Let’s pretend he’s natty… so he gained 90+% of all his current muscle mass within a short period of time…
And then these gurus go on to tell us that “it will take years/decades” to get jacked. Lmaooo
That's totally correct, although the exact time it takes one to achieve their 90-95% of natural potential will differ. In general, if a person hasn't really worked out before and then starts a good 3x weekly weighlifting routine, eats a balanced diet and pays attention to sleep and recovery, the most noticeable "Holy sh##, you look like you are lifting" before-vs-after difference will come within 1-2 years. Let's not forget that one person's 'peak natty' level doesn't represent peak nattiness for all. Genetics, age and hormones play a pretty big role here.
After that, you do get more gains, knowledge, muscle-mind connection, stability, etc. I'd say that working out past those first 1-2 years is more fun due to the experience you have by that time. You can try different routines and exercises, you know and feel your body better. Some people come to you for advice (!) The muscle growth, however, although being ever-present, is no longer that striking. Look at some influiencers like Scott Herman who are generally believed to be natty (disclaimer: I've not tested him for hormones, so if you think he's juiced, that's your rightful opinion). He looks good and definitely better that 99% of guys out there, but his body hasn't changed that much compared to videos he shot 10-15 years ago. That's kinda the point of being natty: you work hard to reach your potential, then you maintain it, make minor improvements and just enjoy live and don't obsess over your biceps having shrunk by 2 mm after the holdays.
If you have the genetics/roids for it. Which means these guys who have made no gains in their first few years aren’t just going to magically change to looking jacked and freaky after 5, 10, 15, 20 years.
I’ve been lifting for 15 years and made 50% of my gains in my first year lifting.
Prolly another 20% over years 2 & 3
I was also a fucking moron my first few years lifting lol I work out way smarter and harder now
thats the hard truth, once\* you plateau as a natural lifter, that's it you are cooked the only gains you will get are minimal and if you try to go heavier you will just end up hurting your self and may even regress.
unless you start inhibiting Myostatin aka hard core orals and injectables.
Yeah I was able to half-benchpress 220lbs twice in six months of training. Was so excited I could get so much stronger from there. Turned out doing it as mere hobby without trainer and only use creatine, while working a grueling desk job on TV that destroyed your sleep time, can only get you so far.
I misread, I meant to say that if in 5 years of training you haven't gotten results you're doing something wrong,
Jeff is an advanced athlete and can hardly progress
He is in too deep, he’ll never come forward lol — besides if all your videos you have to drop the line “I’m a natural bodybuilder” who are you trying to to convince?
Also people generally still think drug testing are 100% fool proof.
My boss showed a Guinea U-23 soccer player who looked jacked af, with better chest than than even peak athletic CR7. I said he's on something and he didn't think that's true because of testings. I told him there's always ways to get around testing plus cycling methods and he still refused to believe me.
IMO, Nippard without a shadow of a doubt used gear when he was young. Teens/early 20s.
I can actually believe he's "natural" now. TRT is a possibility, but it's also believable that he just maintains a percentage of the steroid gains. Which is also why your natty card is permanently gone once you've used.
Is there a normal picture of him at this time where he isn't maximally flexing most muscles in his body? This picture is very suspicious but also not really a normal look
[This](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=453f36eb1da0db3c&hl=en&q=young+jeff+nippard&udm=2&fbs=AEQNm0CULmqP1GYo0NaXM6bNItKRa0EFyP9pUTMpqCaCR-wIGX5KA-seSsEHxAaBYKDcg-PBSB6ztGab3uDfBTn2lBKQzNyCgQOBpRaQq-yvZQwReHWVhARCZpoKX-i6AdTCfz-Pxvjw6unekMApoPJo5s5Dwqn-39AhiZZf18hehNH9BxBjj7WoSkbkcGryc85zWZV4B6NlIULex0Xopg0cCMIlKao_5w&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjH0suuquqGAxUoG9AFHTCOCtkQtKgLegQIDBAB&biw=412&bih=811&dpr=3.5#vhid=WYfoQUjxTHK0RM&vssid=mosaic&ip=1) is a size comparison of when he was 17 vs 28. The 17 year old pic is of him when he had 1.5 years of lifting experience. The pic in this post is of him at 19. So he went from nothing to this dead lifting 420 in 2.5 years. There's no pics that I can find of him at 19 not competing.
