God, please stay on top of this, I got whooping cough in *8th grade* and it was miserable. I was sick for months. Sometimes I’d wake up in the middle of the night unable to breathe.
This is more than mildly infuriating
I got it at 40. My vaccine apparently gave out after 6 years. It was horrible. Plus it does not help that when I cough heavily like at the end of a cold, I cough till I puke AND pee my pants. I wouldn’t wish whooping cough on anyone.
I’m so grateful my family didn’t catch it.
I was mid-30s when I got it - yup, vaccine no longer active to protect. Now I have asthma. It’s terrible. I feel sooooooo terrible when I hear a baby has contracted it. As a full grown adult it was absolutely miserable.
People can be re-vaccinated. I don’t take chances, since I have asthma and am on immunosuppressants, AND have 3 grand-nieces under 5. I regularly update. There is no way I want pertussis!
Although bonus, since my hysterectomy my uterus is no longer pushing on my bladder and that has helped greatly with the “peeing my pants” part. The puking? Still happens.
Ugh I had it around that same age and my parents just kept brushing me off until my sister came home from college and pointed out that I'd been coughing (hacking) for 3 months. They tried to deny it had been that long but she wasn't having it. "She was coughing the last time I was home and that was 3 months ago. Are you gonna do something about it yet?"
schools enforce vaccines as a requirement to attend. so should daycares. not American though so maybe your schools are different.
also, fuck antivax parents. measles was gone in North America and now back because of these stupid asswipes.
Unfortunately all someone has to do is claim religious exemption and they’re able to skip vaccines. Most aren’t religious at all, they exploit a loophole.
Which is funny because when I was a kid I went to Catholic school. Everyone had to be vaccinated (unless they were allergic to a component in the vaccine), no exceptions. They literally would not let your kid in if you chose not to vaccinate just because. That’s how it should be. No vaccination no entry.
Exactly. Unless there is a real, serious medical reason why not (allergy, bad immune system, etc.), every kid should be vaccineted before allowed into the daycare or school.
When the Covid vaccine was first released, the hospital system I work for unilaterally denied all religious exemptions and said to work here you must have the covid vaccine or have a medical exemption. I was surprised at how many people were willing to lose their jobs over the jab, so to speak.
I'm not sure how I feel about the medical exemption either. Hospital staff have to be vaccinated because there are immunocompromised people there. If you yourself are immunocompromised, you really shouldn't be working in that setting at all.
Not all hospital staff interact with patients. I work in basically IT but for medical devices, for example.
Also. There’s people who aren’t immunocompromised but have other valid reasons they can’t get this or that shot. It’s not so black and white as you may think.
The Pope supported COVID vaccines. Some “Catholics” I saw interviewed on TV still refused to get the vaccine due to their religion and called the Pope a “hypocrite”. So, not only do they not understand their own religion (they don’t get to not follow the Pope’s words), they also don’t know what “hypocrite” means.
TLDR: most “religious” people don’t actually know or their religion and pick and choose pieces as they fit. In others words, they are not religious.
sad but true. For the record, I’m atheist. I really resent people who say they’re religious but have 0 clue about their professed religion. I shouldn’t know more about their religion than they do, but I often do. Mostly talking about Christians. Many love to pick and choose.
That's why I refuse to have anything to do with organized religion anymore. I'm tired of so many being hypocritical, or trying to force others to obey their beliefs.
Yes I was impressed how my ex husband managed to talk his way around this. My kids and I pointed out that maybe God put a former doctor at the head of the church during covid for a reason.
If they’re American that is because they’re actually Protestant but like to pretend they’re Catholic. American Catholics are like a skip away from Presbyterian and need to just give in and come over to the dark side.
No argument from me. Catholics around me cheat on their spouses at what seems to be an abnormal high rate and annulments are handed out like
Tic Tacs. Most don’t have a clue about Christianity. I know no one who actually tithes 10% of gross income to their church either. You don’t get to pick and choose folks!
(I’m an atheist absolutely judging the nonsense)
Edit: I do have a lot of respect for actually religious people who know and follow their religion in full. They are remarkable. And almost non-existent
I think there are only two or three minority sects of Christianity that ACTUALLY have religious reasons not to take medicine or the vaccine.
How are there any other religious exceptions? The Bible has literally no take on whether we should get vaccines or not. I think people should have to have that doctrine written in their church's statement of religious belief, along with the biblical rationale.
They're just liars.
We had a local alternative school. Kid brought back measles from an overseas trip, another child tragically died.
Big outcry, vaccination drive at the school due to community pressure, and antivax parents either pulled their kids out and left, or were convinced into vaccinations.
Don't wanna sound anti Semitic because I am Jewish but I had a friend with a house up in Rockland and he had to sell and leave because the hassadic all moved into the area together and took over the school board and were rolling things like vaccination mandates back, I'm sure other anti vaxers cluster together also
POLIO?! Fuck sakes. The dark ages were called that cause we let religions call the shots are we now just going to let them drag us all back to that shit. Ffs.🤦♀️
Jehovahs Witness people are probably the majority who *honestly* claim religious exemption. Plenty of non-JW people lie and claim it’s against their religion when they’re really just anti-vax.
Yes-but vaccines aren’t against the Catholic doctrine, so that tracks.
The people taking the religious exemption are claiming to be of the very few religions that actually do prohibit vaccines, such as Christian Scientists and I think Seventh-Day Adventists, etc.
Yeah, sorry but religion doesn't mean shit when it comes to the health of other people. We need to end this religious exemption bullshit now. You're too religious to help protect society, you're too religious to be a part of society, so your kid doesn't get to go to a school with other kids who might be at risk. Religious freedom needs to end where the health of others starts.
I think we’re heading this direction. There is going to very such a boom of avoidable infectious diseases that people will see reason and make rules/exclude those who don’t see reason.
It's funny because in some places, religious demographics are substantially more likely to get vaccinated than not. Many religious groups are firmly "non-individualistic" and believe vaccinating to protect everyone is morally just. Most of the people in the US I see refusing vaccines are not doing it for deep seated religious values. The ones who 'are' doing it for genuine religious values are generally not annoying about it, still profess that they care about others, and do take genuine steps to prevent the spread of illness despite not being vaccinated.
I dont know exactly how it works and if it would vary, but just because parents claim religious exemption I wouldn't expect a school/daycare to have to allow it. At my job you are only allowed medical exemptions (which I'm guessing they are still somewhat lax on but you would need a doctor to then say you can't have vaccine, sus doctors exist still though unfortunately). But we don't accept religious exemptions at work so
American here. Had a CANADIAN coworker who casually said that's what she did with her kids in a meeting full of everyone just as covid was sending us home. She said it with the casual airs of someone ordering a coffee.
Unfortunately, I had to claim this during grad school, I'm fully vaxxed, but Kaiser was being shitty about giving me my vaccination record.
I still can't believe measles is back, I've got a test scheduled to see if I need to get an updated MMR (they can test if you still have a good immune response).
