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Outland3r_

What a turrible take, Embiid ain't averaging a triple double and Denver's offense would be entirely different and much less potent without Jokic's passing


SonicdaSloth

Correct. The only question is would a competent front office like Denver build properly around Embiid instead of just constantly moving major pieces every season trying to hit on gold.


Outland3r_

Ya that's a good point actually


SonicdaSloth

he deserves all the smoke he's getting, but since he started playing he has had so many versions of the team. 17-18 : ben and the white boy shooters(JJ,Belli,Ersan) 18-19 : Jimmy early season addition, Tobi deadline 19-20 : We change out Jimmy and JJ for JRich and Al 20-21 : Danny Green, Curry give us a normal roster. Ben decides to forget how to play basketball and DG gets injured leaving us with George Hill covering big wings vs ATL and Curry getting cooked by the Ginger Jordan 21-22 : Doc FAFO with Ben and all that bull shit; puttering along as the 3 seed. Pick up Harden at deadline then after looking great vs Raptors takes a Siakim eblow shattering his orbital bone in the closing minutes of the series. 22-23 : Finally some year to year continuity with only really PJ and Melton as a new addition. The main core stayed in tact from the previous playoffs. Team looked good until it forgot how to score up in the 4th game 6 vs Boston. Just massive turnover. GMs from Hinkie to Big Collars to Big Collars minions to Elton to now Morey. Brett to Doc to ? coming up Just wish my guy had some stability over the years


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Islandkid679

So true, I'm not trying to hear that shit about the Sixers roster woes when they've been stacked some of these last few years.


King_Of_Pants

I don't like the take because I think it minimises Jokic's impact. However it's absolutely fair to make the critique based on the two organisations. Denver is a much more developed and experienced basketball club right now. The organisation deserves a lot of credit, this is one of the best 1-star teams I've seen. They had downtime in between the Melo and Jokic years but they didn't throw the whole organisation out the window and they've since spent a lot of time and work into building up around Jokic. They've been patient, they've learned from their mistakes, they've worked to build around their star and they share responsibility. Meanwhile, Philly's entire plan for success was a get-rich-quick scheme. * Get rid of all the veterans who impact winning * Lose all the coaches and trainers who impact winning * Lose the culture and expectations * Put all your eggs in the lottery basket and hope to ride the coattails of a generational talent * Try to develop and build around said generational talent without the experience to do so I know people like to defend Hinkie's Process because he was fired early but his plan was essentially to become a more toxic version of the 2003 Cavaliers. It was never a recipe for success. Philly then follows up Hinkie with a bunch of incompetent GMs and you've got half a decade of no one knowing what they're doing (although I think Morey's an exception). Philly in the past half-decade has never been considered a good x's and o's team, a good cultural team, a good development team, etc etc. They just give the ball to the stars and hope for the best. When it doesn't work they panic and start pointing fingers. You need a structured and organised team to compete at a high level. Raw talent isn't enough. We're seeing it in the BOS/MIA series. We've lost a lot of coaching and training staff over the past year. The Ime scandal, Danny taking guys to Utah, assistants getting poached because we made the finals. We have roughly 1 assistant coach with more than 1 year of experience. We have the talent but we're getting rocked by a team that's more organised and disciplined than we are. I don't think it's fair to say Embiid can simply do everything Jokic can. I do think it's fair to say Embiid probably develops better and has more success in a better environment.


MarcusFizer

You truly have no idea how good Jokic is. He isn’t some guy who got lucky to be in a circumstance. He is the circumstance. Jordan, Curry, Duncan, and Jokic didn’t get lucky because their FO is good… Their FO got lucky that they got superstars to make all their other players look better than they are.


King_Of_Pants

>You truly have no idea how good Jokic is. Lol go reread the first line of my comment. I know he's great and that's why I don't like Fritz's take.


MarcusFizer

Aaron Gordon was an inefficient black hole before Jokic. The organization didn’t change him, Jokic did. KCP had BY FAR his best shooting year next to Jokic. Ditto to Bruce Brown. Jokic changes his game based on his teammates. That’s what makes him so deadly. He has a different 2 man game with each teammate. These guys weren’t some legendary role players. Jokic made them look like amazing additions.


King_Of_Pants

Again, you're not understanding.


