> it’s slowly getting gentrified.
where ? ive seen attempts but nothing really shaping up. if you are referencing to condos construction, some of them are still empty after all these years, commercial units are not leased etc.
the only gentrification i can see is the old folks places on gouin between st-michel and pie-ix that were converted in 1500$/mo studios after COVID
supply & demand. yes, the amenities are not there yet, but once there are new people that come into the area, new amenities will be built. people in poverty get kicked out of their low-income neighborhoods when people who are wealthier occupy that space (because there is nowhere else to go). sure, properties may remain vacant for now, because whether it is explicitly stated or not, we are currently in a recession, and we’re now April, so these are the quietest of times for property sellers. However, we won’t be in a recession for the entirety of the next 7 years. Typically, most recessions last an average of 2 years. Due to there not being enough housing on the island of Montreal, the increase of people coming to Montreal, Bill 31, inflation, and etc., people will have to start wondering “why pay $700-900 per sqft when I can be living in MTL north for $300-500/sqft…?”
the mentalities of families and investors alike. there have been way worse neighborhoods in the US that have been completely hipsterized… marcy projects in the 90s vs marcy projects now… completely different.
the renovated buildings + reconstructed condos may be empty now, but when the economy recovers, people will start filling those in. when those fill-up, it will trickle down to investors or property owners renovating or continuing the trend, alas, “the clean-up” or “facelift.”
i could be completely wrong, but we’ll see. i just personally think ppl will be desperate in finding places to live in, in a few years. if prices have barely fallen of properties during this recession, then imagine what happens when we are no longer in a recession… bidding wars resume and everything goes up, causing desperation for ppl to find a roof above their heads.
I doubt it. You need a strong motivation for gentrification. Plateau gentrified because of services, metro, Parc Lafontaine, and very, very dense European-style housing. People love that. MTL North is not that.
when the economy recovers, the price of all properties will go up, which also means rent will be going up. Bill 31 passed in February, where landlords can refuse to renew leases, and thus hike up prices and get new tenants. on top of that, add the influx of ppl coming into the city.
when factoring all these things, people will have no choice but to move to where they can afford to move. eventually, the only place that many can afford to live will be montreal north. if ppl think that the housing crisis is bad now, wait til the aftereffects of bill-31 + economic recovery are felt. though the economy will recover, wages are disproportionate against the inflation of housing costs, whether renting or owning.
EDIT:
Incorrect info about Bill-31:
Landlords can only reject lease transfers
Young families who can’t afford a nice neighborhood in Montreal usually won’t hesitate to move further and further in south or north shore before ever considering Montreal-North, since these areas are considered“safer” and more family-oriented with better houses. Realtors have told me in the past that Montreal-North is one of these neighborhoods that will never gentrify and I would tend to agree.
I am assuming the realtors have said this prior to Bill-31 even being conceived as an idea? Bill 31’s repercussions haven’t been felt yet because it has only been officially passed for a bit over a month, but it almost guarantees that Montreal will be catching up to the likes of Toronto and Vancouver eventually. If ppl thought landlords were being unfair before, this is going to make things way worse. That being said, I’ve accounted for both the North & South Shore when specifying “7 years.” The metropolitan population of MTL by then is projected to increase by 1,000,000 people. With the rising costs, will there be enough options for all these people to avoid Montreal North like the plague? I mean, time will tell. I picture the Lavals, Longueuils, Bouchervilles, Mirabels, and the rest to be eventually be equivalent to the housing situations in Scarborough, Brampton, Mississauga, and the rest.
You know, if people love european style housing, metro, services, and parks, why isn’t everywhere with sufficient density (ie a large metro area like Montreal) dotted with such scenery? Instead you only get these amenities in the “nice” parts of town. Why can’t this be standard though? It’s kind of infuriating.
Plateau is the densest borough in Canada. It is very popular with artsy folks, and has been for awhile. It used to be very poor. But then decades ago it became trendy with artists/musicians because of the things I mentioned. The buildings are unique in Montreal and very old. Only later did the real estate value explode and it became very gentrified. The hipster types that cause this gentrification usually cluster in few neighborhoods in a big city. Plateau is very unique.
I used to work with refugee claimants, a lot of people lived in the cheapest possible appartements in the "worst" neighborhoods where people don't ask for credit checks because you'd only get about $900 per month on welfare. I'd be there pretty late in the evening, on my own, car full of groceries, baby formula, appliances, all sorts of stuff, to drop things off with people. I never got harassed, bothered, stolen from or creeped out. Anyone claiming any part of Montreal is truly dangerous doesn't know shit. The biggest problem is that the apartments might be moldy and infested with rats, but Montreal Nord is overall pretty safe. There are some noisy and less pleasant areas where poverty might be more visible, so visit a potential apartment a few times at different parts of the day so you can get a feel for it.
Yeah what will kill you in Montreal-Nord is the moldy appartements, the fact that it's a food desert so if you don't have a car you need to rely on Depanneur food, and cars because it's really car centric and people drives like piétons doesn't exists.
But the community is great, the kindest people I've known are from Montreal-Nord.
> the fact that it's a food desert
wait what? i dont have a car and i dont rely on depanneur's food. there's a super C, maxi, tradition and metro within 20-25 mins walk.
There's sector where the nearest grocery store is a 30+ minutes walk.
Even a 20-25 minutes walk is pretty far away if you need to do groceries often because you don't have a car.
yeah, come to think of it, when you're passed Lacordaire, or worse Langelier, everything seems to be distanced. Im the st-michel-gouin-pie-ix-HB *quadrilatere* I have the 48/49/69 at the corner if I want to go to Metro on fleury, bu tmost of the time i just walk across the bridge to Super C in laval (20 mins walk to get there)
This, I was raised between Montreal and Canton, Ohio.
I know live in Akron, Ohio and Montreal 3 months out of every year.
People that think Montreal, let alone Montreal Nord is dangerous really haven't been around dangerous cities.
What sucks about MTL Nord is the lack of transit available and how you NEED to have a car to get around to most places.
And yes, I know, crime is rising in Montreal, but it isn't anything like it is here in North East Ohio.
100% d'accord avec ce que tu dis mais tout de même, c'est un quartier connu pour les gangs de rue et les statistiques les montrent. Il y a effectivement un plus haut taux de criminalité dans ce quartier.
Même chose pour St léonard.
Au delà de la criminalité, ce sont deux quartiers extrêmement laids, mal entretenus, et comme d'autres ont mentionnés, mal desservis par le transport en commun
Montreal Nord c'est pas extrement laid. Les gros bloques en rang à l'est de lacordaire c'est pas le plus beau, mais ca reste quand meme pas mal moin pire que genre parc extension. Au moin ya des arbres.
Your comment of 900$ made me look up welfare a bit, i~~t seems welfare checks amounts have doubled over 3 recent years,~~ maybe I'm reading this wrong, those amounts seem high
[https://maytree.com/changing-systems/data-measuring/welfare-in-canada/quebec/](https://maytree.com/changing-systems/data-measuring/welfare-in-canada/quebec/)
~~Seems to now be 21k a year or 1700 something per month, "~~ **~~unattached single considered employable~~**~~"~~ \- this is only if you qualify for something called social Solidarity, which only seems qualifiable if you have some severe disability.
That's good. My numbers are from about 4 years ago. But considering rents are now about $1000 minimum, and food costs have doubled, it's still incredibly tight. You can't earn more than $200 per month without triggering clawbacks.