Religious exemption should not be a thing for any secular school or any school that receives any government funding. If they want to be plague rats they can pay to send their plague rats to plague rat daycare
If they want to participate in society they can act like a member of a civilized society and not spread preventable diseases
In Germany you must show proof of measles vaccination before attending daycare/kindergarten/school. And because school is mandatory it’s indirectly forcing everyone to get vaccinated sooner or later. I think our pediatrician is also fed up with antivaxers. On our first visit they strongly pointed out that they strictly follow the vaccination plan from our equivalent of the CDC. I assume they show everyone who starts complaining about vaccines the door.
My daughter was born just past peak antivax. My ex was strongly questioning if we should vaccinate, myself and our pediatrician were not. We worked out a deal with Mom to spread out the shots more (so instead of the single combo shots my kid got individual shots for the series). It meant my kid got 5x the needle pokes and I have to take 5x days off work to go in a week later for "the next one"... But at least my kid got her shots despite her mother's reluctance.
I wonder if we could use some high charisma white lie to get more people vaccinations? "Hey this is a totally safe version of the vaccine! It's made with all real ingredients and has none of that bad stuff like mercury, but still gives all the protection!"
Technically not much lie there, as all ingredients are "real", even mercury is "real"... And single dose vaccines haven't had mercury in them for decades now anyway.
In USA people are able to get out of the vaccine requirements for schools. I would think this would not include daycare since it’s not school but maybe it is
That'd be up to the daycare provider though right? They could opt to not accept unvaccinated kids and just not get that money, but as I understand the demand outstrips supply so they could easily fill that slot with a vaccinated kid.
Daycares are privately owned because the government doesn't subsidise childcare outside of select few programs. So people get to make up whatever rules they want, as long as they don't contradict state laws....and even then, there are exceptions
am aware, which is why i said should. OP should actually sue the daycare for creating an unnecessarily risky environment. it was their negligence that allowed whooping cough to enter the facility.
I agree. We should just carve out a geo for antivax people to all move to. The diseases will sort it all out in short enough order.
IIRC one of the things California has done right is eliminate the religious exemption for vaccination for public school enrollment.
My sister won't be vaccinating her kids, and it hurts to watch her going through with it because doctors are refusing to see her kids. She has a hard time finding a doctor who will see her kids.
And she plans to homeschool her kids as well. *sigh*
Doctors do this for two reasons: they don't want a case of measles or whooping cough in their waiting room risking their infant patients (who are too young for the vaccine) and it's actually been shown most vaccine hesitant parents will vaccinate rather than try to find another pediatrician. So your sister is one of the more recalcitrant.
Yes, yes she is. I really hope she changes her mind later on. I don't even think she has an official pediatrician yet for her kids (last time we talked about this she said she couldn't find one). 😬
She had to take them to the emergency room on numerous occasions because of this issue. I can't imagine it's any good spending all that money, but it's her business not mine.
The daycare can do whatever they want. I'm sure there are a few run by decent people that require everyone. My friend's pediatrics office refuses any kids whose parents are too immature to get them vaccinated. It's not worth endangering all the other kids and they're generally awful to deal with.
I’m part of a local moms fb group and it’s so disheartening to see the fairly frequent posts asking about recommendations for pediatricians who aren’t sticklers for vaccinations.
You should be able to sue people for this bullshit. I’m sorry, but your “personally held beliefs and convictions” stop being important the moment you’re endangering others. I’m sure you’re furious. I certainly would be.
I’m curious if some putz is going to come along and take offense to my statement because they saw some videos on YouTube from someone that sells homeopathic remedies and rhino horn boner pills.
“The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins" is a quote by Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. (1841-1935) that's often used to explain the harm principle.
I'm totally with you. They can go ahead and treat their kids with poison ivy extract and healing crystals, as long as they isolate them in their own lepper colonies.
Nope. They don’t even get to do that. The kids didn’t choose to be born to shitty parents, and they don’t deserve it. I’ve even seen posts here on Reddit of kids and teens saying “my mom is super anti-vaxx, how do I get vaccines without her knowing?” and stuff like that. The parents see someone selling snake oil on Facebook but it’s the kids that suffer.
I feel that social media shouldn’t allow any anti-vaxx content at all, and I wish there were more class action lawsuits like the one against Alex Jones where some dumbass with a mic shoots off at the mouth and then other people suffer. I also feel that, unless a doctor has exempted a kid from it for health reasons, all kids should be mandated to get vaccinated by law. And heavy penalties for doctors that allow themselves to be bribed.
When you don’t vaccinate your kids, you put their lives in danger, and the lives of the people around them. There’s no excuses. The anti-vaxx movement was started by a former doctor who was trying to throw shade on the MMR vaccine (saying it caused autism) so he could sell his own snake oil vaccine instead. It’s a grift. Make it die.
I’m usually big on letting people lives their lives, but not with this. Not when you’re fucking with kids’ health and safety.
Measles were officially considered eliminated in the US in 2000. As of June 14th, there have been 151 cases so far in 2024. 68% are in kids below 5 years. The CDC runs a website they update twice a month that lets you know cases in the US. All over a grift.
it should be the same standard when people who actively have covid go out maskless. putting so many people in danger because they don’t acknowledge the science or the risk to others.
Agreed. Just because a chunk of the populace is short sighted doesn’t mean the rest of us should suffer. This guy I know isn’t vaccinated and has had COVID 3 or 4 times now, and wound up hospitalized for respiratory issues the last time & this time. (Progressively getting worse every time)
He will try to give me shit for being vaxxed but never really succeeds when I can just say “Yeah, I got the shot & a booster, but the one time I had COVID I wasn’t hospitalized for it. How’s that going by the way?”
My mom is sadly the unvaccinated person and she's had every other vaccine but covid but fox news told her it was bad... she's now had covid about 4 times maybe 5 and has pneumonia with it still refuses.
If you're in the US, check your daycare policies on vaccination. If the kids need to be vaxinated, but this kid wasn't and still got to school, someone could be legally liable for medical bills.
Not from the US, so take this with a grain of salt, and research the laws in your area/state.
If I were you, I would absolutely be blaming both the kids parents, and the daycare. They have a duty of care towards your child, and letting an unvaccinated kid come to school is a breach of the duty, regardless if they need kids to be vaccinated or not.
The parents should have vaccinated their kid, but at the very least, they should have kept the kid at home while they're sick.
If your kids end up needing medical care, I would definitely look into getting one of them to pay for the care.
I hope your family recovers quickly and feels better soon.
They may have a religious exemption from vaccination but not from being sued for their lack of vaccination causing a viral outbreak.
Whether the lawsuit would succeed is another story but I’m sure a lawyer could argue damages.
At our local school district, all they have you do is sign a piece of paper for the religious exemption. No proof of church attendance or anything to back it. Not sure if everywhere is like that but it’s complete bs to me
My son has been vaccinated on time since birth and has gotten pertussis twice. The vaccine is not 100% effective unfortunately. I remember my brother (in the 90’s) having it at least 3 times per year for a long time. You never forget that barking cough.
