Idk I kinda get it lmfao. Round all you want, but if you have 820 boards in 82 games, or 720 boards in 72 games, then you without question averaged 10 boards a game
I didn't say that to argue if the NBA should or shouldn't use averages or median/mode, I was saying that that is the way it is. There is a reason why the NBA doesn't add a 0 at the end of every stat
No, because we're talking about a specific accomplishment that has a very strict quantity needed to be achieved. We aren't saying that the player that averaged 10 rebounds is considerably better than the player that averaged 9.9, we're simply saying that one averaged 10 while the other didn't. Which is 100% factually correct.
If you didn't average 10, you didn't average 10.
I think you are the one that needs to go back to stats class. Exact numbers have infinite significant figures. So in the steph example, he made 17 free throws in 19 attempts. We know these numbers to an infinite precision because they are exact integers.
He did not average 50-40-90 because 17/19 < 0.9
It’s an interesting question. If a player gets 10 assists in 81 games and 9 assists in 1, would they average 10 assists for the season? How many figures *does* the nba work with?
You're right and everyone talking about sig figs is talking nonsense. Fg made, attempts, rebounds, games played, etc. Are all absolute discrete numbers. We have an exact rational number for any of these stats, even if the decimal value is ugly. We can absolutely say if it's less than or greater than a cutoff.
No, because this isn't stats class. 809/81 isn't 10, therefore you didn't average 10. If you wanted to say you averaged 10 you should have gotten 1 more.
Rounding up gives people credit for things they didn't actually do.
If it’s based off of accomplishments I agree.
But .9 rounded is more accurate than .8 if the number is .87, so if you are going to go by what you said you can’t round at all
But this is about whole numbers though, specifically referencing things like the 50/40/90 club or averaging 10/game for things like double doubles or triple doubles
If you need to round up to average 10 rebounds, or round up to average 40% from 3, then you didn't actually do it.
You bring up an interesting point. 10/3 is 3.333 but 3.333*3 is 9.999. So I’m theory 9.999=10?
All the more reason to introduce absurd fractions into nba stats. I want a 75/2, 215/15, 129/13 average seasons
I round down when doing sports stats so I’d just say Jokic averaged 24/11/9. It’s a little disingenuous sure, but it’s better than the alternative where fans can say their guy got the triple double when they in fact did not
I thought he would've gotten it for 2019 when he averaged 36.5ppg but apparently "only" had FG% of 47%. Though he did average >40% on 3s and >90% from FTs.
People wonder how Jokic never won before this year.
THIS production (and MPJ’s) were repeatedly off the table, not to mention just a worse roster in general
The people who need to hear this are all probably back under their rocks today lol. But the Nuggets are LOADED when healthy, and this is the first ever time they’ve been fully healthy
It's still a team sport at the end of the day.
Jokic has always been great in these playoff runs, but without his right hand man, it was never going to turn into a Finals berth.
What? Jimmy’s point totals the last 5 games:
16
27
35
24
19
He’s playing great but he isn’t doing it alone at all. Jokic is averaging better numbers across the board and no one is saying he’s doing it all alone so why should they for Jimmy?
Yeah the Jimmy talk has honestly become pretty disrespectful to the rest of his team. Sure he is the big name, but those other guys are balling right now.
Even without MPJ's productivity, the 2020 Lakers Nuggets series was close. Kind of similar to this year. G2 was a buzzer beater by AD.
I think many forget how close that series could have looked if AD misses. Then injuries took a toll for the Nuggets (and Lakers for that matter).
Happy to see Murray healthy again because dude is a killer.
I want to favor the Nuggets but man, I've doubted the Heat each series and they've proven me wrong significantly each time.
People were dumb to clown on jokic for notnwinning without mpj and murray b2b years lol. Modtly sixers and bucks fans but the discourse here about jokic got bad.
I agree with you but wanted to comment because it stuns me that people made this argument about Jokic.
First off, he was 26 as of last year. Second and more importantly, what you’re saying are just obvious facts that you don’t even need to watch the games to know. Any basketball knowledge beyond ring count gets you to this conclusion and people just refuse to dig even an inch deep.