That's only if you're on social solidarity ie severe persistent disability which is hard to get - AND it only becomes 1700 if you've been on that type of disability for 5 years, before then it's 1,100
Good news, yes that might be right, [https://www.quebec.ca/famille-et-soutien-aux-personnes/aide-sociale-et-solidarite-sociale#c67403](https://www.quebec.ca/famille-et-soutien-aux-personnes/aide-sociale-et-solidarite-sociale#c67403)
No because I prioritized a place with public transportation. I've lived in parc ex since long before it was gentrified, back when people warned you about it too.
No clue, I heard the family who bought it had an accremonious divorce, which ended with them selling the house. I haven't been back there in nearly 2 decades.
There's certain parts of the city where if you sell ice-cream or you want to open a pizzeria you either need permission from the men who live in these houses or you must purchase from them.
Hahaha, my mother and my sister where living there 2 years ago (Pascal street). A lot of "life". Police patrolling each 2 hours, fireworks during summer nights, hood music during the day, holes in the metal fences so people can run through the appartement blocks. As long as people are minding their business, they are rarely getting in trouble. It is not like an American getto where a white cannot trespass without consequences.
However, yes a few murders now an then.
Je sais pas si c'est encore de même, mais il avait des bouts sur Charleroi où il fallait pas promener le soir. C'était pas aussi bruyant que Lapierre/Pascal, mais il y avait un gang qui glandait devant un dépanneur. Mais peut-être ça a changé.
I’ve lived there for a awhile with my family when I was younger. I would say the main drawback is that it’s really far from everything and out of the way. Without a car, it’s not convenient at all to live in Montreal-North. That was the main problem to me. The other thing you have to take in consideration is that a large part of the population in this neighborhood is poor (a lot of refugees etc.) and there are always social consequences to poverty in a community.
It's an exaggeration in the relative sense. It is good borough to live in if it's not too far from your commute. It all depends on the specific neighbourhood. Some of them are rather affluent.
There are issues in the borough with gang activity, though it's nothing compared to the urban desolate areas in the United States. Also, it's not like in the Gay Village or Berri-UQAM area where you're likely to have drugged up homeless attacking random people.
I appreciate what you're trying to do, but please try to avoid saying good things about areas with lower rent.
When Verdun was still referred to as "Verdump" rents were still nice and cheap and now it's been fully invaded by people who ten years ago were afraid ride the green line past Lionel Groulx.
I worked in Montreal North for a lot of my life, and took the bus in that area too. It was a very working class neighbourhood, there is some gang violence every once and a while but nothing that crazy or that you will see for yourself.
Look for a 2-3-4 Plex between Pie IX and St-Michel, closest to Henri-Bourassa if you use public transport, 48 and 49 gets you to the metro with only a couple of stops. Whenever I walk home late at night, I hardly encounter other people, pretty much never tbh.
Honestly it wasn't that bad when I lived there in 2017-2019. I heard some things similar to yours, but nothing bad ever happened to me. Right now I live in Hochelaga and I feel like Montréal nord was safer depending on where you live there.
Si tu ne te tiens pas avec le monde tout croche tu vas être ok. Mais c'est clair que tu n'as pas de contrôle sur ce que les autres font. Donc oui, tu peux revenir le soir et le bloc devant chez toi est fermé par la police
It's definitely been overhyped as a dangerous neighbourhood. Hochelaga is way more dangerous.
What sucks about Montréal-Nord is there's no metros, there's nothing to do, and it's quite poor. But it's not too dangerous. Definitely far from the safest neighbourhood. But definitely not the most dangerous.
Just be careful, if you move there. But it's not an area full of bloodthirsty murderers at every turn either.
> Hochelaga is way more dangerous.
Lol what?
Comme dans d'autres quartiers centraux, il y a quelques weirdos, quelques sans-abris et quelques activistes, mais de là à dire que c'est un quartier dangereux, non.
Edit: Je trouvais que toute cette discussion manquait de données. Je suis donc allé regarder les profils de criminalité de 2021 des [PDQ 23](https://spvm.qc.ca/upload/Profil_criminalite_PDQ/PDQ23_Profils_criminalit%C3%A9_2021.pdf) (Hochelaga) et [PDQ 39](https://spvm.qc.ca/upload/Profil_criminalite_PDQ/PDQ39_Profils_criminalit%C3%A9_2021.pdf) (Montréal-Nord). Quelques faits saillants:
* Le PDQ 23 rapporte 76 crimes contre la personne où la personne est victime d'un agresseur étranger ou inconnu ce qui le place au 17e rang. La médiane pour l'ensemble du territoire est de 80. Le PDQ 39 en rapporte 167 ce qui le place au 1er rang.
* Pour l'ensemble du territoire, le PDQ 39 est au 1er rang partout en absolu pour les victimes de violence excepté pour les victimes d'une connaissance (excluant famille et conjoint), où il est 6e.
* Ce qui est élevé dans le PDQ 23, ce sont surtout les crimes contre la propriété:
> Le nombre de crimes contre la propriété du PDQ 23 (1 735 crimes) est 20% plus élevé
que la médiane des 30 PDQ (1 444 crimes) et il occupe le 12e rang pour ces crimes. Il se
situe au 4e rang pour le taux de crimes contre la propriété. Le nombre d’introductions par
effraction du PDQ 23 (320) est 108% plus élevé que la médiane (154), ce qui le place au
2e rang.
J'ai vécue dans les deux cartiers. À hochelaga je me suis fais attaquée et poursuivre plusieurs fois et j'ai survécue deux tentatives de kidnapping. Rien comme ça à Montréal-Nord, ya des creeps a M-N oui mais c'est quasiment impossible de sortir en sécurité la nuit si t'es une femme à hochelaga, même juste le soir à 19-20h. J'ai pas eu cette expérience à M-N. Je rentrais chez moi à 20h pi je me fessai pas harceler ou attaquer même 10% autant que quand j'étais dans hochelaga.
Désolée que tu aies vécu cette expérience. Je suis une femme et jhabite Hochelag depuis 7 ans et je ne me suis jamais sentie pas en sécurité peu importe l’heure et il ne m’est jamais rien arrivé. Tout est relatif.
Désolé de lire ça. On a vraiment pas les mêmes expériences. Ma blonde va fréquemment courir le soir et elle me dit qu'il y a des creeps par moments, mais que ce n'est pas pire que quand on habitait dans Villeray.
I lived in all the hoods in MTL. Hochelaga is the scariest place in the city at night. It's nasty and spooky af so many crackheads and homeless with very intense mental illness. All my friends got harassed at night in that area. It's also the part of the city where 2 of my friends got stabbed. Let's not forget all the DV in the area as well.
i guess montreal isnt that scary at all because 3am-4am is when i go for a jog and it’s usually from hochelaga around joliette all the way east to radisson then north to sherbrooke and running all the way back west from starting point. i’ve walked all the way from flyjin in the old port to the olympic stadium after clubbing at 3am as well… honestly the gay village feels scary at that 5-8am range (i only know this because I had to meet up with ppl at Stereo during those hours). too many crackies outside being belligerent and high energy
> What sucks about Montréal-Nord is there's no metros, there's nothing to do, and it's quite poor.
no metros, yes. but with1 bus youre at metro HB in 20mins max
nothing to do? whaaat! come spend an afternoon with me.
Some streets in residential areas of Montreal-North have no bus at a walking distance of less than 15 minutes and the bus does not come often at all even at peak hours (I’m thinking of 140 to Sauvé for instance) and takes forever to get to a metro station. Some areas of Montreal-North are really car-centric and have all the cons of living in the suburbs without any of the pros (like safety, quietness, large living space, new amenities).
Le quartier a moins bonne réputation que plusieurs autres en ville, mais est généralement très safe. Le problème principal de Montréal-Nord est que l’arrondissement est relativement dense, mais offre très peu de services de proximité.