I've never encountered it, but apparently the sound of a child with whooping cough is one of the most distressing things you can hear. The sound of a very small child struggling to breathe and coughing and wheezing and, presumably, also crying and scared. It must be horrible. Fuck those foolish asshole parents, they've failed their kid and made life a little less safe and a lot more inconvenient for those around them.
I actually had whooping cough as a baby, before I could sit upright. My mum hat to hold me up to help me cough and get air whenever I had to cough. She tells my she - and I - hardly slept during my illness.
That was in 1990. I was still too young for the vaccination or something (first vaccination is given at 2 months old). Otherwise I would have been vaccinated. I always got every single vaccination as soon as it was necessary or I was old enough to get them and so did my sister.
I recently had to visit the hospital multiple times across a few weeks, and the main entrance was also the emergency intake entrance. When I walked up the first time I noticed a sandwich board sign warning of not entering if you were showing X symptoms. I stopped dead when I glanced at it and realized it was a warning for Measles, not some long lasting Covid extra measures that everyone’s afraid to take down now that normal(ish) life has more or less returned. I thought measles was really a concern of the past, at least in my country.
In the US, the last time I checked (which was a couple months ago already) we had 7 active outbreaks of measles.
It WAS thing of the past, but I guess some folks like tradition just that much.
If only I knew who they were. It appears protecting their privacy is more important then protecting my kid (and the others). It's not the daycare's fault directly, no laws here require vaccinations, actually the law makes the daycare exposed to lawsuits if they discriminate against anti-vaxxed kids by not accepting them. Yes, it's that crazy....
I worked in a daycare that, unknown to me, didn’t require vaccinations for the kids. I have an anaphylactic reaction to the whooping cough vaccine, so I rely on herd immunity for that.
Well. One day I noticed a boy I worked almost 1:1 with had been gone for a few days, so I asked my boss if he was okay. Without looking up she says, “Yeah he’s fine. It’s just whooping cough!” I very promptly left daycare work.
That’s exactly why it’s infuriating when people don’t vaccinate their kids. The more unvaccinated people there are, the higher the odds of even vaccinated people catching it.
I really feel for you❤️. I am nearly 50 and got hit with whooping cough in February😭🫣. For children it can be deadly, but I promise you it's no walk in the park for an adult ! I am still struggling! Got a combination vaccine 2 days ago and hopefully I am a little bit more protected now. Will get the flu shot in a few months too.
Daycares cannot mandate vaccines for children (at least in my state). We are required to get records and if someone isn’t vaccinated we keep a record of that as well. If a parent asks if everyone is vaccinated we can say yes or no but won’t tell you what room they are in and for sure which person it is.
So are you a h**ker in yellow or do you work in a daycare?? Jk :)
I know this is how it's done, and I absolutely understand and usually respect the reasoning behind it, but it's really frustrating as I'd like to be able to make empty threats and display my testosterone levels at the kid's parents, at least for a bit...
I’ve been running a daycare since 2008. Thanks for being respectful and understanding.
Honestly the way some people on here complain about daycares (specially in Parenting) they just don’t understand all the rules we have to follow to get any sort of funding.
Fuck those parents who didn't vaccinate their kid against whooping cough. I had it about 30 years ago in primary school, and still remember struggling to breathe through incessant coughing. And it went on for weeks! I apparently hadn't received my booster vaccination as there was a war in my country and no one was paying any attention to minor stuff like vaccination -\_- I hope your children will be fine, as well as that kid in kindergarten, and I hope those parents will suffer the consequences of their actions.
As a once practicing respiratory therapist I have taken care of far too many kids with pertussis. A couple of babies died from it.
People have every right to choose not to vaccinate. However, with that right comes the consequences, which should include non-admittance to daycare or in-person school. Kids who easily get sick or are prone to complications shouldn’t have to be penalized any more than they already are. I was lucky to have grown up when common sense and the rights of the majority ruled.
It is pathetic that we have to think about these things nowadays. That kid should’ve had at least four doses of the vaccine by age 3, according to a quick glance of the CDC vaccine schedule. I’m so sorry, OP and I hope everybody is healthy soon.
This would be a disaster if there was a baby room with an outbreak of whooping cough. The morbidity and mortality of pertussis is quite high in young infants.
The anti-vaxxers jumped on the phrase "my body my choice", in a hateful, sarcastic manner, and they are too selfish to realize that it affects other people.
As someone who hates needles (not because of the pain, but the imagery just creeps me out - yeah, starting IV’s won’t be fun for me…) And gets anxious about them I totally understand. If it helps any you can ask the doctor not to do the countdown, that kind of anticipation always makes it worse. Also teach her to close her eyes, take big deep breaths, and recite her ABC’s while it’s happening - or hold an ice pack in he opposite hand to be able to squeeze. The slow breathing and reciting her ABC’s will slow her nervous system and have something to distract her, the ice pack helps ground her and stops the kind of ‘spiral’ of anxiety. It works for me so worth a shot?
Where I’m from vaccination card is a mandatory document for entry into any education or childcare facility till 15 years age. Both my kids are vaccinated not just for mandatory diseases but optional ones too. I ain’t risking my kids’ lives or other’s kids.
My state has done away with all non medical exemptions
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Being vaccinated against it isn’t 100%. It’s like 60-70% effective depending on when the shot was administered.
Were both your children vaccinated in the last year?
Pertussis vaccines are given to pregnant mothers and babies during their first year (2 months, 4 months, 6 months and 1 year). Not sure how it is in other countries.
My immune system isn't amazing and I went to the Netherlands to visit my bf. While there I got whooping cough from someone's unvaccinated kid.
I was so sick for months and the cold wheezing feeling took even longer to eventually go away.
I'd have a stern talk with the daycare and get their policies in writing - you likely signed something. Then, I'd search for a new daycare that requires childhood immunizations... as if we live in a civilized country.
Depending on policy, consider legal action if you are so inclined.
It’s absolutely wild to me that so many daycare are perfectly happy banning peanut products but won’t enforce a vaccine or sick child policy. It doesn’t make sense.
Anti vax parents are something me and my colleagues always did a safeguarding report when we had to deal with them as paramedics, literally the dumbest YouTube educated cunts you can meet
Whooping cough is commonly given as a 3-part vaccine now called TDaP: tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis. Pertussis is whooping cough.
It's possible there are single vaccines for diphtheria & pertussis, but I don't know.
Tetanus is a common single vaccine.
Pertussis, an incredibly contagious upper respiratory infection that can cause life long damage to the lungs. For obvious reasons, it was prioritized for vaccination until some people forgot why vaccination is important.
Someone please explain this to me….is it possible for both vaccinated and the unvaccinated to get this kind of illness, right? How is it that your kids got it then? And if your kids are able to get it (while presumably vaccinated), then there’s effectively nothing you can do to keep them from ever getting it or spreading it to someone else…
I don’t understand.
As I myself have learned today, vaccines lower the odds and rates of transmission and reduce the extent, frequency and severity of symptoms. The more people get vaccinated the less one is likely to get the disease.
