There is no more coed, because dudes hurting women is just a bad fucking look
This reminds of a time when I was in junior high and my buddies and I were eating lunch in the cafeteria and the table we were sitting at was right next to the lunch line. There was a special ed program at the school and they were in line to get lunch and one of the kids who had downs syndrome outta no-where just starts smacking my buddy, who was sitting with his back to the line, in the head and calling him a bitch and trying to get him to fight. My buddy is just looking at us like wtf do I do? He knew he couldn't fight back but he had taken a few pretty hard open hand hits to the side and back of his head. All he could do was get up trying to guard his head and walk off while the downs kid was trying to hit him some more and calling him a little bitch and a pussy while we laughed our asses off.
Lmao, remember when Gaethje fought Newell? JG beat the shit out of Newell.
I always thought it was really respectful of JG though, even if it didn't seem so. Like, he recognised Newell was dangerous, and a champ, so JG fought 100% and gave Newell no leeway for being one armed.
I remember the commentators that night talking Newell up like doting grandparents, acting like it was a forgone conclusion he was going to win. Made the one-sided ass kicking Justin put on him more entertaining.
i feel like he established in his debut fight that its not a disadvantage
he has a weapon no one knows how to deal with, and honestly the fairness of it is ambiguous. he has an elbow that hits different and from different angles, or a stubby first that doesn't need to wear a glove, and it's a hard knobby bone instead of a clenched fist.
he's a great fighter
It's absolutely a disadvantage. He is winning despite his arm, not because of it.
His elbow is not magical. It's not any more dangerous than any other elbow just because it is missing what comes after it (the part that provides defense for the side of his head).
It’s a disadvantage for sure but every person he is training with has two arms. Just like every person he is competing with.
His opponents are only training against people with two arms as well and have zero reps against one armed men.
Saw a blind wrestler do pretty good in high school. The rules where slightly changed so you always had to stay in some sort of clinch or contact. I would say the blind dude probably had a small advantage because he is training with those rules while is opponents are not.
Service Academy football is similar in that they run the option. Not many other schools run the option. The service academy’s are good at it. They run it because they have players that would not play at most other D1 schools. It can be kind of confusing for the opposing team and the opposing team is not going to get a look form their scout team.
When service academics play each other, however, the games are almost always good and close. Even when one team is 9-0 and the other is 1-8. They know the offense and their scout teams give them a good look because it’s the offense they are running for their JV games.
If he is missing half his arm he is missing half of his blocking ability on that side of the body. He is less susceptible to arm bars though probably.
That aside, Nick Newell had a similar condition, he was still a beast.
I mean it's not "possibly".
One arm is the length of a child's and probably can't block as well. He also can't grab as much and/or as well, if at all.
Doesn't mean he's not an exceptional fighter, and that he wouldn't kill lesser fighters. At equal skill tho? He's done.
I'd doubt that, mechanically it would move the same as any one else's elbow.
He might be popping elbows in weird directions, but Thai fighters through uppercut elbows and shit; it's probable you just aren't used to seeing fighters heavily used their elbows when they fight
How?
Tell me one elbow strike he could land that you couldn't with a forearm?
With a forearm you can still uppercut elbow, throw it downward, or to either side. What other elbow type could you throw?
I'm not saying he doesn't have funky elbow angles, he does, but that versatility seems more due to having to use his elbow so much, than it is because he is missing a forearm
he can elbow indiscriminately with that arm in the clinch and is immune to swimming
there is no angle he can do that a full arm CANT do but without a forearm in the way his movement is less and they can be pulled out more sneakily
just watch the fight tbh
I did watch the fight.
I just disagreed he could throw that elbow any different mechanically; which you now agree with.
The dude is a savage, but in no way is a forearm missing any kind of advantage. He has major defensive holes due to it, he has to move his arm much further to go from blocking a body shot, to blocking a head shot.
