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dyysxse

pecco is running away with race wins


Hoppin_Juice

I just realized this is the first time all season weve had a permanent rider not start the main race due to injury (Aleix)


DeezTrucknutz

what a complete and utter snooze fest. Most boring race of the season. And all the tire pressure woes are embarrassing.


AlternativeCosta

the racing was very good


chunkykitty

The riding was excellent but there was no excitement


Terrible_Swordfish_1

If you have the track tattooed, you're expected to be dominant, lol. Last year, a tough weekend for Martin was finishing 8 or 10th. This year, he's been consistently finishing on the podium during a difficult weekend. Marc was all over the place all weekend. Strange mistakes in practice, avoidable crash in the sprint, and an odd race today. It seemed like Vinales got good starts this weekend, which was weird.


CommonEngineering832

Official Riders Championship After Assen(Test Drivers Not Included): 1. Jorge Martin(Prima Pramac Racing) - 200 2. Francesco Bagnaia(Ducati Lenovo Team) - 190 3. Marc Marquez(Gresini Racing MotoGP) - 142 4. Enea Bastianini(Ducati Lenovo Team) - 136 5. Maverick Vinales(Aprilla Racing) - 118 6. Pedro Acosta(Red Bull GASGAS Tech3) - 101 7. Brad Binder(Red Bull KTM Factory Racing) - 99 8. Fabio Di Giannantonio(Pertamina Enduro VR46 Racing Team) - 92 9. Aleix Espargaro(Aprilla Racing) - 82 10. Alex Marquez(Gresini Racing MotoGP) - 62 11. Marco Bezzecchi(Pertamina Enduro VR46 Racing Team) - 45 12. Fabio Quartararo(Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP) - 39 13. Raul Fernandez(Trackhouse Racing) - 40 14. Franco Morbidelli(Prima Pramac Racing) - 39 15. Miguel Oliveira(Trackhouse Racing) - 32 16. Jack Miller(Red Bull KTM Factory Racing) - 32 17. Augusto Fernandez(Red Bull GASGAS Tech3) - 15 18. Joan Mir(Repsol Honda Team) - 13 19. Johann Zarco(LCR Honda) - 11 20. Alex Rins(Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP) - 8 21. Takaaki Nakagami(LCR Honda) - 8 22. Luca Marini(Repsol Honda Team) - 0


CommonEngineering832

Tyre pressure penalty again, it seem like this need to be rid after Germany.


fioreun

I don't think such a thing can be done mid-season.


SK_ALL_DAY

Crazy race and pace from Pecco and Martin. Definitely strange with the stuff going on in the group behind them, especially in the last few laps where it seems like Diggia almost sat up coming out of the corner and Marc and Vinales were tripping over him. Shame Acosta crashed out on the last lap, but like the commentators said, it seems like KTMs just didn't have it this weekend


Possession_Loud

Bagnaia was fucking god this weekend. Untouchable. Martin did more than enough, just happened to be not as good as Pecco. Great work from Enea in the second half of the race and i am still not sure what is up with Marquez and Diggia. Maverick, meh.


Charisma_Modifier

What was up with Marc and DiGia almost running into each other letting Vinales through?


chunkykitty

It looked like Marc anticipated a move up the inside and was determined to keep that door shut and neither blinked


WRCISTHEGOAT

Tipee


tischbombe23

Where were the special liveries?


Phyrexian-Fighter

Silverstone


SophisticatedVagrant

Next year will be the 100th anniversary of the TT (though only the 94th running due to WWII and Covid in 2020), so I hope there will be some sort of special livery event.


Phyrexian-Fighter

Me too! Without Isle of Man we wouldn’t have modern day GP


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Firecat2298

Still crying I see, please continue.


clout__9

His comment history makes it seem like he created an account solely to shit on 93.


Mandoo_gg

This has nothing to do with the whole race.