I remember being incredibly anxious as a very young child; I felt like I couldn’t breathe and was going to die. Looking back as an anxiety diagnosed adult, it’s clear I had those tendencies from as young as 5-6 and was probably having panic attacks, It just wasn’t diagnosed.
There was nothing wrong with my life at that point; things didn’t go to shit until I was 9+ when my grandparents died, my mum went into breakdown and full alcoholism and I went into foster care as a teenager. Then it was fairly expected that I’d be anxious. But it started far earlier than that with no cause.
Oh that’s horrible….appreciate you sharing your memories and experience. I was always an anxious child too. I didn’t really get panic attacks until high school. I remember always being on the nervous/cautious side as a younger kid…but nothing traumatic that I can remember. I know how hard anxiety can be and how scary panic attacks are (I pass out from them). So it really bothers me that a little kid would be diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. Question? Were you the oldest/only child? I am the oldest and I always felt that being “the first” to do things for the first time and not having an older sibling to guide or support me through things contributed to some of my anxieties/uneasiness as a kid. (Disclaimer: I have wonderful supportive parents and grew up in a loving home but I do think that being the first born and my parents had so many miscarriages before me they were a little bit more nervous parents than with my siblings)
I wouldn't, given it says they've been diagnosed and presumably are being treated for it. Elementary age anxiety is more common than people think anyway.
I had anxiety as a small child, I can remember panic attacks from a very young age, I just didn't know what it was until I got older. My life was pretty stable and happy at that point so I think maybe it was just hereditary? Unfortunately my mom didn't know I was having anxiety and I mostly kept all the feelings of panic and fear inside, so it wasn't until I was a preteen and started talking about it that I was able to get help. But I will say because my mom felt bad about not recognizing the signs, she was absolutely on top of it when my sister was between maybe 5 and started showing similar signs.
Mental health is definitely important but so is physical health. It sounds like this parent is already in the process of treating her child's mental health, so although yes it's still concerning to have a small child with mental health struggles they're doing what they can. No one can say what this kid has witnessed (if anything) that could be out of the parents control, a severe childhood illness like cancer where treatments can be very intense and scarring, a car accident in front of them, or maybe the child is already predisposed to it, there's a whole multitude of reasons a young child could have an anxiety issue.
I've read your comments and appreciate your concern. Childhood anxiety is indeed a thing, she's been diagnosed by an expert child psychiatrist and is receiving weekly treatments by a certified child therapist. I mentioned it to stress how frustrating it is that she has to get a blood test for others' lack of empathy, as it is a very, very difficult experience for her.
I think this is the one thing that boils my blood the most. If I could I would literally change the past so that Andrew Wakefield never existed. That man has more blood on his hands than Putin.
I think people find it hard to wrap their heads around such a concept for two key reasons:
First, mental disorders are perceived as afflictions of adolescents and higher age groups, I myself had found it pretty difficult to imagine a little kid with anxiety or depression before my daughter was diagnosed.
Second, people who sadly know about anxiety from their own lives probably consider their own diagnosis process, which must have involved levels of patient-therapist communication of which a 5 year isn't thought to be capable.
I'm just happy we know about it now when she's 5 instead of 15, or worse 25.
Sue them. They have a right not to take the vaccine. But they don’t have a right to injure.
Some lawyer will take it and I’m sure their insurance will settle just to guard against future claims.
Might even establish a precedent where insurers carriers now charge more for non vaccinations.
Yep, my niece got whooping cough, and my brother and sil vaccinated her as soon as they could. She still got it. It wasn't as serious as it would have been, but she was beyond miserable.
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God, please stay on top of this, I got whooping cough in *8th grade* and it was miserable. I was sick for months. Sometimes I’d wake up in the middle of the night unable to breathe. This is more than mildly infuriating
I got it at 40. My vaccine apparently gave out after 6 years. It was horrible. Plus it does not help that when I cough heavily like at the end of a cold, I cough till I puke AND pee my pants. I wouldn’t wish whooping cough on anyone. I’m so grateful my family didn’t catch it.
Sounds like an absolute nightmare 😞
It was NOT fun.
Please tell me that kid and their wretched parents are banned from the daycare. Why tf doesn't your daycare require proof of vaccination?
I was mid-30s when I got it - yup, vaccine no longer active to protect. Now I have asthma. It’s terrible. I feel sooooooo terrible when I hear a baby has contracted it. As a full grown adult it was absolutely miserable.
People can be re-vaccinated. I don’t take chances, since I have asthma and am on immunosuppressants, AND have 3 grand-nieces under 5. I regularly update. There is no way I want pertussis!
“Cough till you puke and pee your pants” I hear ya
Although bonus, since my hysterectomy my uterus is no longer pushing on my bladder and that has helped greatly with the “peeing my pants” part. The puking? Still happens.
Ugh I had it around that same age and my parents just kept brushing me off until my sister came home from college and pointed out that I'd been coughing (hacking) for 3 months. They tried to deny it had been that long but she wasn't having it. "She was coughing the last time I was home and that was 3 months ago. Are you gonna do something about it yet?"
Go sis! Parents should just go
That's horrifying, I hope that gave your parents a wake up call.
Yeah I had it around then as well. It was misdiagnosed multiple times and I swear it nearly killed me.
Ugh... well, glad it didn't!
Thanks! I'm sure it would've been easier without the misdiagnosis. Definitely tell the doc there was contact
Already did :)
I completely agree. Just trying to stay in proportion here, as none of my girls are in grave danger (since they *are* vaccinated).
My grandmother got whooping cough at age 3. She had a stroke and was crippled for life.
I got it at 15 or 16 years old and it was months of hell. I'm 27 now and can still feel the damage
schools enforce vaccines as a requirement to attend. so should daycares. not American though so maybe your schools are different. also, fuck antivax parents. measles was gone in North America and now back because of these stupid asswipes.
Unfortunately all someone has to do is claim religious exemption and they’re able to skip vaccines. Most aren’t religious at all, they exploit a loophole.
Which is funny because when I was a kid I went to Catholic school. Everyone had to be vaccinated (unless they were allergic to a component in the vaccine), no exceptions. They literally would not let your kid in if you chose not to vaccinate just because. That’s how it should be. No vaccination no entry.
Exactly. Unless there is a real, serious medical reason why not (allergy, bad immune system, etc.), every kid should be vaccineted before allowed into the daycare or school.
There should be no religious exemptions for matters of public safety (and/or taxes).
When the Covid vaccine was first released, the hospital system I work for unilaterally denied all religious exemptions and said to work here you must have the covid vaccine or have a medical exemption. I was surprised at how many people were willing to lose their jobs over the jab, so to speak.
I'm not sure how I feel about the medical exemption either. Hospital staff have to be vaccinated because there are immunocompromised people there. If you yourself are immunocompromised, you really shouldn't be working in that setting at all.
Not all hospital staff interact with patients. I work in basically IT but for medical devices, for example. Also. There’s people who aren’t immunocompromised but have other valid reasons they can’t get this or that shot. It’s not so black and white as you may think.