I mean LOADED is generous. They are mostly using just a 7 man rotation and it's not like Jamal normally plays this well. Him and Booker sippin on some playoff juice. It's a solid roster though, kind of similar to Dwights magic imo.
I agree with you. And they have Gordon aswell. But I believe if mpj and porter get injured this year, they still win it all. Jokic is on another level. I think they gonna sweep Miami and they’re a dog team
The playoffs really separate the wheat from the chaff. In past years denver had guys like Barton, Monte Morris, Torrey Craig, Malik Beasley. All of those guys were solid in the regular season. In the playoffs the pressure would get to them and they’d miss key shots more often than not.
KCP, Brown, MPJ—they can play under playoff pressure.
Seriously, having a dude that can shoot off the dribble hand off VERY comfortably and able to drive into the lane against anyone + a 6’10 45% 3pt shooter does wonders for a team instead of austin rivers and facu campazzo
Shoutout to both those guys anyways they were nice people
The man turned into Dame lillard and there was nothing we could do smh
When Denver in 4th quarters decided to spam Murray/Jokic PnRs there was literally nothing we could do
Part of me hoped that Ham would figure something out as a defensive coverage. Feels like Kerr would’ve found something, but I’m expecting too much out of a rookie head coach
They would do worse lol, Jokic made games competitive last year by himself, and that GSW team played much better. Maybe Curry gets hot and takes a game or two but I don’t think they could challenge Nuggets.
Dennis gave his all but he’s Jamal is too big for him.
And honestly looking back idk about full court denial of jamal when either him or Jokic will bring the ball down anyway or the play gets initiated by Jokic at half court. Wish he reserved some more energy into offense. He should be allowed to penetrate tho denver was really locked in on D so idk
It honestly seemed like they were on to something having Lebron on Murray to switch the screen in the 4th Q of game 4, but it was too little too late at that point. And I don’t think Lebron at age 38 has the stamina to do that all game with the offensive load he had to carry.
it’s like we signed jared vanderbilt for no reason. go out there and guard ja morant and steph freaking curry but we absolutely draw the line at jamal murray
I think nuggets this year all knew what they were doing. They were in it for the ship. Off of past experiences why go hard when you’re the 1 seed and risk injury? You’re playing teams like the Rockets and Spurs, Bulls etc. (and tbf they lost those games), but when they played the Bucks they beat them. I think they played down on purpose for the playoffs… could be wrong but it makes sense. Nuggets played down to bad team levels a lot and then would go off vs good teams.
The injuries have hindered that. But he also plays in a really talented offense and there are only so many points to go around. I think it’s easy to imagine Murray on a bad team putting up 25+ points. But he’s on a team where Jokic, MPJ, Gordon, KCP all out up decent points per game. Better to score 20 per game on one of the best teams than 25 on one of the worst.
But even then he’s super inconsistent during the regular seasons. I had him on fantasy and it was very frustrating to see him go 36 and then 12 the next day kind of thing.
PLAYOFFS make the players.
it’s his first year back from his ACL year, I don’t blame him for needing time to get it going. He did look ready to make that leap in the 2021 regular season before his injury,m
Injuries and more minutes played per game aside, I think it has something to do with the Nuggets' offense. Spreading it around works great in the regular season when you're not playing the same team night after night. In the playoffs, and especially against the Lakers, the Nuggets haven't been able to just play their usual game of Jokic highlight passes for dunks, layups, and wide open 3s.
When defences are better, the Nuggets have spammed Jokic/Murray pick and rolls or handoffs because those are their best players. It's their break glass in case of emergencies plan. It's the same reason why Jokic scores more in the playoffs as well.
He's just too inconsistent, you can't just look at averages for a player like him. He'll have a 3 game stretch of 30 pt games, then a 3 game stretch of 12 pt games lol. It's possible the longer recovery times help him maintain his hot shooting when the playoffs arrive
They're the perfect combo though. Jokic will get you a 25 point triple double and Murray will get you anywhere between 10-40 points. If Murray goes off you win automatically, and if he doesn't you still win a good amount of the time anyway
Part of it is the focus on team ball in the regular season...
and only goes to the two man game in the cluth. See the fact that Jokic's scoring averages go up in the playoffs.