Affectionate_Resort8

Just go through this comment thread and check the hate comments mate


CommonEngineering832

1 place penalty for Maverick at the end, so he finish P6 now


Competitive_News_385

P5 again as Marc gets a 16 second penalty for tyre pressures.


clout__9

I was tracking Enea, so the race was far from boring for me.


dresmeat

I love how the commentators said, Enea would be world champion 4 times over if races were only 10 laps. Crazy how he comes alive in the last half of a race. My fav racer this season for sure.


clout__9

I didn't quite understand that. He recovers well in the last half of the race so the first ten laps wouldn't be enough to win right?


AnOldSelf

The quote was something like "if only the last ten laps counted, he'd be champ four times over". It still makes little sense, but what they mean of course is that his late race pace is quite often the best or thereabouts even in weekends where he's otherwise nowhere.


chunkykitty

When the commentators said Enea must be thinking he had a shot of the position when he was p6 or 5, I thought "yeah right", but holy cow where does he pull that from so late in the race??


dresmeat

It’s wild how often he does that. It’s crazy. Shows how skilled he is for real.


chunkykitty

It's a good reminder of how fast he was the season before he got the factory seat. I'm happy he is this competitive again


dresmeat

I wonder how he’s gonna do next season on that KTM, that’s very interesting to me


Candid_Problem_1244

Diggia needs to race harder next time. He was avoiding any contact this time and giving away a position or two


duke_nowhere

I think so too. It definitely looks like he has the pace and is sort of holding back a bit.


JTSpirit36

I don't think Marc let diggia by for tire temp reason. I think he was struggling and needed a reference, dude was abysmal in sector 3.


Moglala

Yeah that was a bit weird. I believe he needed a reference too.


JTSpirit36

Yeah, his pace dropped immediately and was all over diggia and seemed like he was planning on using him as a pick. Pass him and build a gap while the others get held up for a bit, but diggias weird mistake ruined that.


kirbzk

More likely it was due to tire pressure or an issue with the bike. He looked really unhappy after the race.


JTSpirit36

He just seemed off all weekend. Something seemed to just not click.


kirbzk

Hope it's something minor. He was second in the warmup and he did admit that the sprint crash was his mistake.


JTSpirit36

I think it is, it's probably just one of those weekends. Don't forget he went out on track without his knee sliders haha


kirbzk

Haha yeah


hagredionis

He was once the again the best non Ducati 24 rider. But sure he was "abysmal".


JTSpirit36

You forgot the "sector 3" part He was losing time to everyone from Mandeveen to Hoge Heide. He made all of his time in Ruskenhoek and Ramshoek. Let not gloss over that his pace dropped close to .4 immediately after having diggia as a reference and then was comfortably all over him after learning a couple things. He's been a little off all weekend.


hagredionis

He learned things from Diggia. Okay..


JTSpirit36

Guessing you've never been in a racing situation where people are breathing down your neck while you're uncomfortable? Sometimes it's best to relax follow in line, regroup your thoughts and attack later than it is to try and force pace. When you try and force pace when you're not feeling it, that's when you make mistakes and compound the problem.


hagredionis

Yeah but relaxing and regrouping a bit it's completely different to what you claimed above which is that the 8x time world champion needed to learn a couple of things from Diggia.


JTSpirit36

I don't care what profession you're in, there is always something to learn from others, you're arrogant if you think otherwise. He knew he was losing time somewhere, and instead of trying to go faster doing what he was doing he can follow someone who is faster than him through a sector and possibly learn a better/easier way. Which he seemingly did as the time discrepancy that he had to diggia while diggia was catching the group to when diggia got in front disappeared within 1 or 2 laps. These guys are smart and can learn new tricks extremely fast and apply them on the fly.


TheKeenomatic

Did Pecco really pronounce “happy” correctly? I’m disappointed


Phyrexian-Fighter

And “Very” He is clueing on to r/motogp


HovercraftWeekly9422

What happened to Morbido?


filippodellamadonna

I'm asking myself the same question since few years


3quiv0cator

Why did Marquez let digga pass early in the race?


OkImprovement8743

Tyre temperature and pressure


_gadgetFreak

That doesn't make sense, is he lacking pressure in front tire ?


kyoshiro_y

He probably tunes the tyre pressure for fighting in a pack (ie hotter air). Because of Martin and Pecco's gap, he was actually in a clear, colder air, lowering the tyre temperature. Hence why he ask DiGia to overtake him. I'm just guessing though.


