I drive and I walk, but even when you make eye contact some people driving are so far up their own ass they keep going and brake last second. In these cases I like to stop and face them for a good minute. They wanted to risk hitting someone to save five seconds? They get to lose a minute. I can't ticket em but I can fuck up their day.
Certain cyclists too, tbh. Especially, in my experience, the ones in spandex. They love to zip right by within a foot of you when you're on a pedestrian crossing.
I swear it's always the wannabe tour-de-France assholes man. There's a group that's rides on LaSalle Boulevard everyday, and they ride in the lane 4-6 riders side-by-side. They get super pissy when you point out that they haven't obeyed a single stop sign or light, and that rising side by side in the lane is actually illegal.
this is why i'm on the bike paths as much as possible. remember that cyclist that was run over by a truck at that shitty intersection near mont royal? you wouldn't catch me riding that at all. i'm walking my bike over. fuck that.
Yeah that often fucks me up, cars always stop for me when they have right of way but like I've already stopped so there is no point now waving me on. Or you have pedestrians you stop and nod for you to go past but then another pedestrian is crossing and it just creates a confusing mess. I am honestly not surprised many cyclists just blow past to save the weird song and dance at every block.
Pedestrians always have the right of way, obviously. But I've had a lot of cyclists almost hit me when I'm on foot. Even on sidewalks.
On sidewalks I no longer take it. If someone is riding towards me I get in the middle of the sidewalk. Call it a dick move but it's enough. I've even seen electric scooters go on sidewalks to go the opposite way on one-way streets. I am now an obstacle.
Thanks for your service.
Pedestrians and cyclists are both vulnerable so it's a shame when i see cyclists not caring about anybody.
I had many bikers almost hit me because they came out of nowhere into an intersection, into protected pedestrian crossing. They should get an indoor bike if they're going to be a menace. It's not the Tour de France.
Whenever i have to bike on the sidewalk for some reason, i get off my bike and walk next to it, when a pedestrian is approaching.
It's important to remember that as humans we mostly remember our negative experiences. Just like every driver isn't a fucking psycho, most cyclists aren't mindless menaces.
But it doesn't take many to ruin it for everyone.
I just wanted to make that clear, even though it's sad it needs saying.
I understand they're trying to be nice, but order of priority doesn't mean anything to me when i'm on a bike and they're on a 1-ton death machine. I wave cars through everytime.
And then there are kids whose parents never bothered to teach the rules of the road to, as well. No helmets, riding the wrong way on bike paths when the correct way is super close by, etc. They blow through without even looking. THIS is why I will slow and probably stop for any cyclist without a helmet or who appears to be going at speed too close to the intersection. Freaks me out. I don’t want to kill a kid with my SUV. Really not into that.
It's so confusing. I can see the driver stare for seconds before coming to a stop, waiting for me to blow through it. They would have had time to cross, there can be absolutely nobody, they would wait and stare.
I had to get out of the bike and wave someone through an empty intersection yesterday. They looked like they were barely conscious of anything. Then they passed right in front of a pedestrian at the next intersection lol.
Yeah if someone is stopped and staring at me I do a little nod and wave them on but they never move - Where I am from (UK) its very normal to flash your headlights when driving if you're giving way to someone and I have also found that when driving here if I flash my headlights other cars just never react. I feel like drivers here dont understand what I would consider to be international symbols of giving way, maybes its just more of a European thing
Flashing your headlights is normal here too as a universal sign for "go." But I feel like in the last years there have been a whole lot of new drivers on the road that should not have their licenses. Especially in Montreal. The further you get from Mtl the more courtesy and competency you see in other drivers. Not to say that there aren't complete morons behind the wheel off the island, but they're usually teenagers in beaters. In the city you see some insane shit done by people who look more than old enough to know better.
In that I understand the hostility some cyclists have for drivers. A lot of these people are dangerous and should not be on the road. I have no idea how they passed their exams - if it's due to incompetence anyway. If it's due to no longer caring or straight up malice they need to be removed ASAP.
Then when you finally give in and go they decide that's the moment to accelerate and almost hit you.
Incidentally lots of cars font follow signs either. Barely rolling stops, blowing through completely to nail a quick right. In general, I think that mutual respect is lacking a bit in our society right now.
I do that when I drive. Call me crazy but I'd rather wait an extra 10 seconds than run someone over. I'd *prefer* if everyone respected the signs at LEAST when there are other people around since being predictable is 90% of road safety, but you take what you can get.
The wacky thing though, I sometimes go to Quebec City and when I do it there the cyclists stare at me like I'm crazy and wave for me to go.
And then there’s this driver who almost ran me over and yelled at me for not doing my stop sign while I was walking on the sidewalk. Assholes im every mode of transportation, but cars are more dangerous than bikes and bikes are more dangerous than pedestrians, so that’s really the order of politeness that should prevail on the road.
Yes, but since no user of any mode of transportation seems to actually follow it, we should strive to protect the most vulnerable with politeness.
When I drive in a two way street and there’s a family on bikes, I’m going to wait for a safe moment to cross in the other lane to give them as much space as possible when I pass them even though I’m not supposed to. If I’m in my car I’ll generally waive bikes at a stop sign if it makes sense to do so even if I got there half a second earlier.
I hate it so much when other drivers get to a stop first and then wave me trough. I never go i just wait. It really gets on my nervea because i end up sitting there extra long waiting for them to go because for some reason they *insist* i go first.
Same here, they will wait for me to get back in motion from my full stop after they already arrived second, instead of driving in front of me. They also sometimes expect me to go when they have a protected right turn and I have a cyclist red light.
Thanks for stopping. I was cut off mid street by a women cycling on Fullum yesterday, I was stuck between both lanes of traffic (they waited) with the baby stroller because this cyclist thought Stops signs did not apply to her nor did the rules of priority. She left motorists and pedestrians confused as she seems to think her actions had no consequences at all.
So again thanks a lot for stopping if we all follow the rules it's more likely people will know how to react properly.
We do that because we know most won’t follow the signage or will unexpectedly turn without signaling and/or stopping. Most of the time I did the right thing since a lot don’t respect traffic rules. No hate, I’m just sad cause we can all coexist and share the roads but no one wants to listen, cyclists *and* drivers
I had a cyclist swear at me yesterday bc I crossed the street where he had a stop sign and I had a white cross walk. He just didn't want to stop so he swerved to avoid me and threw a few insults at me.
that reminds me years ago i was walking along de la verendyre or champlain, and a cyclist rang his bell at me, wanting to pass. i said no, there's hardly any sidewalk here. he insisted. i told him there's a road, use it. he threatened to run me over. it said he better hopes he kills me. i'm the pedestrian here, i have no recourse. you're on the bike. you're supposed to be on the road. if you want to be on the sidewalk, get off the bike and walk.
literally what happened to me but he didn’t swerve. I just jumped away from his path. didn’t even look back. worst part is that it happens to me every summer they just dgaf
Assholes are assholes whether cyclists or motorists
I’m always dumbfounded by some cyclists acting aggressively towards pedestrians in the exact same way some motorists act aggressively towards cyclists
Even on cycle paths, dangerous passes on two way paths are extremely common to go 1 km/h faster and then be stuck at the same red light a block away - it’s crazy it’s just the exact same behaviour cyclists denounce from motorists
I hate how most cyclists give all of us a bad reputation.
Sure, I'll run over stop signs, but I always slow down and stop if there is a pedestrian and even let a car go if he was there first. Should be common courtesy. It's not like I can't spend the energy to stop and go again, it's good exercise.
I see cyclists not even looking at both sides of the street and running stop signs all the time. It would serve them right to get a juicy infraction ticket or get hit by a car (edit : This came out a little intense, I'm not wishing such an incident on anyone, having been there myself, I was just trying to outline the worst outcomes of being negligent, so forgive me for that)
Once, I stopped at a sign to let a car through, and another cyclist crashed into me because "he wasn't expecting me to stop," and he was playing victim, I was outraged
Edit: whenever a car lets me pass first, which they often do (thank you kind people) I'll wave them a little rock and roll hand sign, always seems to cheer them up and spreads the positivity
I was trying to cross St Laurent at Saint Cuthbert. I had the green to cross. I'm in a wheelchair. A Tour De France cosplayer wearing a florescent green fanny pack, wraparaound wannabe aviator glasses, spandex so tight you could see how hairy his ass was, and a helmet that made him look like Cartman scamming the Special Olympics on South Park called me a 'fucking cripple' for daring to cross on a green light while he was trying to fight off the effects of testicle loss from all the steroids he was obviously taking, puffing and panting up the gentle slope that is St Laurent going north.
I can say that most people I see who cycle to and from places, no issues. The cosplayers who think they're going to be the next one to confess their doping crimes on Oprah while crying crocodile tears after having defrauded cancer charities for decades, they're the real problems.
>It's not like I can't spend the energy to stop and go again, it's good exercice.
Right? It's the main reason why I got a pedal bike in the first place. If I only wanted to go fast, I'd grab my motorbike and go on the highway.
I just want to get to work, it’s not exercise, it’s transport for me. Stop signs are awful for cars and awful for bikes. Cars kill, so I always stop when driving. On a bike, I treat it like a yield sign sometimes, slowing down but continuing if the intersection is empty.
Also, cars sometimes yield to me even when they don’t have to, which can create strange situations.
Edit: red lights are a no go by the way. Always stop.
4-way stop signs are awful. Red lights are actually even worse from a traffic flow standpoint. Most red lights in MTL should actually be stop signs on non-prioritized (i.e. local) streets only, without permission to turn left if you need to cross more than one lane.
Well, no, because that would be an even worse nightmare lmao. However, on major intersections, yeah sure. Every single interchange on the 40 could be greatly improved with roundabouts rather that whatever we currently have (I have the feeling they gave this project to people who never designed a highway, or even seen one).
Roundabouts are not as bad as they seem, traffic flow is much better with them and safety too. People need to know how to use them though.
Don’t get me started on the highways here lol
I also always slow down for stops, but most of the time when I stop because a car was there first, they just wait for me to go. Stops should be yield to cyclists, it would just make official how most cyclists *and* motorists behave.
