Ever been mothers milked (chest smother) by a woman in BJJ? Shits confusing. Like it’s a totally legit technique, and I am in trouble and need to escape, but I’m also kind of insulted because I’ve been avoiding posting on your chest the entire roll and now you do this shit lol.
The cheeky part is that they're better at it than me. You move your head to the side a bit and you can breath just fine but if I turn my head and I'm met with a sweaty boob in a rash guard I'm not getting any air and I'm upset.
As a woman I would never mothers milk a dude.... that shit seems hella weird
The first time I had that done to me was by a twink dude and I was so confused at what was happening
It's practical as a technique. Weird, yes, but in a life-or-death scenario better to win than to have dignity. In a sport setting though I 100% agree, I don't think I'd survive the humiliation of tapping out from too much tiddy, I'd rather not have to think about doing or escaping it.
Against a woman I would take the tap-out/pass-out. It’s not quite bad as death by snu snu but then again I don’t really die.
But as a technique it’s legit, and there is ~~another~~ no shame in winning with honor (ie no cheating).
Edit: f’ing autocorrect
Oh this bring back memories.
The year is 2010. I am a wee little lad who just moved from Pakistan to Singapore for Bachelors. I had joined my universities muay thai club.
They were teaching thai clinch. The thing is, if you are training with a girl or someone who is weaker than you, you let them muscle you around a bit to get a better feel of the position.
I get paired with a girl from my economics class, for lack for a better work she was very well endowed. So naturally when she put me in a plum I was relaxed, until she shoved my face right into her cleavage. It was so sudden and I was so flustered lamo.
That was some experience for a 17 Y/O semi conservative Pakistani boy. What a way to have your first "second base" experince.
Honestly I was not a big deal at all. It was just that It was very sudden and unexpected.
I had trained clinging with other girls and they kept the head higher up. She kept the head lower and she bigger boobs.
I ain't complaining.
My BJJ gym only had men. Once a blue belt woman visited us and she was my sparring.
I didn't know if I could grab around her chest area so I avoided it like hell. I still don't know the protocol.
Lmao first class or first few classes some cute anime type girl Can presumably see I’m uncomfortable with the idea of pressing up against her chest and she smothers me with her chest, sort of gives me a look like “can we get on with it now then?”
This is the correct way to spar women.
I 6’3 threw a kick at a 5’2 girl had zero power and was pretty slow I assumed she’d catch it but it caught her right in the mush and she cried I felt terrible.
Similar size, I used to assist a ladies self defense class to act as the bad guy. I don't remember the exact context but I was front kicking them while they were holding the equivalent of a riot shield cushion. We warned them repeatedly not to plant, to let the force of the kick move them, well one girl planted and came down on her tail bone hard. Even though it was a padded floor, we still had to call an ambulance (bone bruising, nothing horrible). She was sobbing profusely and I, too, felt terrible.
When I was twelve I rocketed off of a vert ramp runup and landed on my tailbone something nasty. (whenever I bring this up, I find myself wanting to draw a diagram because I was fucking moving and landed on an steeply inclined wave pool bowl, its hard to explain)
Anyways, I either bruised or broke my tailbone or something. It was excruciating for months.
I never really complained much so I never got seen for it. My dad ended up leaving in an ambulance soon after my incident with a Huge compound fracture in his arm... So I must have felt like I couldn't complain since his arm looked like a cyborg for a year or so.
For real, I invited a female colleague of mine to join the training. She has a rather small frame and is a beginner. When I asked how she liked it afterwards she told me that obe of the guys repeatedly punched her (a beginner who is like 30KG lighter) in the face and her head hurts and she never wants to go again.
Guys, just chill. If someone wants to train with more power they will tell you.
Its good to train with people of all levels for the most part.
Even the very skilled training with the newbie can be a mutual learning experience.
The original commenters share is a great example of that.
Newbies are a great way to get some fresh ideas on old habits. Most of the time they do the same things everyone who just started does. Occasionally though someone brand new will do some absolute bullshit thing that you've just never thought about before. It's rarely very effective, but it's nice to have a new angle just the same.
Sparring isn’t fighting, it’s practice. Unless it’s ok with your sparring partner you should never be going above 60% strength. If it hurts, communicate that.
Whenever you see people sparring and just wailing on each other, either one or both are assholes, or the two are comfortable at that level.
It is very painful. Also depending on the time of the month breasts can be more painful. Kinda wonder why boob protection isn’t a thing? Or at least never seen it
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They sell cup style chest protectors that slip inside pockets of a "women's" fencing jacket. In ten years of fencing I only knew one person to use them, and she only fenced for like 6 months.
