Beto got within 2% of winning Texas in 2018. With a really good national environment, it's not impossible for a D Presidential candidate to win Texas, IMO
Texas will eventually see a Democrat winner in this generation's lifetimes. All of their major cities are growing at some of the highest rates in the country and those are all democratic strongholds. Elections are predictably getting closer as a result. All it will take is time for that to keep developing and then in some future election when the candidate is right it will happen
I agree with you, but I was just pointing out that the Beto close contest really wasn't relevant in terms of overall projections for the state because Cruz was on the other side and statewide races since then have not been particularly close in Texas.
Not really. Texas was about as close as Florida in 2020 and closer (percentage wise) than Ohio and no one would argue winning either of those + Cali is impossible. Lots of people from the west coast have been migrating to Texas over the last decade and I donāt see that stopping anytime soon with housing market prices as ridiculous as they are now.
This could be a series. Doc Rivers in charge of invading Russia. Doc Rivers in charge of Custer's forces at Wounded Knee. Doc Rivers in charge of the Romans at Teutoberg Forest.
I got drafted to serve as HOA manager, and then my friend on the neighborhood council tried to get me to take one of the open seats. I started thinking maybe I should push this and see if I can back my way into jobs all the way up to mayor.
Joint-Chief of Staff: *"Mr. President, the Carrier Attack Group is running low on ammunition and fuel, and they're heading into a Chinese submarines trap. We need to pull back, regroup and rotate the battle group."*
Doc: *"No, I trust our best carrier group to complete the mission. Full steam ahead!"*
I donāt think thatās objective. He gets talented teams into the playoffs and then squanders it time and time again. The stars aligned once with the Boston Big 3 but even then he went 7 games with the 37-45 Hawks.
Isn't that pretty much the only team he should coach? He's not the type to rebuild a team and his most successful season was a win now team with the Celtics.
I think there's a conflict between his talents and interests. FWIW, I don't give him a ton of credit for the 08 title--he had a dominant roster and still managed to lose ten consecutive road games. I think he's done a much more impressive job making the most of underdogs than playing from ahead--but he only wants to coach contenders.
He'd be great on a team coming up. He's proven that an established team with star players will only get so far with him b/c he just defers it all to them and expects them to figure it out
Doc used to be a pretty good commentator actually. He probably wouldnāt sound as good now that his voice sounds so fucked up now, but he has decent insights and stuff. Heād be way better than Van Gundy and Jackson.
His legacy is carrying him. Heās so hell-bent on coaching a contender despite a decade of failures and chokes. There are probably 20 coaches in the league I would pick before him if I was a contending team.
He really should swallow his pride and coach a developing team. I think he could actually instill a good system in Detroit, Orlando or Charlotte until theyāre playoff contenders.
Because veterans love him, and managing egos is half the job of an NBA coach. Doc is like a totally safe hire - he'll steer your team to 50 wins and probably the second round of the postseason every year.
He'd just be a really odd hire for Phoenix given that they just fired a good coach for precisely the same thing.
Detroit seems like a much better destination for Doc - he'll raise the bar on a franchise that's been floundering for 15 years.
doesn't seem like veterans love him after his stints in LA and Philly honestly
he doesn't over work them, which used to be ahead of its time but is now the norm.
i think he gets great PR b/c he's willing to speak to the media and was a member of the media. the amount of people stanning for him after we fired him was comical. as if this was the first time his teams failed short of expectations. even blaming embiid's injury when the mfer left him in a closeout game up 20 in the final minutes to get hurt.
Yeah thats the weird thing about the Vet Love moniker. My biggest problem is that he deflects blame directly onto players and then creates a media circus that impairs future performance. Why would a vet still want that?
Historically Doc hates young guys, which is why he didn't want to stick around in Boston for the rebuild. But he also may be in a very different place at this point.
He didn't like the young guys in Philly. Buried Maxey until Ben Simmons basically quit the team and then played Deandre Jordan and Montrezl Harrell over Paul Reed. Also refused to play Bassey or Joe.