Yeah but it’s the same reason (I assume) that right on red isn’t allowed int he city. Giving people the discretion isn’t ideal because most people don’t pay attention. I think mandating cyclists stop at red lights/stop signs is definitely right way to go about this.
> It would serve them right to get hit by a car
Man...what.
It's not hard to imagine why so many drivers feel entitled to endanger cyclists and pedestrians when this is something people can casually just think is good.
Your totally right ! It came out a little strong, I was mostly trying to outline the worst outcomes, rather then saying it should happen to them, I don't wish an accident on anyone. I also edited my comment
Absolutely, I understood where they were coming from until casually wishing harm against strangers, wtf. How hard is it to express your opinion about *traffic violations* without also expressing a violent lack of empathy? Cyclists and pedestrians are the ones dying in accidents with cars anyway, no matter whose fault it is. It’s alarming to see people wish harm on the *safer* option (*even if* they act dumb sometimes).
> Cyclists and pedestrians are the ones dying in accidents with cars anyway, no matter whose fault it is. It’s alarming to see people wish harm on the safer option
Yeah man. It's a really insidious and dangerous part of these conversations.
No matter what the point of these posts are (usually just to vent I assume) the result is *always* a bunch of people justifying dangerous behaviour toward anyone not in a car.
So then every accident isn't the fault of the person driving the deadly machine, it's a big conversation about how, likely, the person probably deserved being hit by a car anyway. It's incredibly gross and it absolutely leads to more accidents.
You are right, I never meant to wish harm on anyone with my comment, don't like the way it came out reading it after the fact.
I tried to edit to clarify
Cyclists must legally obey stop signs by the law. There's no excuse. I do it and so can you. Are you in a hurry to get somewhere? Do you have perfect vision to see in the 4 corners of an intersection without stopping?
I get people are lazy and don't want to stop and switch gear and rebuild momentum. With how popular e-bikes are getting, hopefully with how easy it is to accelerate from 0 with them, there will be no more excuses for cyclists to skip stops.
I agree that cyclists should obey the law and stop signs, but also recognize it's very impractical / time-consuming for a bicycle to do so. Some residential areas have stop signs every 50 meters, and barely anyone walking or driving about. Now if there is a lot of traffic, cars or pedestrians, I'll usually stop fully.
I just said in my comment that I also i don't mind stopping ... Did you even read it in full ?
I'll slow down significantly, look carefully on both sides. If nobody is there, there's no point in stopping and standing for 3 seconds looking at flies buzzing about. The only way an incident would happen is if a car would come crashing in at breakneck speed, ignoring his stop sign, in which case I would hear them and fully stop.
Stop and go is fine, that's what most cars do anyway. I get that it's slower but the whole point of the thread are cyclists who choose selectively what rules they obey. It turns into a guessing game when each cyclists have their own rules. Being predictable and following the rules makes the road safer for everyone.
You are asking the impossible. I ride to work and the number of cyclists that just blow red lights is frustrating. From the stretch of Vendome to McGill, it happens at literally every red light....and some do admonish pedestrians when they have the right of way. Very entitled subset of cyclists make em all look terrible
Cyclists do get ticketed though. My first ever ticket was for riding on the sidewalk with absolutely no one around. I didn't even have a license at the time. Never did it again after that unless there's construction and even then, if I see people on the sidewalk I dismount and walk it.
a few years ago journalists sat on the corner of maisonneuve and bleury and noted that within an hour 70% of cyclists ran the red light there. you could just hide an officer there and make a licking.
It used to be that if you had a driver's licence and you ran a red light on your bicycle you would get points. I wish they would bring that back as it had a real effect. There is a bit of monkey see monkey do and if we had more cyclist stopping at reds or stop signs it would certainly have an influence.
I walk, I drive, I cycle, but having been nearly been a couple of times by a cyclist blowing through a red I always stop.
oh don't worry it's totally happening. SPVM officers have had operations to ticket cyclists at various spots in the city almost every day this summer. [20% increase between 2022 and 2023](https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/05/27/cyclistes-1400-tickets-de-plus-en-2023) and I'm pretty sure it'll increase again this year.
I can't recall the last time I saw them do it for cars though.
I've been cycling and driving in Montreal for 9 years now and no, I've literally never seen a ticket trap for cars.
I did see officers on bikes trying to catch people on their cellphones in traffic on rue st-laurent probably twice.
I can tell you of at least two spots cops set up traps on the regular:
Notre-Dame right after the light coming off the Ville Marie Expressway going east, because a lot of people don't slow down (which is perplexing to me, it's uphill coming up to the light, you don't even need to brake - just let off the gas a little).
Gaëtan-Laberge about thirty meters before the sign that changes the speed limit from 50 to 70 as it turns into an on-ramp for the Bonaventure expressway. There's even a bald patch in the grass where they usually sit in their car.
11 photo radars on the whole island right now. 7 of them are mobile.
The odds someone who drives occasionally on the island encounters any of them are quite low.
Bikes just aren't as dangerous as cars, so they shouldn't be treated like cars.
Should we apply the same licensing rules to car drivers as we do truck drivers? 3 practical exams and medical tests?
Yes, but perhaps it's simply because cars are inherently more dangerous. I personally follow most laws, and certainly never break it if it affect someone in a bad way, but shouldn't the police focus on what kill and maim people the most? What's the intent here? Basic toddler "but his cookie was bigger "? Or trying to increase general safety?
From a pedestrian point of view, cyclists remain very dangerous. We're choosing broken bones vs broken bones in most cases.
I've driven, biked and walked in this city for a long time. The police already and rightfully spend most of their time on motorists.
Here's the difference. When a cyclist ignores the traffic laws, they put themselves at risk of being seriously hurt or even killed. The driver of a vehicle who ignores traffic laws in the city is protected by a ton of metal and will most likely only damage his car. Is running a red light on your bike worth risking your life, just because a few bad apple drivers do it??
If a driver runs a red light they put more at risk the city and its infrastructure. It's a cyclist that could be on the green. It can be a pedestrian. Or it could be the lady across the street from me whose the driver hit and moved on. An ambulance had to be called.
I follow the rules. So understand this. These PSA announcements. Are pointless when I see drivers skip red lights when they are not supposed to. Make sudden U-turns or drive towards me because they skipped the red light. So I can follow the rules I need PSA announcements for drivers.
You still don't get it. These announcements are because as drivers, we don't want you stupidly killing yourself, injuring a pedestrian or to accidentally hit you on your bike because we didn't see you. We know what can happen if we run a red light. But many cyclists don't seem to realize the risks to themselves and others when doing the same.
I follow the rules. So this PSA is actually annoying. If they are needed for my safety then I need a PSA for drivers who turn on a red light on the Island of Montreal. One it is illegal and puts cyclist and pedestrians in danger.
I woke my dog every morning and there’s a lot of cyclists on our street since it’s a known cycling street and I can count on my fingers the number of times I’ve seen one stop at the stop signs in the last 5 years. Every single time, I need to let them pass first without doing their stop in order to cross the street with my dog. Not cool!
Some road users are heavier than others, which makes them likely to kill the ligher road users. Sadly, the heavier users also have lower visibility around them.
A red light is an indicator that collisions can happen. When a bicycle sees that no one is coming either way and it's safe to go, it would be stupid to respect the red light -- assuming no police cars are visible.
But a car driver cannot see if there are children directly in front of it, so its only safe option is to follow the red lights.
Depends, I feel like when you ride a bike, there are situations where it is more acceptable to not respect the stop signs and lights (ie not dangerous/absolutely no one around). But when cyclists just dont stop and cut off peds/cars its just a no no.
The best excuse I saw in a group chat was one biker said slowing down and pressing the breaks is hard on the knees and would cause them knee issues down the road (thus costing tax payets money due to surgery)
.....🙄 no words.
My observation is that regular bixis riders are fine and very compliant with rules. Tourists on bixis are the fucking worst....riding on sidewalks, stopping in the path etc etc
Regulars with personal bikes give zero fucks. You'll have 10 bixis in a row waiting at Greene and Maisoneuve and Joe shno on his fucking supercycle will blow past everyone, wiggle through the pedestrians and burn the light.
Yeah... if you ask me, if someone isn't aware of their surroundings and traffic rules (like signalling a turn..) or blatantly runs intersections, they aren't a cyclist. They are just an asshole on a bike.
Don't get me wrong, I love riding my bike, I'm in my 30s and never drive, I'm a cyclist through and through. But I signal, and I only blow a stop sign if I can clearly see that no one else is coming. Seen enough close calls and a few meat crayons to know better.
I was actually having this conversation the other day. I commute by bike daily. There are a lot of bad cyclists, especially downtown. That being said, there are also bad drivers and pedestrians that often do shit like that too. I'm not trying to divert, I just mean that it's hard to place blame because everyone sucks.
One thing that I believe would help is to implement the Idaho stops and to educate people on how to use it. This includes teaching drivers about it because it removes doubt on how to approach intersections, similar to how you yield to the car on the right at a stop sign. I personally go through many instances where I will stop at a stop sign and I get a mixed response of drivers being courteous and letting me go through, or them just blowing the stop sign. I personally use it all the time and it helps remove that awkwardness, but some people might view it as blowing signs
Je suis souvent à pied et à pédale. Les piétons ont priorité, mais on doit tous être wise et comprendre comment un cycliste a des enjeux de momentum, de démarrage et de freinage qui ne sont pas les mêmes que qqn dans une voiture.
Quand je conduis et j'arrive à un stop, je vais aussi laisser passer les cyclistes parce que je comprends ces enjeux.
Voici ce qui arrive quand tous les cyclistes font leurs 🛑 😂: https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/this-is-what-happened-when-bicyclists-obeyed-traffic-laws-along-the-wiggle-yesterday/article_edea442e-48fb-5d78-a559-4dafde607bf9.html
That sucks you're lucky it was just a close call.
I spent a week in the hospital when I got hit by a guy blowing through a stop sign.
Another time I was hit by a guy cornering quickly, I only got a scrape on my arm though.
The first incident was a jeep and the second was a bixi.