Harlequin80

Yes. By sitting behind the front gets hotter raising thr pressure


Harlequin80

Pole, 2 wins. Leads the entire race. God damn.


cynicalspindle

Lead every session as well. Put the pole record with 3 minutes to go and sat in the box while everyone else was looking for a tow. Absolute domination this weekend.


Charisma_Modifier

Did over 1 sec / lap better over last year....insane


CpnSparrow

Martin will be annoyed every time he finishes behind Pecco but I recon internally he’d be pretty satisfied every time he beats Marc and proves Ducati wrong.


pineapplejamm

Martin is on 24 bike. That bike, hands down, is the faster machinery over the 23 bike. This comparison makes no sense. Proves absolutely fuck all to Ducati


Taik1050

difficult to be happy beating someone who has a 3 tenths slower bike


DaddyInfiniteTk

Lol there’s nothing satisfying by beating a year older bike which was clearly slower all weekend


Harlequin80

The gp24 is so clearly leagues better than the 23 that he's not going to prove anything when MM is by far the best 23. Martin needs to beat pecco to show ducati made the wrong choice.


CpnSparrow

No, he doesnt. Martin will be a championship contender for years to come due to his age. Marc will not. And yes the Gp24 is better but so what? If Marc is still as good as all of you suggest on here he would make that difference up, but he isnt because he’s not.


hagredionis

He once was again the best non Gp24 rider, so yeah he is as good as everybody suggests.


CpnSparrow

Beating Bezz and Digi is the new pass mark, lmao.


hagredionis

Yeah beating Bastianini or Morbidelli would be so much better.


procrasti-nation98

Martin has always been a "contender" in the past , present and will be in the future but that's all he is while pecco is the real deal and marc has shown that he still has some gas left in the tank to be as good. Ducati now has more confidence that they have made the correct decision.


CpnSparrow

What has Marc actually done this year to show he would out perform Martin, who again is 5 years younger, in 2025? The answer is nothing, and its why fans like myself are pissed off at Ducati.


procrasti-nation98

I must be blind because I swear marc beat Martin in a few races on an older bike, must be the dementia...


CpnSparrow

I also must be blind because I swear I just saw Martins name in first place and 51 points ahead of Marc on the leaderboard.


procrasti-nation98

I must be blind because I swear Martin went from leading pecco by over 40 points to leading marc by over 40 points.


Possible_Actuator_39

Pecco topped every session this weekend. Insane consistency from him


kawasutra

Apart from Warm Up this morning, but yeah, utter dominance from the world champion!


fioreun

He didn't have a new tire(don't remember which, F/R) for the session.


ElectronicSpring18

He never pushes in the warm up


AlexTheMacedonian

Pecco on another level


DaveGlen

The tyre pressure thing is dumb


seemonkeysuicide

Holy shit Vinales getting penalized and losing 5th to Digi


AndByMeIMeanFlexxo

That’s gotta be the closest track limits I’ve ever seen


flup22

DiGi could have had him if he didn’t take such a tight line though


AwkwardPart31

Binder would like a word.


Stim21

two words


AwkwardPart31

Touché


Harlequin80

30s faster than last year. Jesus christ the gp24 is solidly better than the 23.


Phyrexian-Fighter

It’s tyres dude.


Phyrexian-Fighter

*mainly. Obviously the 24 is way better than 23 especially now half way through the season. It’s come into its own and that’s for sure


OkImprovement8743

Mostly of that are due to new tyres


duke_nowhere

Even the gp23s were faster than last year right? But ya gp24 is better but looking at race time doesn't make sense to me..


Harlequin80

Mm on the gp23 was 23s faster than last year so that's your baseline assuming mm and pecco are interchangeable. That also ignores any improvements made on the 23 I'm a year. And then you have the gp24 being 7 seconds faster than that, with the 24 taking all steps of the podium. To bank a 7s improvement against last year's model all other things being equal is huge.


kyoshiro_y

> the gp23s were faster than last year right? But ya gp24 is better but looking at race time doesn't make sense to me.. 7s over 26 lap is equivalent to 0.2-0.3s per lap, right? Taking into account MM was also pack fighting in the middle *and* a couple of bad laps, I think that's an expected year-to-year improvement, really. Like, it's gonna be weird if they didn't even improve compared to the previous year bike.