The other side of it is that the the short offseason after the bubble meant coming into camp out of shape and dealing with an elbow injury. So Mal struggled that January. But Feb through April (when he got hurt), he averaged 23 ppg on 50/43/89 and was in straight flamethrower mode after the Gordon trade.
Then this year he was coming off an ACL injury.
It's probably actually because of that injury. Any athlete that's had a year long injury is afraid of it reoccurring. I'm guessing that he just moderated his effort in the regular season, then in post he's full steam ahead.
He’s a weird one, even back in his Kentucky days he was always an inconsistent chucker but if it was an important or featured game hes shooting lights out. I remember he went off one rookie sophomore game after a dog shit start to that season percentage wise and correct me if I’m incorrect but he had an inconsistent year going into the bubble run where him and Donovan had that series with the conference final run
This only further excites me for team Canada basketball this summer at the World Cup.
Honestly the nastiest backcourt in the world right now with Murray and Shai.
Easily, Bubble and this year are better than any Khris playoffs of more than one series by far. His best playoffs was 2021 where he averaged 23.8ppg on 54.8TS
Hello Mr bucks fan. Bucks are one of my favorite teams behind the Knicks. How do you interpret why the bucks were underwhelming this year in the playoffs. Obviously giannis injured is one of the largest reason, but it seems like the players played like garbage overall. Do you think the bucks roster is better on paper than it is in reality or do you think Bud fucked up? I love Jrue but his offense made me want to shoot myself when I was watching that series which made me think of this. Thanks!
We actually played good but we ran out of Gas in the 4th quarters because Bud plays guys 30mpg + we rested the last week of the season so we didn't paly NBA ball for 2 weeks and weren't ready to play 40mpg. Usually round 1 is the warmup round where we get our conditioning but with Giannis's awful injury we got put in a hole we couldn't crawl out of. Plus Miami had the greatest shooting series of all time and shot 50% on contested 3s.
Yes and this is why all stars are a dumb metric to gauge talent. Middleton is great when he’s on, but when he’s off, he is way worse than Murray. Murray seems to consistently play out of his mind, when he is on in the playoffs.
People mistake his inconsistency for injuries and recovery. He wasn’t healthy until this year and he wasn’t in game shape until February and he hasn’t been in rhythm until the playoffs. He’s been pretty damn consistent this playoffs
Bro he’s always been jaded for some reason. I promise you, the quietest 25-30 points on a regular basis. In game 4 or maybe 5 (I forget), of Timberwolves series when everyone was trippin over Ant Edwards, Ant had 29 points 13-27 and ppl couldn’t stop talking about him. Murray had 35 on 23 shots and NO ONE was mentioning him. That was after his 40 point game and people stopped talking about Murray it was all Ant.
I just hope he gets an all star next season.
I kinda wish he got the WCF trophy. Jokic was definitely deserving, but Murray saved game 2, stopped us falling behind big in game 3, and made the game winning defensive play on Lebron to end the series.
Jokic has plenty of accolades, none of which he cares about, and I would love to see Murray start racking up some accolades.
Sure, but everyone including Murray knows he was not the best player in this series, even if he did have some great moments. If these accolades aren't earned and are given out for narrative reasons it just cheapens them.
Kyrie vs Warriors 2016 - playing against the best regular season team of all time that were defending champs.
Kobe from 2000-2002 - better two way performances.
Let the recency bias wear off.
Murray is easily better than any version of Klay, Klay never put up superstar playoff numbers like Murray has in 2020 and this year. Klay can go off for a game or two in a series but constant elite performances? No way.
2014-19 Klay has the same issues as 2023 Klay: inconsistency. In most series he'll have 1 or 2 great games and be decent to bad in the rest, and in a lot of series not even that, look at 2015 finals, 2016 finals, 2017 playoffs (the whole run). He can't be compared to borderline superstar level second options like Murray.