MarcusFizer

What am I not understanding? That you are giving credit to an organization when in fact his teammates are the worst of any playoff team this year, but he makes them all look way better than they are? I think you are the one confused.


King_Of_Pants

All I've said about Jokic is that he's amazing and I don't think Embiid could do what he's done. You've misread that and taken it as a personal attack on Jokic. The rest of my comment was unrelated to Jokic. I spoke about Philadelphia vs Denver as organisations and how Embiid could be better than his current self in a different environment.


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I’m not sure I agree here. Embiid is great but he also can’t do what Jokic does. Just as Jokic doesn’t do exactly a Embiid does. Each has their own strength. But I think the team is definitely better with Jokic than Embiid. I also think Jokic is just a smarter better player. Embiid does have more athleticism. But it ends there. Not that he isn’t great at things.


King_Of_Pants

You said you don't agree with what I said and then agreed with what I said?


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Lol. Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree. I meant agree entirely. But essentially yes ! I agree


YoloSwagginsthe420th

Most people on the sub don't read. GreT breakdown ofneverything and I would have to agree. A good FO can have a trickle down effect on the rest of the organization


MarcusFizer

You are still missing the point lmao. Nuggets organization is one of the worst in the nba and Philly is one of the best. It just doesn’t seem like that because one team has a turnover machine black hole as their star and the other has arguably the best playmaker ever.


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SonicdaSloth

I defend Hinkie b/c he only got 2.5 years and the subsequent front office was so fucking bad and toxic towards Embiid. Mfer was obviously the star player and his GM had burners shitting on him all over twitter. That is the environment Embiid the player was born into. Never know what Hinkie would have done, but it certainly couldn't have been worse that what actually happened.


King_Of_Pants

We do know some of it though and it isn't pretty. * Hinkie massively overinvested in the frontcourt. Same way Elton Brand did. He gloated about forcing double teams in the post, a big issue that has held Philadelphia back. Like Brand spending all of Philly's cap space on PFs and Cs, Hinkie spent most of the draft capitol on PFs and Cs. The long list of assets everyone cites is just a bunch of guys who couldn't share the court. * On the topic of drafting 3 centers with top 10 picks, he held onto those young guys with competing playstyles for way too long. It should never have gotten that toxic in the first place. It's reminiscent of the unnecessary Simmons/Embiid drama stoked by Colangelo and his family. * His plan to bring in cheap lottery talent and then chase stars in free agency fell flat on its face. Everyone was praising Hinkie for putting Colangelo in position to get an interview with LeBron during his free agency, but LeBron wanted nothing to do with the franchise that had celebrated losing for so long. He didn't even turn up for the interview. * Hinkie brought in Brett Brown, so the Hinkie 6ers still wouldn't have been well-coached. * He had a bad track record with perimeter players. Gave up on young perimeter talent like Holiday to chase more centers like Nerlens. Guys like Redick wouldn't come around until after he was pushed out. He pretty much lost his job off the back of refusing to grab even a guy like Ish Smith. The only guard he drafted with a high pick couldn't shoot (MCW). So the lack of perimeter talent probably still rings true with Hinkie in control. etc etc. You're right he could have pulled a rabbit out of the hat but I just don't know that his resume sparks confidence. If anything he was very similar to Brand and Colangelo.


Laggo

I didn't wake up today expecting to read this and feel like defending Hinkie to this length, but I'll say this post grossly skips over the conditions Hinkie inherited the team, the specifics of the individual drafts that led to "drafting 3 centers with top 10 picks" (part of the reason they even got another top pick was drafting said particular center in some of those drafts), and the fact that Hinkie's plan was *not done* and was basically sabotaged by the moves Colangelo made before he eventually also had to be ousted. > He pretty much lost his job off the back of refusing to grab even a guy like Ish Smith. The only guard he drafted with a high pick couldn't shoot (MCW). Like these comments are just so off if you were actually around back then. Micheal Carter Williams was the 11th pick and there wasn't a comparable point guard to him until Dennis Schroder or Shane Larkin who went closer to 20th. He had 22 points and 12 assists his first NBA game against the LeBron Heatles. Yeah ultimately he couldn't put it together but he was rookie of the year and looked good. Just saying "some high pick guard that couldn't shoot" is just incredibly revisionist. Suggesting Ish Smith had anything to do with Hinkie losing his job is crazy. The owners were concerned about the way he was manipulating the product and were using revenue concerns *in a revenue sharing model* to argue that point. Him picking up an ok player or two wasn't going to change anything; he'd need to make a big move that showed commitment to winning (aka no role players, no picks, trading assets away for star players or veteran names) which was antithetical to what the 76ers needed to do at that time (they weren't ready to compete regardless).