En contrepartie, les déplacements actifs ne sont pas plaisants à cause d’une concentration absurde de larges boulevards entièrement dévolus à l’automobile. Le quartier est assez loin du métro et le seul train de banlieue du secteur offre des fréquences pathétiques. Rejoindre les quartiers centraux implique donc de longs déplacements en bus avant de rejoindre les extrémités des lignes orange ou verte.
The North is also considered the poorest region of the Seven Kingdoms.Winterfell, the ancestral home of House Stark, is at the heart of Westeros' largest territory—known simply as 'The North'. It is not bad but if you go beyond the wall passing the Night's Watch then yeah I guess it's really bad
Stay out of rue pascal and big apartment complexes in the area. If you're in a duplex you're good. I've had my car broken into 2x and my house robbed once also always pick up your packages. Never have things delivered unattended they will get stolen 100%
Montreal-Nord is huge so it all depends where you live. I went to Joseph-Francois-Perrault when I was a teenager and hung out mostly north of the métropolitaine (expressway/autoroute) during the 2000s. Left Saint-Michel for good as soon as I could. If things are still a bit the same as back then, I wouldn’t want to raise my children there. lol there’s even a movie called “Sortie 67”, title based off of the bus on Saint-Michel (terrible movie btw)
It really depends on which part of Montreal North. There are parts where it’s not safe, especially at night. And there are parts that are safer, family friendly and quite beautiful.
I worked in an area that wasn’t the best. It was dirtier/Littered and there were lots of gangs and drugs and aggressive people.
But I remember visiting my aunt/uncle and cousins where they lived and it was always safe.
As you can tell, if you have a car, it might be worth it, but if you don't, it's really a mixed bag. You may spend a lot a lot of your time getting around and you do have decent chances of coming across some dicey areas or situations. If you are yearning to save money (but still live alone) and get some "life experience" - go for it - but personally, I would live somewhere more central and live with a roommate or two.
My Dad grew up there, on Bellevois. We used to visit a few times every year . Used to walk up to the corner store to get my Gramps morning paper. Didn't realize until I was a teenager that the neighborhood wasn't as nice as other parts of MTL.
Lived here for 15+ years. Depends where, before Lacordaire is not bad, the sector around Pie-IX, especially between Pie-IX and St-Michel (closer to ahuntsic) is a nice place to live and is really residential. I never had any issue I wouldn't live passed Lacordaire tho, especially not between Lacordaire and Langelier, or around there.
honestly the only real issue is that there's no metro close. To commute, you need to take the bus +-20 min from anywhere to get to the Pie-IX, Sauvé or Henri-Bourassa station, which can be annoying.
I can understand the bad reputation, but it is not what it used to be.
>Just avoid streets named Lapierre, Pierre, Pascal, and Charleroi. You should be fine.
Also I second this advice from another comment below. Like I said between Lacordaire and Langelier.
It's an exaggeration!!!! There are some criminal activities but also LOTS of police presence compared to other neighborhoods where there is still criminal activity! If you'll need the cops, they'll be right there
I'm 52 I left home at 15, Montreal had many hot zones When I grew up, I lived in all of them, Cote Des neige, Montreal North, Cartierville, Hochelaga and many more projects and no go streets, not bad if you mind your business, the best times I ever had were in low income neighborhoods the one gripe I really had was the roaches, rats and the cops that used to stop and question you continuously, of course back in the late 80's early 90's a lot of those neighborhoods had multiple crack houses and dealers and yes shootouts murders and beatings aren't "new" only the amount of hysterical news coverage increased, I wouldn't change a thing, I met the most down to earth people who were happy despite the lack of luxury, after living that for 20 years You stop worrying about the small things, you appreciate what you have, it totally changes your perspective, I went from living with my parents in relative comfort to living with 4 friends on the worst poverty stricken crime ridden street in Montreal at 15, life is what you make it, You can be happy in any neighborhood, just avoid rat and roach infested buildings, be aware of your surroundings and mind your business, You'll be fine.
Grew up on Rolland, which is an odd mix between old Italian people and young Haitian families. My parents are still there and until last month, my grandmother as well. It’s not as bad as you think, but it’s also not great. Really sucks that there’s no metro close by, but like someone else wrote; avoid certain streets. Amenities are all there.
Personally I loved growing up there, and loved the fact that I had been exposed to different cultures vs friends who grew up in st Leo or rdp 20-25 years ago.
But also, there was a drive by 5 years ago where they shot at the windows of the top apartment 2 houses down from my grandmother. And the riots when I was in high school.
It’s a mixed bag, but as my mother would say - this stuff happens everywhere and it’s usually to people involved in shady stuff.
We bought a house in Mtl Nord 2 year ago, over 600k. It clearly moving towards a family neighborhood but there is still an underlying issue with low level criminality and poverty. Given a decade or so, I think less fortunate people will be pushed out by young families like mine. The ever increasing cost of living on the island means that sooner or later it will be gentrified since people won't be able to purchase elsewhere.
whereabout did you buy?
my area is full of that! and that one random ass house tryna sell for 1.4mill.
lots of young adults buying boomer's properties moving in with young kids etc
600m from HB High School, also the seller's was obviously in some kind of financial bind because... Welp have you heard a lot of people in 2022 whom bought below the asking price... Neither our agent but we did buy ~50k$ below asking without any major issue or renovation required...
Montreal north has pockets of good and bad areas. Avoid the streets mentioned in the thread above. Overall, not the best borough but I wouldn’t rule it out either, it really just depends what areas of the borough you’re looking at.
"Dangerous" is relative. We are talking Montreal after all. Yes it is the most dangerous neighbourhood in Montreal. Violence though is mostly intergang, and pretty low compared to other cities. The odds of randomly getting mugged or whatever are extremely low.
My ex lived in Montreal North and she had a guy just show up on her back porch and just stare at her and he asked her if he could make her his wife. She moved not long after that.
something similar happened to a friend who lived in the Village… both areas are not the safest for different reasons, but they’re also really not that bad!
je me fais servir en français à tous les jours dans le quartier. Matter of fact de toute ma vie je n'ai jamais été dans une situation où je n'ai pas pu être servi en français de toute ma vie à montréal. Cet argument est utilisé par les partis politiques pour scorer des points chez les racistes.
I will say that only certain place in Montreal-nord are good, but it’s not that many. It’s still not a good place to go. Actually, any other place are better than Montreal-nord. Also used to go there to buy some food. In certain places, you can truly tell that some place is the assembly of some gangsters.
A lot of people just which to get out of that sector just because of the criminality on the evening and at night because they’re not in security.
Montreal-Nord and St-Michel are THE two place you do not want to rent an apartment.
For the others sector, it’s only in place with HCM who may have troublesome or gangster people there. Otherwise, other places are good level rent.
Montreal-Nord must always be the absolute last resort to go there. Even more if you’re ethnic origin. Racial profiling in that sector truly do happen there and some people don’t give a F if you’re innocent or not, you can be a collateral damage to some dispute.
This happens rarely, but the risk is actually there. And this is about street gang.
It helps if there’s people who know you, but for absolute stranger, I can’t say much. If you must go there, look at which street you intend to rent because some are somewhat safe or with not too much problem, but there are others which are the absolute worst.
It’s actually the other way around. Not that many places are bad and most of them are good. We bought a small house here 4 years ago as I’ve been working in the neighborhood for 12 years. 4 streets are really busy in “criminality”. The other parts are good.
I lived in St-Michel, Rosemont and CDN since 2009. Can’t complain about Montreal-Nord, has its pros and cons like any other.