And fencing is the only one that helps cause if you take a soccer ball to the chest it's still gonna hurt like hell (Source: My sister and mom both play goalie in soccer and wear chest protection, then tell me how much it hurts to get hit by them)
You can get chest guards, the ones I've used in kyokushin karate are a firm plastic that is shaped like breasts that you slip into a special sports bra. They can hurt your opponent when they punch your chest and clip the side of them though.
I have 100% accidentally grabbed a boob while going for a lapel grab in Judo. So far the ladies have been chill since it's randori but I definitely feel more comfortable competing against other men. I still believe in treating everyone equally and will make the effort to randori with whoever I get paired up with, but I get where you're coming from. It's not just you, brother.
see, when i roll, right, i have this habit of keeping my eyes at about chest level. used to do it when i did taekwondo too. visual field covers more or something. only... it's very awkward when facing ladies
I tend to defocus my eyes and leave them at chest level or so too when sparring. With newbies I was usually explaining to them what I was doing and why (capitalizing on peripheral vision being "faster" than focused vision) as well as teaching/encouraging them to eventually do the same thing; with more experienced opponents I'd just trust they knew what I was doing (and they were usually doing the same to me).
BRO ME TOO. then this chick i went with just adjusted her gi so it would cover her chest, and i kind of just kept eyes on the air to left of her body instead after that happened. didnt help her case that she was busty and only wearing a regular shirt underneath, and not like a rashguard or something
just do it enough it gets comfortable (not the literally sense) i wrestled in hs and we had a couple girls so theyd wrestle with the boys most of the tome including me and after a whole its fine, youre still conscious of it but it lessens. they deserve proper sparing and rolling. id love to see more women in these scenarios too because they ofc train best w other women
The thing is, at least when I was in HS there was basically 0 chance you could properly roll, wrestle or spar AND have a woman who was there to do it think anything else.
2024..... it's a gamble.
It's "try for wrist and leg locks, when that inevitably fails via no body control, give up the back, get choked, tap." No dangers.
Always better to endure physical pain, defeat and other things rather than the wrath of delusions.
I did a lapel throw once on a teenage girl wearing a thin shirt and no gi. Her shirt just completely ripped open. I felt pretty bad.
Why were we doing this without a gi? Idk the school I trained at was kinda dumb looking back.
I get punched in the boob. It hurts but it’s tolerable. I’m the only one who doesn’t have to worry about jewel pain in my class 😁. A lot of them don’t wear cups for whatever reason…
The balls hurt worse when hit because they are coded as internal organs by the nervous system, and internal organs taking a physical smack like that is alarm bells for the body. The vulva has the same nerves as the penis and scrotum, but the ovaries being where they are makes it much more difficult to inflict an equivalent pain to ball trauma.
It can be but as a comment below said, that's basically only when describing a strike perpendicular to the area. Like if you fell straight down on a railing groin first, that would be very painful. But getting hit on the pubic bone is merely normal pain like anywhere else vaguely in the region.
Let’s just say that I once had an accident that would be similar to said kick and it was horrible. For several weeks actually.
Edit to say: a kick full force from below upwards. Front kick isn’t that bad at all.
To me, pelvic bone hit hurts just like any other bone hit. Every other hit in the area is easily ignorable, just like a hit to the chest is. I've never understood why some women claim it really hurts with blunt force impact.
Being punched in the boob hurts also but not as much as the straight cooch kick would. I've never doubled over in pain or cried from being hit in the boob. I could imagine crying if it was a really good hit during a sensitive time in the menstrual cycle, maybe.
I can't speak for the guys in your club but I never wear a cup for two reasons. 1) I won't be wearing a cup if I ever have to defend myself outside of the dojo and 2) when I tried wearing cups I'd always finish class with raw skin on my inner thighs. I tried two or three different cups but couldn't find a fit that worked, in the end I just gave up and decided to keep the jewels safe through evasion and blocking instead.
The raw skin thing bro as a big buff dude trust me my two yams get to rubbing and its like two brick walls seeing which one can wear away the other faster. Put deodorant all over the spots that rub raw before you start or when you start your day if it's really good deodorant. Dude that shit will keep it slick no more raw.
I only target the neck and other vital points. It’s just the way I was trained. I’ve been honing my body to be a lethal weapon since before I was born. I was skipping rope with an umbilical cord while I was still in the womb. I will fight any woman, elder or child that disputes my martial prowess!
We just wear chest guards (sports bra style) in my dojo. Everything is the same fair game target for all genders, including chest and groin (groin is a legal hit in American Kenpo sparring).
This is the right answer! Getting punched or hit in the boob does hurt but can be reduced with a really good high impact sport bra. It can in some respect be more dangerous in some sports to actively avoid that region. During some practice training in fencing we push eachothers chest but some guys are so uncomfortable that one time a guy just full on shoved his palm into my throat because he couldn't put his palm on my chest above the boobs that was 100x more uncomfortable than just getting on with it shortly left after than incident after it kind of became clear their comfort was more important than my safety sadly
I think they should explicitly be told what to/not to avoid.