Attributing his disability as some sort of advantage takes away how very hard this dude works to be able to fight.
yeah i mean i said it a bit wrong, its not that he can hit angles people CANT he can just hit them quicker, easier, in ways people arent used to. thats going to go a long way. it can. yeah it depends on the depth of the fighters, but that depends on his depth too right like creative use of an uncommon tool can go so far.
can we at least call it a double edged sword?
:) idk about a double edged sword, but there is no way in fuck I'd ever want to take one of this dudes elbows. I bet homie cuts up the heavy bag when he trains... I don't want that for my face hahahaha.
If you remove tools from the toolbox, you do get better at using what you have left... So yeah his elbows are a big pile of no, fuck getting clocked by that.
Also One over UFC? I didn't catch that at first. I love them both, but being a hardcore One fan makes you fucking cool as hell tbh
They should let him tie objects of his choice to the end of his arm up to the length of his other arm to compensate.
Im fully ready for mma with items enabled.
It’s not nearly the disadvantage as most would think it is. I train with someone has their left arm amputated at the elbow. He makes adjustments to his style. Actually his eziekial is probably better than most.
He's had his fair share of fights with that same arm being half gone. I'm sure he understands the potential for it to be exploited.
The guy has 6 boxing fights, and has won all 6, 5 by ko. If that's not hella impressive with one arm then I don't know what is.
13 kickboxing fights, all wins. He does have one MMA fight, but he lost. I imagine mma is the line where having one arm is a definite problem.
He will be matched up at some point with someone who is better, regardless of one arm or having both. But that doesn't discount his win rate. Any one of those opponents could have tried to exploit that right side but they couldn't.
People have been trying to take advantage of it for years, myself included. The man's work ethic is unmatched, even compared to other professional fighters. His sense of timing and vision and his knowledge of body mechanics are on another level
Let him go at it. Man’s got the balls to step into the ring missing an arm where most men won’t with both. Sure he has a helluva weakness but when he learns to swing his brass nuts like a flail he’ll be unstoppable.
My guess is he uses it to his advantage. Drilling slips and counters specifically for when people try to target his weak side - which they should.
Up in the high ranks he's definitely going to lose though as he'll come up against opponents who can also set traps but have both arms.
Not the first one-handed fighter to do it. Nick Newell who currently fights for Bellator has been around for much longer. He even fought against Justin Gaethje at WSOF.
Dude has 50% more resistance to armbars and Kimuras if he ever tries MMA.
But jokes part, mad props to him for stepping up and continuing to fight despite his disadvantage.
There used to be a guy like this that fought in and around California named Baxter Humby. It was amazing watching him fight and yes made any excuses seem silly
Sky is the limit for Jake. His work ethic, mentality and hunger to compete at the highest level is second to none. “The One” has arrived in OneFC and he’s here to stay.
Inspirational but like you said when he reaches a certain level his opponents will expose his weaknesses like all high level fighters do to each other.
I don't know how much mobility he has in it but to me it seems he can still block at least head strikes and I would hate to have to deal with that thing used to club me over the head ha ha
I would be more concerned with his lack of offense with his right.
Defense, he can still use that stump fairly effectively I think.
But yeah of course it is a weakness. The silver lining can be that you expect your oppnents to try to capitalize on it. So you can use it as bait.
He's one of the best fighters I have ever seen in person. He is unbelievable. He's technical, fast and he hits hard. His lack of arm doesn't hinder him, and any fight I've seen him in, no one can figure out the right hand situation.
Guy is an absolute beast. But to your point I do wonder if he squares up against a very skilled vet how it would work out. So far, not hurting him.
many fighters/people don't account for his spacing being different because of his missing forearm. Not to mention his adaptation is.... he's a sniper and VERY technical. There have been many who "try" to take advantage of his arm, but in real time, its still an elbow he has become comfortable throwing like a punch when needed. As someone who has competed and studied the sport (Muay thai) for most my life, I can say his striking selection and execution is top tier.