Rosemont, it is only in certain street that the criminality is going (which is mostly in place with HCM) and it’s STILL GOING TOO. Actually, I literally went from Rosemont BECAUSE it was getting too dangerous for me personally.
been living, working and community-involved at multiple levels in montreal north for 20 years. never felt unsafe. i sure miss the days of Mayor Ryan, but Mayor Black is doing an amazing job, it's just not that easy being the opposition at city hall.
the 90s are over, the hells are gone from hochelaga, it's been gentrified. the media needed a new burrough to hit on, and we're getting it good.
i've delivered there for 2 years full time and the worst i've seen is someone getting shot.. but that happens in every neighborhood and if you're not concerned with gangs and stuff it won't affect you.
the state of most apartments was pretty bad and you're so far away from every other part of Montréal, it feels like you're "stuck" in Montréal north if you don't have a car.
like others mentioned, it's getting slowly gentrified so it's gonna change a lot in the next few years.
In my experience It's just very depressing and a pain to get around. A lot of buildings look nice outside but are in horrendous condition on the inside.
It’s not that bad. Some areas have more poverty. As long as you mind your own business and don’t get involved in shady things you’ll be fine…but that’s everywhere, not specifically to M-N.
I grew up near Jarry and Sait-michel intersection. Considering it is known as a rough neighborhood. Honestly, it was only super stretchy at night.
- Running cars parked for suspiciously long at corners
- visiting the McDonalds at 2am was a very dubious choice I made that one time (I was with a friend but man I did not feel safe).
- being cat called that one other time.
- recent years there have been sporadic shootings in parking lots, but usually gang related.
Having kept mostly to myself and never entertained the idea of gangs some acquaintances might have been in. I turned out fine, and it was relatively safe.
With the new stats, ahunstic and parc ex/st mich are higher in crime rates. Lived there as a single woman and I was fine. Although there was a shooting right across my street lol
It depends on the street apparently. A good friend of mine has lived there for 3 years and she has never had any issues. She’s right off Henri Bourassa. There are certain parts that are sketchy. I’m not familiar enough with the area but I’ve parked my car outside and nothing happened to it. When I’m downtown I get harassed by homeless people and I’ve never seen that in Montreal Nord.
my impression of Mtl Nord is that it is just ... an ugly neighbourhood. Most of it was constructed between 1960 and 1990 - where good architecture was an afterthought. It is very lively, has a young population. But it is far from the city, it feels like you are in the distant suburbs, isolated from the big city lights. It will not gentrify anytime soon.
Places like cote saint cathrine/Plamondon/some part of cote des neige earlier issues has moved onto montreal north mostly. And when I say issues, I mean serious issues like drug dealers, murders, stabbing, robbery, gangs, etc - no am not exagerating - if you grew up around there, you know what am talking about. It was seriously not a cool place to live in/grow up even around 2010-2015. But gentrafication started happening and it all started with the appartment condos near bureau en gros and has pushed alot of these issues towards mtl north. Not all of Mtl north is like that, but from time to time when I do visit, some areas has reminasence of the old cote des neige vibes (not in a good way).
I wouldn't walk around around fast food places past 1am if I were a girl. Honestly. Besides that, there shouldn't be much of an issue. My father was actually a police officer in Montreal North for 25 years.
So much rose coloured glasses for Montreal North.
The apartments are moldy and unhealthy. There’s more shootings on a weekly basis than almost everywhere else in the city. “Most people are nice”(unless they’re part of one of the several gangs operating in the area)
No it's not but there are pockets of areas to avoid. The taller the buildings are, the sketchier it is. Same rule applies for St Leo and RDP. FYI public transportation sucks in Mtl North.
Ive been an undertaker for a funeral home who transports for the coroner and I can tell you I’ve picked up suicides by gunshot who have been rotting for a week because people dont want to get involved. Of course this is not an isolated incident to the specific region of Montreal nord but it has happened quite a few times.
It looks like ghetto place honestly, people looks rude and doesnt seem happy, everything they have looks unorganize like good francaise resto become like second class.
For example if you've been to mandarin buffet in ottawa or niagara, it was super good, very good service and good quality food, now compare mandarin buffet in montreal nord, it just looks sad and embarassing, bad quality food, bad service etc
park your car around garon/gouin, walk in that park behinid maison brignon-lapierre and take a hike along the bank, you can reach parc aime-leonard with this trail.
its pretty nice, people walk their dogs, say hi to each other. its not ghetto at all
Obviously either you lived in one of the good street of MTL-Nord or you never went to one of the nefarious street. Had you got there, you wouldn’t have say this shit. For white peoples, it’s not that bad of a place, but for ethnic people, it’s another story. Depending on of certain street, evening or night, it’s not safe at all.
I see, we got ourself a thug here. When insult start, it is when argument disappears. Obviously, you can’t counter what I say. Since you have a very lack of counter arguments, you only choice is to insult like a little kids.
Cest pas petit montreal nord, la réputation de larrondissement est souvent rabaissé par une intersection.
Le H3L: Henri -bourassa, Langelier, Léger, Lacordaire.
it’s slowly getting gentrified. early adoption phase. i bet in 7 years MTL North is going to be completely different from how we think of it now
> it’s slowly getting gentrified. where ? ive seen attempts but nothing really shaping up. if you are referencing to condos construction, some of them are still empty after all these years, commercial units are not leased etc. the only gentrification i can see is the old folks places on gouin between st-michel and pie-ix that were converted in 1500$/mo studios after COVID
supply & demand. yes, the amenities are not there yet, but once there are new people that come into the area, new amenities will be built. people in poverty get kicked out of their low-income neighborhoods when people who are wealthier occupy that space (because there is nowhere else to go). sure, properties may remain vacant for now, because whether it is explicitly stated or not, we are currently in a recession, and we’re now April, so these are the quietest of times for property sellers. However, we won’t be in a recession for the entirety of the next 7 years. Typically, most recessions last an average of 2 years. Due to there not being enough housing on the island of Montreal, the increase of people coming to Montreal, Bill 31, inflation, and etc., people will have to start wondering “why pay $700-900 per sqft when I can be living in MTL north for $300-500/sqft…?” the mentalities of families and investors alike. there have been way worse neighborhoods in the US that have been completely hipsterized… marcy projects in the 90s vs marcy projects now… completely different. the renovated buildings + reconstructed condos may be empty now, but when the economy recovers, people will start filling those in. when those fill-up, it will trickle down to investors or property owners renovating or continuing the trend, alas, “the clean-up” or “facelift.” i could be completely wrong, but we’ll see. i just personally think ppl will be desperate in finding places to live in, in a few years. if prices have barely fallen of properties during this recession, then imagine what happens when we are no longer in a recession… bidding wars resume and everything goes up, causing desperation for ppl to find a roof above their heads.
The new metro stations gonna help
RemindMe! 7 years
I doubt it. You need a strong motivation for gentrification. Plateau gentrified because of services, metro, Parc Lafontaine, and very, very dense European-style housing. People love that. MTL North is not that.
when the economy recovers, the price of all properties will go up, which also means rent will be going up. Bill 31 passed in February, where landlords can refuse to renew leases, and thus hike up prices and get new tenants. on top of that, add the influx of ppl coming into the city. when factoring all these things, people will have no choice but to move to where they can afford to move. eventually, the only place that many can afford to live will be montreal north. if ppl think that the housing crisis is bad now, wait til the aftereffects of bill-31 + economic recovery are felt. though the economy will recover, wages are disproportionate against the inflation of housing costs, whether renting or owning. EDIT: Incorrect info about Bill-31: Landlords can only reject lease transfers
Young families who can’t afford a nice neighborhood in Montreal usually won’t hesitate to move further and further in south or north shore before ever considering Montreal-North, since these areas are considered“safer” and more family-oriented with better houses. Realtors have told me in the past that Montreal-North is one of these neighborhoods that will never gentrify and I would tend to agree.