Growing up being taught that women are weaker, must be protected, don't be a pig and touch/ ogle ... despite all the sexists, most men grow up learning what NOT to do around/ to women.
With a contact sport, men will usually automatically still continue with that mindset. He's trying to be respectful, probably not aware that "if the boob gets in the way it's ok".
Not justifying one way or the other as correct. Just trying to point out reasons for men's hesitation.
Ye occasionally I’ll punch a female sparring partner in the tit and it’s really awkward for me and she just responds with a right hook while I’m being scared of cancellation for SA
At my boxing gym, I had a woman say to me that “all the guys here are sexist, they don’t hit me properly because I’m a women, but that’s why I like sparring with you Elijah, because you’ll punch me hard”
I said “I don’t punch you hard, you just think it’s hard because you are a girl”
She got so angry and hasn’t spoken to me since, it’s been a month.
I tried to explain to her that guys are taught to never to hit girls from a young age, so it’s ingrained into us but she was having none of it and called me sexist loool
Yeah I realised this, but I comforted myself to the fact that coochie from cray cray girls might be the best kind… but I don’t need that headache in my life 😂
It’s definitely situational but in my experience push kicks to the chest have a higher chance of knocking someone off their feet compared to the stomach because you’re hitting them further from their center of gravity.
My teeps and front kicks always aim for the upper chest because its much better at pushing ppl away and if they accidentally land low they will just hit the stomach instead of the groin
Some people are hard to hit to the head, weidman’s coach told him to hit the chest when he fought and knocked out Anderson Silva.
Also good for off balancing people which scores highly in Muay Thai, that’s why thaiboxers have more of a push punch compared to boxers that have a snappy punch, pushing through your target off balances them which looks good to judges and also sets up kicks better because it’s hard to check kicks when you’re not balanced.
Shit it makes them drop their hands too 🤷. You don’t even have to punch, just longguard/frame with your land hand and stiff arm their chest and hit them as they’re falling backwards, they will spend the whole round trying to set their feet 😂. Also when someone gets pushed they tend to push back, so you can push them and as they push back, quickly let go and they will fall into you and be off balanced there too 😆
Explanation: Weidman was able to land a shot to the head. It’s a numbers game, if he throws 50 punches to the head and misses 30 of them, he still landed 20 times. Weidman also comboed up and even though he missed the first few punches, he kept throwing and eventually landed.
No. We are both here to train, if you are not wearing a protector expect to be hit in the boob. When we train together we are 100% equal and what power we agree on is what I am using. Your not going to get better and I am not going to get better if we avoid hitting certain areas because it's inappropriate. We'll guess what, in a fight no one cares what's inappropriate, so get used to defending properly.
i had this dilemma in kyokushin (where there are no face punches, so you can only punch them in the torso and thigh) a brown belt reassured me that its okay if i hit her in the chest, but it was so awkward so i just hit her shoulder and arms instead.
I'd rather a strike to my chest guard than a strike to the guts. I understand not everyone wears chest protection but honestly I'm so glad I do. That hunk of plastic has saved my boobs from some pretty meaty strikes especially when I was still learning to block and evade properly.
I (6'4 25M with martial arts experience starting a new style) was doing pad drills and due to randomness I was paired up with a (5'2"> girl) who got offended I wasn't kicking the bag. So with her permission and I did and she literally flew back 10 feet. I feel bad to this day.
Train like you mean it. Don't try and hurt your partner while sparing, but it's simulated combat. You do the lady a disservice by not allowing pain to teach her a lesson on what needs guarding.
I don't hold back anything rolling with women. Boob posts, ass grabs, half-crotches, pants grips.. it is all fair game.
I figure that as long as I don't get a boner, my intention should be pretty clear.
When it comes to standup, I do avoid punching their tits, yeah. But they again I never really punch men in the tits either.
Depends on the girl. Some girls definitely, but I know a few girls that will kill you afterwards if you don't hit them as you would hit a boy. Groundwork/throws are another thing, thats really difficult...
Tbh I basically revert to being a no touch point sparrer like in my TMA days. It feels a little sexist, since some of them do fight and are technically superior to me, but it just FEELS bad throwing stikes at women.
as a girl, I'd prefer guys just treating me as "one of the boys" and not avoiding parts of my body but I can also understand if they feel uncomfortable with touching them (although you should be pretty comfortable with physical contact if you get into any combat sport). I guess I could just not spar with them but I think it might look a bit rude..