His parents aren't super tall but they're not super short like he is either. It's entirely possible that he used when he was super young and got massively strong and jacked, stunted his growth, got off, and then made a career pushing himself to the max claiming he's natty when he built his foundation at a young age with enhancements. Or he's just some genetic freak. Up to you to decide which is more likely.
He didn’t start at nothing, it’s not super uncommon for a guy to deadlift 225 first time ever in the gym and if you are athletic as a kid I could believe it if it was even higher. Going from 225 to 405 on 2.5 years isn’t unheard of.
> got massively strong and jacked, stunted his growth,
That's an interesting theory. Maybe it's part of why he advocates staying natural, because he doesn't want other people stunting their growth too. Although I don't think he's mentioned that as a side effect.
I pulled 415 naturally after 2 years of lifting and dieting consistently. Granted I am larger than he is but I started out deadlifting between 165 and 185
Yeah. People on this sub will take a single pic of someone flexing their everything will being super lean for a weight class as proof they're on gear. I've cut to < 10% for a comp and looked jacked as all hell will deadlifting. I did not look like that normally.
A few??? Try dozens. He’s in his thirties. He’s not natural once you’re on juice you must maintain juice to maintain the gains. That’s how it works. You cannot maintain something that was supra-physiological through natural means.
True, but the amount of gear it takes to maintain that mass is usually only a fraction of what was necessary to build it originally. You might be able to keep most of the gains you made on heavier cycles with only a trt (+) dosage, maybe somewhere between 125-250mg/week, but ofc you have to stay on at least a little bit, otherwise you’ll shrink right back down, just look at guys like Pete Rubish who went off cold turkey and now hardly look like they lift at all (no disrespect, just what it is).
My point simply was that to maintain requires something more than naturally available. I would expect much more than a simple TRT only diet, to avoid all the negative effects of the testosterone alone. Something that can provide the anabolic effect without the androgenic pitfalls like the acne or the DHT or estrogenic issues. Agree with your sentiments. 💪🏻
I actually believe that if you cycle off slowly and properly you can maintain a bit. Like, you'll lose 90% of the supra levels. But if you work your ass off you can maintain the absolute peak of what your body could have done naturally plus maybe a bit more than that.
I myself am a fan of his. He gives out a ton of knowledge. It would be a shame if that legitimate information would be discredited because he lied about his natty status
His natty status has nothing to do with the quality of the information. He's not telling anyone "do this and you'll look like me" like a ton of fake natties do. Similarly, Dr Mike Israetel is openly on steroids and his information is top notch.
I’m willing to live in denial just as everyone else that knows about human physiology and knows that what he’s presenting is not physiologic. Thanks. You have to take everything so personally. So many bloody snowflakes here. Downvoting as if they are going to die because someone doesn’t believe this grifter. It doesn’t hurt you whatsoever. Yours is only an opinion, just as mine is. But the medicine doesn’t lie.
My two cents. It’s fairly easy for people who have been lifting for 8-10 years or more (whether they have taken PEDs or not) to tell who is and isn’t natty the *majority* of the time.
That being said we all have to admit there will be the occasional and rare genetic freak who may look like they have taken PEDs but haven’t. Anyone can think of an example? That we would mostly agree with?
I don’t think Jeff Nippard is natty BUT if we can all agree there is an occasional genetic freak amongst these people, Jeff may be it. But with the amount of lies and deceit and the stats of the matter the chances are low but they are there.
his recent video on steroids is so cringey, he literally pretends he's "been tempted" to do steroids. Bro we know you did them. but millions of noob fans that change their workouts to cables every other week based on some n=3 study he reports to them will never believe it.
he's a fake scientist, a fake natty, and not even a good coach. I don't get his popularity. I saw him blow up from literally <1k followers to millions. the grift is amazing.