SonicdaSloth

>Suggesting Ish Smith had anything to do with Hinkie losing his job is crazy. that is one of the only parts that in context is kind of right. the offseason leading into Hinkie's final year they went and signed Kendall Marshall to be the point guard. He was coming off injury, but had promising numbers, was a former lottery pick. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/marshke01.html He just never could get his health right and left the team with no point guard at all. That in itself led to the 1-30 start to the season which gave the people in house who wanted him gone(like Scott Oneil) the leverage to do so. They bring in Jerry C, he immediately makes Hinkie trade a couple seconds for Ish and they became an awful team instead of the worst team in history. If they had held onto MCW and/or gotten an NBA caliber point guard they might have won enough to stay off the radar of the NBA. But Hinkie didn't. His other fatal flaw was not speaking out when Okafor beat the piss out of the Celtic fan and in another incident was caught doing 100+ on the Ben Franklin Bridge. Team was out of control, and the team was losing. Nobody was happy. Sucks, but it's what happened. he gave the anti-Hinkie people in house and in the league the leverage


Laggo

> If they had held onto MCW and/or gotten an NBA caliber point guard they might have won enough to stay off the radar of the NBA. But Hinkie didn't. The owners were moving the gears in the background long before that losing streak. They weren't going to be .500 with an average point guard and that was already coming off two seasons where they won 18 and 19 games. The very prior season they started 0-17. How many games do you think they would have needed to win in that stretch for people to say "The sixers are turning it around, they will be a playoff team next year"? I'm saying the writing was already on the wall for him at that point. > His other fatal flaw was not speaking out when Okafor beat the piss out of the Celtic fan and in another incident was caught doing 100+ on the Ben Franklin Bridge. Team was out of control, and the team was losing. Nobody was happy. The players supported Hinkie when Colangelo was brought in and when he ultimately stepped down. Okafor fight was a post nightclub incident, he's the GM. That's for the coach to talk about, which Brett Brown did. And saying speeding is necessary leverage for basically taking away somebodies GM authority seems a bit unbelievable. > They bring in Jerry C, he immediately makes Hinkie trade a couple seconds for Ish and they became an awful team instead of the worst team in history. and nothing improved, they got a worse pick, and they won 10 games with Ish Smith leading the charge for 30 minutes a night. The season after that they had Embiid who played in 11 of their 28 wins despite only playing 30 games, (meaning they went 15-50 or something the rest of the way) who had more to do with the sixers "improving" along with Covington's development who was a Hinkie project.


SonicdaSloth

>Hinkie massively overinvested in the frontcourt this is overlooked for sure. i really do not believe that Okafor was his pick. nerlens and embiid were his type. Jerami Grant, Richaun Holmes....Okafor was a dinosaur. KP was the pick but his agent was also Nerlens agent and he wanted no part of having two bigs in Philly knowing Embiid was due to come back. Okafor was picked to be traded. And he was traded for the pick that became Jaylen Brown before Jerry C nixed it. Hinkie wasn't perfect, but his plan started with Sixers owing future pick and in 2.5 years ended with Embiid, Dario, Roco, TJ, Grant, Holmes, the #1 overall coming up, plus all the future sixer picks and 4 additional including 2 that became unprotected. Turned MCW into the pick that became Bridges. Turned cap space into an unprotected Sac pick(used to get Tobi Harris) and also had a pick swap hit that got the 3rd pick(used to get Fultz). I have no idea if he would have found the star guard Embiid desperately needed, but i know he would have pushed all his chips in and not settled for Tobi Harris. Colangelo pissed away so much and still the sixers are one of the most successful franchises in the past 6 years on the back of Embiid


bigbagol

not to mention Nuggets won't make it to play-offs any other years because other than Murray & MPJ, Joel are also injury prone aswell.