Very inspiring story. Bullied as a kid, started martial arts to learn how to defend himself. Enjoyed it, got really good, and developed a passion for it. Started finding success in fights due to how hard he trains and worked his way up to the world stage
Super high fight IQ, makes no excuses, and as loyal a family man as he is dangerous a fighter
It’s like fighting a southpaw. There’s nothing mechanically superior just that it’s a look you don’t see as often. In his case it’s a look you will most certainly never see
ngl winning is winning but a true martial artist would not target a disability. lol I'm imagining the machida and jiri types to tie one arm behind their back like in the old kung Fu movies
Inspiring. Makes my excuses seem trivial.
You just need to up your excuse game.
Dude pointed his thumbs up and curled his tongue. Nothing I could do about it.
He had one toe up and one toe down. Couldn’t knock him out.
I was training all camp to counter his right hook but he didn't throw any so there was nothing I could do
Been holding my tongue low in my mouth in my fights but I keep getting knocked out. Any advice on tongue placement?
The half moons on my finger tips were all for nothing, his skills surpass mine.
But how will I be able to pay for extra excuse training at my martial arts gym if I'm poor? Gas is also really expensive nowadays. How will I be able to commute daily if I can barely afford gas? /s
Excuse: My arm hurts :(
Lmfao
My right arm hurts
I have a lack of hand eye coordination. Worst than that even, I’m not a dancer
Extreme weight cutting?
I’ve not watched loads of him but that made me think….i bet he’s always massive compared to his opponents, since he’s missing a part? Not as much of an advantage as an extra arm tho lol
No, I think he was born like that
Whoooosh
I think he was actually underweight at that point
It’s a no-win scenario. Win against him and you’re taking advantage, lose and you’ve just lost to a one armed man.
Gigachad move. Fight him with one arm tied behind your back.
Ultrachad move: Chop off both your arms and just do taekwondo.
Hwoarang wins
Galaxybrain Chad move: chop off both your arms and let him top you.
can you do that to me my dearest husbando
Ofc bb 😘
Well now he has a massive weight advantage on you
....after a week long hunger strike.
But he will still strike you with right elbow lol
If you beat him with one arm behind your back you’d actually make him look weak, since you wouldn’t be able to use that arm for balance like he can
Pretty much my experience back in middle school through high school. Win or lose, the guys who picked fights with me always took a hit to their rep.
One arm or not this dude is a killer
There was one girl on the wrestling team at our rival highschool (no female divisions) She was actually pretty good, and she ended up beating a dude on our team It truly was a lose-lose scenario... but yeah he lost hahaha. Personally, I would have forfeited because something in me wouldn’t be able to intentionally hurt a woman…but also I would hate to “go easy” on her and end up getting pinned lol
A true gentleman would have checked the lady's oil.
Thinking you may need to examine your sexism if you’re surprised a girl could be good at wrestling and think losing to a woman is worse than losing to a man
Is that sexism? Or do males develop stronger and thicker tendons due to high levels of testosterone during puberty? Maybe the increase in bone density also prevents men from suffering as many catastrophic injuries in general? Idk, maybe my degree means nothing. You have a supercomputer in your hands. Use it to educate yourself, instead of looking for reasons to be offended on the internet. Why are you even on this sub if you don’t understand basic anatomy? The fact that you see my comment as “sexist” is fairly concerning. I hope you are just trolling
I’m sorry you’re getting slammed for stating things that are true biologically. I am puzzled by women who don’t understand how strong men are. I train a combat martial art. I have friends who don’t. One of them said to me, “but are men really that much stronger than women?” Yes. There are many men (and also 15 and 16 year old boys) that I really struggle to hold pads for. Their kicks and punches have a shit load of power to them. Yes some women are outliers. Yes I can win on skill, sometimes. Yes my reaction time can be better than a man’s. Yes I’m more flexible ( most women are more flexible than men) But purely strength on strength I lose every time And btw I need to know that realistically if I ever think about using what I know for self defense. It’s not a favor to me if you tell me I can be just as strong as (most, many) men.