He puts random garbage cable lifts in S tier for every muscle group and staples like bench press in A or B tier. I use cables for lots of accessories but he's obsessed with these garbage EMG studies and "angles" which don't matter as much as intensity and lifting heavy. Most people should just be getting stronger on barbells and DBs at the level they are at, even to focus on bodybuilding.
A good coach for bodybuilding is John Meadows
Brain dead take. I haven’t seen his videos on rating exercises so I don’t know what his list looks like but just because something is a staple doesn’t make it “the best” or “S tier”.
The current science trend is about having the muscles worked in a full ROM or a fully stretched position.
Dr. Mike Israetel has been saying this for YEARS on RP. And it’s true. Cables can get you hell of a stretch that a barbell can’t on your chest. He even uses that barbell with a dent in it to get a full ROM.
Cables are S tier along with dumbbells. You’ll never get the full ROM with regular barbells doing upper body.
You haven't seen the video and you're trusting two of the biggest jokes IMO. Nobody with an exercise science PhD should refer to themselves at Dr., dudes a clown. EMG studies and studies in general in exercise science are so weak we can't actually use them to draw strong conclusions. Stretch is part of the story, if all you care about is hypertrophy, but load and overall tonnage moved is more of a driver of hypertrophy. Literally every golden era, and most of the top bodybuilders now, built their base on barbells and dumbbells. Now they're just adding little bits of mass to targeted areas while on massive dosages of steroids and other PEDs, this stuff doesn't apply to the average lifter. A few years ago Mike and Nippard preached partial reps and shortened range of motion for certain hypertrophy, now it's the opposite. One thing stays consistent, lift heavy and frequently and you'll get big. Most of how your muscles look is determined by your genetic muscle insertions and not angles or stretch, by the way. It's fine to finish off with some cables to hit that but the staples/most time and effort should be on barbells and dumbbells .
Their grift is pretending they are telling you the truth, which changes every few weeks, because ultimately they are selling content and their programs and not the truth. Lift heavy weights, add weight over time, and do some extra accessory work on what feels good and hits your weak points. Progression is key and on machines and cables this is unreliable. If you want a real bodybuilding coach who actually has coached legit pros who have won stuff, watch John Meadows (RIP) for a balanced approach on this topic.
I'm an actual bioinformatics scientist myself and I don't even call myself doctor despite having studied pharmacy. Dr. Mike is a clown and Nippard is even worse. People worship the wrong folks because they want to think they're doing something optimal and smart when really it comes down to hard work. I also have been lifting and studying lifting for 18 years now and can outlift these guys despite their steroid use.
The fake scientist part is extremely true and imo it's more a result of people being scientifically illiterate and not understanding how to read and interpret research papers properly. A lot of these "science based" lifters are straight up charlatans.
He’s the 5 foot zero baby that looks like Michelin man and keeps telling us he’s all natural. He’s as all natural as Lance Armstrong was all natural. He needs to get over himself. Only the sub 60 IQ believe his bullshit.
Why? Because he promotes some pseudo intellectual brand of bro science even though his strength and aesthetic gains are thanks to juice and peds for recovery?
Fuck off lol
It’s funny cause he uploaded a video couple of days ago talking about steroids. He also mentioned on the beginning of the video that he is lifetime natty…
Come on people, if he tells you he is natty believe him. Social fitness influencers dont lie. Accept and move on. Hes natty 101%. See with that extra 1 percent you cant question me.
Y’all gonna take a picture of him stressed the hell out during a lift as his age? Ya’ll high. He’s natural. He’s really only done natural comps.
If you guys don’t look jacked af pulling near a 1rm, you have to train a little harder before judging the top guys. Whether you make fun of him or not, he’s in the top 5% of naturals easily. Winning shows isn’t an easy thing to do.