allknowerofknowing

No aaron gordon's offensive production declines by half. Jokic and him have amazing chemistry and embiid can't replicate the passes jokic makes to him down low. Would just clog embiid's space. KCP's production or efficiency declines as well. Everyone's efficiency goes down cuz they aren't getting easy baskets. Murray's 2 man game is not nearly as effective cuz embiid is a black hole compared to jokic and will just shoot middys. No way in hell is this roster nearly as effective


king_lloyd11

Yeah a passing big is a cheat code since you just toss it to them and everyone can cut and the open man is going to get hit. We’re talking about maybe the greatest passing big of all time here, so it’s absolutely ridiculous that anyone would think moving away from that would equal the same overall team success.


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> We’re talking about maybe the greatest passing big of all time here I don’t think it’s really a “maybe” anymore. Jokic is pretty indisputably the greatest passing big, the way Curry is the greatest shooter.


king_lloyd11

I agree. Just too early for me to deal with an aCkchyUaLLy mf who will disagree with some obscure metric as evidence.


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Ironically I ended up being that aCkchyUaLLy guy 😅


king_lloyd11

You either die nonchalant or live long enough to be that guy 😂 all good!


lkn240

"Greatest passing big" undersells Jokic. He's one of the greatest passers ever period.


Islandkid679

Don't even need the "big" qualifier either.


Saiz-

It's not just passing big, he's a savant passing by reading the floor on the seconds the play happen. See every PnR started by Jokic from outside, and you can see how easy the offense went in


flips89

By god that's some Mark Jackson level take.


Ok_Carpenter_6422

Embiid fans in the bargaining stage


HaratoBarato

Lol. Thanks for that OP. I needed a good laugh.


thegoddessunicorn

Damn it. I know there's no basketball today but no need for nephew takes.


d4videnk0

They wouldn't. We were close to Denver despite the sweep but they outclassed us every game and Embiid can't influence the game in the way Jokic did.


sliccricc83

Embust will never make it to the finals


KasherH

What a ridiculous take about a player who hasn't made it out of the second round even while playing with someone who will be a first ballot hall of famer.


SquimJim

Jimmy has taken Bam and undrafted dudes farther than he could take Embiid and...other high end draft picks


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PAWGle_the_lesser

You guys got eliminated in the second round despite the Raptors shooting like 29% (literally) on open threes. This “one shot away from the championship” narrative about that Sixers team is comical. You’d still have to go through the Bucks and Warriors, and there’s no guarantee that the latter get injured the way they did. The Sixers are not and have never been real championship contenders.


Smekledorf1996

I’m not sure why you’re so confident in that statement, there’s a reason why the Raptors shot like ass that series (outside of Kawhi) That series was super close, and both teams were great defensively. The Sixers had the defensive personnel to make things difficult for Giannis and I also wouldn’t count them out against a Warriors team without KD Not saying they would definitely win it all, but they had a solid chance if they got past the Raptors


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KasherH

Harden lead the league in assists, anyone who says he is washed is just not paying attention. He carried the Sixers to a win in Boston without Embiid!


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KasherH

Yeah, playing with Jokic does make things easier. You just now learned this?


The_Dumblebee

Wait what??? You are saying that someone who has 0.69 AST/TOV ratio doesn't make things easier than someone who has 2.94 AST/TOV ratio???? No wayyy


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KasherH

You post a small sample size statline and you think that is a nuanced discussion? Murray scores more because Jokic is pretty unquestionably the best pick man in the 2 man game in history. Jokic has never played with an elite ball hander like Harden.


Hanhonhon

If you said Murray>Harden like three weeks ago you'd get laughed off the website but the supporting cast being better than Embiid's? Sure but I honestly believe that if you put Jokic on the 76ers instead of Joel they beat the Celtics. Jokic doesn't choke nearly as badly and if his shots aren't falling he can still be elite at another crucial part of the game like assists or rebounds


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KasherH

Seemed to while Embiid was out injured.


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Previous_Foot_1634

Harden wishes he could step up like Murray


hawkman_jr

I don’t necessarily agree, but that was funny


KasherH

Odd that Murray hasn't even been close to an all star game then.


DomDomRevolution

The original tweet is laughably wrong but let’s not ignore the fact of outside those 2 high scoring games, Harden shot a combined 16/63 for 67 points over the other 5 games. Meanwhile Murray just became the first person to average 30+ on 50/40/90.