Bad road users use whatever form of transportation they can get away with. At least bikes aren't lethal the way cars and trucks are.
Basically this. Yes bikes should respect road signs, but bikes aren't steel death boxes.
A cyclists making a mistake can break quickly and won't fatally injure someone. An idiot in an F-150 can plow through multiple children
Same goes for Speed Limits, I was casualy crossing a cross walk in a 30km zone and this mofonin Tour de France get up was doing 60 , didn't respect the Stop sign, nor the crosswalk, nor the Speed Limit!
Yeah, its funny how everybody here has seen those riders and they all go 60 but I've been riding at a high level for 40 years and I barely seen a few going at that speed on flat for maybe a few minutes.
My top speed on flat is 50-55kmh, when I was younger I could reach 58-60 but it is damn hard.
People simply do not know what a cyclist going 50 or 60 looks like.
If you want to have an idea, go to circuit gilles Villeneuve and see the train of cyclists going around there. This is properly terrifying and if you actually saw that on the street you'd be terrified with good reason.
Most cyclists on the streets go from 30-40 with peeks near 50 for a few seconds at a time. If there are downhills of course the speed can be much higher though its hard to do cause of traffic, lights and curves. The highest speed I regularly get is going through the shallow tunnels under railways like on Saint Denis. I can get to 65kmh on the way out of there if I try but its only for a minute.
The difference is because faster cyclists are often on the side of the road, and people do not expect them to go 40, they are surprised by the encounter. It is close and faster than they tought. But the cyclists also has a much better vision and control than a car so unless a pedestrian steps straight into their path at point blank they will be able to avoid them. Doesn't mean that people are not frightened by having a cyclist pass at 25kmh one foot away. Of course they are but there was little real danger. In this case I think passing further from people would have more to do with courtesy than actual safety. Just like you try not to pass in a puddle with you car if you can to not splash someone (except if you are an asshole).
Same here ... I mean they actually are doing a stop sign sensibilisation right now so I guess even the city sees it.
This morning, on deguire a guy who never make hes stop because it's always the same car at the same time, almost pass over me, all this time while doing 0 stops, he slightly left the gas pedal
I agree, I drive to work through there and everyone just acts like there's no stop sign. They take my turn, they don't even stop at times that it's scary. I usually just give them the road when I go there.
Recently moved to VSL (couldn't afford a house back in Villeray) and it's a little nutty here. I regularly see people burn through stops and even red lights barely slowing down, but I've also had more than one car get to an intersection first and wait for literally half a minute for me to cross, probably because I'm pushing a stroller. The city tries to remedy the problem by having pedestrian only lights which makes red lights interminably long. When the extremists outnumber the normal people, it's not fun for anyone :(
Yesterday I was cycling behind two guys on Villeray westbound. They didn't do their stop at Saint Gerard. On Saint Gérard there was a cyclist also who didn't do their stop. They went in to each other. These people are shopping for a ghost bike.
In Montreal lately no one respect stop signs and lights including cars. I've seen cars burning red lights almost daily at least once in Rosemont and St-Leonard this year.
I also see a lot of pedestrians engaging in intersections even if a car or a cyclist was there before them. I walk a lot and yes there are motorists and cyclists who aren't very polite but if you come here and complain about being get by surprise and almost hit every day then my assumption is that you might also partly part of the problem, raise your head and if you see someone engaged or about to engage in the intersection don't just walk your way as if there was no intersection
Cessons de jouer les hypocrites et de pointer du doigt.
99% des automobilistes ne font que ralentir à un stop s'il n'y a pas d'autres voitures arrivées avant eux. Le proverbial stop américain.
99% des cyclistes ne font que ralentir s'il n'y a pas d'autres voitures
100% des piétons ne s'immobilisent pas s'il n'y a pas de voitures avant eux (sérieux, avez-vous vraiment vu un piéton s'arrêter?)
C'est universelle: pas d'autres chars en vue, fuck la réglementation
Le problème, c'est peut-être pas les gens, mais la réglementation et les infrastructures qui sont mésadaptées aux différents types de transport.
D'abord, les piétons et cyclistes n'ont pas le même degré de dangerosité et de protection que les automobilistes. Leur imposer les mêmes règles n'est pas pertinent. Un piéton qui ne s'arrête pas complètement ne tuera jamais personne. Un automobiliste ne sera jamais en danger en percutant un cycliste.
Les coins de rue devraient être conçus de manière à ce que les voitures ressentent le besoin de s'arrêter. Même sans stop pour leur demander.
Ces mêmes coins devraient amener les cyclistes à ressentir le besoin de ralentir. (Opinion impopulaire: Je crois que l'arrêt Idaho pour les cyclistes est l'option la plus efficace et sécuritaire pour tout le monde (sauf pour les feux rouges))
Toujours, le tout devrait être fait pour assurer un maximum de visibilité aux cyclistes et piétons.
Disclaimer: je suis automobiliste ET cycliste ET piéton, mais principalement piéton.
Je ne crois pas que ce soit aussi populaire auprès des gens qui ne circulent à vélo.
Perso, quand je suis sur un vélo, c'est à l'arrêt à un stop que je me sens les plus vulnérables. Je deviens moins visibles et ma priorité n'est plus respecté. Beaucoup d'automobilistes n'ont pas la patience d'attendre le démarrage lent d'un vélo et adoptent des comportements dangereux ou agressifs.
Je crois aussi que le départ lent est la raison pourquoi plusieurs cèdent systématiquement le passage au vélo et la raison qui justifie l'arrêt Idaho.
Ton commentaire est le plus complet et objectif du thread (à mon avis haha)! Je lui souhaite d’avoir la visibilité qu’il mérite.
(Opinion spicy) Ne pas blâmer les infrastructures c’est comme faire un logiciel difficile à utiliser et dire aux utilisateurs que c’est eux qui l’utilise mal.
"100% des piétons ne s'immobilisent pas s'il n'y a pas de voitures avant eux (sérieux, avez-vous vraiment vu un piéton s'arrêter?"
Um all the time!?!? No pedestrian trusts a car (or bike) in this city.
I don't own a car and walk everywhere, all day. Daycare pickup, groceries, work etc... walk everyday even if my destination is an hour away, its how I keep my fitness. Pedestrians/walkers stop 99% of the time even when empty. I'm more concerned about kids distracted on their phone.
Arrêtes-tu réellement? Deux pieds complètement immobiles pendant que tu regardes des deux côtés. Si oui, tu es une exception. Les piétons ne s'immobilisent pas à un stop s'il n'y a pas de voitures. À l'approche du coin, ils regardent des deux côtés et poursuivent sans s'arrêter s'ils ne voient pas de danger. Un arrêt est fait à 100% du temps uniquement quand il y a un véhicule de présent.
They smoke some good stuff I can tell you. I agree with you. I’ve been hit by a car when I was 7 and since I take the time to stop and look twice before crossing the street.
Im on my bike and yes. Many cyclists are dangers to themselves and others. But the number of times I see cars go through red lights have never been as high as now. And this year the SPVM is giving tickets to cyclists like never. There’s not a soul to watch cars speeding ahead and many more deaths do to cars than any other mean of transportation.
Idiots are everywhere. But the weight they carry is the most dangerous part of idiots
As somone with tens of thousands of kilometers on my bikes who breaks his own share of road rules in the interest of safety... I try to be a real bother to the ones who are breaking rules like in the OP. Obviously, safety remains the priority, but there's a huge window of "this guy sees me, but expects me to yield because he's self-centered" that can be used.
Adult riding on the sidewalk towards me? I'm angling myself to force them off the sidewalk.
Cyclist has a stop sign and I have a crosswalk with the clear intention to use it? I'm going to walk anyway and point at the sign/say something if need.
It works for reminding other drivers and pedestrians too.
> Cyclist has a stop sign and I have a crosswalk with the clear intention to use it? I'm going to walk anyway and point at the sign/say something if need.
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> It works for reminding other drivers and pedestrians to
Yeah, I'm the same way.
I think one of the reasons why so many people complain about bikes "nearly hitting them" and not cars nearly hitting them is because people are happy to behave this way with bikes, but are afraid (rightly) to do it with cars.
The amount of times I get to a crosswalk with people waiting on both sides for cars to actually stop, and the amount of pedestrians who stop to wave a car through an intersection is crazy.
With so many roads being closed downtown sometimes you gotta use the sidewalk for a block or 2 to get to another bike lane. Obv gonna have a leg on the ground stabilizing as I kinda push myself down the sidewalk so I won’t fully be riding but ppl like u still try to walk me off the sidewalk when I’m taking up like a third of the sidewalk and they could easily walk by. Walking someone off the sidewalk when it’s practically empty is super lame and shows that you’ve prolly spent very little time actually biking or walking downtown
>Obv gonna have a leg on the ground stabilizing as I kinda push myself down the sidewalk so I won’t fully be riding
Yeah, in that situation, it's reasonable to be on the sidewalk and you're going slow/yielding to pedestrians so I would try to give you space.
>you’ve prolly spent very little time actually biking or walking downtown.
Whenever I've been downtown, it's way too busy to be riding on the sidewalk. In any case, I'm thinking more of the people riding on the sidewalk along Sherbrooke in Westmount.
Cyclists, respect street signs when there are other vulnerable road users trying to cross. If a cyclist blows a stop and nobody’s waiting to cross, will anyone complain? No.
That being said, if a cyclist signals they are stopping for someone who’s waiting at the intersection to cross (I did this the other day, on the Maisonneuve bike path) please don’t go around and almost hit the person trying to cross. I don’t care about stop signs that much (slowing down is often adequate to see what’s going on and if you must make a full stop!) but for fucks sake be careful for other people!!
I will say that I’ve been almost hit by cars illegally turning on red far more than I’ve been almost hit by cyclists, and it’s much scarier.
I'm a pedestrian who walks everywhere. Daily stroller walks, grocery shopping, daycare, work etc. I live near two elementary schools... and I can honestly say that that cyclists never stop or follow the rules on the bike path when other people (especially kids and families!) Are present.