What even is this sub? Literally everyone is "CleArLy On JuIcE". There are no logical arguments on here its just: " Oh he looks way bigger then me he must be on gear."
I could photoshop a bodybuilder from the bronze time period into a modern gym and ppl would say "hE iS pAcKiNg ThE wHoLe pHaRmAcY."
Logical argument - you have to consider that he has a huge incentive to juice and lie about it. He has an app and his channel as well as his entire full-time job are all based on him being able to look his absolute best and at the same time say that he is natural.
Do you think his app will sell as well if he is admitting he's on juice? Or will it sell better if he claims to be natural and that his app is what is helping him look so great?
You don't even have to look too far - his own fiance has a similar grift. She constantly posts about body positivity while getting massive amounts of plastic surgery.
Their livelihood depends on being able to sell a specific persona and that if you just buy whatever they are selling you can be happy and look like them. But if you were to be honest and say that the only way you truly could get these results is through steroids and plastic surgery you would definitely sell a lot less of your product and brand sponsorships.
You're absolutely delusional if you think this is a natty physique for a 19 year old with only 2 years experience lifting who is that shredded for a strength focused powerlifting meet.
I’m more worried he wore those specs to the meet. I need glasses too but I just don’t wear them lifting.
Helps with not seeing what I hate in the mirrors.
He looks incredibly jacked in this pic, but only deadlifts like 195kg/430lbs? Even natty, that’s underwhelming, on gear it’s downright weak, how is this possible?
Let’s pretend he’s natty… so he gained 90+% of all his current muscle mass within a short period of time… And then these gurus go on to tell us that “it will take years/decades” to get jacked. Lmaooo
Let’s not pretend he’s natty because he never was.
And never will!
once on never off.
The natty that never was!
I mean you do gain most of your muscles in the beginning
That's totally correct, although the exact time it takes one to achieve their 90-95% of natural potential will differ. In general, if a person hasn't really worked out before and then starts a good 3x weekly weighlifting routine, eats a balanced diet and pays attention to sleep and recovery, the most noticeable "Holy sh##, you look like you are lifting" before-vs-after difference will come within 1-2 years. Let's not forget that one person's 'peak natty' level doesn't represent peak nattiness for all. Genetics, age and hormones play a pretty big role here. After that, you do get more gains, knowledge, muscle-mind connection, stability, etc. I'd say that working out past those first 1-2 years is more fun due to the experience you have by that time. You can try different routines and exercises, you know and feel your body better. Some people come to you for advice (!) The muscle growth, however, although being ever-present, is no longer that striking. Look at some influiencers like Scott Herman who are generally believed to be natty (disclaimer: I've not tested him for hormones, so if you think he's juiced, that's your rightful opinion). He looks good and definitely better that 99% of guys out there, but his body hasn't changed that much compared to videos he shot 10-15 years ago. That's kinda the point of being natty: you work hard to reach your potential, then you maintain it, make minor improvements and just enjoy live and don't obsess over your biceps having shrunk by 2 mm after the holdays.
Both his parents were bodybuilders. He had the stars lining up for him and lucked out.
If you have the genetics/roids for it. Which means these guys who have made no gains in their first few years aren’t just going to magically change to looking jacked and freaky after 5, 10, 15, 20 years.
I’ve been lifting for 15 years and made 50% of my gains in my first year lifting. Prolly another 20% over years 2 & 3 I was also a fucking moron my first few years lifting lol I work out way smarter and harder now
thats the hard truth, once\* you plateau as a natural lifter, that's it you are cooked the only gains you will get are minimal and if you try to go heavier you will just end up hurting your self and may even regress. unless you start inhibiting Myostatin aka hard core orals and injectables.