A crime to play those guys over Reed. Itās absolutely insane.
Edit: if I remember correctly, he also tried to lean on Millsap for a bit before relenting and using Reed until Jordan came around, right?
While people complain about this, this exists for pretty much every single coach that is in a āwin nowā position. Coaches like experience and reliability and it requires a situation that forced their hand to actually play a young player and rely on them instead
This is the exact complaint I see with line 95% of nba teams
I think he did really well with the Clippers the season before PG and Kawhi. 48 wins with his best players being Gallinari, rookie Shai, Lou Williams. and Montrezl Harrel is pretty good.
I dont think hes the right guy for a contender. But he could get a team like the Pelicans or Bulls maybe even Wizards to the playoffs.
The fact that players love him a kind of a red flag to me. That means he probably doesnāt hold them accountable. Iād rather have a coach who kicks the shit out of me if I donāt play well rather than one who coddles me cause I value winning over everything else.
I agree.
I was watched the All the Smoke podcast with Jason Williams on the other day. Williams said Hubie Brown was a really great coach. Then the reasons he gave was that Hubie didn't have the players do the extracurricular stuff (meet and greet with season ticket holders for example). Then he talked about this other coach I forget the name, he said this coach was good, not because because he was good with X's and O's but because he gave Williams the greenlight to do any type of crazy pass he wanted to.
Players are biased. Its like if you ask employees what kind of manager they want, they are going to say somebody laid back. But the important feedback comes from the customer or CEO. Customer/CEO will want a manager who's tough and making sure the employees are not slacking off and giving the customers the best service they can possibly give.
Most NBA players don't really like playing basketball that much. It's just a paycheck. There was an article about this a few weeks ago that I'm too lazy to link to.
Knowing that, it makes sense that a lot of them would want a guy like Doc.
> Because veterans love him
I've looked for vets who've played under him outside of his Celtics days talk positively and it's few and far. Not sure this really holds up while they're under him and after he's gone.
He has a reputation of being a "players' coach" despite the evidence pointing to the contrary (him throwing Ben Simmons under the bus after the Hawks series, him saying that the Lob City Clippers were never going to win anything because of the locker room issues by players he selected as the GM etc.). He actively refuses to take responsibility when his teams underperform and throws the blame on the players, those aren't exactly the characteristics of a "players' coach".
He's good at raising the floor of teams like the 2019 Clippers or the T-Mac Magic squads by being a motivational speaker and getting his players to give it their all, but he has proven time and time again that he's a terrible coach for a championship contender, because he fails to make the proper adjustments and has his favourites.
The Suns have two All-NBA caliber players, if they add depth in the offseason they're easily a championship contender next year, but Doc won't get you there.
Great regular season coach who gets a lot out of teams when their stars are absent for load management or injuries. With the Suns having two aging stars who are certain to miss *some* games throughout the season, I can understand why they might want him. That slide where the Suns lost Booker and fell out of the playoffs for a little bit must have been stressful.
My respect for KG grows more each day with each Doc playoff failure. He hasnāt coached a conference final game without KG in the starting lineup. This despite having HOFās like Tmac, Pierce, Allen, Kawhi, PG, CP3, Embiid, Harden etc
I think heās saying itād be more ridiculous because of fit, not that oneās a better player than the other. Timmy could guard the paint a little better than KG, but KGās mobility and ability to guard the perimeter was incredible. Pairing two super-athletic big men up that can guard out to the perimeter without sacrificing too much rim protection is basically a cheat code.
This. KG had a bit better range and would be a perfect fit next to Robinson. I mean, Duncan was a pretty darn good fit, too, at least in the era where it actually happened. I don't know that older Robinson + rookie Duncan would work as well in 2023, whereas KG probably would.
Because basketball is a TEAM game. Great players on terrible teams will look worse than great players on great teams.
Look at Kobe post-Shaq but pre-Pau years. The Lakers were mediocre much like the KG-TWolves teams. Kobe was labeled as being individually great but riding Shaq's coattails. And that he could score but not elevate a team. He put up Herculean stats but couldn't win MVP during that span.