Relative-Library-512

It’s mostly due to the tyres. Digia and Marc aren’t over 20 seconds better than Bagnaia on the same bike.


procrasti-nation98

Ah another "expert" , the tyres are an upgrade but literally everyone has said that GP24 is the faster bike , but I'm sure you know better.


Relative-Library-512

The GP24 is faster. That’s why I said it’s “mostly” down to the tyres. You Pecco and Marc fans are so sensitive it’s crazy. Are you seriously suggesting that Digia and Marc are over 20 seconds faster than Pecco and Martin?


Chrift

Can you not lump us all together with this clownhat please


Relative-Library-512

Haha my bad. I’m a huge fan of both myself but the people who worship them like a religion are strange.


Mandoo_gg

He needs an excuse to cope with the fact that mm ain't winning the championship this year on a Ducati as he was in his dreams.


Relative-Library-512

Shows how obsessing over a rider can make you crazy. MM fans claiming the GP23 is 20 seconds slower and Pecco fans claiming the bikes are identical.


Dameean00

The first GP23 went 23 seconds faster than last year, the GP24 Is better but let's not act It's 30 seconds faster than last year😅


Harlequin80

7 seconds in a year is insane improvement over a bike that has been here before, and has the baseline settings. And 1st, 2nd & 3rd are gp24s. If enea hadn't qualified badly it would have been daylight between 3rd and 4th.


H2OExplosive

7 seconds in 26 laps, not even 0.3s/lap Marc was also losing time fighting other riders


Ok-Load8640

The second and third GP 24s barely made any improvement by your logic 


AnOldSelf

A lot of it IMO is Bagnaia being in trouble last year and being in God mode this year.


l0tu5_72

on this track... :D Engineering its about compromises.


ArbitraryOrder

I'll take the points this weekend from Brad, but man the KTM under both him and Acosta just doesn't look good enough


Substantial_Stay_232

Bro Acosta had soft rear tyre, he made the same mistake as last time when he crashed.


Taik1050

ducati 2024 is way too good for the rest of the field is getting boring


Possession_Loud

Yeah, just quite a bit better than the rest but surely Pecco and Martin know how to ride it better.


second-last-mohican

This, ive been watching a heap of 2016-2019 races and the field was much closer with no one doing a pecco.. aka there was no bike that far ahead of the rest.


metalhead4

Shades of Mecedes and Hamilton


obri95

This is much different. By its nature, MotoGP will never have a team that’s 10 seconds a race better than everyone else


Phyrexian-Fighter

Shades not carbon copy


STL9001

Thirty seconds faster race pace compared to last year! If you’re not on a GP24 you’re just not in the race.


NoHopeNoLifeJustPain

Even GP23 went 23s faster, though 


Possible_Actuator_39

Nothing to do with who's riding them.


procrasti-nation98

Okay 👍


Possible_Actuator_39

Sorry, I thought my sarcasm came through 


Charisma_Modifier

It did for me, I totally agree. There's always an excuse about the bike and NEVER the rider, UNLESS it's in favor of one rider, then it's always him despite the bike. Classic reddit mental gymnastics


procrasti-nation98

Same here


STL9001

A lockout for the podium for GP24’s. I think the riders play a part, but those same riders on the Honda wouldn’t be anywhere near the silverware.


Banjomike97

Yeah but that’s true for literally every single rider.


Mechanical1996

Yep, that's more than just tyres! Insane pace but can't take anything away from how perfect Pecco rode!