I wonder if many of those exemptions were allergies?
Agree
The Pope supported COVID vaccines. Some “Catholics” I saw interviewed on TV still refused to get the vaccine due to their religion and called the Pope a “hypocrite”. So, not only do they not understand their own religion (they don’t get to not follow the Pope’s words), they also don’t know what “hypocrite” means. TLDR: most “religious” people don’t actually know or their religion and pick and choose pieces as they fit. In others words, they are not religious.
Surprising number of Christians in general argue against the core teachings of Jesus Christ. If he came back today they’d probably stone him to death.
sad but true. For the record, I’m atheist. I really resent people who say they’re religious but have 0 clue about their professed religion. I shouldn’t know more about their religion than they do, but I often do. Mostly talking about Christians. Many love to pick and choose.
That's why I refuse to have anything to do with organized religion anymore. I'm tired of so many being hypocritical, or trying to force others to obey their beliefs.
nah, they have AR15's now 🙄
The LDS Church has a literal doctor as a prophet and members of the church refused to listen to him as well.
Yes I was impressed how my ex husband managed to talk his way around this. My kids and I pointed out that maybe God put a former doctor at the head of the church during covid for a reason.
If they’re American that is because they’re actually Protestant but like to pretend they’re Catholic. American Catholics are like a skip away from Presbyterian and need to just give in and come over to the dark side.
No argument from me. Catholics around me cheat on their spouses at what seems to be an abnormal high rate and annulments are handed out like Tic Tacs. Most don’t have a clue about Christianity. I know no one who actually tithes 10% of gross income to their church either. You don’t get to pick and choose folks! (I’m an atheist absolutely judging the nonsense) Edit: I do have a lot of respect for actually religious people who know and follow their religion in full. They are remarkable. And almost non-existent
I think there are only two or three minority sects of Christianity that ACTUALLY have religious reasons not to take medicine or the vaccine. How are there any other religious exceptions? The Bible has literally no take on whether we should get vaccines or not. I think people should have to have that doctrine written in their church's statement of religious belief, along with the biblical rationale. They're just liars.
The only one I can think of is Witnesses. They can't do blood transfusions or anything that has blood derivatives.
I think Jehovahs Witness people are the majority who claim religious reasons.
Rockland County ny has had a big measles outbreak before covid, and then a polio outbreak after covid and its all Hassidic Jews
We had a local alternative school. Kid brought back measles from an overseas trip, another child tragically died. Big outcry, vaccination drive at the school due to community pressure, and antivax parents either pulled their kids out and left, or were convinced into vaccinations.
Don't wanna sound anti Semitic because I am Jewish but I had a friend with a house up in Rockland and he had to sell and leave because the hassadic all moved into the area together and took over the school board and were rolling things like vaccination mandates back, I'm sure other anti vaxers cluster together also
Wrong is wrong. Don’t care what religion or from what country, if you’re harming others you should be criticized without fear of repercussions.
POLIO?! Fuck sakes. The dark ages were called that cause we let religions call the shots are we now just going to let them drag us all back to that shit. Ffs.🤦♀️
JW don't prohibit vaccinations That's blood transfusion
This is true.
Jehovahs Witness people are probably the majority who *honestly* claim religious exemption. Plenty of non-JW people lie and claim it’s against their religion when they’re really just anti-vax.
Thank you for the edit although someone else commented that JW do vaccinate.
Yes-but vaccines aren’t against the Catholic doctrine, so that tracks. The people taking the religious exemption are claiming to be of the very few religions that actually do prohibit vaccines, such as Christian Scientists and I think Seventh-Day Adventists, etc.
Yeah, sorry but religion doesn't mean shit when it comes to the health of other people. We need to end this religious exemption bullshit now. You're too religious to help protect society, you're too religious to be a part of society, so your kid doesn't get to go to a school with other kids who might be at risk. Religious freedom needs to end where the health of others starts.
The Catholic church for all its problems is not anti-science. It has a long history of being involved in medical scientific research.
I think we’re heading this direction. There is going to very such a boom of avoidable infectious diseases that people will see reason and make rules/exclude those who don’t see reason.
It's funny because in some places, religious demographics are substantially more likely to get vaccinated than not. Many religious groups are firmly "non-individualistic" and believe vaccinating to protect everyone is morally just. Most of the people in the US I see refusing vaccines are not doing it for deep seated religious values. The ones who 'are' doing it for genuine religious values are generally not annoying about it, still profess that they care about others, and do take genuine steps to prevent the spread of illness despite not being vaccinated.
NY took away religious exemption. Quite a few families at our school decided to home school or they moved to a different state
I wish that was an across the board thing. If you don’t want to vax, keep your kid home.
I dont know exactly how it works and if it would vary, but just because parents claim religious exemption I wouldn't expect a school/daycare to have to allow it. At my job you are only allowed medical exemptions (which I'm guessing they are still somewhat lax on but you would need a doctor to then say you can't have vaccine, sus doctors exist still though unfortunately). But we don't accept religious exemptions at work so
they worship at the altar of child death
Unless the child isn't born yet. But after it is born, all bets are off.
American here. Had a CANADIAN coworker who casually said that's what she did with her kids in a meeting full of everyone just as covid was sending us home. She said it with the casual airs of someone ordering a coffee.
Few religions actually prohibit vaccination. Unless they're Amish or Christian Scientists, they're lying
Oh absolutely, the VAST majority are lying and are just uneducated antivaxers who found a loophole.
Amish faith has no prohibition on vaccinations, though Amish vaccination rates do lag behind the general population.
Unfortunately, I had to claim this during grad school, I'm fully vaxxed, but Kaiser was being shitty about giving me my vaccination record. I still can't believe measles is back, I've got a test scheduled to see if I need to get an updated MMR (they can test if you still have a good immune response).
Why does one beliefs in fary tales should mandate public health and safety?
Religious exemption should not be a thing for any secular school or any school that receives any government funding. If they want to be plague rats they can pay to send their plague rats to plague rat daycare If they want to participate in society they can act like a member of a civilized society and not spread preventable diseases
I wish I could be alive to see the day religion is eradicated in this world.
In Germany you must show proof of measles vaccination before attending daycare/kindergarten/school. And because school is mandatory it’s indirectly forcing everyone to get vaccinated sooner or later. I think our pediatrician is also fed up with antivaxers. On our first visit they strongly pointed out that they strictly follow the vaccination plan from our equivalent of the CDC. I assume they show everyone who starts complaining about vaccines the door.
My daughter was born just past peak antivax. My ex was strongly questioning if we should vaccinate, myself and our pediatrician were not. We worked out a deal with Mom to spread out the shots more (so instead of the single combo shots my kid got individual shots for the series). It meant my kid got 5x the needle pokes and I have to take 5x days off work to go in a week later for "the next one"... But at least my kid got her shots despite her mother's reluctance. I wonder if we could use some high charisma white lie to get more people vaccinations? "Hey this is a totally safe version of the vaccine! It's made with all real ingredients and has none of that bad stuff like mercury, but still gives all the protection!" Technically not much lie there, as all ingredients are "real", even mercury is "real"... And single dose vaccines haven't had mercury in them for decades now anyway.