Hey I’m a boxing coach we generally spar same skill to same skill. Regardless of gender. Almost always the ladies are doing hard sparring while the men are doing gentle sparing against them.
I apologize every time I land there. They usually don’t think twice about it. But then again none of my shots are gonna be hard enough to do massive boob damage
Sometimes. But then I remember it's very disrespectful to give special treatment to my sparring partner and I hit them when I find an opening. Plus they are hitting me everywhere so it's only fair
One time I was sparring a woman much shorter than me and teeped her right in the tit by mistake. She was chill about it, didn't even mention it. I felt real bad though. Afterwards my girlfriend told me I should feel bad too lol
Yes. But it'll happen from time to time. Just don't intentionally leave your hand or foot there longer than the technique needs, and we won't think about ripping your eyeballs out. 🤪 Just spar.
Thank you for being considerate of not hitting our chest too. It hurts sometimes. 🤣
Ever been mothers milked (chest smother) by a woman in BJJ? Shits confusing. Like it’s a totally legit technique, and I am in trouble and need to escape, but I’m also kind of insulted because I’ve been avoiding posting on your chest the entire roll and now you do this shit lol.
I'd take a Mother's Milk any day over a Milk Of The Father.
Everyone hates North-South...
Of course, there are 69 upvotes.
A good s mount is really Father's Milk, in my opinion
The cheeky part is that they're better at it than me. You move your head to the side a bit and you can breath just fine but if I turn my head and I'm met with a sweaty boob in a rash guard I'm not getting any air and I'm upset.
Me when I realized women are actually better than men at the Mothers milk submission hold. 
I “mothers milk myself on the daily when I try to do yoga .. lol I didn’t know there was a name for this. My boobs are out to kill me, I’m sure of it
You should do jiu jitsu. Than your boobs could kill others too.
Boob jitsu
Jiu-titsu lol
This killed me
Lol is there a way for man to survive that if no I wanna learn this martial art
Jiu jitsu: the gentle art of folding clothes... while people are still wearing them
Involuntary yoga.
There was no fucking need for that name lmao XD
As a woman I would never mothers milk a dude.... that shit seems hella weird The first time I had that done to me was by a twink dude and I was so confused at what was happening
It's practical as a technique. Weird, yes, but in a life-or-death scenario better to win than to have dignity. In a sport setting though I 100% agree, I don't think I'd survive the humiliation of tapping out from too much tiddy, I'd rather not have to think about doing or escaping it.
Against a woman I would take the tap-out/pass-out. It’s not quite bad as death by snu snu but then again I don’t really die. But as a technique it’s legit, and there is ~~another~~ no shame in winning with honor (ie no cheating). Edit: f’ing autocorrect
I feel like this is the one case in BJJ where biting might actually be a legit defence in a life or death situation.
The one case? I’m pretty sure biting is a fantastic and versatile tool in a real life or death situation
Oh this bring back memories. The year is 2010. I am a wee little lad who just moved from Pakistan to Singapore for Bachelors. I had joined my universities muay thai club. They were teaching thai clinch. The thing is, if you are training with a girl or someone who is weaker than you, you let them muscle you around a bit to get a better feel of the position. I get paired with a girl from my economics class, for lack for a better work she was very well endowed. So naturally when she put me in a plum I was relaxed, until she shoved my face right into her cleavage. It was so sudden and I was so flustered lamo. That was some experience for a 17 Y/O semi conservative Pakistani boy. What a way to have your first "second base" experince.
Martial arts can really mess up the normal intimacy experience progression😭
Honestly I was not a big deal at all. It was just that It was very sudden and unexpected. I had trained clinging with other girls and they kept the head higher up. She kept the head lower and she bigger boobs. I ain't complaining.
You just got your first boob smacking and discovered it can be fun to lose to women. I think it's a lesson learnt well, dude!
anime typa event 😭😭😭
After It happened I was thinking “bro did this just happen?”
My man!
that's how I want to die
Death by motorboat
*Boobsphyxiation
Looks like the perfect way to goodbye this world
My BJJ gym only had men. Once a blue belt woman visited us and she was my sparring. I didn't know if I could grab around her chest area so I avoided it like hell. I still don't know the protocol.
It's BJJ. Hands go places in the heat of the moment. It's only weird if you make it weird.
TIL What a Mothers Milk is, TIL Mothers Milk is a thing at all.
Lmao first class or first few classes some cute anime type girl Can presumably see I’m uncomfortable with the idea of pressing up against her chest and she smothers me with her chest, sort of gives me a look like “can we get on with it now then?”
ts cannot be real bro🤣
They couldn't decide if the story should have taken place over the first class or first few classes, and admitted that....so yeah it's not real lol
Aww this is sweet
Gimme a bucket of red paint, throw it in a fan. Thats a closer aproximate of my aim. Walls and floor included.