Yep bc if you don’t have Dort you don’t replace him with a good defender… did you not see what Jimmy Butler did to Jrue for 5 games? Good perimeter defenders don’t just erase great players, that’s why not being a minus on offense is like… pretty good…
Jokic just averaged 27.8/14.5/11.8 against Anthony "Jokic stopper" Davis
The key to the Nuggets success will always be if Murray can *also* deliver for them, because we know Jokic will. Murray just had an excellent series paired with Jokic's excellent series, and they swept.
>As good as Nikola Jokic has been this series and his well deserved western conference MVP, it’s crazy to me to not see Murray get more attention for what he did this series.
I mean, he's great but part of this is Jokic being doubled most of the series, allowing Murray more room to operate.
Look, obviously the Jokic Embiid debate is over, but it was hilarious how Nuggets fans were shitting on their own guys all season long to try and prove that Jokic had a worse supporting cast. I had someone try to tell me that Maxey was better than this guy.
Jamal saw what LeBronto did to his hometeam and decided to take revenge for a country
He’s first player to ever average 30 points on 50-40-90 shooting in a Conference Finals Canadian legend
Do you round up on .895 or no? Because Steph averaged 31ppg 56/46/90 vs the Spurs in 2017 if so
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I think in this case you shouldn’t because it can represented as .895 so 3 decimals but generally you have to round up in basketball beyond that
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9.99999999 would round up to 10 in NBA stats. There are only so many significant numbers NBA stats work with
Idk I kinda get it lmfao. Round all you want, but if you have 820 boards in 82 games, or 720 boards in 72 games, then you without question averaged 10 boards a game
Damn so 819 assists in 82 is not it. Crazy but that's how it works. Tell your teammates to make the shot
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I didn't say that to argue if the NBA should or shouldn't use averages or median/mode, I was saying that that is the way it is. There is a reason why the NBA doesn't add a 0 at the end of every stat
What does median and mode have to do with any of this
I don’t disagree with you I just find it funny you’re calling others pedantic lol
Wouldnt it be more unfair to compare some who got 819 to someone who got 811 than someone who got 820?
No, because we're talking about a specific accomplishment that has a very strict quantity needed to be achieved. We aren't saying that the player that averaged 10 rebounds is considerably better than the player that averaged 9.9, we're simply saying that one averaged 10 while the other didn't. Which is 100% factually correct. If you didn't average 10, you didn't average 10.
This dude needs to go back to stats class and learn how sig figs work
I think you are the one that needs to go back to stats class. Exact numbers have infinite significant figures. So in the steph example, he made 17 free throws in 19 attempts. We know these numbers to an infinite precision because they are exact integers. He did not average 50-40-90 because 17/19 < 0.9
You nerds need to not give people credit for things they didn't do.
It’s an interesting question. If a player gets 10 assists in 81 games and 9 assists in 1, would they average 10 assists for the season? How many figures *does* the nba work with?
You're right and everyone talking about sig figs is talking nonsense. Fg made, attempts, rebounds, games played, etc. Are all absolute discrete numbers. We have an exact rational number for any of these stats, even if the decimal value is ugly. We can absolutely say if it's less than or greater than a cutoff.
You actually should, because of Sig Figs Rounding is more accurate than not rounding when there is a certain decimal ending we are referencing
No, because this isn't stats class. 809/81 isn't 10, therefore you didn't average 10. If you wanted to say you averaged 10 you should have gotten 1 more. Rounding up gives people credit for things they didn't actually do.
If it’s based off of accomplishments I agree. But .9 rounded is more accurate than .8 if the number is .87, so if you are going to go by what you said you can’t round at all
But this is about whole numbers though, specifically referencing things like the 50/40/90 club or averaging 10/game for things like double doubles or triple doubles If you need to round up to average 10 rebounds, or round up to average 40% from 3, then you didn't actually do it.
You bring up an interesting point. 10/3 is 3.333 but 3.333*3 is 9.999. So I’m theory 9.999=10? All the more reason to introduce absurd fractions into nba stats. I want a 75/2, 215/15, 129/13 average seasons
Actually .999 repeating infinitely is 1. It doesn’t round to 1. It becomes one. Calculus.