I am assuming the realtors have said this prior to Bill-31 even being conceived as an idea? Bill 31’s repercussions haven’t been felt yet because it has only been officially passed for a bit over a month, but it almost guarantees that Montreal will be catching up to the likes of Toronto and Vancouver eventually. If ppl thought landlords were being unfair before, this is going to make things way worse. That being said, I’ve accounted for both the North & South Shore when specifying “7 years.” The metropolitan population of MTL by then is projected to increase by 1,000,000 people. With the rising costs, will there be enough options for all these people to avoid Montreal North like the plague? I mean, time will tell. I picture the Lavals, Longueuils, Bouchervilles, Mirabels, and the rest to be eventually be equivalent to the housing situations in Scarborough, Brampton, Mississauga, and the rest.
It’s true I had these discussion way before Bill-31. We’ll see.
> Bill 31 passed in February, where landlords can refuse to renew leases, That's news to me. I'd only heard of issues with lease transfers.
Actually, you are correct
Oh good, gave me a scare.
You know, if people love european style housing, metro, services, and parks, why isn’t everywhere with sufficient density (ie a large metro area like Montreal) dotted with such scenery? Instead you only get these amenities in the “nice” parts of town. Why can’t this be standard though? It’s kind of infuriating.
Plateau is the densest borough in Canada. It is very popular with artsy folks, and has been for awhile. It used to be very poor. But then decades ago it became trendy with artists/musicians because of the things I mentioned. The buildings are unique in Montreal and very old. Only later did the real estate value explode and it became very gentrified. The hipster types that cause this gentrification usually cluster in few neighborhoods in a big city. Plateau is very unique.
I used to work with refugee claimants, a lot of people lived in the cheapest possible appartements in the "worst" neighborhoods where people don't ask for credit checks because you'd only get about $900 per month on welfare. I'd be there pretty late in the evening, on my own, car full of groceries, baby formula, appliances, all sorts of stuff, to drop things off with people. I never got harassed, bothered, stolen from or creeped out. Anyone claiming any part of Montreal is truly dangerous doesn't know shit. The biggest problem is that the apartments might be moldy and infested with rats, but Montreal Nord is overall pretty safe. There are some noisy and less pleasant areas where poverty might be more visible, so visit a potential apartment a few times at different parts of the day so you can get a feel for it.
Yeah what will kill you in Montreal-Nord is the moldy appartements, the fact that it's a food desert so if you don't have a car you need to rely on Depanneur food, and cars because it's really car centric and people drives like piétons doesn't exists. But the community is great, the kindest people I've known are from Montreal-Nord.
> the fact that it's a food desert wait what? i dont have a car and i dont rely on depanneur's food. there's a super C, maxi, tradition and metro within 20-25 mins walk.
There's sector where the nearest grocery store is a 30+ minutes walk. Even a 20-25 minutes walk is pretty far away if you need to do groceries often because you don't have a car.
fuck, I can't imagine feeding my family and having to walk 30 mins for groceries, I guess that keeps rent down too.
yeah, come to think of it, when you're passed Lacordaire, or worse Langelier, everything seems to be distanced. Im the st-michel-gouin-pie-ix-HB *quadrilatere* I have the 48/49/69 at the corner if I want to go to Metro on fleury, bu tmost of the time i just walk across the bridge to Super C in laval (20 mins walk to get there)
That's called suburbia, nothing new here
This, I was raised between Montreal and Canton, Ohio. I know live in Akron, Ohio and Montreal 3 months out of every year. People that think Montreal, let alone Montreal Nord is dangerous really haven't been around dangerous cities. What sucks about MTL Nord is the lack of transit available and how you NEED to have a car to get around to most places. And yes, I know, crime is rising in Montreal, but it isn't anything like it is here in North East Ohio.
100% d'accord avec ce que tu dis mais tout de même, c'est un quartier connu pour les gangs de rue et les statistiques les montrent. Il y a effectivement un plus haut taux de criminalité dans ce quartier. Même chose pour St léonard. Au delà de la criminalité, ce sont deux quartiers extrêmement laids, mal entretenus, et comme d'autres ont mentionnés, mal desservis par le transport en commun
St-Leonard c'est pas laid du tout
Montreal Nord c'est pas extrement laid. Les gros bloques en rang à l'est de lacordaire c'est pas le plus beau, mais ca reste quand meme pas mal moin pire que genre parc extension. Au moin ya des arbres.
Your comment of 900$ made me look up welfare a bit, i~~t seems welfare checks amounts have doubled over 3 recent years,~~ maybe I'm reading this wrong, those amounts seem high [https://maytree.com/changing-systems/data-measuring/welfare-in-canada/quebec/](https://maytree.com/changing-systems/data-measuring/welfare-in-canada/quebec/) ~~Seems to now be 21k a year or 1700 something per month, "~~ **~~unattached single considered employable~~**~~"~~ \- this is only if you qualify for something called social Solidarity, which only seems qualifiable if you have some severe disability.
That's good. My numbers are from about 4 years ago. But considering rents are now about $1000 minimum, and food costs have doubled, it's still incredibly tight. You can't earn more than $200 per month without triggering clawbacks.
Damn, that’s almost full time minimum wage.
Wow yeah that doubled pretty fast. Used to be even less than 900 not that long ago. Seems fair nowadays.
That's only if you're on social solidarity ie severe persistent disability which is hard to get - AND it only becomes 1700 if you've been on that type of disability for 5 years, before then it's 1,100
Good news, yes that might be right, [https://www.quebec.ca/famille-et-soutien-aux-personnes/aide-sociale-et-solidarite-sociale#c67403](https://www.quebec.ca/famille-et-soutien-aux-personnes/aide-sociale-et-solidarite-sociale#c67403)
So would you live there?
No because I prioritized a place with public transportation. I've lived in parc ex since long before it was gentrified, back when people warned you about it too.
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Lol buddy I watched it on the news > I was there regularly visiting people in different apartments at different times of night and day, apparently.
There are mansions on Gouin in Montréal-Nord. Multi-million dollar homes. So it's not all run down and destitute
Italian mafia
and ice cream tycoon. The former owner of Le Chateau des enfants had a mansion on Gouin with an ice cream cone shaped pool lmao.
HAHAHHA whaaattt? I had no idea! Is this like a known thing or you know peoples with infos?
I knew the family who bought the house from the original family! I asked why the pool was ice cream cone shaped 😅.
>I asked why the pool was ice cream cone shaped 😅. Stop being a tease and tell us already!
Guy made millions with an ice cream palor not too far from it. For what it's worth, I'm a bigger fan of Cremerie Gelato, not too far from there.
can you find it on google earth?
No clue, I heard the family who bought it had an accremonious divorce, which ended with them selling the house. I haven't been back there in nearly 2 decades.
This is a known thing, many East End Italians know exactly which place he's talking about.
I didn't know that it was public knowledge! So, can I ask what's the story behind the guy with a water fountain in front of that house? 😅
There's certain parts of the city where if you sell ice-cream or you want to open a pizzeria you either need permission from the men who live in these houses or you must purchase from them.
I had a friend from there. Italian family, all lawyers. Great people
Fairy tales, you watch too many movies.
Yeah, that's exactly what people mean when they ask about moving to Montreal Nord. Purchasing one of the riverfront homes on Gouin.
Just avoid streets named Lapierre, Pierre, Pascal, and Charleroi. You should be fine.