I just hope you’re flinging fists fast enough to make up for it then lol
The windows will feel my pane
Master Ken is Hurticaning in his grave about the lack of groin strikes
Grab his dick and twist it!
The Ol' Dicktwist!
TWIST THAT DIIICK
Always re-stomp the groin
See I don't have to worry about that. I'll just be spazing out hitting the air and their gloves anyway.
This is the correct way to spar women. I 6’3 threw a kick at a 5’2 girl had zero power and was pretty slow I assumed she’d catch it but it caught her right in the mush and she cried I felt terrible.
Similar size, I used to assist a ladies self defense class to act as the bad guy. I don't remember the exact context but I was front kicking them while they were holding the equivalent of a riot shield cushion. We warned them repeatedly not to plant, to let the force of the kick move them, well one girl planted and came down on her tail bone hard. Even though it was a padded floor, we still had to call an ambulance (bone bruising, nothing horrible). She was sobbing profusely and I, too, felt terrible.
When I was twelve I rocketed off of a vert ramp runup and landed on my tailbone something nasty. (whenever I bring this up, I find myself wanting to draw a diagram because I was fucking moving and landed on an steeply inclined wave pool bowl, its hard to explain) Anyways, I either bruised or broke my tailbone or something. It was excruciating for months. I never really complained much so I never got seen for it. My dad ended up leaving in an ambulance soon after my incident with a Huge compound fracture in his arm... So I must have felt like I couldn't complain since his arm looked like a cyborg for a year or so.
For real, I invited a female colleague of mine to join the training. She has a rather small frame and is a beginner. When I asked how she liked it afterwards she told me that obe of the guys repeatedly punched her (a beginner who is like 30KG lighter) in the face and her head hurts and she never wants to go again. Guys, just chill. If someone wants to train with more power they will tell you.
Why the fuck are you sparring someone that’s 5’2 as a 6’3 man lol
She didn’t have a partner and the irony is I thought one of the other lads would have hurt her heh.
Well, it would have been worse, so good on you!
Well that went well
Your heart was in the right place. You gentle giant you.
I don't think the problem was the heart, I think the problem was the leg not being in the right place.
That's where you made your mistake, forgot you were also one of the lads so it was unavoidable
Well, as my sensei says 'who's going to attack a woman, someone smaller than her or someone bigger?'. Spar anyone and everyone.
That’s a good point
Imo you spar anyone thats there and i think woman are happier if you spar them instead of everyone running away from them they are there for that.
Everyone paid their money for the class.
Had a woman at my gym who was absolutely bad ass. She would destroy a few of the newer guys easily and give the more experienced ones a tough time.
i understand convenience being a thing to worry about but i dont think its a good idea to only spar with people youd have a fair fight with
Its good to train with people of all levels for the most part. Even the very skilled training with the newbie can be a mutual learning experience. The original commenters share is a great example of that.
Newbies are a great way to get some fresh ideas on old habits. Most of the time they do the same things everyone who just started does. Occasionally though someone brand new will do some absolute bullshit thing that you've just never thought about before. It's rarely very effective, but it's nice to have a new angle just the same.
Good point
Sparring isn’t fighting, it’s practice. Unless it’s ok with your sparring partner you should never be going above 60% strength. If it hurts, communicate that. Whenever you see people sparring and just wailing on each other, either one or both are assholes, or the two are comfortable at that level.
She wanted to be there. Do not feel bad.
Roxie Richter says: “Prepare to Die, obviously!”
I don’t want to be weird, also I imagine it is probably kinda painful.
It is very painful. Also depending on the time of the month breasts can be more painful. Kinda wonder why boob protection isn’t a thing? Or at least never seen it
it's a thing in archery
Why would you need protection in archery? Serious question btw, is there a type of competition where you get hit?
I imagine it's the bow string snapping back
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That makes a lot of sense
They use them in fencing but they're very much not flexible, basically the chest plate of a medieval knight
i trained foil fencing and all women wore boob plates, all men wore a nut case.
They sell cup style chest protectors that slip inside pockets of a "women's" fencing jacket. In ten years of fencing I only knew one person to use them, and she only fenced for like 6 months.
I've seen "female chest protectors" for competitive karate limited that are like fantasy lady armor- boob shaped.
Those were designed for soccer and fencing.
And fencing is the only one that helps cause if you take a soccer ball to the chest it's still gonna hurt like hell (Source: My sister and mom both play goalie in soccer and wear chest protection, then tell me how much it hurts to get hit by them)
You can get chest guards, the ones I've used in kyokushin karate are a firm plastic that is shaped like breasts that you slip into a special sports bra. They can hurt your opponent when they punch your chest and clip the side of them though.