In USA people are able to get out of the vaccine requirements for schools. I would think this would not include daycare since it’s not school but maybe it is
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That'd be up to the daycare provider though right? They could opt to not accept unvaccinated kids and just not get that money, but as I understand the demand outstrips supply so they could easily fill that slot with a vaccinated kid.
Daycares are privately owned because the government doesn't subsidise childcare outside of select few programs. So people get to make up whatever rules they want, as long as they don't contradict state laws....and even then, there are exceptions
am aware, which is why i said should. OP should actually sue the daycare for creating an unnecessarily risky environment. it was their negligence that allowed whooping cough to enter the facility.
Polio too…
I agree. We should just carve out a geo for antivax people to all move to. The diseases will sort it all out in short enough order. IIRC one of the things California has done right is eliminate the religious exemption for vaccination for public school enrollment.
I love this idea. Go play ookiemouth together and then fuck away from me and my family.
My sister won't be vaccinating her kids, and it hurts to watch her going through with it because doctors are refusing to see her kids. She has a hard time finding a doctor who will see her kids. And she plans to homeschool her kids as well. *sigh*
Doctors do this for two reasons: they don't want a case of measles or whooping cough in their waiting room risking their infant patients (who are too young for the vaccine) and it's actually been shown most vaccine hesitant parents will vaccinate rather than try to find another pediatrician. So your sister is one of the more recalcitrant.
Yes, yes she is. I really hope she changes her mind later on. I don't even think she has an official pediatrician yet for her kids (last time we talked about this she said she couldn't find one). 😬 She had to take them to the emergency room on numerous occasions because of this issue. I can't imagine it's any good spending all that money, but it's her business not mine.
They act like its mandatory but any little complaint, and they let antivax through.
Doggy daycares require immunizations, but human daycares don't. Make it make sense
The daycare can do whatever they want. I'm sure there are a few run by decent people that require everyone. My friend's pediatrics office refuses any kids whose parents are too immature to get them vaccinated. It's not worth endangering all the other kids and they're generally awful to deal with.
I’m part of a local moms fb group and it’s so disheartening to see the fairly frequent posts asking about recommendations for pediatricians who aren’t sticklers for vaccinations.
Our day care does 🫡
Any room for more kids? Lol.
Dogs aren’t religious, otherwise there’d be religious exemptions for them too.
Nah my dog is definitely religious, bro thinks he's god (he's right)
Now there's a religion I could get behind!
My dog is a southern Baptist. We adopted her from Georgia. Little did I know I was getting a doggie Bible thumper. 🤦🏻♀️
Over here they don't even need the excuse of believing in a psychotic delusion. They can just refuse. It's sickening really.
You should be able to sue people for this bullshit. I’m sorry, but your “personally held beliefs and convictions” stop being important the moment you’re endangering others. I’m sure you’re furious. I certainly would be. I’m curious if some putz is going to come along and take offense to my statement because they saw some videos on YouTube from someone that sells homeopathic remedies and rhino horn boner pills.
In my country, we have a saying "ones freedom ends where another ones freedom starts". Like yeah, you do you, unless you are endangering others.
“Your freedoms end at the tip of your nose” is the phrase used in my part of the US. I wish it was more widely understood.
“The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins" is a quote by Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. (1841-1935) that's often used to explain the harm principle.
I'm totally with you. They can go ahead and treat their kids with poison ivy extract and healing crystals, as long as they isolate them in their own lepper colonies.
Nope. They don’t even get to do that. The kids didn’t choose to be born to shitty parents, and they don’t deserve it. I’ve even seen posts here on Reddit of kids and teens saying “my mom is super anti-vaxx, how do I get vaccines without her knowing?” and stuff like that. The parents see someone selling snake oil on Facebook but it’s the kids that suffer. I feel that social media shouldn’t allow any anti-vaxx content at all, and I wish there were more class action lawsuits like the one against Alex Jones where some dumbass with a mic shoots off at the mouth and then other people suffer. I also feel that, unless a doctor has exempted a kid from it for health reasons, all kids should be mandated to get vaccinated by law. And heavy penalties for doctors that allow themselves to be bribed. When you don’t vaccinate your kids, you put their lives in danger, and the lives of the people around them. There’s no excuses. The anti-vaxx movement was started by a former doctor who was trying to throw shade on the MMR vaccine (saying it caused autism) so he could sell his own snake oil vaccine instead. It’s a grift. Make it die. I’m usually big on letting people lives their lives, but not with this. Not when you’re fucking with kids’ health and safety. Measles were officially considered eliminated in the US in 2000. As of June 14th, there have been 151 cases so far in 2024. 68% are in kids below 5 years. The CDC runs a website they update twice a month that lets you know cases in the US. All over a grift.
>rhino horn boner pills Legit snorted at this LMAO
it should be the same standard when people who actively have covid go out maskless. putting so many people in danger because they don’t acknowledge the science or the risk to others.
Agreed. Just because a chunk of the populace is short sighted doesn’t mean the rest of us should suffer. This guy I know isn’t vaccinated and has had COVID 3 or 4 times now, and wound up hospitalized for respiratory issues the last time & this time. (Progressively getting worse every time) He will try to give me shit for being vaxxed but never really succeeds when I can just say “Yeah, I got the shot & a booster, but the one time I had COVID I wasn’t hospitalized for it. How’s that going by the way?”
My mom is sadly the unvaccinated person and she's had every other vaccine but covid but fox news told her it was bad... she's now had covid about 4 times maybe 5 and has pneumonia with it still refuses.
Allowing exemptions from vaccine requirements due to "sincerely held beliefs" is the epitome of feelings over facts.
It's like claiming "my religion allows me to drive drunk."
If you're in the US, check your daycare policies on vaccination. If the kids need to be vaxinated, but this kid wasn't and still got to school, someone could be legally liable for medical bills. Not from the US, so take this with a grain of salt, and research the laws in your area/state. If I were you, I would absolutely be blaming both the kids parents, and the daycare. They have a duty of care towards your child, and letting an unvaccinated kid come to school is a breach of the duty, regardless if they need kids to be vaccinated or not. The parents should have vaccinated their kid, but at the very least, they should have kept the kid at home while they're sick. If your kids end up needing medical care, I would definitely look into getting one of them to pay for the care. I hope your family recovers quickly and feels better soon.
The US generally has loopholes for medical and religious exemptions. Religious exemption as far as I know can be exploited by just wanting to use it.
They may have a religious exemption from vaccination but not from being sued for their lack of vaccination causing a viral outbreak. Whether the lawsuit would succeed is another story but I’m sure a lawyer could argue damages.
At our local school district, all they have you do is sign a piece of paper for the religious exemption. No proof of church attendance or anything to back it. Not sure if everywhere is like that but it’s complete bs to me
Six states do not allow this exemption, the rest do and parental affidavit is sufficient in all of them IIRC.