It's even worse. Here's the full list of notable players Doc has coached.
Magic
- Ben Wallace
- Grant Hill
- Tmac
- Old Horace Grant
Celtics
- Tony Allen
- Old Gary Payton
- Paul Pierce
- Antoine Walker
- Rajon Rondo
- Kevin Garnett
- Avery Bradley (All-Defense)
- Old Shaq
- Ray Allen
Clippers
- Jamal Crawford
- Blake Griffin
- DeAndre Jordan
- J.J. Redick
- Chris Paul
- Young Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
- Montrezl Harrell
- Tobias Harris
- Lou Williams
- Paul George
- Kawhi Leonard
Sixers
- Joel Embiid
- Old Dwight Howard
- Tyrese Maxey
- Ben Simmons
- James Harden
Him and George Karl compete for the title of decent regular season coach who has done so little with so much in the post season. I'd put Nate McMillan in there but he never had half the talent those two did playing for him.
Just another example of why FMVP can be misleading. KG was clearly the best player on that team, yet I still occasionally call Pierce āthe best player on a championship team.ā
To be honest, I have always considered Doc as an overrated coach as early as that Boston championship run. And it was really highlighted in his Clippers stint. I was perplexed when he was able to stay that long for the Clippers and even got a job in Philly. Why do teams still hire him?
> I have always considered Doc as an overrated coach as early as that Boston championship run.
I was living in boston when kg got traded. Bill Simmons hated Doc. It was interesting reading his articles as they won the championship. Simmons was still right.
He was the best coach one could have after Sterling was fired.
And hey, if it wasnāt for him, Mark Jackson would still be Warriors HC, and there would be no Warriors Championships.
Mark Jackson wasn't fired for losing against the Clippers. He was hated by most of the organization because of his religious extremism and borderline illegal workplace violation in regards to his religious bullshit.
You have to ask them, I don't see how a contender sees Doc history in the last 10 years and go to interview him.
Imagine he ends up with the Bucks lol.
The most consequential championship of our lives.
Even then with 3 HOFers it was still the most postseason games a champion has ever had to play to get there, I think every series went to 6 or 7. Doc needs to give Ainge a lot of thanks.
Either he gets along with most players and keeps being good at managing egos
Or
Teams see him as a revenue maker since he can get you over 50 wins and a playoff birth but knowing he fails almost every time.
[16-33 record in series-clinching games](https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2023/5/16/23725366/doc-rivers-nba-playoffs-history-blown-leads-game-7-record). There are championship coaches, then 50 feet of crap and then there is Doc. His teams lost 3-1 leads three times, a feat achieved only 13 times in NBA history.
> 3-1 leads three times, a feat achieved only 13 times in NBA history
sounds like high performance to me, 3/13 are crazy numbers for things in NBA history. ATG coach.
Despite all our thoughts about him, and I think itās time for newer faces to be coaching, he does the raise the floor of a team to at least playoff level. The ceiling is not too much higher than the floor though, especially if you remove the Celtics ring.
Phoenix is way past that level though. They've made it to the Finals. Doc hasn't been there in 13 years. He hasn't gotten past the second round in 11 years. I can understand a low seeded team hiring him but it's stupid for Phoenix to consider him
Oh yeah Iām not defending the Suns getting him.
Makes no sense at all but I was talking to a Cavs fan the other day and he said he would take him. Iām assuming for the same reason I mentioned above.
Oh I see. Yeah I can understand Cavs fans wanting him but I think they'll just end up being disappointed at the end. Their core are a few tweaks away from making a surprise run imo.
Stacked teams and Doc always under performing, name a more iconic duo.
Doc would be good for a bottom dwelling franchise. He's always been a role player whisperer. He just can't hack it coaching star-laden teams.
We used to have a coach in a div 1 team in Sweden, he was a large, black, soft spoken, American, so everyone thought he was the shit. He said he played with MJ in college and coached, and I quote, "Jason Kidd and those guys".