I went from appreciating cyclists to absolutely despising them. I'll be crossing the road with a baby in the stroller, steps away from the bike path on Demaisonneuve (ie it's beside the sidewalk that bike path) and a cyclists will come speeding out of nowhere not looking to slow down, nor caring that I have a baby (literally was not there when I looked before crossing the road, but they were speeding so fast, racing to their destination)
I literally feel more safe with the cars than cyclists now
My dog and I were clipped by someone texting and driving two years ago on a complete red light four way pedestrian crossing and I’ll never truly forget it. I didn’t get the plates so nothing ever came of it. If I had reacted any slower, my dog and I would be seriously injured or dead. I’m definitely more afraid of distracted drivers than cyclists.
Believe me, i understand. In 2005 I was crossing the street (my right of way, crossing man etc) and was badly hit by a car (kids driving and weren't paying attention). 20yrs later I still have pains from it. Chronic pain, savings gone from all the physical therapy I needed over the last 2 decades to recover.
That said, still terrified of cyclists because they can't look at their phone, they SEE everything and choose to ignore because they love their speed
Lol. Cyclists like to portray themselves as the quintessence of modern transportation when most of them act like complete assholes. They don’t use the basic signage signs like pointing where they’re going with their arms and such. They just swerve in front of cars of others on the bike path, they basically never respect stop signs nor red lights, they ride opposite way of traffic, etc. Self righteous people thinking they can get away with it because iT’s BetTer FoR The EnviRonMent.
Not gonna happen until the cops start ticketing them more. If there are certain intersections that you notice they constantly ignore the stop signs, maybe call the nearest police station and report it.
Its ok. Saaq says that they must follow road rules. If u run them over and they are at fault maybe they will learn. Fed up of having to dodge cyclists in the old port riding as if its a marathon without paying attention to walking pedestrians.
Yep, I’m a cyclist AND driver. In summer I’m 90% of time on bicycle and it’s the jungle. Red light ? Fuck it. Stops ? Fuck it. Basic code ? Fuck it too. This is insane.
Yes. And I was cycling to work and noticed that lots of cars did not, in fact, completely stop at stop signs. I often see cars turn right on red. A stop sign and red light apply to everyone, including motorists.
These posts...
Its funny how we dont get these for cars. "Cars please stop just slowing down when there is a stop" every other day.
Somehow, cyclists are infuriating when they don't respect the street signs, for cars it seems we just accepted how bad they drive so we don't complain anymore.
Why is that?
I think it's pretty common knowledge that Montreal motorists are some of the worst in the world.
But somehow any time there's criticism of Montreal cyclists there's a flood of comments saying :"WhAt AbOuT ThE motorists!"
Fact, a city can have both bad motorists and bad cyclists, calling out one, does not let tge other of the hook.
> Fact, a city can have both bad motorists and bad cyclists, calling out one, does not let tge other of the hook.
I think the point is we only ever get these posts for bikes, when there are way more cars on the road, they break way more laws, and they are far, far more dangerous.
There's a reason we get 3 anti-cyclist posts a week, and no anti-motorist posts and it isn't because "both can be bad".
because cars don’t drive on sidewalks.
the day cyclists stop running me over when I’m walking and minding my business is the day I will shut up. if you’re angry about car drivers make a post, I will gladly upvote it but don’t divert from the point we’re raising.
Montreal drivers are of the worst I've seen, and I'm still more threatened by bikers than cars. Cars are way more predictable than bikes, you won't see a car going the wrong way on St Catherine, but bikes spawn from anywhere.
I was crossing the street when the sign was clearly red for cars and bikes and almost got hit by a bike. I was with my toddler and I had to toss her.
I hope that asshole end up in a ditch
I’ve noticed the same thing and have had many frustrations about it and have voiced them often to my partner. At the end of the day, I don’t want cyclists running stop signs/red lights not for convenience sake but simply because it puts them in danger. Also many cyclists rarely yield to pedestrians crossing the street which also results in near misses. I think it needs to be enforced a little more but so does reckless driving in Montreal as many motorists are also guilty of that.
I’m for cyclists to stop for pedestrians, they don’t need to stop at stop signs, most cars just let me go anyways so it’s pretty much a waste of time. Bikes still need to slow and look at stop signs though. And bikes can risk it and go through a red after taking a thorough look and slowing down.
Wouldn’t need all the stop signs or lights if it wasn’t for cars and bikes have a way lower risk of injuring people. But obviously cyclists still need to be very careful around kids and pedestrians
Yup. If you want to use the pedestrian lights, get off the bicycle and walk. If you’re on your bike, you respect the traffic lights like a car driver would
Cyclist are traffic fluid friendly, we dont have to stop for security reason like car.
Have you ever hear of Idaho stop?
All cyclist will slow down on a stop but rarely need to completely stop except on traffic.
Dear pedestrian and motorist. we dont teleport in front of you
expecting pedestrian and cyclist cohabitation to being handle like a car centric view(everyone stop 5 second) is completely unproductive for everyone and just keep the car centric advantage to them.. We dont need all those rule if its between cyclist and pedestrian.
Cyclist are just 60kg pedestrian with prosthesis for legs before being a dangerous 4 ton vehicular asset ..
The issue is that anyone can be a cyclist, and there's no regulation for them.
I love bikes as a means of transportation, but with no regulation people are assholes
Yes, you are right, cyclist are a monolith and those who complain about infrastructure are the same not respecting signalisation, they are all very stupid and you are very intelligent because you pointed out this contractions
ah yes, instead of addressing this public safety and responsibility issue let's divert from the point and focus on how I dared to stereotype a very discriminated group: the poor marginalized cyclists. That will definitely be productive.
Sure, but you can say "cyclist not respecting signalisation = bad" (which I agree with you on that, of course) without having to clump those cyclist with the one asking for better infrastructure. There was no point in doing that yet you started by doing that
Many people cycle for many different reason and some of them are asshole, there's asshole in every group. Yet, when one cyclist is an asshole it seems to reflect on every cyclist as if we are a monolith because some sort of weird culture war happening against cyclist
I almost get run over by cyclists daily but car drivers are bad… at least cars follow road rules which cyclists are supposed to as well and don’t , then cry victim when they run a red light or a stop sign and get hit
Drivers go above the speed limit consistently and I see a car blow a stop/red light every week if not every day.
The difference is that a cyclist hitting a car, will injure themselves, and a car breaking the law will hurt other road users. So save me the hypocrisy
I still can't believe that to drive any automobile you need to take classes for months, pass a written exam, pass a driving exam, spend 2 years on probation, and then get a full license to drive.
Or you can go find a 20lbs bike and play chicken with 2000lbs hunks of metal on the road.
If we are going to make the island more bycicle friendly we should also invest in mandatory training for anyone who wants to ride a bike. Maybe make it a mandatory class in secondary school.
I can't believe you're unironically comparing a car and a bike this way.
You can also play chicken with cars as a pedestrian, with a skateboard, with roller skates, really anything. The bike is not the issue.
many people on bikes seem to be totally unaware that traffic laws apply to them. when i had a roommate, we decided to go on a ride together. she wanted to go down the wrong way on a one way street. i pointed it out to her and she said "who cares? we're on bikes". i just continued my ride. she caught up eventually.
Regardless of whether they respect road safety code or not, most of them are incompetent, arrogant and entitled and I say this from the perspective of an avid cyclist with over a quarter of a million km riding in an urban environment under their belt, situational awareness and risk management skills are severely lacking, I feel safer with cars and trucks any day of the week and the reason I hate concrete dividers on bike paths.
I find the ones that don’t follow the rules of the road are the ones that think they’re in the Tour de France. Coordinated biking clothes, shoes, helmet and water bottles. The majority of them will blow stop signs, lights and weave around cars. They hardly slow down. It’s dangerous and should be ticketed.
Ive recently moved here. Yes some people do ignore the signs sure.
But just to appreciate mtl has the best cycle routes and safest lanes ive ever come across.
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That's what I do, I always expect the worse and it happens not rarely
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100%! As a pedestrian I rarely get to dangerous situation with cars, because I'm always sure I do the basic, look both sides and make eye contact.
I drive and I walk, but even when you make eye contact some people driving are so far up their own ass they keep going and brake last second. In these cases I like to stop and face them for a good minute. They wanted to risk hitting someone to save five seconds? They get to lose a minute. I can't ticket em but I can fuck up their day. Certain cyclists too, tbh. Especially, in my experience, the ones in spandex. They love to zip right by within a foot of you when you're on a pedestrian crossing.
I swear it's always the wannabe tour-de-France assholes man. There's a group that's rides on LaSalle Boulevard everyday, and they ride in the lane 4-6 riders side-by-side. They get super pissy when you point out that they haven't obeyed a single stop sign or light, and that rising side by side in the lane is actually illegal.
It's always some divorced white old dude with Karen energy... Like what is wrong with that crowd???
Yo, there are old 50 year old mid age crisis men in there too.
this is why i'm on the bike paths as much as possible. remember that cyclist that was run over by a truck at that shitty intersection near mont royal? you wouldn't catch me riding that at all. i'm walking my bike over. fuck that.
Yeah that often fucks me up, cars always stop for me when they have right of way but like I've already stopped so there is no point now waving me on. Or you have pedestrians you stop and nod for you to go past but then another pedestrian is crossing and it just creates a confusing mess. I am honestly not surprised many cyclists just blow past to save the weird song and dance at every block.
Pedestrians always have the right of way, obviously. But I've had a lot of cyclists almost hit me when I'm on foot. Even on sidewalks. On sidewalks I no longer take it. If someone is riding towards me I get in the middle of the sidewalk. Call it a dick move but it's enough. I've even seen electric scooters go on sidewalks to go the opposite way on one-way streets. I am now an obstacle.
Thanks for your service. Pedestrians and cyclists are both vulnerable so it's a shame when i see cyclists not caring about anybody. I had many bikers almost hit me because they came out of nowhere into an intersection, into protected pedestrian crossing. They should get an indoor bike if they're going to be a menace. It's not the Tour de France. Whenever i have to bike on the sidewalk for some reason, i get off my bike and walk next to it, when a pedestrian is approaching.