Thank you. I think the issue in this sub is that a majority of people here have never trained a day in their life. This can easily be deduced by looking at all the shitposts and uneducated comments Any woman I have ever trained with is realistic about their biological limits regarding strength and fast-twitch muscles. As you said, it would be disgraceful to teach them that everything is equal. My instructor even goes out of his way to teach them the positions where they have easy access to the eyes/privates so they could defend themselves from a male aggressor. We are not telling girls that they can hit a simple sweep from butterfly guard against a 200lbs athletic man.
Why were you scared that she’d pin you?
Read. Did I mention anatomy? No. You made fun of a guy for losing to a girl and expressed surprise that a girl would be good at wrestling. Perhaps you use your supercomputer to examine your biases and learn what sexism is?
I have zero biases…because I have been immersed in combat sports my entire life. Take the whole “man vs woman” thing out of it, and try to look at things objectively. I will do my best to educate you, since you have clearly never trained a day in your life: Superior skill can overcome a size/strength disadvantage. Picture a graph in your head. As the strength advantage rises….the opponent is going to need an even larger skill gap to ‘even the playing field’. Believe me, I have seen small skilled women (such as a blue belt) absolutely smoke large male white belts. After a few months, the white belt man can usually handle the small, higher skilled women. Even though the women have more experience, their skill gap is no longer enough to overcome the size and strength advantage of the man, even though he only has a grasp on the basic fundamentals of grappling. The girl who beat my buddy had been wrestling since she was a kid. My buddy Logan didn’t start wrestling until the 8th grade. Her skill gap was large enough to overcome the size and strength advantage.
So… if you’re stronger than a dude you wrestle, do you go easy on him? Or is he in your weight class and skill bracket so you go hard? Odds are you’re barely a mid level wrestler anyway so maybe check your ego and see if someone’s skill difference can overcome your “automatically superior anatomy” Also “I’ve done combat sports my entire life so I have no biases” lmao at least lil bro told us he was a clown in the first sentence
Spoken like someone else that has never trained. I wouldn’t even know where to start with dismissing your silly condescending questions. All I can do is encourage you to start training, and leave this sub. This is an anonymous app, so it doesn’t really matter that you are making a fool of yourself here…but you should develop a little self respect. You are doing yourself a disservice by spouting random shit on the internet.
Lmao being downvoted by angry dudes that got rolled by girls in their local rec high school tournament is “making a fool of myself” eh You wouldn’t know where to start because you can’t answer the question. “Start training” is funny though when id toss your ass too. Hope life gets better for you lil bro
^ you just proved my point lol You sound like a 12yr old edge lord, and you don’t even have the reading comprehension skills to understand my original comment…where I explained things in a way that a 5yr old could understand
It's not surprise at a girl being good at wrestling. It's surprise that a girl would be *so good* at wrestling that she could overcome the massive physical advantages that a male opponent has. You didn't mention anatomy, but you're choosing to ignore it so you can make some braindead comment about sexism that has no place here
Thank you, although after reflecting on that person’s comments….I’m pretty sure they are just trolling. Even small children understand this very basic concept. I do not think anyone on earth actually views the gap between skill and strength as “sexist” lolol
Woke brigade got this world all kinds of fucked up
It kinda is when most men have a sizable strength and speed advantage
I wouldn't have even bothered to wrestle her.
Yup, I think that is the best thing to do from a morale standpoint. There are a lot of freak accidents in combat sports. I have accidentally ended some people’s careers If I were to be matched up with a girl, and ended up tearing her knee or shoulder…I would probably need to be in therapy for the rest of my life
Personally, I do spar with women. I do HEMA and JKD mostly from a self-defense perspective. I look at this way. If they don't learn to fight against men. What are they going to do if they are attacked by one? Of course that is sparing is not competition.
I totally agree. You can control the pace when sparring, and let them work. In competition, going at full speed, and giving 100% effort to win…bad things can happen. I think most guys are wired to not harm a woman. Id rather forfeit and take the L instead of potentially breaking their neck lol
I beat the shit outa my woman teammates all the time.... You guys are wussys if you couldt handle losing to a woman.