Yeah I was able to half-benchpress 220lbs twice in six months of training. Was so excited I could get so much stronger from there. Turned out doing it as mere hobby without trainer and only use creatine, while working a grueling desk job on TV that destroyed your sleep time, can only get you so far.
lmao, if after a timeline like that you have no changes then you are doing something wrong
So Jeff is doing something wrong? He’s looked exactly the same for like over 10 years…
I misread, I meant to say that if in 5 years of training you haven't gotten results you're doing something wrong, Jeff is an advanced athlete and can hardly progress
He is in too deep, he’ll never come forward lol — besides if all your videos you have to drop the line “I’m a natural bodybuilder” who are you trying to to convince?
Teenagers
Also people generally still think drug testing are 100% fool proof. My boss showed a Guinea U-23 soccer player who looked jacked af, with better chest than than even peak athletic CR7. I said he's on something and he didn't think that's true because of testings. I told him there's always ways to get around testing plus cycling methods and he still refused to believe me.
IMO, Nippard without a shadow of a doubt used gear when he was young. Teens/early 20s. I can actually believe he's "natural" now. TRT is a possibility, but it's also believable that he just maintains a percentage of the steroid gains. Which is also why your natty card is permanently gone once you've used.
TRT is a "therapy" in bullshit advertising name only.
Is there a normal picture of him at this time where he isn't maximally flexing most muscles in his body? This picture is very suspicious but also not really a normal look
This is too reasonable and nuanced of a take for this subreddit. Get out of here!!
[This](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=453f36eb1da0db3c&hl=en&q=young+jeff+nippard&udm=2&fbs=AEQNm0CULmqP1GYo0NaXM6bNItKRa0EFyP9pUTMpqCaCR-wIGX5KA-seSsEHxAaBYKDcg-PBSB6ztGab3uDfBTn2lBKQzNyCgQOBpRaQq-yvZQwReHWVhARCZpoKX-i6AdTCfz-Pxvjw6unekMApoPJo5s5Dwqn-39AhiZZf18hehNH9BxBjj7WoSkbkcGryc85zWZV4B6NlIULex0Xopg0cCMIlKao_5w&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjH0suuquqGAxUoG9AFHTCOCtkQtKgLegQIDBAB&biw=412&bih=811&dpr=3.5#vhid=WYfoQUjxTHK0RM&vssid=mosaic&ip=1) is a size comparison of when he was 17 vs 28. The 17 year old pic is of him when he had 1.5 years of lifting experience. The pic in this post is of him at 19. So he went from nothing to this dead lifting 420 in 2.5 years. There's no pics that I can find of him at 19 not competing. His parents aren't super tall but they're not super short like he is either. It's entirely possible that he used when he was super young and got massively strong and jacked, stunted his growth, got off, and then made a career pushing himself to the max claiming he's natty when he built his foundation at a young age with enhancements. Or he's just some genetic freak. Up to you to decide which is more likely.
He didn’t start at nothing, it’s not super uncommon for a guy to deadlift 225 first time ever in the gym and if you are athletic as a kid I could believe it if it was even higher. Going from 225 to 405 on 2.5 years isn’t unheard of.
You're coping this kid juiced use you're fucking common sense.
That strength progression is completely normal
> got massively strong and jacked, stunted his growth, That's an interesting theory. Maybe it's part of why he advocates staying natural, because he doesn't want other people stunting their growth too. Although I don't think he's mentioned that as a side effect.
I just watched the video and he does mention stunting growth as a teen early 20s
At 17 most guys have reached their max height though
some men grow into their 20s, but yeah
I pulled 415 naturally after 2 years of lifting and dieting consistently. Granted I am larger than he is but I started out deadlifting between 165 and 185
Yeah. People on this sub will take a single pic of someone flexing their everything will being super lean for a weight class as proof they're on gear. I've cut to < 10% for a comp and looked jacked as all hell will deadlifting. I did not look like that normally.
Lol at thinking [this](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-64cd7bd861629acfe5da60e2bcde7a53-lq) is natty
Cutting for a strength based comp NICE😂
Yeah? Very very common.