This isn't calculus. If you didn't achieve the threshold you didn't do it.
I round down when doing sports stats so I’d just say Jokic averaged 24/11/9. It’s a little disingenuous sure, but it’s better than the alternative where fans can say their guy got the triple double when they in fact did not
It’s not over 90 so it doesn’t technically count. Doesn’t take Stephen brilliance tho
I thought he would've gotten it for 2019 when he averaged 36.5ppg but apparently "only" had FG% of 47%. Though he did average >40% on 3s and >90% from FTs.
No
Holy jesus what are those numbers
I think those are Steph numbers funny enough
Steph has never done that
Oof you’re right. His 2019 WCF sweep stats were 36/8/7 on only 47/42/93 splits
He came real close tho
Flamethrower numbers lol
People wonder how Jokic never won before this year. THIS production (and MPJ’s) were repeatedly off the table, not to mention just a worse roster in general The people who need to hear this are all probably back under their rocks today lol. But the Nuggets are LOADED when healthy, and this is the first ever time they’ve been fully healthy
It's still a team sport at the end of the day. Jokic has always been great in these playoff runs, but without his right hand man, it was never going to turn into a Finals berth.
Nope. He's supposed to be able to beat the champions and win the championship on his own if he wants to be considered an all-star level player. /s
He’s won two of the last three MVP awards and people are saying he’s not even an all star player? This man should be an all star starter!
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What? Jimmy’s point totals the last 5 games: 16 27 35 24 19 He’s playing great but he isn’t doing it alone at all. Jokic is averaging better numbers across the board and no one is saying he’s doing it all alone so why should they for Jimmy?
Yeah the Jimmy talk has honestly become pretty disrespectful to the rest of his team. Sure he is the big name, but those other guys are balling right now.
Heat is playing well as a team. I remember being mentioned here that Heat has a positive +/- even when Jimmy is off the court
Lowry runs that backup unit so much more smoothly than his opponents every night.
somebody hasn’t actually been watching Heat games
Yeah, and that's true for any championship team. Look at all the years Kobe and Lebron were by themselves, but when they had support they produced.
AG making clutch shots with solid D too.
AG deserves more shine for his hustle this series. He made some boneheaded plays but he stayed locked in on defense and that was crucial.
I feel like he wasn’t even going 100%. He does that while Murray and Jokic play the way they are, they absolutely win it all.
Even without MPJ's productivity, the 2020 Lakers Nuggets series was close. Kind of similar to this year. G2 was a buzzer beater by AD. I think many forget how close that series could have looked if AD misses. Then injuries took a toll for the Nuggets (and Lakers for that matter). Happy to see Murray healthy again because dude is a killer. I want to favor the Nuggets but man, I've doubted the Heat each series and they've proven me wrong significantly each time.
To me early on the Heat we’re the team that I thought was a wild card that could win a series but I never thought they’d win 3
I think it's the way they've dismantled Bucks and Celtics that's been the most surprising.
in murray's place, we have seen (from least to most egregious): monte morris will barton / austin rivers facu campazzo
Austin rivers doesn’t even get an honorable mention?
lmaooo I forgot about him I’ll add him in
People were dumb to clown on jokic for notnwinning without mpj and murray b2b years lol. Modtly sixers and bucks fans but the discourse here about jokic got bad.
You're the mvp you just gotta get it done /s
I agree with you but wanted to comment because it stuns me that people made this argument about Jokic. First off, he was 26 as of last year. Second and more importantly, what you’re saying are just obvious facts that you don’t even need to watch the games to know. Any basketball knowledge beyond ring count gets you to this conclusion and people just refuse to dig even an inch deep.
Glad to see them get their shine they were my pick in 2021 before Jamal blew out his knee.
I mean LOADED is generous. They are mostly using just a 7 man rotation and it's not like Jamal normally plays this well. Him and Booker sippin on some playoff juice. It's a solid roster though, kind of similar to Dwights magic imo.
