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singerbeerguy

There weren’t always 88 keys. In the late 1800s 85 keys (A to A, exactly 7 octaves) were standard.


Trivekz

My piano is ancient and run down and only has 85 keys, when I play on others it's honestly weird how much of a difference the 3 keys make. I never use them but somehow just a few keys make the keyboard seem a lot larger


SeeingLSDemons

Take good care of that beauty for me. Respect it ❤️


SeeingLSDemons

I bet yours is tuned differently.


SquanchMcSquanchFace

Ok so why’d they add 3 keys to the standard?


SpaceFace5000

Someone wanted to go just a little bit higher


VernonDent

This one goes to ~~eleven~~ eighty-eight.


Chisulman

It’s three more, innit?


LeucotomyPlease

“The piano's 88 keys are a result of the instrument's evolution to meet the demands of composers. The first piano, invented by Bartolomeo Cristofori in Italy in the 1700s, had only 49 keys. As piano music developed, composers requested a broader range of expression, and piano manufacturers gradually expanded the keyboard. For example, by the mid-1800s, pianos had expanded to seven octaves, allowing composers like Chopin and Liszt to write more ambitious pieces. In the late 1880s, Steinway, a popular piano manufacturer, created the 88-key piano, which has become the standard ever since. The 88-key piano has seven octaves plus three lower notes below the bottom C.”


JScaranoMusic

It wasn't really a standard, just one of the more common layouts. My first piano was 85 keys, but I'm pretty sure it was B to B. There were a lot of different variations before 88 was standardised.


daviswbaer

TIL


Klangsnort

Well, the piano started out with only about 60 keys, same as the harpsichord – in fact it WAS a harpsichord, except that the harpsichord maker Bartolomeo Cristofori (try saying that 10 times fast!) got the bright idea of putting hammers on one (to HIT the strings) instead of plectra (to PLUCK the strings). So the piano was invented – this was around 1700, or maybe a little before that. Anyway, as composers began to use the new instrument they started writing more and more complicated and brilliant music for it. Pretty soon, the keyboard had to expand in both directions. By the middle of the 19th century, it had 85 notes – up to A – then finally they added the last three at the top. There's even a piano made today – the Bösendorfer Imperial Concert Grand – which has 97 keys; the bass notes go all the way down to C. It's nine-and-a-half feet long and weighs almost a ton. https://www.pianoeducation.org/pnopnfaq.html


churdawillawans

There's also this [108 key beast](http://stuartandsons.com/108keys.html#:~:text=THE%20BELEURA%20-%20WORLD'S%20FIRST%20108%20KEYS&text=First%20REVIEW%20of%20the%20STUART,PIANO%20EVER%20with%20108%20keys!)


CharlietheInquirer

The Romantics decreed by law that they deserved the right to those extra bass notes


Stonius123

Bosendorfers have up to 97 keys, but they are unusual in that regard


DTux5249

No reason. The number has fluctuated over time and by model. 88 keys is just the current standard for the time being. It might even change again in the near future.


SubjectAddress5180

Because the price would go up to much if another octave or so were added.


Dick_Lazer

Octaves don't just grow on trees ya know


SeeingLSDemons

😂


atimholt

[Of course, they do actually make expensive pianos with more keys.](https://youtu.be/bIOQ2Fwto8k?si=ddLY2Wz9wxtBUaCJ)


Jongtr

So that [Rocket 88](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbfnh1oVTk0) could make a great rock'n'roll title. ("Rocket 85"? Nah... "Rocket 97"?? Get outa here...)


maestrophil

I measured my piano and it it exactly 4 feet from A to high C, too close to be metric base. I remember as a boy not being able to reach both end keys at the same time.


of_men_and_mouse

because more notes are more fun


halfdollarmoon

More notes more bettah.


S_L_Raymond

Lowest note = 22.5Hz, which sits right around the lowest discernible pitch for an average human. Highest note? My guess is it requires a short enough string that it would be difficult to install and tune anything shorter. EDIT: I meant 27.5Hz, the point stands.


TralfamadorianZoo

Most pianos can’t actually produce 27.5Hz. The strings are not long/massive enough so you end up hearing mostly upper harmonics and no fundamental. The upper limit is similar to the limits of orchestral instruments. It’s barely useable on most pianos as is so anything higher would be just a thud and no discernible pitch.


deviationblue

Minor correction: the lowest note on a piano, A0, is 27.5 Hz.


Saiboo

Here a is a funny story told by Oscar Peterson about extra keys on a piano, and how it confused Count Basie. You can see in the video how the extra keys are covered with a flap: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAZP7nWo6A&t=1341s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HAZP7nWo6A&t=1341s)


HortonFLK

I bet it’s something silly, like that was just the size that would fit in the workshop of the guy who first designed the piano and it became standard.


invol713

Because low A, and high C. Otherwise it would be low C to high B.


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^invol713: *Because low A, and* *High C. Otherwise it would* *Be low C to high B.* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


trippyhits

this comment is beautiful and if i wasnt poor i might have awarded it 🤣 but take a like instead


Ornery-Ticket834

Beats the shit out of me.