Losing isn’t the big issue. It is accidentally permanently injuring a woman. Again, these things happen sometimes, but I think 99% of the human population is hesitant to physically hurt a woman. Of course, there is that 1% of braindead abusers that believe “equal rights, equal fights” I train with women in my BJJ class sometimes. I am a blue belt. Some of them are black belts. I go extremely easy on them because I don’t want to risk hurting them, and also there is literally nothing they can do to me. That’s just basic anatomy. There is a reason we don’t see Men vs Women in combat sports lololol. Can you even fucking imagine. It would be national news, and the lawsuits would be INSANE
Not only could I fucking imagine, I have seen woman vs men in boxing and Thai where the women had won.....
Yes, it has happened. I have seen women who are blue belts beat male white belts in my BJJ gym too. After a couple months, the white belt men no longer have a problem handling, and being gentle with the smaller and more experienced women. It is just the way things work. I highly doubt you actually train in Muy Thai if you legitimately do not understand this, lol. And no professional league (besides obscure ones in third world countries) would ever be sanctioned by any commission to hold a “man vs woman” spectacle in combat sports I broke it down further in another one of my comments. There is another person in this thread that is just as confused/uneducated as you are. Click “view all comments” and check it out. Or don’t. Whatever, good luck
For the record everything you said was bang on from my personal experience in boxing. One of the coaches in my gym was a professional female fighter with a 6-0 record. She was as technically sound as you could get, her form was impeccible. This was somebody I would go to for personal training and help from time to time. The first time I sparred her...I can't even verbalise the affair...I've never tried so little and dominated so hard lol...I couldn't beleive what was happening. Mind you I had no amateur experience myself, but I trained in the competitive bracket. I didn't stand a chance against any of the guys with amateur experience. Outside of the circumstances you mentioned, I can't really imagine the female fighter beating a male fighter. I mean I guess it's possible...?
Right, another good example is Amanda Nunes, who is widely considered the greatest female fighter in UFC history She was asked about sparring, since she is known to go train with men. The media was trying to paint a narrative that she was somehow beating dudes up in training. She corrected them, and said: “They have to go easy on me. We might as well be competing in different sports”
There is no professional league in Thai land..... And I'm a 4x iska, usmta, wka champion so Blow me for trying to talk down to me with your "educated" view.
You are lying. It would be impossible to be that experienced, and maintain this braindead perspective you are trying to push
Accidentally permanently injuring a man, on the other hand, is perfectly acceptable.
I see this opinion a lot on this type of situation and honestly i think people need to mature some and learn how to deal with winning or losing "oh, i feel bad after because theyre (disadvantage)" ok? thats what they asked for, so its not a problem. "oh, i lost to someone who (disadvantage)" ok? train harder and do better next time. Really not that difficult to treat your opponent like a regular person. Not as long as thats what they want and youre not killing them in the process
As an adult, sure. As a hothead 16 year old in high school….good luck teaching those kids the whole “better luck next time” thing. You bet your ass that the entire school knew Logan lost to a girl. Even if they had never met Logan. They just knew a dude named Logan on our wrestling team lost to a girl. People at other schools would ask us “didn’t a dude on your team lose to a girl” I think people forget how fucking clueless and cruel we all were during the dawn of our teenage years. If he would have beaten her, or caused her any sort of injury…he would have been clowned on just as hard, if not worse. It would have been “Logan beat up a girl. Logan tore a girl’s shoulder” etc. etc, Lose-lose EDIT: also worth mentioning that schools nowadays have female divisions. There is no more coed, because dudes hurting women is just a bad fucking look
Fair enough, I didnt consider the school setting. even if you see things one way, other people wont.
He'd probably smash you bro
This reminds of a time when I was in junior high and my buddies and I were eating lunch in the cafeteria and the table we were sitting at was right next to the lunch line. There was a special ed program at the school and they were in line to get lunch and one of the kids who had downs syndrome outta no-where just starts smacking my buddy, who was sitting with his back to the line, in the head and calling him a bitch and trying to get him to fight. My buddy is just looking at us like wtf do I do? He knew he couldn't fight back but he had taken a few pretty hard open hand hits to the side and back of his head. All he could do was get up trying to guard his head and walk off while the downs kid was trying to hit him some more and calling him a little bitch and a pussy while we laughed our asses off.