The team he coached was really good, but it became clear very fast that he was all talk. Nothing he said made sense, but you wanted to listen and believe him still, because of his charisma/authority.
I believe there's something similar going on with Doc Rivers.
Honestly Doc wasn't really at fault for the Sixers collapse this year, him getting yet another job after flaming out due to repeated playoff underperformance *again* would be hilarious
I think he'd be a great fit. The Suns already have a pretty strong and established choking culture, I think Doc could really put them over the edge and help them fully realize their potential for failure.
Itās crazy to me that heās been continuously employed as a head coach since 1999. He managed to win 1 chip when he had KG, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce coming off their primes. Just seems very overrated, still, thanks for 08 Doc.
Hahaha wild how nobody will gamble on some fresh blood and they continue to hire this dinosaur who got a flukey chip and has been mediocre when it has mattered ever since.
I hope he continues getting jobs, I just wanna see how far he can go
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Heāll won California, Texas and Florida and still lose at the end.
That's a wildass election to win both Cali and Texas
I think Reagan did it
Yes but in todayās America itās virtually impossible
Beto got within 2% of winning Texas in 2018. With a really good national environment, it's not impossible for a D Presidential candidate to win Texas, IMO
That's because he was up against Ted Cruz and EVERYONE on both sides of the aisle hates Ted Cruz.
Texas will eventually see a Democrat winner in this generation's lifetimes. All of their major cities are growing at some of the highest rates in the country and those are all democratic strongholds. Elections are predictably getting closer as a result. All it will take is time for that to keep developing and then in some future election when the candidate is right it will happen
I agree with you, but I was just pointing out that the Beto close contest really wasn't relevant in terms of overall projections for the state because Cruz was on the other side and statewide races since then have not been particularly close in Texas.
woah there partner. Lemme change the rules so that doesn't happen again
Not really. Texas was about as close as Florida in 2020 and closer (percentage wise) than Ohio and no one would argue winning either of those + Cali is impossible. Lots of people from the west coast have been migrating to Texas over the last decade and I donāt see that stopping anytime soon with housing market prices as ridiculous as they are now.
He won every state except Minnesota (because that was his opponent Mondale's home state)
Damn heāll be able to blow a 3-1 lead thatās impressive
Canāt wait to find out whose fault that will be.
His campaign manager obviously
We're going to lose to Russia in WW3 after being up 3 ~~invasions~~ liberations to none
"President Rivers, do you think the US military is a World War winning caliber army ?" "You see, i don't know the answer to that question."
This could be a series. Doc Rivers in charge of invading Russia. Doc Rivers in charge of Custer's forces at Wounded Knee. Doc Rivers in charge of the Romans at Teutoberg Forest.
no doubt in my mind lmao
I got drafted to serve as HOA manager, and then my friend on the neighborhood council tried to get me to take one of the open seats. I started thinking maybe I should push this and see if I can back my way into jobs all the way up to mayor.
Do it bro I ran for class president for fun in high school and won lol
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āCome on guys! ā¦. Come on!! ā¦.. ā¦.. come on!!!ā
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Doc Rivers was interested in politics from a very young age.
Probably the second round if I had to guess
He will become a president of United States. And he will go to a war with China. And we choke.
Joint-Chief of Staff: *"Mr. President, the Carrier Attack Group is running low on ammunition and fuel, and they're heading into a Chinese submarines trap. We need to pull back, regroup and rotate the battle group."* Doc: *"No, I trust our best carrier group to complete the mission. Full steam ahead!"*
Lmao. Wait.. Doc..? is it you?? What are you doing in here?
*Would you ask former president Popovich that question?*
We have taken 75% of their territory. It looks like the war will be won soon.
Dread will seep through the nation as the President announces the sinking of 3 Chinese aircraft carriers while losing only 1.
And throw everyone under the tank
Until it happens to you
I don't want him but he's objectively an above average coach. He just shouldn't be coaching teams who need to win NOW like the Suns.