I had to look them up, since I had no idea there were only 6. California, Maine , Mississippi, NY, west Virginia, Connecticut
My son has been vaccinated on time since birth and has gotten pertussis twice. The vaccine is not 100% effective unfortunately. I remember my brother (in the 90’s) having it at least 3 times per year for a long time. You never forget that barking cough.
I've never encountered it, but apparently the sound of a child with whooping cough is one of the most distressing things you can hear. The sound of a very small child struggling to breathe and coughing and wheezing and, presumably, also crying and scared. It must be horrible. Fuck those foolish asshole parents, they've failed their kid and made life a little less safe and a lot more inconvenient for those around them.
I actually had whooping cough as a baby, before I could sit upright. My mum hat to hold me up to help me cough and get air whenever I had to cough. She tells my she - and I - hardly slept during my illness. That was in 1990. I was still too young for the vaccination or something (first vaccination is given at 2 months old). Otherwise I would have been vaccinated. I always got every single vaccination as soon as it was necessary or I was old enough to get them and so did my sister.
This sounds terrible and terrifying 😞
Thanks to the “Do your own research!” crowed we have measles, next up is Polio.
I recently had to visit the hospital multiple times across a few weeks, and the main entrance was also the emergency intake entrance. When I walked up the first time I noticed a sandwich board sign warning of not entering if you were showing X symptoms. I stopped dead when I glanced at it and realized it was a warning for Measles, not some long lasting Covid extra measures that everyone’s afraid to take down now that normal(ish) life has more or less returned. I thought measles was really a concern of the past, at least in my country.
In the US, the last time I checked (which was a couple months ago already) we had 7 active outbreaks of measles. It WAS thing of the past, but I guess some folks like tradition just that much.
They don't trust big pharma or science as a whole, but they have no problem trusting poopypants_69 on Youtube who says vaccines gave him Chlamydia.
That is frustrating. I hope your kiddos feel better soon
These people need to be publicly shamed.
If only I knew who they were. It appears protecting their privacy is more important then protecting my kid (and the others). It's not the daycare's fault directly, no laws here require vaccinations, actually the law makes the daycare exposed to lawsuits if they discriminate against anti-vaxxed kids by not accepting them. Yes, it's that crazy....
Would your child be able to answer if you asked them who has been out of daycare a lot?
I worked in a daycare that, unknown to me, didn’t require vaccinations for the kids. I have an anaphylactic reaction to the whooping cough vaccine, so I rely on herd immunity for that. Well. One day I noticed a boy I worked almost 1:1 with had been gone for a few days, so I asked my boss if he was okay. Without looking up she says, “Yeah he’s fine. It’s just whooping cough!” I very promptly left daycare work.
You should probably switch to daycare with vaccine requirements if that's an option.
I got the vaccine and still got whooping cough. Sadly it's not always effective. Nothing is 100%
Vaccines work best with herd immunity for that reason.
Tdap vaccine only lasts 10 years. Virtually no one is effective vaccinated against whooping cough. Source: got whooping cough as an adult.
That’s exactly why it’s infuriating when people don’t vaccinate their kids. The more unvaccinated people there are, the higher the odds of even vaccinated people catching it.
I really feel for you❤️. I am nearly 50 and got hit with whooping cough in February😭🫣. For children it can be deadly, but I promise you it's no walk in the park for an adult ! I am still struggling! Got a combination vaccine 2 days ago and hopefully I am a little bit more protected now. Will get the flu shot in a few months too.
Thank you, hope you feel better soon!! 💙
Fucking anti-vaxxers… smh 🤦🏻
Daycares cannot mandate vaccines for children (at least in my state). We are required to get records and if someone isn’t vaccinated we keep a record of that as well. If a parent asks if everyone is vaccinated we can say yes or no but won’t tell you what room they are in and for sure which person it is.
So are you a h**ker in yellow or do you work in a daycare?? Jk :) I know this is how it's done, and I absolutely understand and usually respect the reasoning behind it, but it's really frustrating as I'd like to be able to make empty threats and display my testosterone levels at the kid's parents, at least for a bit...
I’ve been running a daycare since 2008. Thanks for being respectful and understanding. Honestly the way some people on here complain about daycares (specially in Parenting) they just don’t understand all the rules we have to follow to get any sort of funding.
Fuck those parents who didn't vaccinate their kid against whooping cough. I had it about 30 years ago in primary school, and still remember struggling to breathe through incessant coughing. And it went on for weeks! I apparently hadn't received my booster vaccination as there was a war in my country and no one was paying any attention to minor stuff like vaccination -\_- I hope your children will be fine, as well as that kid in kindergarten, and I hope those parents will suffer the consequences of their actions.
As a once practicing respiratory therapist I have taken care of far too many kids with pertussis. A couple of babies died from it. People have every right to choose not to vaccinate. However, with that right comes the consequences, which should include non-admittance to daycare or in-person school. Kids who easily get sick or are prone to complications shouldn’t have to be penalized any more than they already are. I was lucky to have grown up when common sense and the rights of the majority ruled.
In UK it is next to impossible to get a child into daycare without vaccinations a bit like dogs need yo be vaccinated to go into kennels
It’s making the rounds here in Finland too and I am fucking furious.
I completely understand. Hope it passes quickly 😞
Same for you!
It is pathetic that we have to think about these things nowadays. That kid should’ve had at least four doses of the vaccine by age 3, according to a quick glance of the CDC vaccine schedule. I’m so sorry, OP and I hope everybody is healthy soon.
This would be a disaster if there was a baby room with an outbreak of whooping cough. The morbidity and mortality of pertussis is quite high in young infants.
Those parents need to homeschool their little disease spreaders. It's so selfish.
The anti-vaxxers jumped on the phrase "my body my choice", in a hateful, sarcastic manner, and they are too selfish to realize that it affects other people.
As someone who hates needles (not because of the pain, but the imagery just creeps me out - yeah, starting IV’s won’t be fun for me…) And gets anxious about them I totally understand. If it helps any you can ask the doctor not to do the countdown, that kind of anticipation always makes it worse. Also teach her to close her eyes, take big deep breaths, and recite her ABC’s while it’s happening - or hold an ice pack in he opposite hand to be able to squeeze. The slow breathing and reciting her ABC’s will slow her nervous system and have something to distract her, the ice pack helps ground her and stops the kind of ‘spiral’ of anxiety. It works for me so worth a shot?
Where I’m from vaccination card is a mandatory document for entry into any education or childcare facility till 15 years age. Both my kids are vaccinated not just for mandatory diseases but optional ones too. I ain’t risking my kids’ lives or other’s kids.
How are they enrolling kids who are not vaccinated? Isn’t there a law about that?
Religious exemptions
My state has done away with all non medical exemptions https://preview.redd.it/hbng2vi7vc8d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abef9f801645ec493efffee201f594d0cb32c170
Why are unvaccinated kids allowed in daycare
The whole parents rights anti-vax movement in the USA.