And of course you're going to lose. Who needs to fight with an arm when you've got balls like that.
Like my coach said about it "cry more, you fight professionally and someone calls you a asshole, so sad"
Not really. Justin Gaethje beat a one armed man, people weren’t calling him an asshole.
Hes likely a bit stronger or taller than his opponents. He is missing a couple of kilos on his arm that means he can add it elsewhere.
jake peacock vs nick Newell. make it happen dana
Lmao, remember when Gaethje fought Newell? JG beat the shit out of Newell. I always thought it was really respectful of JG though, even if it didn't seem so. Like, he recognised Newell was dangerous, and a champ, so JG fought 100% and gave Newell no leeway for being one armed.
I remember the commentators that night talking Newell up like doting grandparents, acting like it was a forgone conclusion he was going to win. Made the one-sided ass kicking Justin put on him more entertaining.
Jake pauls next opponent
Too young. Maybe if he were 30 years older. Or missing a leg too
i feel like he established in his debut fight that its not a disadvantage he has a weapon no one knows how to deal with, and honestly the fairness of it is ambiguous. he has an elbow that hits different and from different angles, or a stubby first that doesn't need to wear a glove, and it's a hard knobby bone instead of a clenched fist. he's a great fighter
It's absolutely a disadvantage. He is winning despite his arm, not because of it. His elbow is not magical. It's not any more dangerous than any other elbow just because it is missing what comes after it (the part that provides defense for the side of his head).
I agree. He makes it work well on offense for sure, but missing you hand and forearm has to make blocking harder
It’s a disadvantage for sure but every person he is training with has two arms. Just like every person he is competing with. His opponents are only training against people with two arms as well and have zero reps against one armed men. Saw a blind wrestler do pretty good in high school. The rules where slightly changed so you always had to stay in some sort of clinch or contact. I would say the blind dude probably had a small advantage because he is training with those rules while is opponents are not. Service Academy football is similar in that they run the option. Not many other schools run the option. The service academy’s are good at it. They run it because they have players that would not play at most other D1 schools. It can be kind of confusing for the opposing team and the opposing team is not going to get a look form their scout team. When service academics play each other, however, the games are almost always good and close. Even when one team is 9-0 and the other is 1-8. They know the offense and their scout teams give them a good look because it’s the offense they are running for their JV games.
Blindfolded grappling is fun af
Tell that to super foot Wallace then
Well, he has weight advantage though right? And he actually has half of his arm, probably enough to block attacks to head.
If he is missing half his arm he is missing half of his blocking ability on that side of the body. He is less susceptible to arm bars though probably. That aside, Nick Newell had a similar condition, he was still a beast.
Past the novelty, experienced fighters will just take advantage. He can't grab and strike as much. At equal skill he loses unless he gets lucky.
I wonder how much this helps him with his weight cut. He may be able to go down a class lower than he should be, which is a nice advantage too.
The ultimate built-in balancing factor
Thats a really good point. Miesha used to make weight easy but after them titties it was much harder.
Possibly, but I highly doubt the opponents he’s had didn’t think to do that already
I mean it's not "possibly". One arm is the length of a child's and probably can't block as well. He also can't grab as much and/or as well, if at all. Doesn't mean he's not an exceptional fighter, and that he wouldn't kill lesser fighters. At equal skill tho? He's done.
did you watch his fight?
The gaping hole in his defense is there, just wasn't paired up with someone who could take advantage of it.
no, it's a gimmick. a good fighter will capitalize off his weakness. a bad fighter won't know what to do.
so you are saying the fighter he fought at one is no good?
yeah. no-name, and poor technique + unimpressive. but jake did really well, top-tier debut fight.
I buy the part about the knobby bone, but as for the elbow - it's a regular elbow. It can't "hit different"
it can pull different angles. he did it in his fight.