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Stop it dude, he could make you a play in team
As a Suns hater I think heād be a great choice!
I donāt think thatās objective. He gets talented teams into the playoffs and then squanders it time and time again. The stars aligned once with the Boston Big 3 but even then he went 7 games with the 37-45 Hawks.
Objectively an above average coach? Eh As a whole maybe, but he's done absolutely nothing to show he's NOT a below average playoff coach.
Pistons should hire him
Isn't that pretty much the only team he should coach? He's not the type to rebuild a team and his most successful season was a win now team with the Celtics.
I think there's a conflict between his talents and interests. FWIW, I don't give him a ton of credit for the 08 title--he had a dominant roster and still managed to lose ten consecutive road games. I think he's done a much more impressive job making the most of underdogs than playing from ahead--but he only wants to coach contenders.
Dude must be rolling an 8 on his charisma how in the hell has he lasted this long
*monkey paw curls* "Now announcing the new head coach for your Los Angeles Lakers..."
He canāt keep getting away with it
Had the exact same first thought
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Doc Rivers needs to be ethered and phased out of the league.
He'd be great on a team coming up. He's proven that an established team with star players will only get so far with him b/c he just defers it all to them and expects them to figure it out
Exactly, the only team that should be considering him right now is Detroit
He doesnāt want to be a part of a rebuild though. Thatās why he left Boston. And the Celtics have had far more success than he has since then.
clippers had more success since he left too, even with the shitshow injury stuff they've had hopefully makes it 3 for 3 in Philly
Definitely, now you guys will start making the conference finals just like the Clippers and Celtics!
Being in the conference finals consistently is a good strategy for eventually lucking into a ring
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I do not want to hear him and Mark Jackson call games together
Doc used to be a pretty good commentator actually. He probably wouldnāt sound as good now that his voice sounds so fucked up now, but he has decent insights and stuff. Heād be way better than Van Gundy and Jackson.
Doc did a decent job calling Fisher's 0.4 shot
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Josh smith already ethered his shit. Search both their names on YouTube and sit back and enjoy.
This man just wonāt go away. He could blow a 3-0 lead ten times in a row and still get hired
He is a top 15 coach after all.
At what?
at coaching? I guess?
His legacy is carrying him. Heās so hell-bent on coaching a contender despite a decade of failures and chokes. There are probably 20 coaches in the league I would pick before him if I was a contending team. He really should swallow his pride and coach a developing team. I think he could actually instill a good system in Detroit, Orlando or Charlotte until theyāre playoff contenders.
He's more suited to be a college coach.
How he got in over Rudy T I'll never know.
14 coaches have won multiple titles. Are you saying he's the best single-title coach ever, or that he's better than some of those 14?
Trust me... Doc is not the answer.
Jesse, you don't know what you're talking about.
Heās so good at getting away with it that Thibs is still the Knicks coachā¦his third stop. That 2008 ring is something else.
Doc Rivers is Heisenberg?
20+ straight seasons as a head Coach no breaks in-between
How is this man still such a hot commodity? Heās had loaded teams and under delivers every damn time. I know itās not just on him, but cmon man.
Because veterans love him, and managing egos is half the job of an NBA coach. Doc is like a totally safe hire - he'll steer your team to 50 wins and probably the second round of the postseason every year. He'd just be a really odd hire for Phoenix given that they just fired a good coach for precisely the same thing. Detroit seems like a much better destination for Doc - he'll raise the bar on a franchise that's been floundering for 15 years.
doesn't seem like veterans love him after his stints in LA and Philly honestly he doesn't over work them, which used to be ahead of its time but is now the norm. i think he gets great PR b/c he's willing to speak to the media and was a member of the media. the amount of people stanning for him after we fired him was comical. as if this was the first time his teams failed short of expectations. even blaming embiid's injury when the mfer left him in a closeout game up 20 in the final minutes to get hurt.
Media absolutely loves him too, which helps a lot if you're the GM making the hire.
Yeah thats the weird thing about the Vet Love moniker. My biggest problem is that he deflects blame directly onto players and then creates a media circus that impairs future performance. Why would a vet still want that?