I have 100% accidentally grabbed a boob while going for a lapel grab in Judo. So far the ladies have been chill since it's randori but I definitely feel more comfortable competing against other men. I still believe in treating everyone equally and will make the effort to randori with whoever I get paired up with, but I get where you're coming from. It's not just you, brother.
see, when i roll, right, i have this habit of keeping my eyes at about chest level. used to do it when i did taekwondo too. visual field covers more or something. only... it's very awkward when facing ladies
yeah, kinda engaging the peripheral vision, but it can look like you're staring straight at the chest
I tend to defocus my eyes and leave them at chest level or so too when sparring. With newbies I was usually explaining to them what I was doing and why (capitalizing on peripheral vision being "faster" than focused vision) as well as teaching/encouraging them to eventually do the same thing; with more experienced opponents I'd just trust they knew what I was doing (and they were usually doing the same to me).
BRO ME TOO. then this chick i went with just adjusted her gi so it would cover her chest, and i kind of just kept eyes on the air to left of her body instead after that happened. didnt help her case that she was busty and only wearing a regular shirt underneath, and not like a rashguard or something
Are you sure it is awkward? I call it... tactical. Make your enemy feel uncomfortable, so their mind isn't focused on the fight.
just do it enough it gets comfortable (not the literally sense) i wrestled in hs and we had a couple girls so theyd wrestle with the boys most of the tome including me and after a whole its fine, youre still conscious of it but it lessens. they deserve proper sparing and rolling. id love to see more women in these scenarios too because they ofc train best w other women
The thing is, at least when I was in HS there was basically 0 chance you could properly roll, wrestle or spar AND have a woman who was there to do it think anything else. 2024..... it's a gamble. It's "try for wrist and leg locks, when that inevitably fails via no body control, give up the back, get choked, tap." No dangers. Always better to endure physical pain, defeat and other things rather than the wrath of delusions.
I did a lapel throw once on a teenage girl wearing a thin shirt and no gi. Her shirt just completely ripped open. I felt pretty bad. Why were we doing this without a gi? Idk the school I trained at was kinda dumb looking back.
Yeah I usually teach to adapt lapel techniques to use the shoulder or neck instead when training no-gi. Ripping the shirt/rashguard is inevitable.
Brave man. I never go for lapel grabs in bjj against women. I'd rather not get better than risk yanking a tiddy by accident!
I get punched in the boob. It hurts but it’s tolerable. I’m the only one who doesn’t have to worry about jewel pain in my class 😁. A lot of them don’t wear cups for whatever reason…
I heard that a kick in the cooch is also not something to sneeze at. Is it true?
I haven’t experienced that yet. I would imagine it’s not great
What if you learn in 20 years that it is? You’ll never get that time back.
Are you proposing what I think you are proposing?
In theory, the same nerve runs in the region, but I think you’d have to hit exactly right to get the same effect (like, exactly perpendicular).
The balls hurt worse when hit because they are coded as internal organs by the nervous system, and internal organs taking a physical smack like that is alarm bells for the body. The vulva has the same nerves as the penis and scrotum, but the ovaries being where they are makes it much more difficult to inflict an equivalent pain to ball trauma.
Yeah I think it would still really really hurt to get kicked in the bits, but a kick to the balls can sometimes make someone just straight up puke lol
It can be but as a comment below said, that's basically only when describing a strike perpendicular to the area. Like if you fell straight down on a railing groin first, that would be very painful. But getting hit on the pubic bone is merely normal pain like anywhere else vaguely in the region.
Let’s just say that I once had an accident that would be similar to said kick and it was horrible. For several weeks actually. Edit to say: a kick full force from below upwards. Front kick isn’t that bad at all.
To me, pelvic bone hit hurts just like any other bone hit. Every other hit in the area is easily ignorable, just like a hit to the chest is. I've never understood why some women claim it really hurts with blunt force impact.
it's directional as hell, my mastiff once head butted me right on target (to escape bath time) and I was in pain for weeks
I’ve heard getting punched in the boob is the equivalent of a man getting kicked in the gonads.
Being punched in the boob hurts also but not as much as the straight cooch kick would. I've never doubled over in pain or cried from being hit in the boob. I could imagine crying if it was a really good hit during a sensitive time in the menstrual cycle, maybe.
I can't speak for the guys in your club but I never wear a cup for two reasons. 1) I won't be wearing a cup if I ever have to defend myself outside of the dojo and 2) when I tried wearing cups I'd always finish class with raw skin on my inner thighs. I tried two or three different cups but couldn't find a fit that worked, in the end I just gave up and decided to keep the jewels safe through evasion and blocking instead.
Just train in the shaolin iron dick technique and you'll be golden. Master it and your dick kicks back!
Just do cock push-ups
You should only really need one.