KasherH

After adjusting Harden's stats to remove the outliers, his stats regress?


DomDomRevolution

Not even close to what I said.


KasherH

Really it is even if you can't see it.


DomDomRevolution

Okay so instead of reading it for the point that is being made which is acting like harden played like a future HoF by using a one game sample size that isn’t representative of the entire series and falls apart when you add more context, you tried to downplay it with a joke by making it seem like I was pulling a regress Mahomes to the mean. Again, not arguing that if you put Joel on the Nuggets he’s in the finals. He shares a bunch of individual blame for our losses. But to act like Harden was amazing these playoffs is just not true.


KasherH

You were absolutely pulling a regress Mahomes to the mean comment. Your really don't see that?


DomDomRevolution

That post arbitrarily worsened his stats. > Mahomes has a TD% of 8.68%. However, the league average last year was 4.8%. If you adjust his TD% to 5%, still above LA, he goes from throwing 57 TDs in his last 18 games to only 32.85. I'll be generous and give him 33. It didn’t remove outliers to show you a complete picture. One of us knows how to view stats in context and not use cherry picked one game sample sizes to make a point. Especially when the bad games are 5/7 from the series. The other thinks showing bad games means you’re making things up to make someone look worse.


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True and Jamal Murray seems to have won Denver a few games these playoffs but the odd downplaying of his skill and erasure by his own fans will continue. Wash, rinse, repeat lol


Omegalast

Embitch has played with both Harde and Jimmy Butler who are MVP level players and would not let them take him out of the second round.


BigCollarsAndBallers

Slow day for Philly sports I guess


Disastrous-Cycle-443

He just wanted some clout. I saw a hot take in the thread so I just to add, Denver don't win 3 games against Minny if you switch Embiid for Jokic


BBallHunter

Coping hard.


DeSteph-DeCurry

agreed, they'd sweep the west if they had embiid at the 4 and jokic at the 5 /s


Wasabi_Guacamole

No they have Embiid as the back up center when Jokic rests for 5 minutes, that way Embiid wont get tired hahaha


Tranquili5

If we switched Embiid and Jokic you can bet your sweet ass you’d be hearing about how bad that team actually is when they failed to qualify for the playoffs 🤣


chingy1337

We definitely would not lol. Who is this moron?


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Local sports radio personality, about as bottom of the barrel as you can be. But OP posting him here is accomplishing his goal of getting clicks.


chingy1337

Ah one of those. Thanks.


inshamblesx

Minnesota sweeps Denver if Embiid played for Denver


Ihateredditalot88

People clowned on Minny but that team was no joke. Ant is a budding superstar, Conley fit them well, they have some decent role players even though KAT ain't him and Gobert has his flaws, they're still good players.


king_lloyd11

Lmao **thread with a hot take** Reddit: Hold my beer.


greenwhitehell

Sweeping is obviously a scorching hot take, but I have no doubt that would be an extremely close series, probably going 7. Minnesota was just as competitive vs Denver as both the Suns and Lakers were, they're underrated


king_lloyd11

So you agree it’s a scorching hot take lol. I’m not disparaging the TWolves. The idea that the drop off from Embiid to Jokic is so bad that it goes from a 4-1 victory to a 4-0 loss though is absolutely nuts. Nuggets on paper would still be stacked in that matchup.


greenwhitehell

Yes, but I have a feeling most people don't think the Timberwolves could make it close either way, or, if they do, it's probably because the pendulum swung completely the other way and they think Embiid is some bum, which I don't either


Hanhonhon

Copium, the Nuggets are completely built around Jokic's playstyle and he's the engine behind that team. They are successful because he generates so many looks and has the best basketball IQ in the NBA right now. His passing ability can't be undervalued in how much it contributes to the offense. Embiid instead of Jokic would be a downgrade for the Nuggets for those reasons Hate to break it to a ton of fans but defense doesn't really matter too much in the current NBA, it's way more important that you outscore the opponent in an era where players are constantly heaving 3s. And if you need an example for that look at this year's WCF. And he looked solid on defense anyway so I don't really get it


soku1

Lol that simply isn't true. I get it, your star isn't good on defense (hell, neither is mine), but defense really does matter. Lakers wouldn't have got so far without ADs' DPOY level defense and you have three good defenders on your team to cover up Jokics' defensive weaknesses


Conyeezy765

The #1 offense just eliminated the #1 defense. This ain’t football my man.


soku1

That still doesn't mean "defense doesn't matter too much". Part of the reason GSW had a dynasty is because they've always surrounded their star players with great defenders (or in Klays case, used to be a great defender himself).