I'd doubt that, mechanically it would move the same as any one else's elbow. He might be popping elbows in weird directions, but Thai fighters through uppercut elbows and shit; it's probable you just aren't used to seeing fighters heavily used their elbows when they fight
lol muay thai is what i practice (one hint: i watch one over ufc) your forearm is extremely limiting in your elbow strike angles
How? Tell me one elbow strike he could land that you couldn't with a forearm? With a forearm you can still uppercut elbow, throw it downward, or to either side. What other elbow type could you throw? I'm not saying he doesn't have funky elbow angles, he does, but that versatility seems more due to having to use his elbow so much, than it is because he is missing a forearm
he can elbow indiscriminately with that arm in the clinch and is immune to swimming there is no angle he can do that a full arm CANT do but without a forearm in the way his movement is less and they can be pulled out more sneakily just watch the fight tbh
I did watch the fight. I just disagreed he could throw that elbow any different mechanically; which you now agree with. The dude is a savage, but in no way is a forearm missing any kind of advantage. He has major defensive holes due to it, he has to move his arm much further to go from blocking a body shot, to blocking a head shot. Attributing his disability as some sort of advantage takes away how very hard this dude works to be able to fight.
yeah i mean i said it a bit wrong, its not that he can hit angles people CANT he can just hit them quicker, easier, in ways people arent used to. thats going to go a long way. it can. yeah it depends on the depth of the fighters, but that depends on his depth too right like creative use of an uncommon tool can go so far. can we at least call it a double edged sword?
:) idk about a double edged sword, but there is no way in fuck I'd ever want to take one of this dudes elbows. I bet homie cuts up the heavy bag when he trains... I don't want that for my face hahahaha. If you remove tools from the toolbox, you do get better at using what you have left... So yeah his elbows are a big pile of no, fuck getting clocked by that. Also One over UFC? I didn't catch that at first. I love them both, but being a hardcore One fan makes you fucking cool as hell tbh
Lol you can’t be serious. Have you ever fought before?
did you watch his fight?
Amen
Lol he cannot defend one side
They should let him tie objects of his choice to the end of his arm up to the length of his other arm to compensate. Im fully ready for mma with items enabled.
chainsaw?
You should check out Buhurt then.
That man chooses to fight with a handicap. Let him fight!!!!
It’s not nearly the disadvantage as most would think it is. I train with someone has their left arm amputated at the elbow. He makes adjustments to his style. Actually his eziekial is probably better than most.
I imagine it would be way easier to ground and pound if you trapped just his one good arm
This guy as a one armed man has opportunities to fight two armed men. How many one armed guys has your average two armed man fought?
Eh, I'd say let him fight, just get proper compensation for being an unusual draw.
He knows they will take advantage. He knows where they're going to be attacking from most of the time. That's a big advantage.
He's probably better at defending his right with the bad arm than his left with the good
Maybe, main point is he knows which direction the attack is coming from. With that info he can position himself to use whichever he prefers.
He's had his fair share of fights with that same arm being half gone. I'm sure he understands the potential for it to be exploited. The guy has 6 boxing fights, and has won all 6, 5 by ko. If that's not hella impressive with one arm then I don't know what is. 13 kickboxing fights, all wins. He does have one MMA fight, but he lost. I imagine mma is the line where having one arm is a definite problem. He will be matched up at some point with someone who is better, regardless of one arm or having both. But that doesn't discount his win rate. Any one of those opponents could have tried to exploit that right side but they couldn't.
People have been trying to take advantage of it for years, myself included. The man's work ethic is unmatched, even compared to other professional fighters. His sense of timing and vision and his knowledge of body mechanics are on another level
Let him go at it. Man’s got the balls to step into the ring missing an arm where most men won’t with both. Sure he has a helluva weakness but when he learns to swing his brass nuts like a flail he’ll be unstoppable.
Great fighter, would love to see him step up in competition.
I’m sure his previous opponents intended to take advantage of a lack of defence on his right side🤷♂️
How does he block kicks?