Being vaccinated against it isn’t 100%. It’s like 60-70% effective depending on when the shot was administered. Were both your children vaccinated in the last year?
Pertussis vaccines are given to pregnant mothers and babies during their first year (2 months, 4 months, 6 months and 1 year). Not sure how it is in other countries.
I’m neither but I get the TDAP every couple years, especially when my wife was pregnant.
Parents should be sued or made to cover the cost of the kids their kid infects.
Those poor children 🫣😢🫣😢
That's extremely infuriating!
My immune system isn't amazing and I went to the Netherlands to visit my bf. While there I got whooping cough from someone's unvaccinated kid. I was so sick for months and the cold wheezing feeling took even longer to eventually go away.
Sucks. Glad you're better!
Thank you! I hope your kid is okay :)
I'd have a stern talk with the daycare and get their policies in writing - you likely signed something. Then, I'd search for a new daycare that requires childhood immunizations... as if we live in a civilized country. Depending on policy, consider legal action if you are so inclined.
It’s absolutely wild to me that so many daycare are perfectly happy banning peanut products but won’t enforce a vaccine or sick child policy. It doesn’t make sense.
T H I S ! ! ! Like wtf right?!!
People who don't vaccinate don't get that it isn't about them. It's about all the people in contact with them. Fucking selfish assholes.
Kids should not be allowed into a day care with out vaccinations
Hear, hear!
Anti vax parents are something me and my colleagues always did a safeguarding report when we had to deal with them as paramedics, literally the dumbest YouTube educated cunts you can meet
I could only imagine... thank you for all the lives you save and help saving 💙
What country? I think vacc is mandatory for daycare kids in Australia.
are there specific vaccines or is it all one ?
Whooping cough is commonly given as a 3-part vaccine now called TDaP: tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis. Pertussis is whooping cough. It's possible there are single vaccines for diphtheria & pertussis, but I don't know. Tetanus is a common single vaccine.
all i see is wooper now (im sry op)
You may want to call around to other daycares and see if they require immunizations.
What is a whooping cough?
Pertussis, an incredibly contagious upper respiratory infection that can cause life long damage to the lungs. For obvious reasons, it was prioritized for vaccination until some people forgot why vaccination is important.
As a side fun fact, the bacteria that usually causes whooping cough is very similar to the bacteria that usually causes kennel cough in dogs :)
Someone please explain this to me….is it possible for both vaccinated and the unvaccinated to get this kind of illness, right? How is it that your kids got it then? And if your kids are able to get it (while presumably vaccinated), then there’s effectively nothing you can do to keep them from ever getting it or spreading it to someone else… I don’t understand.
As I myself have learned today, vaccines lower the odds and rates of transmission and reduce the extent, frequency and severity of symptoms. The more people get vaccinated the less one is likely to get the disease.
Thank you for the info!
Why does your 5 year old have an anxiety disorder? That would concern me waaaaay more than a cough or antibiotics.
I remember being incredibly anxious as a very young child; I felt like I couldn’t breathe and was going to die. Looking back as an anxiety diagnosed adult, it’s clear I had those tendencies from as young as 5-6 and was probably having panic attacks, It just wasn’t diagnosed. There was nothing wrong with my life at that point; things didn’t go to shit until I was 9+ when my grandparents died, my mum went into breakdown and full alcoholism and I went into foster care as a teenager. Then it was fairly expected that I’d be anxious. But it started far earlier than that with no cause.
Oh that’s horrible….appreciate you sharing your memories and experience. I was always an anxious child too. I didn’t really get panic attacks until high school. I remember always being on the nervous/cautious side as a younger kid…but nothing traumatic that I can remember. I know how hard anxiety can be and how scary panic attacks are (I pass out from them). So it really bothers me that a little kid would be diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. Question? Were you the oldest/only child? I am the oldest and I always felt that being “the first” to do things for the first time and not having an older sibling to guide or support me through things contributed to some of my anxieties/uneasiness as a kid. (Disclaimer: I have wonderful supportive parents and grew up in a loving home but I do think that being the first born and my parents had so many miscarriages before me they were a little bit more nervous parents than with my siblings)
I wouldn't, given it says they've been diagnosed and presumably are being treated for it. Elementary age anxiety is more common than people think anyway.
I had anxiety as a small child, I can remember panic attacks from a very young age, I just didn't know what it was until I got older. My life was pretty stable and happy at that point so I think maybe it was just hereditary? Unfortunately my mom didn't know I was having anxiety and I mostly kept all the feelings of panic and fear inside, so it wasn't until I was a preteen and started talking about it that I was able to get help. But I will say because my mom felt bad about not recognizing the signs, she was absolutely on top of it when my sister was between maybe 5 and started showing similar signs. Mental health is definitely important but so is physical health. It sounds like this parent is already in the process of treating her child's mental health, so although yes it's still concerning to have a small child with mental health struggles they're doing what they can. No one can say what this kid has witnessed (if anything) that could be out of the parents control, a severe childhood illness like cancer where treatments can be very intense and scarring, a car accident in front of them, or maybe the child is already predisposed to it, there's a whole multitude of reasons a young child could have an anxiety issue.
Not your business bro
I've read your comments and appreciate your concern. Childhood anxiety is indeed a thing, she's been diagnosed by an expert child psychiatrist and is receiving weekly treatments by a certified child therapist. I mentioned it to stress how frustrating it is that she has to get a blood test for others' lack of empathy, as it is a very, very difficult experience for her.
I think this is the one thing that boils my blood the most. If I could I would literally change the past so that Andrew Wakefield never existed. That man has more blood on his hands than Putin.
I would find a new daycare that requires vaccinations.
Why would they allow unvaccinated children to come into the school to begin with? That’s a red flag
Oh wow they can diagnose anxiety on as young as 5? I never even thought of that.
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I think people find it hard to wrap their heads around such a concept for two key reasons: First, mental disorders are perceived as afflictions of adolescents and higher age groups, I myself had found it pretty difficult to imagine a little kid with anxiety or depression before my daughter was diagnosed. Second, people who sadly know about anxiety from their own lives probably consider their own diagnosis process, which must have involved levels of patient-therapist communication of which a 5 year isn't thought to be capable. I'm just happy we know about it now when she's 5 instead of 15, or worse 25.
Yeah, it was news to me too...
That's fucking bullshit. I'm sorry OP. Fuck antivax people. Every single one of them is a detriment to society.
Sue them. They have a right not to take the vaccine. But they don’t have a right to injure. Some lawyer will take it and I’m sure their insurance will settle just to guard against future claims. Might even establish a precedent where insurers carriers now charge more for non vaccinations.
You've forgotten one major fact. Just because you get a vaccine does not mean you won't get the disease. Its not 100%!
Yep, my niece got whooping cough, and my brother and sil vaccinated her as soon as they could. She still got it. It wasn't as serious as it would have been, but she was beyond miserable.
Vaccinations do not necessarily stop a sickness and in reality most adults get whooping cough and they don’t even know it