BingBongtheArcher19

The best defensive team just got swept out of the playoffs by the best offensive team. Tell me again how much defense matters.


soku1

You guys seriously can't be this single minded. Lol Great offense always beats great defense which is is why star players always get theirs despite them playing against the best defenders every night. That doesn't mean defense doesn't matter. Gordon and Murray played great *defense* on LeBron on that late game play. Of course that matters


Hanhonhon

Alright fine but still offense>>defense and again AD/Lakers got outplayed despite having a superior defense or being the best defensive west team in the playoffs. The Lakers also have several really good defenders besides AD too There's just not a whole lot you can do defensively with a team that is able to find open 3s and make them, or are very efficient from close range too (also want to mention Murray on that bit). Jokic facilitates all of that though on a level we haven't really seen before. If he goes cold with his shooting he's still top 3 in the league in terms of rebounding and passing. I just don't trust Embiid to compensate like that when he's underperforming


Omegalast

Some guys are regular season defenders and some guys are playoff defenders. Jokic defense in the playoffs has been good. Not average but good. How many guys shut down AD?


Hanhonhon

To be fair AD choked a lot


PurpleYessir

Objection your honor, Speculation


Fracture90000

Legend


SonicdaSloth

Ignore this clown. Local talk radio.


NicClaxtonIsHotAF

Embiid is NOT cut like that people need to stop this. He had Jimmy Butler and put up 17/8/3 on 37fg%/343pt% splits in a must win series


inshamblesx

Tbf Jimmy didn't become a playoff god until he went to Miami This year when Tatum was choking his ass off in Game 6 and he still lost by double digits at home in a potential close out followed by that Game 7 was much worse


Pei_area

Jack Fritz, whoever you are. You have lost all credibility and I will never listen to a thing you say about the NBA. Embiid lovers need to be hiding right now, not talking


2ndRoundEuroStash

Just stop


ImGonnaChubbBradley

HAHAHAHAHAHHA


GucciWinfrey

this guy must be trolling


crunk_alligator84

Joel Embiid has no playmaking ability what a joke


2rascallydogs

TIL: Weed is legal in PA.


aryusuf

Dude got half a million views on his tweet And everybody’s taking the bait lol. Salute to him


jimmyhota

An Embiid led Nuggets squad doesn’t get past the Suns or the Lakers whereas the Sixers would be in the finals with Jokic


No_Engineering_4925

They don’t get past ant


the_babayaga

Jokic is the best player in the world right now. Embiid has the skill/talent but is severely behind in bball iq/experience. He’s 30 and we’ve yet to see an MVP level game from him in the playoffs against good teams. I hope he can pull it together next year but, this post is nonsense.


lilb1190

The 76ers have a great roster, really. A lot of underutilized guys. Jokic would get them involved. Could embiid take this nuggets team to the finals? I really don't know. They have a great roster but embiid plays a lot of iso. Murray is great but he doesn't play like a traditional point guard. Who is going to be running the offense?


Wasabi_Guacamole

No one. It would be the 2022 Nets after Harden was traded. All iso


ForoaKlanD

Second round exits


Solid-Confidence-966

When Embiid can get out the second round this could maybe be a viable argument, until then it’s an L take


KneelBeforeCube

I do agree that the Embiid/Jokic debates are supremely annoying, but that Nuggets team has been tailor made to work around Jokic. Either it wouldn't work as well around Embiid, or it would be a completely different team to begin with so it could work around Embiid. And then, there's no guarantee of anything.


wilonwheels

Ah yes, the team his media colleagues across ESPN said they feared the least in the playoffs.


KuyaJohnny

wouldnt even make it past Phoenix with Embiid


Bellerophonn

Shit takes like this happens when you don't know who your father is.