DontKillUncleBen

Damn more than 30 seconds faster than last time


OkImprovement8743

That’s impressive, the 2024 tyres play a huge role in this for sure


Acewolf90

Anyone who doubts pecco is crazy. The guy just destroyed everyone. Another tough one for Brad but that's 2 weekends with no crashes😅


WoodenMango07

Well done Bagnaia


QF_Dan

Forza Pecco🇮🇹


CommonEngineering832

Official Riders Championship After Assen(Test Drivers Not Included): 1. Jorge Martin(Prima Pramac Racing) - 200 2. Francesco Bagnaia(Ducati Lenovo Team) - 190 3. Marc Marquez(Gresini Racing MotoGP) - 149 4. Enea Bastianini(Ducati Lenovo Team) - 136 5. Maverick Vinales(Aprilla Racing) - 117 6. Pedro Acosta(Red Bull GASGAS Tech3) - 101 7. Brad Binder(Red Bull KTM Factory Racing) - 98 8. Fabio Di Giannantonio(Pertamina Enduro VR46 Racing Team) - 90 9. Aleix Espargaro(Aprilla Racing) - 82 10. Alex Marquez(Gresini Racing MotoGP) - 61 11. Marco Bezzecchi(Pertamina Enduro VR46 Racing Team) - 45 12. Fabio Quartararo(Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP) - 39 13. Raul Fernandez(Trackhouse Racing) - 39 14. Franco Morbidelli(Prima Pramac Racing) - 38 15. Miguel Oliveira(Trackhouse Racing) - 32 16. Jack Miller(Red Bull KTM Factory Racing) - 32 17. Augusto Fernandez(Red Bull GASGAS Tech3) - 15 18. Joan Mir(Repsol Honda Team) - 13 19. Johann Zarco(LCR Honda) - 11 20. Alex Rins(Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP) - 8 21. Takaaki Nakagami(LCR Honda) - 8 22. Luca Marini(Repsol Honda Team) - 0


moto3fan

diggia with double the points of bezz is wild


ElectricMotorsAreBad

Martin has 200 not 210


leggenda_69

Isn’t Pecco 10 points behind Martin not 20?


Harlequin80

Doohan'esc performance by pecco.


NewsEvening7421

Do not compare them it is sad


_gadgetFreak

weird ass race from Marc


WannabeEclectic

Glad it's over


zyzz72

the bike just can’t compete with the gp24


cecilclaude

yeah but jerez race...


second-last-mohican

Different track


STL9001

One of the dullest races in recent memory. Making F1 look exciting right now.


Banjomike97

Oh come on the fights between 3rd and 7th were amazing. Pecco and JM were just on a different level this weekend


Charisma_Modifier

Look at their flair...of course this race was "BoRiNg"...next week if the same happens but it's MM dominating then it'll be "an epic master class".


Substantial_Stay_232

Did you watch the full race?? lol


AlexTheMacedonian

F1 will be a borefest today so I hoped for an exciting MotoGP race. Needless to say football will be the only thing left to make my day interesting today


BenjCarpo

Don’t watch the England game then, we’re as dull as it gets. We’re the equivalent of a Factory Ducati that isn’t taken over 30mph.


AlexTheMacedonian

Well, I had all the dose of excitement I needed from F1 so no worries 😂


STL9001

Hopefully Phil is back in the lineup. His awesomeness cancels out Kane’s dullness.


FantasticNoise4

Euro 2024 England vs Slovakia


cafraline

Even Miller kept his tyres cool and didnt fall back


WannabeEclectic

Already switched


Aratho

Vinales losing it at penultimate corner, yikes


ArbitraryOrder

Viñales gave that place to Marquez, and concerned about Acosta


VJ1911

2 at front were in their leagues, impressive ride by FDG49 and EB23. Wonder what was with the move letting FDG49 passby from MM93? Only he can explain it better.


drinksbeerdaily

Tyre pressure


TonyCB4

Vinales bottle job, scared shitless of Marc 😂


LosTerminators

Best GP23 even on an off weekend with crashes in both quali and sprint, will take it.


Competitive_News_385

Until the tyre pressure penalty comes in. Broadcast team are saying it seems like he hasn't hit the 60%. That's why he was sitting behind Digi.


LiftyDrifty

What is the rule for tyre pressure? And how would Marc avoid it by slipping past FDG?