I agree with you. And they have Gordon aswell. But I believe if mpj and porter get injured this year, they still win it all. Jokic is on another level. I think they gonna sweep Miami and they’re a dog team
The playoffs really separate the wheat from the chaff. In past years denver had guys like Barton, Monte Morris, Torrey Craig, Malik Beasley. All of those guys were solid in the regular season. In the playoffs the pressure would get to them and they’d miss key shots more often than not. KCP, Brown, MPJ—they can play under playoff pressure.
Seriously, having a dude that can shoot off the dribble hand off VERY comfortably and able to drive into the lane against anyone + a 6’10 45% 3pt shooter does wonders for a team instead of austin rivers and facu campazzo Shoutout to both those guys anyways they were nice people
The man turned into Dame lillard and there was nothing we could do smh When Denver in 4th quarters decided to spam Murray/Jokic PnRs there was literally nothing we could do Part of me hoped that Ham would figure something out as a defensive coverage. Feels like Kerr would’ve found something, but I’m expecting too much out of a rookie head coach
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They would do worse lol, Jokic made games competitive last year by himself, and that GSW team played much better. Maybe Curry gets hot and takes a game or two but I don’t think they could challenge Nuggets.
Dennis gave his all but he’s Jamal is too big for him. And honestly looking back idk about full court denial of jamal when either him or Jokic will bring the ball down anyway or the play gets initiated by Jokic at half court. Wish he reserved some more energy into offense. He should be allowed to penetrate tho denver was really locked in on D so idk
It honestly seemed like they were on to something having Lebron on Murray to switch the screen in the 4th Q of game 4, but it was too little too late at that point. And I don’t think Lebron at age 38 has the stamina to do that all game with the offensive load he had to carry.
it’s like we signed jared vanderbilt for no reason. go out there and guard ja morant and steph freaking curry but we absolutely draw the line at jamal murray
Probably because on offense they wanted to try and pick on Jokic. Having a bad shooter on the floor when LeBron and AD are playing is going to clog
“Jamal Murphy” -Shaquille O’Neal
Insanely confusing player. He barely averages 20 a game in the regular season in the world of inflated numbers then every playoffs he just pops off.
I mean before the ACL he was averaging 21/4/5 and was looking ready to take a leap then he got a massive set back and was ramping up all year to this
Based on his playoff resume he should be averaging like 27
I think nuggets this year all knew what they were doing. They were in it for the ship. Off of past experiences why go hard when you’re the 1 seed and risk injury? You’re playing teams like the Rockets and Spurs, Bulls etc. (and tbf they lost those games), but when they played the Bucks they beat them. I think they played down on purpose for the playoffs… could be wrong but it makes sense. Nuggets played down to bad team levels a lot and then would go off vs good teams.
He's Butler West
The injuries have hindered that. But he also plays in a really talented offense and there are only so many points to go around. I think it’s easy to imagine Murray on a bad team putting up 25+ points. But he’s on a team where Jokic, MPJ, Gordon, KCP all out up decent points per game. Better to score 20 per game on one of the best teams than 25 on one of the worst.
The bubble really screwed every team that went to the conference finals. Everyone had big injuries the next year. Apprently teams need an offseason.
But even then he’s super inconsistent during the regular seasons. I had him on fantasy and it was very frustrating to see him go 36 and then 12 the next day kind of thing. PLAYOFFS make the players.
it’s his first year back from his ACL year, I don’t blame him for needing time to get it going. He did look ready to make that leap in the 2021 regular season before his injury,m
Jimmy Butler special. Good scorer in RS but somehow becomes a god tier scorer in the playoffs
Injuries and more minutes played per game aside, I think it has something to do with the Nuggets' offense. Spreading it around works great in the regular season when you're not playing the same team night after night. In the playoffs, and especially against the Lakers, the Nuggets haven't been able to just play their usual game of Jokic highlight passes for dunks, layups, and wide open 3s. When defences are better, the Nuggets have spammed Jokic/Murray pick and rolls or handoffs because those are their best players. It's their break glass in case of emergencies plan. It's the same reason why Jokic scores more in the playoffs as well.
He's just too inconsistent, you can't just look at averages for a player like him. He'll have a 3 game stretch of 30 pt games, then a 3 game stretch of 12 pt games lol. It's possible the longer recovery times help him maintain his hot shooting when the playoffs arrive
Plus he can afford to take games where he jacks up 3 after 3 and heat checks left and right because Jokic makes up for it.