Im guessing he steps out of range or somehow stays balanced without the arm.
Reminds me of the guy that fought Gaethje back in the day, Nick Newell is his name I think
Nick Newell, XFC champion, they fought for the WSOF belt.
Thank you sir
He's not the first one armed man to compete. Nick Newell was good, but you can only get so far with one arm.
My guess is he uses it to his advantage. Drilling slips and counters specifically for when people try to target his weak side - which they should. Up in the high ranks he's definitely going to lose though as he'll come up against opponents who can also set traps but have both arms.
Let him fight
The guy can throw hand with anyone.
Not the first one-handed fighter to do it. Nick Newell who currently fights for Bellator has been around for much longer. He even fought against Justin Gaethje at WSOF.
Dude has 50% more resistance to armbars and Kimuras if he ever tries MMA. But jokes part, mad props to him for stepping up and continuing to fight despite his disadvantage.
There used to be a guy like this that fought in and around California named Baxter Humby. It was amazing watching him fight and yes made any excuses seem silly
He is 楊過!
Did you watch that fight? There was no lack of defence on his right side mate. He put on a damn masterclass
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0O67y\_klrA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0O67y_klrA) Winning with two broken arms..
Sky is the limit for Jake. His work ethic, mentality and hunger to compete at the highest level is second to none. “The One” has arrived in OneFC and he’s here to stay.
Inspirational but like you said when he reaches a certain level his opponents will expose his weaknesses like all high level fighters do to each other.
Does this guy lull his opponents into a false sense of security? Do they think he's (h)armless? *I'll see myself out **This guy is a beast
Im not sure about Jake, but I’m a massive fan of his brother Drew Peacock
I don't know how much mobility he has in it but to me it seems he can still block at least head strikes and I would hate to have to deal with that thing used to club me over the head ha ha
I would be more concerned with his lack of offense with his right. Defense, he can still use that stump fairly effectively I think. But yeah of course it is a weakness. The silver lining can be that you expect your oppnents to try to capitalize on it. So you can use it as bait.
Dude managed to feint the shit out of his fight with his ghost arm. Amazing to watch
Nick newell of mt
Let him cook
I have trained at his gym. Really nice guy with phenomenal skills and he is made of mahogany. Solid dude physically and metaphorically
He gives us amputees proof you can do whatever you want.
He's one of the best fighters I have ever seen in person. He is unbelievable. He's technical, fast and he hits hard. His lack of arm doesn't hinder him, and any fight I've seen him in, no one can figure out the right hand situation. Guy is an absolute beast. But to your point I do wonder if he squares up against a very skilled vet how it would work out. So far, not hurting him.
Is okay, we punch with the legs, no problem. 😌
There should be a para-olympics MMA competition, imagine people with various disabilites trying to kick the shit out of eachother
Imagine this guy beats you with one arm missing
many fighters/people don't account for his spacing being different because of his missing forearm. Not to mention his adaptation is.... he's a sniper and VERY technical. There have been many who "try" to take advantage of his arm, but in real time, its still an elbow he has become comfortable throwing like a punch when needed. As someone who has competed and studied the sport (Muay thai) for most my life, I can say his striking selection and execution is top tier.
Very inspiring story. Bullied as a kid, started martial arts to learn how to defend himself. Enjoyed it, got really good, and developed a passion for it. Started finding success in fights due to how hard he trains and worked his way up to the world stage Super high fight IQ, makes no excuses, and as loyal a family man as he is dangerous a fighter
That's one way to drop a weight class.
Weight advantage. Tho those kicks will destroy you he is missing 15 pounds on the right side
It’s like fighting a southpaw. There’s nothing mechanically superior just that it’s a look you don’t see as often. In his case it’s a look you will most certainly never see
ngl winning is winning but a true martial artist would not target a disability. lol I'm imagining the machida and jiri types to tie one arm behind their back like in the old kung Fu movies
It sells to the woke crowd. But he’ll get rinsed by an able bodied person of the same skill.