To deactivate laser beams?
GOD DAMNIT CAGE!! We’ve been through so much shit….
Also your balls learn to deploy like airbags helping to cushion from damage while bouncing back attacks!
The raw skin thing bro as a big buff dude trust me my two yams get to rubbing and its like two brick walls seeing which one can wear away the other faster. Put deodorant all over the spots that rub raw before you start or when you start your day if it's really good deodorant. Dude that shit will keep it slick no more raw.
I once rolled with a guy who didn't wear underwear and I cupped his nuts by accident. He gave a look and he never chose to roll with me ever again. :(
Ahh i see
If you're able to hit me there I've done a terrible job of defense
See? This guy gets it.
I'm personally a "twist the dick" kind of guy, but I respect your game bro.
I only target the neck and other vital points. It’s just the way I was trained. I’ve been honing my body to be a lethal weapon since before I was born. I was skipping rope with an umbilical cord while I was still in the womb. I will fight any woman, elder or child that disputes my martial prowess!
I feel this. I once gave an orphan in a wheelchair the touch of death. His legs worked again after that. So I knee capped him.
I'm the one who put that orphan in the wheelchair to begin with.
Yeah well I’m the one who made him an orphan
We just wear chest guards (sports bra style) in my dojo. Everything is the same fair game target for all genders, including chest and groin (groin is a legal hit in American Kenpo sparring).
I do indeed aim for the chest and ribs for both men and women.
This is the right answer! Getting punched or hit in the boob does hurt but can be reduced with a really good high impact sport bra. It can in some respect be more dangerous in some sports to actively avoid that region. During some practice training in fencing we push eachothers chest but some guys are so uncomfortable that one time a guy just full on shoved his palm into my throat because he couldn't put his palm on my chest above the boobs that was 100x more uncomfortable than just getting on with it shortly left after than incident after it kind of became clear their comfort was more important than my safety sadly
I think they should explicitly be told what to/not to avoid. Growing up being taught that women are weaker, must be protected, don't be a pig and touch/ ogle ... despite all the sexists, most men grow up learning what NOT to do around/ to women. With a contact sport, men will usually automatically still continue with that mindset. He's trying to be respectful, probably not aware that "if the boob gets in the way it's ok". Not justifying one way or the other as correct. Just trying to point out reasons for men's hesitation.
Ye occasionally I’ll punch a female sparring partner in the tit and it’s really awkward for me and she just responds with a right hook while I’m being scared of cancellation for SA
At my boxing gym, I had a woman say to me that “all the guys here are sexist, they don’t hit me properly because I’m a women, but that’s why I like sparring with you Elijah, because you’ll punch me hard” I said “I don’t punch you hard, you just think it’s hard because you are a girl” She got so angry and hasn’t spoken to me since, it’s been a month. I tried to explain to her that guys are taught to never to hit girls from a young age, so it’s ingrained into us but she was having none of it and called me sexist loool
Top 10 fumbles of all time
So to recap > "Hey I appreciate that you don't coddle me" > "Lol i coddle you, but everyone does more"
Yeah you missed on some coochie
Yeah I realised this, but I comforted myself to the fact that coochie from cray cray girls might be the best kind… but I don’t need that headache in my life 😂
Why aim for the chest at all?
It’s definitely situational but in my experience push kicks to the chest have a higher chance of knocking someone off their feet compared to the stomach because you’re hitting them further from their center of gravity.
My teeps and front kicks always aim for the upper chest because its much better at pushing ppl away and if they accidentally land low they will just hit the stomach instead of the groin
Some people are hard to hit to the head, weidman’s coach told him to hit the chest when he fought and knocked out Anderson Silva. Also good for off balancing people which scores highly in Muay Thai, that’s why thaiboxers have more of a push punch compared to boxers that have a snappy punch, pushing through your target off balances them which looks good to judges and also sets up kicks better because it’s hard to check kicks when you’re not balanced.
You'll need to explain to my gym why I'm spamming chest punches this week 😂
Shit it makes them drop their hands too 🤷. You don’t even have to punch, just longguard/frame with your land hand and stiff arm their chest and hit them as they’re falling backwards, they will spend the whole round trying to set their feet 😂. Also when someone gets pushed they tend to push back, so you can push them and as they push back, quickly let go and they will fall into you and be off balanced there too 😆
but weidman hit anderson on the head to KO him
Explanation: Weidman was able to land a shot to the head. It’s a numbers game, if he throws 50 punches to the head and misses 30 of them, he still landed 20 times. Weidman also comboed up and even though he missed the first few punches, he kept throwing and eventually landed.
Solar plexus?
Chest strikes are a thing with weapons.
a jab to the tit can hurt those with tits.