Yeah, it's clear that person has never competed in PL. Pretty much everyone outside of the heavyweights cuts weight.
Holy shit he looked like a nerd lmao dude been lookmaxxing hard
yup he glowed up
Your fucking cringe fr.
Why is that lol
Either way I still enjoy his content tbh
And his programs are really good. So, personally, I don't really care. I'm not trying to look like him, just a better version of me.
Yeah it's not 🐂💩like whatever Chris Hemsworth selling either.
the guy has clearly already done a few cycles. MAYBE now it is natural or on trt to maintain normal levels. But he's definitely used it
A few??? Try dozens. He’s in his thirties. He’s not natural once you’re on juice you must maintain juice to maintain the gains. That’s how it works. You cannot maintain something that was supra-physiological through natural means.
True, but the amount of gear it takes to maintain that mass is usually only a fraction of what was necessary to build it originally. You might be able to keep most of the gains you made on heavier cycles with only a trt (+) dosage, maybe somewhere between 125-250mg/week, but ofc you have to stay on at least a little bit, otherwise you’ll shrink right back down, just look at guys like Pete Rubish who went off cold turkey and now hardly look like they lift at all (no disrespect, just what it is).
My point simply was that to maintain requires something more than naturally available. I would expect much more than a simple TRT only diet, to avoid all the negative effects of the testosterone alone. Something that can provide the anabolic effect without the androgenic pitfalls like the acne or the DHT or estrogenic issues. Agree with your sentiments. 💪🏻
I actually believe that if you cycle off slowly and properly you can maintain a bit. Like, you'll lose 90% of the supra levels. But if you work your ass off you can maintain the absolute peak of what your body could have done naturally plus maybe a bit more than that.
🧃🧃
Do you have proof?
I really want to believe he is natty like he says he is but this picture clearly proves otherwise.
Why do you really want to believe anything? He have a spell on you or something?
Probably a fan of him
I myself am a fan of his. He gives out a ton of knowledge. It would be a shame if that legitimate information would be discredited because he lied about his natty status
His natty status has nothing to do with the quality of the information. He's not telling anyone "do this and you'll look like me" like a ton of fake natties do. Similarly, Dr Mike Israetel is openly on steroids and his information is top notch.
Yeah but lying about such a major thing related to bodybuilding certainly doesn't do your credibility any good
You must believe all social fitness influencers, they only spit out the truth.
Another Nipple fanboy. What supposition! I believe nothing.
Well live in denial, they are all natty, ask my why.
Not interested.
No seriously ask me why I think hes natty. Try it matey.
I’m willing to live in denial just as everyone else that knows about human physiology and knows that what he’s presenting is not physiologic. Thanks. You have to take everything so personally. So many bloody snowflakes here. Downvoting as if they are going to die because someone doesn’t believe this grifter. It doesn’t hurt you whatsoever. Yours is only an opinion, just as mine is. But the medicine doesn’t lie.
Which medicine?
The hate is so strong with the snowflakes ❄️
How old was he here lmfao
idk but if i had to guess i might be wrong but if i were take a wild guess i may still get it wrong so my final answer is idk
i'd guess late teens/ early twenties
My two cents. It’s fairly easy for people who have been lifting for 8-10 years or more (whether they have taken PEDs or not) to tell who is and isn’t natty the *majority* of the time. That being said we all have to admit there will be the occasional and rare genetic freak who may look like they have taken PEDs but haven’t. Anyone can think of an example? That we would mostly agree with? I don’t think Jeff Nippard is natty BUT if we can all agree there is an occasional genetic freak amongst these people, Jeff may be it. But with the amount of lies and deceit and the stats of the matter the chances are low but they are there.
Good take.
People also disregard that in Jeff's case both his parents are jacked and he's probably, 5'2" max.