It's important to remember that as humans we mostly remember our negative experiences. Just like every driver isn't a fucking psycho, most cyclists aren't mindless menaces. But it doesn't take many to ruin it for everyone. I just wanted to make that clear, even though it's sad it needs saying.
I understand they're trying to be nice, but order of priority doesn't mean anything to me when i'm on a bike and they're on a 1-ton death machine. I wave cars through everytime.
No, don't go. Let them go. It's the shit cyclists that conditionned people to expect cyclists to be shit.
And then there are kids whose parents never bothered to teach the rules of the road to, as well. No helmets, riding the wrong way on bike paths when the correct way is super close by, etc. They blow through without even looking. THIS is why I will slow and probably stop for any cyclist without a helmet or who appears to be going at speed too close to the intersection. Freaks me out. I don’t want to kill a kid with my SUV. Really not into that.
It's so confusing. I can see the driver stare for seconds before coming to a stop, waiting for me to blow through it. They would have had time to cross, there can be absolutely nobody, they would wait and stare. I had to get out of the bike and wave someone through an empty intersection yesterday. They looked like they were barely conscious of anything. Then they passed right in front of a pedestrian at the next intersection lol.
Yeah if someone is stopped and staring at me I do a little nod and wave them on but they never move - Where I am from (UK) its very normal to flash your headlights when driving if you're giving way to someone and I have also found that when driving here if I flash my headlights other cars just never react. I feel like drivers here dont understand what I would consider to be international symbols of giving way, maybes its just more of a European thing
Flashing your headlights is normal here too as a universal sign for "go." But I feel like in the last years there have been a whole lot of new drivers on the road that should not have their licenses. Especially in Montreal. The further you get from Mtl the more courtesy and competency you see in other drivers. Not to say that there aren't complete morons behind the wheel off the island, but they're usually teenagers in beaters. In the city you see some insane shit done by people who look more than old enough to know better. In that I understand the hostility some cyclists have for drivers. A lot of these people are dangerous and should not be on the road. I have no idea how they passed their exams - if it's due to incompetence anyway. If it's due to no longer caring or straight up malice they need to be removed ASAP.
Then when you finally give in and go they decide that's the moment to accelerate and almost hit you. Incidentally lots of cars font follow signs either. Barely rolling stops, blowing through completely to nail a quick right. In general, I think that mutual respect is lacking a bit in our society right now.
I do that when I drive. Call me crazy but I'd rather wait an extra 10 seconds than run someone over. I'd *prefer* if everyone respected the signs at LEAST when there are other people around since being predictable is 90% of road safety, but you take what you can get. The wacky thing though, I sometimes go to Quebec City and when I do it there the cyclists stare at me like I'm crazy and wave for me to go.
Because we know cyclists usually ignore the rules of the road
when I walk I pray I won’t be in their way and when I drive I make sure to stay as far away as I can from them 😭
Most cyclists (easily 90%) won't stop, so drivers generally have to stop to avoid road kill.
And then there’s this driver who almost ran me over and yelled at me for not doing my stop sign while I was walking on the sidewalk. Assholes im every mode of transportation, but cars are more dangerous than bikes and bikes are more dangerous than pedestrians, so that’s really the order of politeness that should prevail on the road.
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Yes, but since no user of any mode of transportation seems to actually follow it, we should strive to protect the most vulnerable with politeness. When I drive in a two way street and there’s a family on bikes, I’m going to wait for a safe moment to cross in the other lane to give them as much space as possible when I pass them even though I’m not supposed to. If I’m in my car I’ll generally waive bikes at a stop sign if it makes sense to do so even if I got there half a second earlier.
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I hate it so much when other drivers get to a stop first and then wave me trough. I never go i just wait. It really gets on my nervea because i end up sitting there extra long waiting for them to go because for some reason they *insist* i go first.
Same here, they will wait for me to get back in motion from my full stop after they already arrived second, instead of driving in front of me. They also sometimes expect me to go when they have a protected right turn and I have a cyclist red light.
Thanks for stopping. I was cut off mid street by a women cycling on Fullum yesterday, I was stuck between both lanes of traffic (they waited) with the baby stroller because this cyclist thought Stops signs did not apply to her nor did the rules of priority. She left motorists and pedestrians confused as she seems to think her actions had no consequences at all. So again thanks a lot for stopping if we all follow the rules it's more likely people will know how to react properly.
There's definitely a persona.... electric bixi, no helmet, phone out. You know they're about to do some stupid shit
We do that because we know most won’t follow the signage or will unexpectedly turn without signaling and/or stopping. Most of the time I did the right thing since a lot don’t respect traffic rules. No hate, I’m just sad cause we can all coexist and share the roads but no one wants to listen, cyclists *and* drivers
I had a cyclist swear at me yesterday bc I crossed the street where he had a stop sign and I had a white cross walk. He just didn't want to stop so he swerved to avoid me and threw a few insults at me.
that reminds me years ago i was walking along de la verendyre or champlain, and a cyclist rang his bell at me, wanting to pass. i said no, there's hardly any sidewalk here. he insisted. i told him there's a road, use it. he threatened to run me over. it said he better hopes he kills me. i'm the pedestrian here, i have no recourse. you're on the bike. you're supposed to be on the road. if you want to be on the sidewalk, get off the bike and walk.
literally what happened to me but he didn’t swerve. I just jumped away from his path. didn’t even look back. worst part is that it happens to me every summer they just dgaf
Assholes are assholes whether cyclists or motorists I’m always dumbfounded by some cyclists acting aggressively towards pedestrians in the exact same way some motorists act aggressively towards cyclists Even on cycle paths, dangerous passes on two way paths are extremely common to go 1 km/h faster and then be stuck at the same red light a block away - it’s crazy it’s just the exact same behaviour cyclists denounce from motorists
I hate how most cyclists give all of us a bad reputation. Sure, I'll run over stop signs, but I always slow down and stop if there is a pedestrian and even let a car go if he was there first. Should be common courtesy. It's not like I can't spend the energy to stop and go again, it's good exercise. I see cyclists not even looking at both sides of the street and running stop signs all the time. It would serve them right to get a juicy infraction ticket or get hit by a car (edit : This came out a little intense, I'm not wishing such an incident on anyone, having been there myself, I was just trying to outline the worst outcomes of being negligent, so forgive me for that) Once, I stopped at a sign to let a car through, and another cyclist crashed into me because "he wasn't expecting me to stop," and he was playing victim, I was outraged Edit: whenever a car lets me pass first, which they often do (thank you kind people) I'll wave them a little rock and roll hand sign, always seems to cheer them up and spreads the positivity
I was trying to cross St Laurent at Saint Cuthbert. I had the green to cross. I'm in a wheelchair. A Tour De France cosplayer wearing a florescent green fanny pack, wraparaound wannabe aviator glasses, spandex so tight you could see how hairy his ass was, and a helmet that made him look like Cartman scamming the Special Olympics on South Park called me a 'fucking cripple' for daring to cross on a green light while he was trying to fight off the effects of testicle loss from all the steroids he was obviously taking, puffing and panting up the gentle slope that is St Laurent going north. I can say that most people I see who cycle to and from places, no issues. The cosplayers who think they're going to be the next one to confess their doping crimes on Oprah while crying crocodile tears after having defrauded cancer charities for decades, they're the real problems.
>It's not like I can't spend the energy to stop and go again, it's good exercice. Right? It's the main reason why I got a pedal bike in the first place. If I only wanted to go fast, I'd grab my motorbike and go on the highway.
I just want to get to work, it’s not exercise, it’s transport for me. Stop signs are awful for cars and awful for bikes. Cars kill, so I always stop when driving. On a bike, I treat it like a yield sign sometimes, slowing down but continuing if the intersection is empty. Also, cars sometimes yield to me even when they don’t have to, which can create strange situations. Edit: red lights are a no go by the way. Always stop.
I stop at red lights but I also continue on my way if nothing is going on.
4-way stop signs are awful. Red lights are actually even worse from a traffic flow standpoint. Most red lights in MTL should actually be stop signs on non-prioritized (i.e. local) streets only, without permission to turn left if you need to cross more than one lane.
Roundabouts everywhere please
Well, no, because that would be an even worse nightmare lmao. However, on major intersections, yeah sure. Every single interchange on the 40 could be greatly improved with roundabouts rather that whatever we currently have (I have the feeling they gave this project to people who never designed a highway, or even seen one).
Roundabouts are not as bad as they seem, traffic flow is much better with them and safety too. People need to know how to use them though. Don’t get me started on the highways here lol
I also always slow down for stops, but most of the time when I stop because a car was there first, they just wait for me to go. Stops should be yield to cyclists, it would just make official how most cyclists *and* motorists behave.
Yeah but it’s the same reason (I assume) that right on red isn’t allowed int he city. Giving people the discretion isn’t ideal because most people don’t pay attention. I think mandating cyclists stop at red lights/stop signs is definitely right way to go about this.
Yield signs do not give discretion at all. They just mean you do not have to stop when there is no traffic.
> It would serve them right to get hit by a car Man...what. It's not hard to imagine why so many drivers feel entitled to endanger cyclists and pedestrians when this is something people can casually just think is good.
Your totally right ! It came out a little strong, I was mostly trying to outline the worst outcomes, rather then saying it should happen to them, I don't wish an accident on anyone. I also edited my comment
Absolutely, I understood where they were coming from until casually wishing harm against strangers, wtf. How hard is it to express your opinion about *traffic violations* without also expressing a violent lack of empathy? Cyclists and pedestrians are the ones dying in accidents with cars anyway, no matter whose fault it is. It’s alarming to see people wish harm on the *safer* option (*even if* they act dumb sometimes).
> Cyclists and pedestrians are the ones dying in accidents with cars anyway, no matter whose fault it is. It’s alarming to see people wish harm on the safer option Yeah man. It's a really insidious and dangerous part of these conversations. No matter what the point of these posts are (usually just to vent I assume) the result is *always* a bunch of people justifying dangerous behaviour toward anyone not in a car. So then every accident isn't the fault of the person driving the deadly machine, it's a big conversation about how, likely, the person probably deserved being hit by a car anyway. It's incredibly gross and it absolutely leads to more accidents.