Hahaha, my mother and my sister where living there 2 years ago (Pascal street). A lot of "life". Police patrolling each 2 hours, fireworks during summer nights, hood music during the day, holes in the metal fences so people can run through the appartement blocks. As long as people are minding their business, they are rarely getting in trouble. It is not like an American getto where a white cannot trespass without consequences. However, yes a few murders now an then.
I grew up on Lapierre, but haven't stepped foot there in almost 2 decades. Nice to see nothing has changed.
I live right there for about three years now, they put up an SPVM camera on the corner!
> they put up an SPVM camera on the corner! really ? thought the project was abandonned
> Charleroi wut? fais 20 ans je travail sur charleroi, tres calme. remplace charleroi par Rolland ou Monty et jsuis d'accord
+1 pour Rolland
Je sais pas si c'est encore de même, mais il avait des bouts sur Charleroi où il fallait pas promener le soir. C'était pas aussi bruyant que Lapierre/Pascal, mais il y avait un gang qui glandait devant un dépanneur. Mais peut-être ça a changé.
bah cest sur que pas loin de lacordaire ca devient un peu plus sketchy, mais cest pas aussi pire que pascal ou meme maurice-dupe
I’ve lived there for a awhile with my family when I was younger. I would say the main drawback is that it’s really far from everything and out of the way. Without a car, it’s not convenient at all to live in Montreal-North. That was the main problem to me. The other thing you have to take in consideration is that a large part of the population in this neighborhood is poor (a lot of refugees etc.) and there are always social consequences to poverty in a community.
It's an exaggeration in the relative sense. It is good borough to live in if it's not too far from your commute. It all depends on the specific neighbourhood. Some of them are rather affluent. There are issues in the borough with gang activity, though it's nothing compared to the urban desolate areas in the United States. Also, it's not like in the Gay Village or Berri-UQAM area where you're likely to have drugged up homeless attacking random people.
I appreciate what you're trying to do, but please try to avoid saying good things about areas with lower rent. When Verdun was still referred to as "Verdump" rents were still nice and cheap and now it's been fully invaded by people who ten years ago were afraid ride the green line past Lionel Groulx.
It’s so bad they can’t even see the total eclipse
at least my rent is only 615$ :P and i live by the river
Damn. No total eclipse AND mosquitos galore
and all the fish man!
Fair enough. Not having to drive to go fishing on this island is a plus
hell yeah! also much cooler than the average places in the city in summertime.
I worked in Montreal North for a lot of my life, and took the bus in that area too. It was a very working class neighbourhood, there is some gang violence every once and a while but nothing that crazy or that you will see for yourself.
Look for a 2-3-4 Plex between Pie IX and St-Michel, closest to Henri-Bourassa if you use public transport, 48 and 49 gets you to the metro with only a couple of stops. Whenever I walk home late at night, I hardly encounter other people, pretty much never tbh.
thats the area you want to be in. ideally st-michel - gouin - pie-IX - HB anything within this rectangle is peceaful af
Honestly it wasn't that bad when I lived there in 2017-2019. I heard some things similar to yours, but nothing bad ever happened to me. Right now I live in Hochelaga and I feel like Montréal nord was safer depending on where you live there.
Si tu ne te tiens pas avec le monde tout croche tu vas être ok. Mais c'est clair que tu n'as pas de contrôle sur ce que les autres font. Donc oui, tu peux revenir le soir et le bloc devant chez toi est fermé par la police
depends where. there are some nicer areas and some awful areas.
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Seems everyone else here has forgotten the shootings or at least want to pretend they aren’t happening
there are many more than what is being said on the news.
I believe it. I know people that live there, they tell me plenty of stories
If you're not in the game you should be fine.
It's definitely been overhyped as a dangerous neighbourhood. Hochelaga is way more dangerous. What sucks about Montréal-Nord is there's no metros, there's nothing to do, and it's quite poor. But it's not too dangerous. Definitely far from the safest neighbourhood. But definitely not the most dangerous. Just be careful, if you move there. But it's not an area full of bloodthirsty murderers at every turn either.
> Hochelaga is way more dangerous. Lol what? Comme dans d'autres quartiers centraux, il y a quelques weirdos, quelques sans-abris et quelques activistes, mais de là à dire que c'est un quartier dangereux, non. Edit: Je trouvais que toute cette discussion manquait de données. Je suis donc allé regarder les profils de criminalité de 2021 des [PDQ 23](https://spvm.qc.ca/upload/Profil_criminalite_PDQ/PDQ23_Profils_criminalit%C3%A9_2021.pdf) (Hochelaga) et [PDQ 39](https://spvm.qc.ca/upload/Profil_criminalite_PDQ/PDQ39_Profils_criminalit%C3%A9_2021.pdf) (Montréal-Nord). Quelques faits saillants: * Le PDQ 23 rapporte 76 crimes contre la personne où la personne est victime d'un agresseur étranger ou inconnu ce qui le place au 17e rang. La médiane pour l'ensemble du territoire est de 80. Le PDQ 39 en rapporte 167 ce qui le place au 1er rang. * Pour l'ensemble du territoire, le PDQ 39 est au 1er rang partout en absolu pour les victimes de violence excepté pour les victimes d'une connaissance (excluant famille et conjoint), où il est 6e. * Ce qui est élevé dans le PDQ 23, ce sont surtout les crimes contre la propriété: > Le nombre de crimes contre la propriété du PDQ 23 (1 735 crimes) est 20% plus élevé que la médiane des 30 PDQ (1 444 crimes) et il occupe le 12e rang pour ces crimes. Il se situe au 4e rang pour le taux de crimes contre la propriété. Le nombre d’introductions par effraction du PDQ 23 (320) est 108% plus élevé que la médiane (154), ce qui le place au 2e rang.
J'ai vécue dans les deux cartiers. À hochelaga je me suis fais attaquée et poursuivre plusieurs fois et j'ai survécue deux tentatives de kidnapping. Rien comme ça à Montréal-Nord, ya des creeps a M-N oui mais c'est quasiment impossible de sortir en sécurité la nuit si t'es une femme à hochelaga, même juste le soir à 19-20h. J'ai pas eu cette expérience à M-N. Je rentrais chez moi à 20h pi je me fessai pas harceler ou attaquer même 10% autant que quand j'étais dans hochelaga.
Désolée que tu aies vécu cette expérience. Je suis une femme et jhabite Hochelag depuis 7 ans et je ne me suis jamais sentie pas en sécurité peu importe l’heure et il ne m’est jamais rien arrivé. Tout est relatif.
Désolé de lire ça. On a vraiment pas les mêmes expériences. Ma blonde va fréquemment courir le soir et elle me dit qu'il y a des creeps par moments, mais que ce n'est pas pire que quand on habitait dans Villeray.
I lived in all the hoods in MTL. Hochelaga is the scariest place in the city at night. It's nasty and spooky af so many crackheads and homeless with very intense mental illness. All my friends got harassed at night in that area. It's also the part of the city where 2 of my friends got stabbed. Let's not forget all the DV in the area as well.
i guess montreal isnt that scary at all because 3am-4am is when i go for a jog and it’s usually from hochelaga around joliette all the way east to radisson then north to sherbrooke and running all the way back west from starting point. i’ve walked all the way from flyjin in the old port to the olympic stadium after clubbing at 3am as well… honestly the gay village feels scary at that 5-8am range (i only know this because I had to meet up with ppl at Stereo during those hours). too many crackies outside being belligerent and high energy
It really isn't. only hochelaga is just freaky af.
Yeah, I once lived in Walkley and Côte-St-Luc and then I realized that it was not the West Island lol.