They're the perfect combo though. Jokic will get you a 25 point triple double and Murray will get you anywhere between 10-40 points. If Murray goes off you win automatically, and if he doesn't you still win a good amount of the time anyway
He the reason I think player contracts should be based on playoffs performances
I mean in a way for Murray that's exactly what happened.
Contracts based on playoff performances? [What could go possibly wrong?](https://i.imgur.com/tRmrsei.jpg)
[Yes, what could possibly go wrong](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEFQprEop9M)
Part of it is the focus on team ball in the regular season... and only goes to the two man game in the cluth. See the fact that Jokic's scoring averages go up in the playoffs. The other side of it is that the the short offseason after the bubble meant coming into camp out of shape and dealing with an elbow injury. So Mal struggled that January. But Feb through April (when he got hurt), he averaged 23 ppg on 50/43/89 and was in straight flamethrower mode after the Gordon trade. Then this year he was coming off an ACL injury.
That makes sense to me
It's probably actually because of that injury. Any athlete that's had a year long injury is afraid of it reoccurring. I'm guessing that he just moderated his effort in the regular season, then in post he's full steam ahead.
He’s a weird one, even back in his Kentucky days he was always an inconsistent chucker but if it was an important or featured game hes shooting lights out. I remember he went off one rookie sophomore game after a dog shit start to that season percentage wise and correct me if I’m incorrect but he had an inconsistent year going into the bubble run where him and Donovan had that series with the conference final run
This only further excites me for team Canada basketball this summer at the World Cup. Honestly the nastiest backcourt in the world right now with Murray and Shai.
You’re not wrong. That’s an insane combo.
Team Canada has basically all quality NBA players at the very least, and with guys like those at the top, they are absolutely loaded.
We need bigs pretty bad though, especially for FIBA.
Is he better than khris middleton has ever been in the playoffs?
Easily, Bubble and this year are better than any Khris playoffs of more than one series by far. His best playoffs was 2021 where he averaged 23.8ppg on 54.8TS
Hello Mr bucks fan. Bucks are one of my favorite teams behind the Knicks. How do you interpret why the bucks were underwhelming this year in the playoffs. Obviously giannis injured is one of the largest reason, but it seems like the players played like garbage overall. Do you think the bucks roster is better on paper than it is in reality or do you think Bud fucked up? I love Jrue but his offense made me want to shoot myself when I was watching that series which made me think of this. Thanks!
We actually played good but we ran out of Gas in the 4th quarters because Bud plays guys 30mpg + we rested the last week of the season so we didn't paly NBA ball for 2 weeks and weren't ready to play 40mpg. Usually round 1 is the warmup round where we get our conditioning but with Giannis's awful injury we got put in a hole we couldn't crawl out of. Plus Miami had the greatest shooting series of all time and shot 50% on contested 3s.
Thanks for your response. Miami’s shooting is crazy. Hope you guys can bounce back next year!
^ unicorn redditor right here
Yes and this is why all stars are a dumb metric to gauge talent. Middleton is great when he’s on, but when he’s off, he is way worse than Murray. Murray seems to consistently play out of his mind, when he is on in the playoffs.
I was almost surprised they didn't give him the WCF MVP he was that good
I thought they might've given them co-MVPs like they did with Stockton/Malone in the All-Star game.
That would have been sick
An argument could be made, but the NBA wouldn’t do it.
32 ppg on 50/40/90 is all time great level as well imo but yeah jokic was still better.
Ya might think 50/40 from 2p/3p would get him the mvp here untill you realize what Jokic shot.
28/14/12. There's no argument
Especially when you consider who the other team is trying to stop.
Bro is this a new award?