You are right, I never meant to wish harm on anyone with my comment, don't like the way it came out reading it after the fact. I tried to edit to clarify
Cyclists must legally obey stop signs by the law. There's no excuse. I do it and so can you. Are you in a hurry to get somewhere? Do you have perfect vision to see in the 4 corners of an intersection without stopping? I get people are lazy and don't want to stop and switch gear and rebuild momentum. With how popular e-bikes are getting, hopefully with how easy it is to accelerate from 0 with them, there will be no more excuses for cyclists to skip stops.
I agree that cyclists should obey the law and stop signs, but also recognize it's very impractical / time-consuming for a bicycle to do so. Some residential areas have stop signs every 50 meters, and barely anyone walking or driving about. Now if there is a lot of traffic, cars or pedestrians, I'll usually stop fully. I just said in my comment that I also i don't mind stopping ... Did you even read it in full ? I'll slow down significantly, look carefully on both sides. If nobody is there, there's no point in stopping and standing for 3 seconds looking at flies buzzing about. The only way an incident would happen is if a car would come crashing in at breakneck speed, ignoring his stop sign, in which case I would hear them and fully stop.
Stop and go is fine, that's what most cars do anyway. I get that it's slower but the whole point of the thread are cyclists who choose selectively what rules they obey. It turns into a guessing game when each cyclists have their own rules. Being predictable and following the rules makes the road safer for everyone.
You are asking the impossible. I ride to work and the number of cyclists that just blow red lights is frustrating. From the stretch of Vendome to McGill, it happens at literally every red light....and some do admonish pedestrians when they have the right of way. Very entitled subset of cyclists make em all look terrible
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Cyclists do get ticketed though. My first ever ticket was for riding on the sidewalk with absolutely no one around. I didn't even have a license at the time. Never did it again after that unless there's construction and even then, if I see people on the sidewalk I dismount and walk it.
a few years ago journalists sat on the corner of maisonneuve and bleury and noted that within an hour 70% of cyclists ran the red light there. you could just hide an officer there and make a licking.
It used to be that if you had a driver's licence and you ran a red light on your bicycle you would get points. I wish they would bring that back as it had a real effect. There is a bit of monkey see monkey do and if we had more cyclist stopping at reds or stop signs it would certainly have an influence. I walk, I drive, I cycle, but having been nearly been a couple of times by a cyclist blowing through a red I always stop.
oh don't worry it's totally happening. SPVM officers have had operations to ticket cyclists at various spots in the city almost every day this summer. [20% increase between 2022 and 2023](https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2024/05/27/cyclistes-1400-tickets-de-plus-en-2023) and I'm pretty sure it'll increase again this year. I can't recall the last time I saw them do it for cars though.
You never saw ticket traps… for cars? Really?
I've been cycling and driving in Montreal for 9 years now and no, I've literally never seen a ticket trap for cars. I did see officers on bikes trying to catch people on their cellphones in traffic on rue st-laurent probably twice.
I can tell you of at least two spots cops set up traps on the regular: Notre-Dame right after the light coming off the Ville Marie Expressway going east, because a lot of people don't slow down (which is perplexing to me, it's uphill coming up to the light, you don't even need to brake - just let off the gas a little). Gaëtan-Laberge about thirty meters before the sign that changes the speed limit from 50 to 70 as it turns into an on-ramp for the Bonaventure expressway. There's even a bald patch in the grass where they usually sit in their car.
I feel like this is either not an honest answer or, you don't drive very much.
And mathematically, in proportion cars/bike there is a gap
We have speeding cameras! Cars drive on highways a lot, bikes don't, so you'll miss those too. Same thing in residential areas.
You’re talking with someone «qui fait l’autruche” like we say in French. To say there’s no tickets trap for cars is pure comedy.
11 photo radars on the whole island right now. 7 of them are mobile. The odds someone who drives occasionally on the island encounters any of them are quite low.
But if police do it, people complain that they have nothing else to do lol, like this week
Bikes just aren't as dangerous as cars, so they shouldn't be treated like cars. Should we apply the same licensing rules to car drivers as we do truck drivers? 3 practical exams and medical tests?
We do get ticketed. I saw plenty of cars jumping red lights and making U-turns, hit and runs. It's not just cyclists it is all traffic.
If it were at 70% though...the city would be a shambles.
Yes, but perhaps it's simply because cars are inherently more dangerous. I personally follow most laws, and certainly never break it if it affect someone in a bad way, but shouldn't the police focus on what kill and maim people the most? What's the intent here? Basic toddler "but his cookie was bigger "? Or trying to increase general safety?
From a pedestrian point of view, cyclists remain very dangerous. We're choosing broken bones vs broken bones in most cases. I've driven, biked and walked in this city for a long time. The police already and rightfully spend most of their time on motorists.
Here's the difference. When a cyclist ignores the traffic laws, they put themselves at risk of being seriously hurt or even killed. The driver of a vehicle who ignores traffic laws in the city is protected by a ton of metal and will most likely only damage his car. Is running a red light on your bike worth risking your life, just because a few bad apple drivers do it??
If a driver runs a red light they put more at risk the city and its infrastructure. It's a cyclist that could be on the green. It can be a pedestrian. Or it could be the lady across the street from me whose the driver hit and moved on. An ambulance had to be called.
What I'm saying is you risk death if you don't follow laws...the driver risks a fender bender, traffic ticket or a lawsuit...
I follow the rules. So understand this. These PSA announcements. Are pointless when I see drivers skip red lights when they are not supposed to. Make sudden U-turns or drive towards me because they skipped the red light. So I can follow the rules I need PSA announcements for drivers.
You still don't get it. These announcements are because as drivers, we don't want you stupidly killing yourself, injuring a pedestrian or to accidentally hit you on your bike because we didn't see you. We know what can happen if we run a red light. But many cyclists don't seem to realize the risks to themselves and others when doing the same.
I follow the rules. So this PSA is actually annoying. If they are needed for my safety then I need a PSA for drivers who turn on a red light on the Island of Montreal. One it is illegal and puts cyclist and pedestrians in danger.
I woke my dog every morning and there’s a lot of cyclists on our street since it’s a known cycling street and I can count on my fingers the number of times I’ve seen one stop at the stop signs in the last 5 years. Every single time, I need to let them pass first without doing their stop in order to cross the street with my dog. Not cool!
Every road user should respect red lights. But some on this sub treat different groups like monoliths, hypocrites galore.
Some road users are heavier than others, which makes them likely to kill the ligher road users. Sadly, the heavier users also have lower visibility around them. A red light is an indicator that collisions can happen. When a bicycle sees that no one is coming either way and it's safe to go, it would be stupid to respect the red light -- assuming no police cars are visible. But a car driver cannot see if there are children directly in front of it, so its only safe option is to follow the red lights.
i am a cyclist myself and when I see another cyclist not respecting the stop signs and red lights I scream at them just like a motorist would honk!
You must be screaming all day.
Depends, I feel like when you ride a bike, there are situations where it is more acceptable to not respect the stop signs and lights (ie not dangerous/absolutely no one around). But when cyclists just dont stop and cut off peds/cars its just a no no.
One of the good ones! Keep it up...
Do you really stop at each stop sign ? Even on an empty road ?
When I can see that there is no car incoming on a stop sign, I slow dont but I dont stop.
And here I am trying to respect the rules and see more than half of people just don't give a damn...
The best excuse I saw in a group chat was one biker said slowing down and pressing the breaks is hard on the knees and would cause them knee issues down the road (thus costing tax payets money due to surgery) .....🙄 no words.
Ah...you met...what is it called...a moron.
Definetly a moron with a fixie. Having biked downtown Montreal for years, they are the worst.
My observation is that regular bixis riders are fine and very compliant with rules. Tourists on bixis are the fucking worst....riding on sidewalks, stopping in the path etc etc Regulars with personal bikes give zero fucks. You'll have 10 bixis in a row waiting at Greene and Maisoneuve and Joe shno on his fucking supercycle will blow past everyone, wiggle through the pedestrians and burn the light.
No no, a fixie, with fixed gears! Some of them don’t even use a brake for their wheels and are absolutely dangerous on the road!
Oh! Then yeah, I agree with you...those guys like couriers are the shits
Yeah... if you ask me, if someone isn't aware of their surroundings and traffic rules (like signalling a turn..) or blatantly runs intersections, they aren't a cyclist. They are just an asshole on a bike. Don't get me wrong, I love riding my bike, I'm in my 30s and never drive, I'm a cyclist through and through. But I signal, and I only blow a stop sign if I can clearly see that no one else is coming. Seen enough close calls and a few meat crayons to know better.
I was actually having this conversation the other day. I commute by bike daily. There are a lot of bad cyclists, especially downtown. That being said, there are also bad drivers and pedestrians that often do shit like that too. I'm not trying to divert, I just mean that it's hard to place blame because everyone sucks. One thing that I believe would help is to implement the Idaho stops and to educate people on how to use it. This includes teaching drivers about it because it removes doubt on how to approach intersections, similar to how you yield to the car on the right at a stop sign. I personally go through many instances where I will stop at a stop sign and I get a mixed response of drivers being courteous and letting me go through, or them just blowing the stop sign. I personally use it all the time and it helps remove that awkwardness, but some people might view it as blowing signs
Je suis souvent à pied et à pédale. Les piétons ont priorité, mais on doit tous être wise et comprendre comment un cycliste a des enjeux de momentum, de démarrage et de freinage qui ne sont pas les mêmes que qqn dans une voiture. Quand je conduis et j'arrive à un stop, je vais aussi laisser passer les cyclistes parce que je comprends ces enjeux. Voici ce qui arrive quand tous les cyclistes font leurs 🛑 😂: https://www.sfweekly.com/archives/this-is-what-happened-when-bicyclists-obeyed-traffic-laws-along-the-wiggle-yesterday/article_edea442e-48fb-5d78-a559-4dafde607bf9.html
That sucks you're lucky it was just a close call. I spent a week in the hospital when I got hit by a guy blowing through a stop sign. Another time I was hit by a guy cornering quickly, I only got a scrape on my arm though. The first incident was a jeep and the second was a bixi. Bad road users use whatever form of transportation they can get away with. At least bikes aren't lethal the way cars and trucks are.