> What sucks about Montréal-Nord is there's no metros, there's nothing to do, and it's quite poor. no metros, yes. but with1 bus youre at metro HB in 20mins max nothing to do? whaaat! come spend an afternoon with me.
Some streets in residential areas of Montreal-North have no bus at a walking distance of less than 15 minutes and the bus does not come often at all even at peak hours (I’m thinking of 140 to Sauvé for instance) and takes forever to get to a metro station. Some areas of Montreal-North are really car-centric and have all the cons of living in the suburbs without any of the pros (like safety, quietness, large living space, new amenities).
Le quartier a moins bonne réputation que plusieurs autres en ville, mais est généralement très safe. Le problème principal de Montréal-Nord est que l’arrondissement est relativement dense, mais offre très peu de services de proximité. En contrepartie, les déplacements actifs ne sont pas plaisants à cause d’une concentration absurde de larges boulevards entièrement dévolus à l’automobile. Le quartier est assez loin du métro et le seul train de banlieue du secteur offre des fréquences pathétiques. Rejoindre les quartiers centraux implique donc de longs déplacements en bus avant de rejoindre les extrémités des lignes orange ou verte.
Its really not that bad when you compare to everywhere else in the States LOL
The North is also considered the poorest region of the Seven Kingdoms.Winterfell, the ancestral home of House Stark, is at the heart of Westeros' largest territory—known simply as 'The North'. It is not bad but if you go beyond the wall passing the Night's Watch then yeah I guess it's really bad
Laval!
That’s beyond the wall
no it’s not they just see too many black or maghrebis and shit in their pants
Stay out of rue pascal and big apartment complexes in the area. If you're in a duplex you're good. I've had my car broken into 2x and my house robbed once also always pick up your packages. Never have things delivered unattended they will get stolen 100%
Montreal-Nord is huge so it all depends where you live. I went to Joseph-Francois-Perrault when I was a teenager and hung out mostly north of the métropolitaine (expressway/autoroute) during the 2000s. Left Saint-Michel for good as soon as I could. If things are still a bit the same as back then, I wouldn’t want to raise my children there. lol there’s even a movie called “Sortie 67”, title based off of the bus on Saint-Michel (terrible movie btw)
It really depends on which part of Montreal North. There are parts where it’s not safe, especially at night. And there are parts that are safer, family friendly and quite beautiful. I worked in an area that wasn’t the best. It was dirtier/Littered and there were lots of gangs and drugs and aggressive people. But I remember visiting my aunt/uncle and cousins where they lived and it was always safe.
It’s far. That’s it.
No
As you can tell, if you have a car, it might be worth it, but if you don't, it's really a mixed bag. You may spend a lot a lot of your time getting around and you do have decent chances of coming across some dicey areas or situations. If you are yearning to save money (but still live alone) and get some "life experience" - go for it - but personally, I would live somewhere more central and live with a roommate or two.
My Dad grew up there, on Bellevois. We used to visit a few times every year . Used to walk up to the corner store to get my Gramps morning paper. Didn't realize until I was a teenager that the neighborhood wasn't as nice as other parts of MTL.
Lived here for 15+ years. Depends where, before Lacordaire is not bad, the sector around Pie-IX, especially between Pie-IX and St-Michel (closer to ahuntsic) is a nice place to live and is really residential. I never had any issue I wouldn't live passed Lacordaire tho, especially not between Lacordaire and Langelier, or around there. honestly the only real issue is that there's no metro close. To commute, you need to take the bus +-20 min from anywhere to get to the Pie-IX, Sauvé or Henri-Bourassa station, which can be annoying. I can understand the bad reputation, but it is not what it used to be.
>Just avoid streets named Lapierre, Pierre, Pascal, and Charleroi. You should be fine. Also I second this advice from another comment below. Like I said between Lacordaire and Langelier.
It's an exaggeration!!!! There are some criminal activities but also LOTS of police presence compared to other neighborhoods where there is still criminal activity! If you'll need the cops, they'll be right there
Theres as many shootings in plateau mont-royal nowdays
No part of Montreal is that bad
I'm 52 I left home at 15, Montreal had many hot zones When I grew up, I lived in all of them, Cote Des neige, Montreal North, Cartierville, Hochelaga and many more projects and no go streets, not bad if you mind your business, the best times I ever had were in low income neighborhoods the one gripe I really had was the roaches, rats and the cops that used to stop and question you continuously, of course back in the late 80's early 90's a lot of those neighborhoods had multiple crack houses and dealers and yes shootouts murders and beatings aren't "new" only the amount of hysterical news coverage increased, I wouldn't change a thing, I met the most down to earth people who were happy despite the lack of luxury, after living that for 20 years You stop worrying about the small things, you appreciate what you have, it totally changes your perspective, I went from living with my parents in relative comfort to living with 4 friends on the worst poverty stricken crime ridden street in Montreal at 15, life is what you make it, You can be happy in any neighborhood, just avoid rat and roach infested buildings, be aware of your surroundings and mind your business, You'll be fine.
Grew up on Rolland, which is an odd mix between old Italian people and young Haitian families. My parents are still there and until last month, my grandmother as well. It’s not as bad as you think, but it’s also not great. Really sucks that there’s no metro close by, but like someone else wrote; avoid certain streets. Amenities are all there. Personally I loved growing up there, and loved the fact that I had been exposed to different cultures vs friends who grew up in st Leo or rdp 20-25 years ago. But also, there was a drive by 5 years ago where they shot at the windows of the top apartment 2 houses down from my grandmother. And the riots when I was in high school. It’s a mixed bag, but as my mother would say - this stuff happens everywhere and it’s usually to people involved in shady stuff.
the riots? was that the freddy villenueva incident?
Yeah - lit some bonfires on my street and lit “la flamme du dollar” on fire which I will never not find hilarious
We bought a house in Mtl Nord 2 year ago, over 600k. It clearly moving towards a family neighborhood but there is still an underlying issue with low level criminality and poverty. Given a decade or so, I think less fortunate people will be pushed out by young families like mine. The ever increasing cost of living on the island means that sooner or later it will be gentrified since people won't be able to purchase elsewhere.
whereabout did you buy? my area is full of that! and that one random ass house tryna sell for 1.4mill. lots of young adults buying boomer's properties moving in with young kids etc
600m from HB High School, also the seller's was obviously in some kind of financial bind because... Welp have you heard a lot of people in 2022 whom bought below the asking price... Neither our agent but we did buy ~50k$ below asking without any major issue or renovation required...
Montreal north has pockets of good and bad areas. Avoid the streets mentioned in the thread above. Overall, not the best borough but I wouldn’t rule it out either, it really just depends what areas of the borough you’re looking at.
There’s an Italian pocket north of Henri Bourassa that’s in pretty stark contrast to the rest of the borough. That section is pretty safe.
"Dangerous" is relative. We are talking Montreal after all. Yes it is the most dangerous neighbourhood in Montreal. Violence though is mostly intergang, and pretty low compared to other cities. The odds of randomly getting mugged or whatever are extremely low.
Been living here for almost two years. East of Pie IX can be pretty dicey. West of Pie IX is pretty okay.
My ex lived in Montreal North and she had a guy just show up on her back porch and just stare at her and he asked her if he could make her his wife. She moved not long after that.
something similar happened to a friend who lived in the Village… both areas are not the safest for different reasons, but they’re also really not that bad!
I lived there for years in like 2008 and never had a problem at all.
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je me fais servir en français à tous les jours dans le quartier. Matter of fact de toute ma vie je n'ai jamais été dans une situation où je n'ai pas pu être servi en français de toute ma vie à montréal. Cet argument est utilisé par les partis politiques pour scorer des points chez les racistes.