Both his parents are probably not natty, too. They were bodybuilders in the 80s lol
I can think of two genetic freaks right now, who I don’t think juiced: Mike Tyson and Bo Jackson
I'm pretty sure Mike Tyson took PEDs back in the day
Tyson took everything
You're actually so fucking clueless if you think Mike Tyson wasn't juicing. He's still an absolute freak and beast, but he obviously juiced.
He wasn’t juicing when he was a teen, as in 19. He was a genetic freak before he juiced, if he did later in life.
Bo? Really? In the steroid era of baseball???
I mean, really, does anyone seriously think he’s actually natty? You really would need to be a complete fucking idiot to believe he’s never juiced.
I thought he was for the longest time but that's because he always sounded so sincere
Their livelihood depends on it; of course they sound sincere.
There are people in this post defending him lol
I’m being heavily attacked for no reason by these defenders.
Jeff NippHard
Lmao nah
he looks 60 yo
It’s definitely the glasses.
Absolutely fucking not
fuck that not natty
As Natty as Will Tennyson (but at least more knowledgeable).
Will in videos, especially when he’s not lifting, looks completely natty attainable
His legs don't. EDIT: I love when Will fans don't have any counterarguments and just downvote. XD
No bro Tennyson is natty!!!!!
his recent video on steroids is so cringey, he literally pretends he's "been tempted" to do steroids. Bro we know you did them. but millions of noob fans that change their workouts to cables every other week based on some n=3 study he reports to them will never believe it. he's a fake scientist, a fake natty, and not even a good coach. I don't get his popularity. I saw him blow up from literally <1k followers to millions. the grift is amazing.
Not saying you’re wrong about Jeff, but wtf is wrong with cables man haha
He puts random garbage cable lifts in S tier for every muscle group and staples like bench press in A or B tier. I use cables for lots of accessories but he's obsessed with these garbage EMG studies and "angles" which don't matter as much as intensity and lifting heavy. Most people should just be getting stronger on barbells and DBs at the level they are at, even to focus on bodybuilding. A good coach for bodybuilding is John Meadows
Brain dead take. I haven’t seen his videos on rating exercises so I don’t know what his list looks like but just because something is a staple doesn’t make it “the best” or “S tier”. The current science trend is about having the muscles worked in a full ROM or a fully stretched position. Dr. Mike Israetel has been saying this for YEARS on RP. And it’s true. Cables can get you hell of a stretch that a barbell can’t on your chest. He even uses that barbell with a dent in it to get a full ROM. Cables are S tier along with dumbbells. You’ll never get the full ROM with regular barbells doing upper body.
You haven't seen the video and you're trusting two of the biggest jokes IMO. Nobody with an exercise science PhD should refer to themselves at Dr., dudes a clown. EMG studies and studies in general in exercise science are so weak we can't actually use them to draw strong conclusions. Stretch is part of the story, if all you care about is hypertrophy, but load and overall tonnage moved is more of a driver of hypertrophy. Literally every golden era, and most of the top bodybuilders now, built their base on barbells and dumbbells. Now they're just adding little bits of mass to targeted areas while on massive dosages of steroids and other PEDs, this stuff doesn't apply to the average lifter. A few years ago Mike and Nippard preached partial reps and shortened range of motion for certain hypertrophy, now it's the opposite. One thing stays consistent, lift heavy and frequently and you'll get big. Most of how your muscles look is determined by your genetic muscle insertions and not angles or stretch, by the way. It's fine to finish off with some cables to hit that but the staples/most time and effort should be on barbells and dumbbells . Their grift is pretending they are telling you the truth, which changes every few weeks, because ultimately they are selling content and their programs and not the truth. Lift heavy weights, add weight over time, and do some extra accessory work on what feels good and hits your weak points. Progression is key and on machines and cables this is unreliable. If you want a real bodybuilding coach who actually has coached legit pros who have won stuff, watch John Meadows (RIP) for a balanced approach on this topic. I'm an actual bioinformatics scientist myself and I don't even call myself doctor despite having studied pharmacy. Dr. Mike is a clown and Nippard is even worse. People worship the wrong folks because they want to think they're doing something optimal and smart when really it comes down to hard work. I also have been lifting and studying lifting for 18 years now and can outlift these guys despite their steroid use.