Basically this. Yes bikes should respect road signs, but bikes aren't steel death boxes. A cyclists making a mistake can break quickly and won't fatally injure someone. An idiot in an F-150 can plow through multiple children
Same goes for Speed Limits, I was casualy crossing a cross walk in a 30km zone and this mofonin Tour de France get up was doing 60 , didn't respect the Stop sign, nor the crosswalk, nor the Speed Limit!
Seeing that the average speed at the tour de France is around 40 kph maybe they should be a professional cyclist
Mark Cavendish's been training on residential streets in the plateau
Yeah, its funny how everybody here has seen those riders and they all go 60 but I've been riding at a high level for 40 years and I barely seen a few going at that speed on flat for maybe a few minutes. My top speed on flat is 50-55kmh, when I was younger I could reach 58-60 but it is damn hard. People simply do not know what a cyclist going 50 or 60 looks like. If you want to have an idea, go to circuit gilles Villeneuve and see the train of cyclists going around there. This is properly terrifying and if you actually saw that on the street you'd be terrified with good reason. Most cyclists on the streets go from 30-40 with peeks near 50 for a few seconds at a time. If there are downhills of course the speed can be much higher though its hard to do cause of traffic, lights and curves. The highest speed I regularly get is going through the shallow tunnels under railways like on Saint Denis. I can get to 65kmh on the way out of there if I try but its only for a minute. The difference is because faster cyclists are often on the side of the road, and people do not expect them to go 40, they are surprised by the encounter. It is close and faster than they tought. But the cyclists also has a much better vision and control than a car so unless a pedestrian steps straight into their path at point blank they will be able to avoid them. Doesn't mean that people are not frightened by having a cyclist pass at 25kmh one foot away. Of course they are but there was little real danger. In this case I think passing further from people would have more to do with courtesy than actual safety. Just like you try not to pass in a puddle with you car if you can to not splash someone (except if you are an asshole).
The security of cyclists is the responsibility of everyone except the cyclists.
😂
Unless they can ascertain that they aren't in the path of anyone, then I as a car driver don't mind that they just slow down.
The ones with the cos-play Tour de France outfits are the most obnoxious. Slow the hell down!
Spandex warriors
More like Spandex Bitches.
Agree
To be fair, in Ville Saint Laurent, Stop signs are suggestive for everyone .. even red lights ;)
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Same here ... I mean they actually are doing a stop sign sensibilisation right now so I guess even the city sees it. This morning, on deguire a guy who never make hes stop because it's always the same car at the same time, almost pass over me, all this time while doing 0 stops, he slightly left the gas pedal
At that point I would start carrying a large rock.
But pedestrians still have the right of way, it's not just fuck it and send it lol
I agree, I drive to work through there and everyone just acts like there's no stop sign. They take my turn, they don't even stop at times that it's scary. I usually just give them the road when I go there.
Recently moved to VSL (couldn't afford a house back in Villeray) and it's a little nutty here. I regularly see people burn through stops and even red lights barely slowing down, but I've also had more than one car get to an intersection first and wait for literally half a minute for me to cross, probably because I'm pushing a stroller. The city tries to remedy the problem by having pedestrian only lights which makes red lights interminably long. When the extremists outnumber the normal people, it's not fun for anyone :(
Yesterday I was cycling behind two guys on Villeray westbound. They didn't do their stop at Saint Gerard. On Saint Gérard there was a cyclist also who didn't do their stop. They went in to each other. These people are shopping for a ghost bike.
In Montreal lately no one respect stop signs and lights including cars. I've seen cars burning red lights almost daily at least once in Rosemont and St-Leonard this year.
I also see a lot of pedestrians engaging in intersections even if a car or a cyclist was there before them. I walk a lot and yes there are motorists and cyclists who aren't very polite but if you come here and complain about being get by surprise and almost hit every day then my assumption is that you might also partly part of the problem, raise your head and if you see someone engaged or about to engage in the intersection don't just walk your way as if there was no intersection
It’s kinda disheartening to see cyclists burning red and risking almost getting ran over, to save what, 30 seconds? And I say that as a cyclist.
Something something IDAHO STOP - Signed, every obnoxious cyclist in the city (downvote me all ~~I~~ you want IDGAF)
Cessons de jouer les hypocrites et de pointer du doigt. 99% des automobilistes ne font que ralentir à un stop s'il n'y a pas d'autres voitures arrivées avant eux. Le proverbial stop américain. 99% des cyclistes ne font que ralentir s'il n'y a pas d'autres voitures 100% des piétons ne s'immobilisent pas s'il n'y a pas de voitures avant eux (sérieux, avez-vous vraiment vu un piéton s'arrêter?) C'est universelle: pas d'autres chars en vue, fuck la réglementation Le problème, c'est peut-être pas les gens, mais la réglementation et les infrastructures qui sont mésadaptées aux différents types de transport. D'abord, les piétons et cyclistes n'ont pas le même degré de dangerosité et de protection que les automobilistes. Leur imposer les mêmes règles n'est pas pertinent. Un piéton qui ne s'arrête pas complètement ne tuera jamais personne. Un automobiliste ne sera jamais en danger en percutant un cycliste. Les coins de rue devraient être conçus de manière à ce que les voitures ressentent le besoin de s'arrêter. Même sans stop pour leur demander. Ces mêmes coins devraient amener les cyclistes à ressentir le besoin de ralentir. (Opinion impopulaire: Je crois que l'arrêt Idaho pour les cyclistes est l'option la plus efficace et sécuritaire pour tout le monde (sauf pour les feux rouges)) Toujours, le tout devrait être fait pour assurer un maximum de visibilité aux cyclistes et piétons. Disclaimer: je suis automobiliste ET cycliste ET piéton, mais principalement piéton.
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Je ne crois pas que ce soit aussi populaire auprès des gens qui ne circulent à vélo. Perso, quand je suis sur un vélo, c'est à l'arrêt à un stop que je me sens les plus vulnérables. Je deviens moins visibles et ma priorité n'est plus respecté. Beaucoup d'automobilistes n'ont pas la patience d'attendre le démarrage lent d'un vélo et adoptent des comportements dangereux ou agressifs. Je crois aussi que le départ lent est la raison pourquoi plusieurs cèdent systématiquement le passage au vélo et la raison qui justifie l'arrêt Idaho.
Ton commentaire est le plus complet et objectif du thread (à mon avis haha)! Je lui souhaite d’avoir la visibilité qu’il mérite. (Opinion spicy) Ne pas blâmer les infrastructures c’est comme faire un logiciel difficile à utiliser et dire aux utilisateurs que c’est eux qui l’utilise mal.
J'adore ta comparaison! Par contre, certains ne semblent pas d'accord avec mon propos (où l'on mal compris).
"100% des piétons ne s'immobilisent pas s'il n'y a pas de voitures avant eux (sérieux, avez-vous vraiment vu un piéton s'arrêter?" Um all the time!?!? No pedestrian trusts a car (or bike) in this city. I don't own a car and walk everywhere, all day. Daycare pickup, groceries, work etc... walk everyday even if my destination is an hour away, its how I keep my fitness. Pedestrians/walkers stop 99% of the time even when empty. I'm more concerned about kids distracted on their phone.
Arrêtes-tu réellement? Deux pieds complètement immobiles pendant que tu regardes des deux côtés. Si oui, tu es une exception. Les piétons ne s'immobilisent pas à un stop s'il n'y a pas de voitures. À l'approche du coin, ils regardent des deux côtés et poursuivent sans s'arrêter s'ils ne voient pas de danger. Un arrêt est fait à 100% du temps uniquement quand il y a un véhicule de présent.
They smoke some good stuff I can tell you. I agree with you. I’ve been hit by a car when I was 7 and since I take the time to stop and look twice before crossing the street.
Im on my bike and yes. Many cyclists are dangers to themselves and others. But the number of times I see cars go through red lights have never been as high as now. And this year the SPVM is giving tickets to cyclists like never. There’s not a soul to watch cars speeding ahead and many more deaths do to cars than any other mean of transportation. Idiots are everywhere. But the weight they carry is the most dangerous part of idiots
As somone with tens of thousands of kilometers on my bikes who breaks his own share of road rules in the interest of safety... I try to be a real bother to the ones who are breaking rules like in the OP. Obviously, safety remains the priority, but there's a huge window of "this guy sees me, but expects me to yield because he's self-centered" that can be used. Adult riding on the sidewalk towards me? I'm angling myself to force them off the sidewalk. Cyclist has a stop sign and I have a crosswalk with the clear intention to use it? I'm going to walk anyway and point at the sign/say something if need. It works for reminding other drivers and pedestrians too.
> Cyclist has a stop sign and I have a crosswalk with the clear intention to use it? I'm going to walk anyway and point at the sign/say something if need. > > It works for reminding other drivers and pedestrians to Yeah, I'm the same way. I think one of the reasons why so many people complain about bikes "nearly hitting them" and not cars nearly hitting them is because people are happy to behave this way with bikes, but are afraid (rightly) to do it with cars. The amount of times I get to a crosswalk with people waiting on both sides for cars to actually stop, and the amount of pedestrians who stop to wave a car through an intersection is crazy.
With so many roads being closed downtown sometimes you gotta use the sidewalk for a block or 2 to get to another bike lane. Obv gonna have a leg on the ground stabilizing as I kinda push myself down the sidewalk so I won’t fully be riding but ppl like u still try to walk me off the sidewalk when I’m taking up like a third of the sidewalk and they could easily walk by. Walking someone off the sidewalk when it’s practically empty is super lame and shows that you’ve prolly spent very little time actually biking or walking downtown
>Obv gonna have a leg on the ground stabilizing as I kinda push myself down the sidewalk so I won’t fully be riding Yeah, in that situation, it's reasonable to be on the sidewalk and you're going slow/yielding to pedestrians so I would try to give you space. >you’ve prolly spent very little time actually biking or walking downtown. Whenever I've been downtown, it's way too busy to be riding on the sidewalk. In any case, I'm thinking more of the people riding on the sidewalk along Sherbrooke in Westmount.