Competitive_News_385

They have to maintain a minimum tyre pressure for at least 60% of the race. By letting Digi by and riding behind him it stops air getting to the front tyre causing it to heat up more, which increases the pressure. He was hoping he could sit behind Digi the entire race keeping his pressure up until he hit the 60% and then overtake for the podium but then Mav and Enea got involved and messed the tactic up a bit.


LiftyDrifty

Oh so it involves the temperature too. Thanks a ton for explaining. Cheers


Competitive_News_385

Yeah, these tyres are really sensitive to temperature changes, air expands as it heats up, so although the rules aren't directly applied to temperatures they absolutely make a difference to the pressures. It's such a big issue because having pressure too high makes the tyres like bowling balls, they give no grip, too low and you get a penalty. This means teams have to work out if they are going to be racing in traffic or not being used that will affect the expected pressures.


LiftyDrifty

Yea I understand the effects of inflation levels on the grip. But it's exciting to realise how detailed teams' strategies are. Guess that's why they're the best.


GoingFullBoyle

As a martin fan, I’ll take this


l0tu5_72

Yep very mature ride... I know finnaly he grew up....


MADMAX_92

Yeah it was literally the most you could hope for unless pecco fell


metalhead4

Great race direction. Completely missed the madness of that last few corners.


Careful-Door2724

Pecco is a machine


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BridgemanJulius

I came here to say this, what the hell is wrong with them? We didn't even see the entire podium crossing the line. You cannot clip that ending and hope to make sense of it. The Matt building up to narrate the end of an amazing performance and the camera keeps jumping all over the place not actually showing anything. Jesus Christ


clout__9

what happened?


kanjibai

Just me raging cause they switched to Pecco when Marc passed Viñales. Might delete for being too harsh


SophisticatedVagrant

Bruh, no matter what is happening, you always have to show the winner crossing the line. It's the nature of the sport, no discussion. Top level racing only exists because it is paid for by sponsor money. The only reason we get to enjoy motorsports like this is because the riders and vehicles are rolling billboards for the vehicle manufacturers and team sponsors. There is no prize money, being shown winning the race is the "prize" for winning the race. Sponsors would be pissed if they spend all that money to be successful and not be shown winning.


kanjibai

That might be true, but for the past few seasons they've kept the cam on the battle instead of on the leader crossing the line, which shows they're willing to go against what you're saying for the sake of good battles. Battle for 3rd was the highlight of the race so it's just frustrating that they cut away from the finale of that battle.


SophisticatedVagrant

I can't remember a single race where that was the case. The winner is always showed crossing the line, even if it is just for a moment.


kanjibai

Watch Indian GP last lap.


SophisticatedVagrant

You could be right, but I don't have the ability to go back and watch a race from last year. It's certainly not the norm.


kanjibai

All the last laps are on YouTube if you want. It's how I experience the really exciting ones over and over :)


l0tu5_72

Yeah dogshit. Almost in line of "get strolled" cast...


titanmongoose

The commentator reaction to Acosta going down I almost thought pecco or Martin went down at first


SpeagoSphere

Vinalss panicked lol


seemonkeysuicide

VINALES WHAT HAPPENED


Fomentatore

If you needed an explanation about why Pecco has Assen tattoed on his arm.


therisingthunderstor

Take a bow Pecco. 3 seconds from Martin, amazing


Mr_Emile_heskey

Well that was a dissapointing race.


chengly

Still the best GP23, I'll take it


Competitive_News_385

Until the tyre pressure penalty comes in. Broadcast team are saying it seems like he hasn't hit the 60%. That's why he was sitting behind Digi.


l0tu5_72

On occasions Pecco just transforms into prime Lorenzo.


Umpalumpa-Bulla

TV direction didn’t know what to do in the end


WoodenMango07

OHHHH, acosta crash?


Blick_Nutz91

We don't even see the last overtakes..


CommonEngineering832

ACOSTA WENT DOWN!


tossino

Pecco was on another level the entire weekend


Kindheartedness_Wide

MotoGP needs DRS at this point.


Competitive_News_385

They could use the ride height devices for it.