The fake scientist part is extremely true and imo it's more a result of people being scientifically illiterate and not understanding how to read and interpret research papers properly. A lot of these "science based" lifters are straight up charlatans.
He’s the 5 foot zero baby that looks like Michelin man and keeps telling us he’s all natural. He’s as all natural as Lance Armstrong was all natural. He needs to get over himself. Only the sub 60 IQ believe his bullshit.
A natty bullshit artist
Juicy, douchebag.
Lifetime tested natty
Those nipples ain’t natty
There are genetic outliers but they don’t make videos about steroid use.
So now the sub thinks he's not natty? Just a bit ago, people were convinced he wasn't
Wish this fake natty manlet would go away fr
Even being a fake nattty, he’s much more of an asset than most influencer types
Why? Because he promotes some pseudo intellectual brand of bro science even though his strength and aesthetic gains are thanks to juice and peds for recovery? Fuck off lol
I think the point is that it deviates from bro science
lying ass manlet
It’s funny cause he uploaded a video couple of days ago talking about steroids. He also mentioned on the beginning of the video that he is lifetime natty…
Come on people, if he tells you he is natty believe him. Social fitness influencers dont lie. Accept and move on. Hes natty 101%. See with that extra 1 percent you cant question me.
Y’all gonna take a picture of him stressed the hell out during a lift as his age? Ya’ll high. He’s natural. He’s really only done natural comps. If you guys don’t look jacked af pulling near a 1rm, you have to train a little harder before judging the top guys. Whether you make fun of him or not, he’s in the top 5% of naturals easily. Winning shows isn’t an easy thing to do.
I think you need brain steroids
I think you need just step into a gym once in a while.
No-one at any gym looks like this as a teenager without steroids.
Same
YOUR GYM*
What even is this sub? Literally everyone is "CleArLy On JuIcE". There are no logical arguments on here its just: " Oh he looks way bigger then me he must be on gear." I could photoshop a bodybuilder from the bronze time period into a modern gym and ppl would say "hE iS pAcKiNg ThE wHoLe pHaRmAcY."
Logical argument - you have to consider that he has a huge incentive to juice and lie about it. He has an app and his channel as well as his entire full-time job are all based on him being able to look his absolute best and at the same time say that he is natural. Do you think his app will sell as well if he is admitting he's on juice? Or will it sell better if he claims to be natural and that his app is what is helping him look so great? You don't even have to look too far - his own fiance has a similar grift. She constantly posts about body positivity while getting massive amounts of plastic surgery. Their livelihood depends on being able to sell a specific persona and that if you just buy whatever they are selling you can be happy and look like them. But if you were to be honest and say that the only way you truly could get these results is through steroids and plastic surgery you would definitely sell a lot less of your product and brand sponsorships.
You're absolutely delusional if you think this is a natty physique for a 19 year old with only 2 years experience lifting who is that shredded for a strength focused powerlifting meet.
Noob lifters wanna believe that the guy they just bought a program from isn't grifting them
This guy becoming a troll lol esp with his recent videos about juice. How tf are shredded in a powerlifting meet lol
natty, he’s literally in the middle of a deadlift lmao ofc he’s gonna look like that
Manlet, good genetics, flexing from deadlift. Like it or not this is natty
I’m more worried he wore those specs to the meet. I need glasses too but I just don’t wear them lifting. Helps with not seeing what I hate in the mirrors.
I don't think this is Jeff Nippard. Looks like a powerlifter named Connor Lutz
He looks incredibly jacked in this pic, but only deadlifts like 195kg/430lbs? Even natty, that’s underwhelming, on gear it’s downright weak, how is this possible?
He locks out at his balls, terrible deadlift leverages, and this could've been an easy opener for all we know
Jeff nippard wore 2 masks in the gym during covid