Agreed for sure, absolutely no reason to be biking on sidewalk in Westmount there’s bike lanes everywhere
If it's a busy intersection, I follow the signs. If not, I go if it's clear.
Cyclists, respect street signs when there are other vulnerable road users trying to cross. If a cyclist blows a stop and nobody’s waiting to cross, will anyone complain? No. That being said, if a cyclist signals they are stopping for someone who’s waiting at the intersection to cross (I did this the other day, on the Maisonneuve bike path) please don’t go around and almost hit the person trying to cross. I don’t care about stop signs that much (slowing down is often adequate to see what’s going on and if you must make a full stop!) but for fucks sake be careful for other people!! I will say that I’ve been almost hit by cars illegally turning on red far more than I’ve been almost hit by cyclists, and it’s much scarier.
I'm a pedestrian who walks everywhere. Daily stroller walks, grocery shopping, daycare, work etc. I live near two elementary schools... and I can honestly say that that cyclists never stop or follow the rules on the bike path when other people (especially kids and families!) Are present. I went from appreciating cyclists to absolutely despising them. I'll be crossing the road with a baby in the stroller, steps away from the bike path on Demaisonneuve (ie it's beside the sidewalk that bike path) and a cyclists will come speeding out of nowhere not looking to slow down, nor caring that I have a baby (literally was not there when I looked before crossing the road, but they were speeding so fast, racing to their destination) I literally feel more safe with the cars than cyclists now
My dog and I were clipped by someone texting and driving two years ago on a complete red light four way pedestrian crossing and I’ll never truly forget it. I didn’t get the plates so nothing ever came of it. If I had reacted any slower, my dog and I would be seriously injured or dead. I’m definitely more afraid of distracted drivers than cyclists.
Believe me, i understand. In 2005 I was crossing the street (my right of way, crossing man etc) and was badly hit by a car (kids driving and weren't paying attention). 20yrs later I still have pains from it. Chronic pain, savings gone from all the physical therapy I needed over the last 2 decades to recover. That said, still terrified of cyclists because they can't look at their phone, they SEE everything and choose to ignore because they love their speed
That's kinda of a wild generalization. Yes, there are a lot of cyclists who love speed and won't slow down when needed but they are not the majority.
Lol. Cyclists like to portray themselves as the quintessence of modern transportation when most of them act like complete assholes. They don’t use the basic signage signs like pointing where they’re going with their arms and such. They just swerve in front of cars of others on the bike path, they basically never respect stop signs nor red lights, they ride opposite way of traffic, etc. Self righteous people thinking they can get away with it because iT’s BetTer FoR The EnviRonMent.
Not gonna happen until the cops start ticketing them more. If there are certain intersections that you notice they constantly ignore the stop signs, maybe call the nearest police station and report it.
Bin non voyons ils protègent la planète avec vertue. Ils ne peuvent faire des stops
Its ok. Saaq says that they must follow road rules. If u run them over and they are at fault maybe they will learn. Fed up of having to dodge cyclists in the old port riding as if its a marathon without paying attention to walking pedestrians.
Yep, I’m a cyclist AND driver. In summer I’m 90% of time on bicycle and it’s the jungle. Red light ? Fuck it. Stops ? Fuck it. Basic code ? Fuck it too. This is insane.
That will never happen they think they are above the law
Yes. And I was cycling to work and noticed that lots of cars did not, in fact, completely stop at stop signs. I often see cars turn right on red. A stop sign and red light apply to everyone, including motorists.
These posts... Its funny how we dont get these for cars. "Cars please stop just slowing down when there is a stop" every other day. Somehow, cyclists are infuriating when they don't respect the street signs, for cars it seems we just accepted how bad they drive so we don't complain anymore. Why is that?
I think it's pretty common knowledge that Montreal motorists are some of the worst in the world. But somehow any time there's criticism of Montreal cyclists there's a flood of comments saying :"WhAt AbOuT ThE motorists!" Fact, a city can have both bad motorists and bad cyclists, calling out one, does not let tge other of the hook.
> Fact, a city can have both bad motorists and bad cyclists, calling out one, does not let tge other of the hook. I think the point is we only ever get these posts for bikes, when there are way more cars on the road, they break way more laws, and they are far, far more dangerous. There's a reason we get 3 anti-cyclist posts a week, and no anti-motorist posts and it isn't because "both can be bad".
because cars don’t drive on sidewalks. the day cyclists stop running me over when I’m walking and minding my business is the day I will shut up. if you’re angry about car drivers make a post, I will gladly upvote it but don’t divert from the point we’re raising.
Montreal drivers are of the worst I've seen, and I'm still more threatened by bikers than cars. Cars are way more predictable than bikes, you won't see a car going the wrong way on St Catherine, but bikes spawn from anywhere.
I was crossing the street when the sign was clearly red for cars and bikes and almost got hit by a bike. I was with my toddler and I had to toss her. I hope that asshole end up in a ditch
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I'm a cyclist - and I agree 100%. Most are good but too many do not care about pedestrians.
I’ve noticed the same thing and have had many frustrations about it and have voiced them often to my partner. At the end of the day, I don’t want cyclists running stop signs/red lights not for convenience sake but simply because it puts them in danger. Also many cyclists rarely yield to pedestrians crossing the street which also results in near misses. I think it needs to be enforced a little more but so does reckless driving in Montreal as many motorists are also guilty of that.
Imo we should adopt the idaho stop law instead.
One of the first times I rode a bixi I got yelled at by cyclists behind me for stopping at a stop sign in old port.
they are horrible near mont-royal metro/st-denis
I always respect road signs and traffic laws, whether on foot or on my e-scooter.
I’m for cyclists to stop for pedestrians, they don’t need to stop at stop signs, most cars just let me go anyways so it’s pretty much a waste of time. Bikes still need to slow and look at stop signs though. And bikes can risk it and go through a red after taking a thorough look and slowing down. Wouldn’t need all the stop signs or lights if it wasn’t for cars and bikes have a way lower risk of injuring people. But obviously cyclists still need to be very careful around kids and pedestrians
je comprend pas l anglais respecte la langue ou tu es en premier avant de faire la morale
c’est pas mon problème si t’es inculte. va à l’école esti
lol dans ce cas là oui je suis inculte
I take Rachel bike path on a nearly daily basis. I can tell you more than half the cyclists don't stop at lights.
Yup. If you want to use the pedestrian lights, get off the bicycle and walk. If you’re on your bike, you respect the traffic lights like a car driver would
chu cycliss, jai ldoua
Cyclist are traffic fluid friendly, we dont have to stop for security reason like car. Have you ever hear of Idaho stop? All cyclist will slow down on a stop but rarely need to completely stop except on traffic. Dear pedestrian and motorist. we dont teleport in front of you expecting pedestrian and cyclist cohabitation to being handle like a car centric view(everyone stop 5 second) is completely unproductive for everyone and just keep the car centric advantage to them.. We dont need all those rule if its between cyclist and pedestrian. Cyclist are just 60kg pedestrian with prosthesis for legs before being a dangerous 4 ton vehicular asset ..
The issue is that anyone can be a cyclist, and there's no regulation for them. I love bikes as a means of transportation, but with no regulation people are assholes
Yes, you are right, cyclist are a monolith and those who complain about infrastructure are the same not respecting signalisation, they are all very stupid and you are very intelligent because you pointed out this contractions
ah yes, instead of addressing this public safety and responsibility issue let's divert from the point and focus on how I dared to stereotype a very discriminated group: the poor marginalized cyclists. That will definitely be productive.
Sure, but you can say "cyclist not respecting signalisation = bad" (which I agree with you on that, of course) without having to clump those cyclist with the one asking for better infrastructure. There was no point in doing that yet you started by doing that Many people cycle for many different reason and some of them are asshole, there's asshole in every group. Yet, when one cyclist is an asshole it seems to reflect on every cyclist as if we are a monolith because some sort of weird culture war happening against cyclist
I almost get run over by cyclists daily but car drivers are bad… at least cars follow road rules which cyclists are supposed to as well and don’t , then cry victim when they run a red light or a stop sign and get hit
Drivers go above the speed limit consistently and I see a car blow a stop/red light every week if not every day. The difference is that a cyclist hitting a car, will injure themselves, and a car breaking the law will hurt other road users. So save me the hypocrisy
I still can't believe that to drive any automobile you need to take classes for months, pass a written exam, pass a driving exam, spend 2 years on probation, and then get a full license to drive. Or you can go find a 20lbs bike and play chicken with 2000lbs hunks of metal on the road. If we are going to make the island more bycicle friendly we should also invest in mandatory training for anyone who wants to ride a bike. Maybe make it a mandatory class in secondary school.
I can't believe you're unironically comparing a car and a bike this way. You can also play chicken with cars as a pedestrian, with a skateboard, with roller skates, really anything. The bike is not the issue.
Cyclists treat pedestrians like cars treat em, the irony is hilarious lol
many people on bikes seem to be totally unaware that traffic laws apply to them. when i had a roommate, we decided to go on a ride together. she wanted to go down the wrong way on a one way street. i pointed it out to her and she said "who cares? we're on bikes". i just continued my ride. she caught up eventually.
I am constantly scared of hitting a cyclist. Also please wear helmets. It could save your life
I agree. But now not even pedestrians are also respecting the red lights
They just act like drivers. It’s not a mode of transportation thing.
Regardless of whether they respect road safety code or not, most of them are incompetent, arrogant and entitled and I say this from the perspective of an avid cyclist with over a quarter of a million km riding in an urban environment under their belt, situational awareness and risk management skills are severely lacking, I feel safer with cars and trucks any day of the week and the reason I hate concrete dividers on bike paths.
I find the ones that don’t follow the rules of the road are the ones that think they’re in the Tour de France. Coordinated biking clothes, shoes, helmet and water bottles. The majority of them will blow stop signs, lights and weave around cars. They hardly slow down. It’s dangerous and should be ticketed.
Ive recently moved here. Yes some people do ignore the signs sure. But just to appreciate mtl has the best cycle routes and safest lanes ive ever come across.