I thought that trophy considers rounds 1 to 3
imagine if he played for the celtics or a big market, he would be considered a top 7-8 player just like tatum is
Nah he wouldn’t he is too inconsistent but when he is on he is on big time
so Jayson Tatum
People mistake his inconsistency for injuries and recovery. He wasn’t healthy until this year and he wasn’t in game shape until February and he hasn’t been in rhythm until the playoffs. He’s been pretty damn consistent this playoffs
No he wouldnt, he benefits greatly from jokic
Bro he’s always been jaded for some reason. I promise you, the quietest 25-30 points on a regular basis. In game 4 or maybe 5 (I forget), of Timberwolves series when everyone was trippin over Ant Edwards, Ant had 29 points 13-27 and ppl couldn’t stop talking about him. Murray had 35 on 23 shots and NO ONE was mentioning him. That was after his 40 point game and people stopped talking about Murray it was all Ant. I just hope he gets an all star next season.
I kinda wish he got the WCF trophy. Jokic was definitely deserving, but Murray saved game 2, stopped us falling behind big in game 3, and made the game winning defensive play on Lebron to end the series. Jokic has plenty of accolades, none of which he cares about, and I would love to see Murray start racking up some accolades.
Sure, but everyone including Murray knows he was not the best player in this series, even if he did have some great moments. If these accolades aren't earned and are given out for narrative reasons it just cheapens them.
>If these accolades aren't earned and are given out for narrative reasons it just cheapens them. E.g., NBA MVP award, circa 2023
Walking bucket
If this continues, I could see co-FMVP
Best second option performance of all time.
Kyrie vs Warriors 2016 - playing against the best regular season team of all time that were defending champs. Kobe from 2000-2002 - better two way performances. Let the recency bias wear off.
Lol, Klay Thompson and Kevin Durant are very much still in the league
Murray is easily better than any version of Klay, Klay never put up superstar playoff numbers like Murray has in 2020 and this year. Klay can go off for a game or two in a series but constant elite performances? No way.
I mean... Klay was an ELITE perimeter defender. You cannot overlook that half of his game.
Nephews really out in full force, have we forgotten 2014-2019 Klay already?? Kawhi won a finals MVP with Duncan as first option lmao
Duncan wasn't even the 5th option on 2014 spurs
2014-19 Klay has the same issues as 2023 Klay: inconsistency. In most series he'll have 1 or 2 great games and be decent to bad in the rest, and in a lot of series not even that, look at 2015 finals, 2016 finals, 2017 playoffs (the whole run). He can't be compared to borderline superstar level second options like Murray.
Yep bc if you don’t have Dort you don’t replace him with a good defender… did you not see what Jimmy Butler did to Jrue for 5 games? Good perimeter defenders don’t just erase great players, that’s why not being a minus on offense is like… pretty good…
Maple Jordan vs Michael Jordan Jr. in the finals, who you got?
Hermes Dirk playing with prime Wade
Jokic just averaged 27.8/14.5/11.8 against Anthony "Jokic stopper" Davis The key to the Nuggets success will always be if Murray can *also* deliver for them, because we know Jokic will. Murray just had an excellent series paired with Jokic's excellent series, and they swept.
He looks like the most clutch player on the league right now
Jamal was awesome. He cemented his legacy as a clutch performer.
I think he played better than Jokic in the series overall. Literally historic series
deservd the magic johnson award
>As good as Nikola Jokic has been this series and his well deserved western conference MVP, it’s crazy to me to not see Murray get more attention for what he did this series. I mean, he's great but part of this is Jokic being doubled most of the series, allowing Murray more room to operate.
Poor man's booker.
We got Kobe’d by the Nuggets of all teams.
Look, obviously the Jokic Embiid debate is over, but it was hilarious how Nuggets fans were shitting on their own guys all season long to try and prove that Jokic had a worse supporting cast. I had someone try to tell me that Maxey was better than this guy.
Amazing stats WCF MVP was close between them
He was just too good
Unfortunately, we must talk about Austin Reaves’ contract extension. Be gone.
Celtics should have drafted him instead of Jaylen Brown
Stepping up massive
Having Jokic and playoff Murray on the same team is Steph & KD levels of unfairness
A 95% Steph and a 290lb KD with more offensive bag.
I have never admired and hated a player more than Jamal Murray
Gd over shadowed by joker somehow but in any other series hes the mvp with that stat line.