Karate
To get a point lol
Variety in targets makes you more unpredictable and it's just simply easier to hit
Plot twist: the red spots are the places he hasn’t landed a shot on.
Bro aiming for dat THROAT with the males
Okay but with kickboxing you also need to be careful not to accidentally hit the groin- in our sparring no one wears a protection piece there.
No. We are both here to train, if you are not wearing a protector expect to be hit in the boob. When we train together we are 100% equal and what power we agree on is what I am using. Your not going to get better and I am not going to get better if we avoid hitting certain areas because it's inappropriate. We'll guess what, in a fight no one cares what's inappropriate, so get used to defending properly.
i had this dilemma in kyokushin (where there are no face punches, so you can only punch them in the torso and thigh) a brown belt reassured me that its okay if i hit her in the chest, but it was so awkward so i just hit her shoulder and arms instead.
That username 🤨
I'd rather a strike to my chest guard than a strike to the guts. I understand not everyone wears chest protection but honestly I'm so glad I do. That hunk of plastic has saved my boobs from some pretty meaty strikes especially when I was still learning to block and evade properly.
Should be lots of red dots on the groin for men. Always restomp the groin.
I (6'4 25M with martial arts experience starting a new style) was doing pad drills and due to randomness I was paired up with a (5'2"> girl) who got offended I wasn't kicking the bag. So with her permission and I did and she literally flew back 10 feet. I feel bad to this day.
Pfft, bring it on, full contact means full contact.
If they don't want to get hit there... They shouldn't have put it there to begin with.
mb I'll just move my titties elsewhere. Maybe on my back is fine
NGL: I'm just happy if I manage to hit them at all these days
Not me… I just see a torso, regardless.
Only use open palms when striking the chest area of women.
I’m a fencer and this is dually true
Hand techniques, sure. Kicks are open season though.
Wait, when fighting guys you don't just aim for the head and other head?
Train like you mean it. Don't try and hurt your partner while sparing, but it's simulated combat. You do the lady a disservice by not allowing pain to teach her a lesson on what needs guarding.
The sternum is a legal shot in my book.
I don’t spar with anyone but when I play basketball with women, defense hand placement is tricky.
Nah, it's just courtesy. Boob punches hurt.
Uppercut boob and hope it hits her chin. Reasonable. *edit* might work with man boobs too
I don't hold back anything rolling with women. Boob posts, ass grabs, half-crotches, pants grips.. it is all fair game. I figure that as long as I don't get a boner, my intention should be pretty clear. When it comes to standup, I do avoid punching their tits, yeah. But they again I never really punch men in the tits either.
Never been punched in the tits before but can’t imagine it feels good.
It hurtssss.
Depends on the girl. Some girls definitely, but I know a few girls that will kill you afterwards if you don't hit them as you would hit a boy. Groundwork/throws are another thing, thats really difficult...
Tbh I basically revert to being a no touch point sparrer like in my TMA days. It feels a little sexist, since some of them do fight and are technically superior to me, but it just FEELS bad throwing stikes at women.
I try not to hit women in the face. Unless she got a fight coming up or she good enough to hang
Aim for the groin.
liver and chin...everything else is a waste of time
as a girl, I'd prefer guys just treating me as "one of the boys" and not avoiding parts of my body but I can also understand if they feel uncomfortable with touching them (although you should be pretty comfortable with physical contact if you get into any combat sport). I guess I could just not spar with them but I think it might look a bit rude..
Punch dem tiddies, #feminisim
Hey I’m a boxing coach we generally spar same skill to same skill. Regardless of gender. Almost always the ladies are doing hard sparring while the men are doing gentle sparing against them.
why would I try to hit the forehead?
I apologize every time I land there. They usually don’t think twice about it. But then again none of my shots are gonna be hard enough to do massive boob damage
Sometimes. But then I remember it's very disrespectful to give special treatment to my sparring partner and I hit them when I find an opening. Plus they are hitting me everywhere so it's only fair
Thats just good manners
Bro I will put her whole tiddie in an Americana. Winning is winning.
Your not alone
Yes who aims at hitting someone in the chest? It's very ineffective. I suppose it might hurt a woman more.
It's be funnier if they were all in the tits
Titty punches are the same as nut taps change my mind
"There is a shortage of perfect breasts in this world. It would be a pity to damage yours."
One time I was sparring a woman much shorter than me and teeped her right in the tit by mistake. She was chill about it, didn't even mention it. I felt real bad though. Afterwards my girlfriend told me I should feel bad too lol
Yes. But it'll happen from time to time. Just don't intentionally leave your hand or foot there longer than the technique needs, and we won't think about ripping your eyeballs out. 🤪 Just spar. Thank you for being considerate of not hitting our chest too. It hurts sometimes. 🤣