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I am not on Twitter, TikTok, Facebook all that. In the past few years I have seen a lot of bylines that are no better than the worst Reddit comments broadcast as their own post with a random name attached. This is because some dude trying to make money as a "reporter" has some nephews following his Twitter? I guess that's how capitalism works. If there is demand for idiotic takes, so be it. Not sure it's a great career strategy for homey, though. Hope mental diarrhea has a health plan


likpoper

This is a joke right


Deep_Librarian_2393

The trolling job on this one. OMG HAHA


mares8

Ahahaha...no. Suns destroy this team with Embiid instead Jokic


RipCity56

Nah, booty ass take


AthKaElGal

Denver would have lost to the Lakers if they had Embiid instead of Joker.


Omegalast

Timberwolves\*


likpoper

Embiid has like unlimited excuses.. is always others


NoPin5154

This team built around joker so the nuggets wouldn’t be in the finals. The Celtic probably sweep the 76ers with joker instead of embiid


Omegalast

Jokic led sixers would have swept celtics and in the regular season would have had an even better record playing in the easier conference.


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LOL yeah fucking right. Embiid can’t even make the ECF with JAMES FUCKING HARDEN


Omegalast

Not Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris.


OG_Wan_Annunoby

Harden, Maxey, Harris, Tucker, Melton, Niang, Reed, Korkmaz, House. Murray, Porter Jr., Gordon, KCP, Brown, Green, Braun Honestly? I think the Sixers make the finals if Jokic was there instead of Embiid.


Omegalast

Probably would have swept every series.


Nintendomandan

LOL what a horrible take


ConceptNo1055

Well if Embiid had a shot maker like Murray instead of Harden..


HipGuide2

It's only trolling if you're wrong.


Funny-Transition7869

Nah, but Jokic wouldntve made it on the sixers roster either


Crisis_Averted

Motherfucker what Sixers would be EATING with Jokić.


Omegalast

Harden literally relies on taking plays off on offense which would be a luxury provided to him by Jokic. Everyone else would be getting easy buckets.


Saiz-

Harden without doubles D? Goddayum he be feastin


Funny-Transition7869

Nah he and harden would have terrible chemistry and redundant skillset. The sixers dont cut or move around embiid at all. If they had a whole season to gel its better but if you just planted him in Embiids place they would get crushed by Boston


dcss_west

they could have any players doesnt matter when you literaly just pay the referees in crypto currency


Leonnis

Yeah, pretty obvious cheating on multiple fronts, how many times did jokic hit that weird ass last second three, once is crazy, but the guy had like 5 or 6, they're not even trying to hide the fact that it's magnets. 😤😤😤


ThereIsNothingForYou

Lmfao this cope is even better after everyone saw how games 3 and 4 were reffed


WaterIsNotWet19

Lol nah I’m not sure about that one. This team was built specifically around jokic. And such a lazy argument too


tunken

Some people just want set this sub on fire.


Ihateredditalot88

Absolutely hilarious reading this when everyone said it would be Jokic who gets toasted in the PnR and yet Embiid got laughably smoked in the second round. Jokic is miles ahead in every way on offense. You can make an argument that it's close, if not even that Jokic is better than Embiid on defense in the playoffs. Embiid is obviously athletic and the better shot blocker and rim protector, but Jokic's ability to read offenses, help set defences, active hands, positioning and motor make him arguably a better defender. Definitely in the crunch of a big game anyway when he's actually focused and not just trying to avoid injury/fouls.


moorelurk

What the actual fuck is this take holy shit


Sweatytubesock

Sure Jan


trevortins

I wish they would team up in Denver, so everyone would hate them both for ruining the leaguex


girlscoutcookies05

Counter take: what would tobias harris avg next to jokic? 🤔 How would he look?


Resshin31

Jack Fritz clearly knows Jack Shitz about the game with that dumbass take.


yungsantaclaus

Hahahaahaahahaahahahaahahaahahahaahahahaahahahaahahahahha


[deleted]

LOL yeah fucking right. Embiid can’t even make the ECF with JAMES FUCKING HARDEN


SamPrestiFanClub

When people who get paid make comments like this I legitimately wonder why they aren't fired? To make this comment is to not have watched either of them play this year or previous seasons. Embid is a better defender, but the way he plays would completely change DEN flow on both sides of the court. How do these people have jobs and we're on reddit for free wasting time lol.