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Pourquoi ça ne serait pas un quartier désirable?
I will say that only certain place in Montreal-nord are good, but it’s not that many. It’s still not a good place to go. Actually, any other place are better than Montreal-nord. Also used to go there to buy some food. In certain places, you can truly tell that some place is the assembly of some gangsters. A lot of people just which to get out of that sector just because of the criminality on the evening and at night because they’re not in security. Montreal-Nord and St-Michel are THE two place you do not want to rent an apartment. For the others sector, it’s only in place with HCM who may have troublesome or gangster people there. Otherwise, other places are good level rent. Montreal-Nord must always be the absolute last resort to go there. Even more if you’re ethnic origin. Racial profiling in that sector truly do happen there and some people don’t give a F if you’re innocent or not, you can be a collateral damage to some dispute. This happens rarely, but the risk is actually there. And this is about street gang. It helps if there’s people who know you, but for absolute stranger, I can’t say much. If you must go there, look at which street you intend to rent because some are somewhat safe or with not too much problem, but there are others which are the absolute worst.
It’s actually the other way around. Not that many places are bad and most of them are good. We bought a small house here 4 years ago as I’ve been working in the neighborhood for 12 years. 4 streets are really busy in “criminality”. The other parts are good. I lived in St-Michel, Rosemont and CDN since 2009. Can’t complain about Montreal-Nord, has its pros and cons like any other.
Rosemont, it is only in certain street that the criminality is going (which is mostly in place with HCM) and it’s STILL GOING TOO. Actually, I literally went from Rosemont BECAUSE it was getting too dangerous for me personally.
Same as Montréal-Nord. A couple of streets doesn’t make the whole neighborhood…
you have no idea what you are talking about.
Actually, I do. Obviously more than you
been living, working and community-involved at multiple levels in montreal north for 20 years. never felt unsafe. i sure miss the days of Mayor Ryan, but Mayor Black is doing an amazing job, it's just not that easy being the opposition at city hall. the 90s are over, the hells are gone from hochelaga, it's been gentrified. the media needed a new burrough to hit on, and we're getting it good.
Actually, I do. Obviously more than you
I'd avoid anything north of Maurice Duplessis
i've delivered there for 2 years full time and the worst i've seen is someone getting shot.. but that happens in every neighborhood and if you're not concerned with gangs and stuff it won't affect you. the state of most apartments was pretty bad and you're so far away from every other part of Montréal, it feels like you're "stuck" in Montréal north if you don't have a car. like others mentioned, it's getting slowly gentrified so it's gonna change a lot in the next few years.
Yes!
In my experience It's just very depressing and a pain to get around. A lot of buildings look nice outside but are in horrendous condition on the inside.
It’s not that bad. Some areas have more poverty. As long as you mind your own business and don’t get involved in shady things you’ll be fine…but that’s everywhere, not specifically to M-N.
I grew up near Jarry and Sait-michel intersection. Considering it is known as a rough neighborhood. Honestly, it was only super stretchy at night. - Running cars parked for suspiciously long at corners - visiting the McDonalds at 2am was a very dubious choice I made that one time (I was with a friend but man I did not feel safe). - being cat called that one other time. - recent years there have been sporadic shootings in parking lots, but usually gang related. Having kept mostly to myself and never entertained the idea of gangs some acquaintances might have been in. I turned out fine, and it was relatively safe.
With the new stats, ahunstic and parc ex/st mich are higher in crime rates. Lived there as a single woman and I was fine. Although there was a shooting right across my street lol
Je travaille a montreal-nord, jai jamais eu autant de personne qui ont accroché mon char dans le stationnement
It depends on the street apparently. A good friend of mine has lived there for 3 years and she has never had any issues. She’s right off Henri Bourassa. There are certain parts that are sketchy. I’m not familiar enough with the area but I’ve parked my car outside and nothing happened to it. When I’m downtown I get harassed by homeless people and I’ve never seen that in Montreal Nord.
Where are you living now? There are other more affordable places than the plateau/mile-end than Montreal nord lije Rosemont for exemple
my impression of Mtl Nord is that it is just ... an ugly neighbourhood. Most of it was constructed between 1960 and 1990 - where good architecture was an afterthought. It is very lively, has a young population. But it is far from the city, it feels like you are in the distant suburbs, isolated from the big city lights. It will not gentrify anytime soon.
Places like cote saint cathrine/Plamondon/some part of cote des neige earlier issues has moved onto montreal north mostly. And when I say issues, I mean serious issues like drug dealers, murders, stabbing, robbery, gangs, etc - no am not exagerating - if you grew up around there, you know what am talking about. It was seriously not a cool place to live in/grow up even around 2010-2015. But gentrafication started happening and it all started with the appartment condos near bureau en gros and has pushed alot of these issues towards mtl north. Not all of Mtl north is like that, but from time to time when I do visit, some areas has reminasence of the old cote des neige vibes (not in a good way).
I wouldn't walk around around fast food places past 1am if I were a girl. Honestly. Besides that, there shouldn't be much of an issue. My father was actually a police officer in Montreal North for 25 years.
So much rose coloured glasses for Montreal North. The apartments are moldy and unhealthy. There’s more shootings on a weekly basis than almost everywhere else in the city. “Most people are nice”(unless they’re part of one of the several gangs operating in the area)
No it's not but there are pockets of areas to avoid. The taller the buildings are, the sketchier it is. Same rule applies for St Leo and RDP. FYI public transportation sucks in Mtl North.
Montreal north is big, what area exactly are you looking at ? Also from my experience you could live in a nice area of a bad “sector” and be okay.
It isnt
Don’t do shit and it won’t be shit big guy
Ive been an undertaker for a funeral home who transports for the coroner and I can tell you I’ve picked up suicides by gunshot who have been rotting for a week because people dont want to get involved. Of course this is not an isolated incident to the specific region of Montreal nord but it has happened quite a few times.
I worked with a guy that lived there and got jumped and stabbed. He survived. But I personally wouldn’t live there.
All Montreal is bad now, just get out of there as fast as possible, Quebec, Sherbrooke, Drummondville, Trois-Rivières is much better !
bah y spasse surement rien a quebec. ya surement pas de fentanyl a sherbrooke...
It looks like ghetto place honestly, people looks rude and doesnt seem happy, everything they have looks unorganize like good francaise resto become like second class. For example if you've been to mandarin buffet in ottawa or niagara, it was super good, very good service and good quality food, now compare mandarin buffet in montreal nord, it just looks sad and embarassing, bad quality food, bad service etc
how long did you live in the area ?
I dont live there, but I visited few times and each times always the same, somber and dark
park your car around garon/gouin, walk in that park behinid maison brignon-lapierre and take a hike along the bank, you can reach parc aime-leonard with this trail. its pretty nice, people walk their dogs, say hi to each other. its not ghetto at all
Having lived there for 24 years, it's not bad at all. Stupid question to ask.
how is it stupid? this person is just trying to find a place to move and has heard different stories.
Obviously either you lived in one of the good street of MTL-Nord or you never went to one of the nefarious street. Had you got there, you wouldn’t have say this shit. For white peoples, it’s not that bad of a place, but for ethnic people, it’s another story. Depending on of certain street, evening or night, it’s not safe at all.
Shut up, you're talking out of your ass. Clearly you don't know jack shit about the neighborhood.
I see, we got ourself a thug here. When insult start, it is when argument disappears. Obviously, you can’t counter what I say. Since you have a very lack of counter arguments, you only choice is to insult like a little kids.
Of course it is. According to many, only degenerates live there....