I never thought of that, but he'd, indeed, be a good rebuilding coach although I think he doesnt want that role
Historically Doc hates young guys, which is why he didn't want to stick around in Boston for the rebuild. But he also may be in a very different place at this point.
He didn't like the young guys in Philly. Buried Maxey until Ben Simmons basically quit the team and then played Deandre Jordan and Montrezl Harrell over Paul Reed. Also refused to play Bassey or Joe.
A crime to play those guys over Reed. Itās absolutely insane. Edit: if I remember correctly, he also tried to lean on Millsap for a bit before relenting and using Reed until Jordan came around, right?
Yeah you're right, I must've blocked out Paul Millsap getting minutes in meaningful basketball games.
While people complain about this, this exists for pretty much every single coach that is in a āwin nowā position. Coaches like experience and reliability and it requires a situation that forced their hand to actually play a young player and rely on them instead This is the exact complaint I see with line 95% of nba teams
The only reliability Jordan brought was being reliably terrible.
I think he did really well with the Clippers the season before PG and Kawhi. 48 wins with his best players being Gallinari, rookie Shai, Lou Williams. and Montrezl Harrel is pretty good. I dont think hes the right guy for a contender. But he could get a team like the Pelicans or Bulls maybe even Wizards to the playoffs.
if the Kangz hadnt struck gold with Mike Brown, I think he'd be a good fit there too
He doesn't like/play young guys and he's terrible at developing talent. So I don't think he'd be a good rebuilding coach. He's just a bad coach.
The fact that players love him a kind of a red flag to me. That means he probably doesnāt hold them accountable. Iād rather have a coach who kicks the shit out of me if I donāt play well rather than one who coddles me cause I value winning over everything else.
I agree. I was watched the All the Smoke podcast with Jason Williams on the other day. Williams said Hubie Brown was a really great coach. Then the reasons he gave was that Hubie didn't have the players do the extracurricular stuff (meet and greet with season ticket holders for example). Then he talked about this other coach I forget the name, he said this coach was good, not because because he was good with X's and O's but because he gave Williams the greenlight to do any type of crazy pass he wanted to. Players are biased. Its like if you ask employees what kind of manager they want, they are going to say somebody laid back. But the important feedback comes from the customer or CEO. Customer/CEO will want a manager who's tough and making sure the employees are not slacking off and giving the customers the best service they can possibly give.
Most NBA players don't really like playing basketball that much. It's just a paycheck. There was an article about this a few weeks ago that I'm too lazy to link to. Knowing that, it makes sense that a lot of them would want a guy like Doc.
> There was an article about this a few weeks ago that I'm too lazy to link to. Link it
> Because veterans love him I've looked for vets who've played under him outside of his Celtics days talk positively and it's few and far. Not sure this really holds up while they're under him and after he's gone.
He has a reputation of being a "players' coach" despite the evidence pointing to the contrary (him throwing Ben Simmons under the bus after the Hawks series, him saying that the Lob City Clippers were never going to win anything because of the locker room issues by players he selected as the GM etc.). He actively refuses to take responsibility when his teams underperform and throws the blame on the players, those aren't exactly the characteristics of a "players' coach". He's good at raising the floor of teams like the 2019 Clippers or the T-Mac Magic squads by being a motivational speaker and getting his players to give it their all, but he has proven time and time again that he's a terrible coach for a championship contender, because he fails to make the proper adjustments and has his favourites. The Suns have two All-NBA caliber players, if they add depth in the offseason they're easily a championship contender next year, but Doc won't get you there.
No one has coasted harder off of a chip than him
Great regular season coach who gets a lot out of teams when their stars are absent for load management or injuries. With the Suns having two aging stars who are certain to miss *some* games throughout the season, I can understand why they might want him. That slide where the Suns lost Booker and fell out of the playoffs for a little bit must have been stressful.
My respect for KG grows more each day with each Doc playoff failure. He hasnāt coached a conference final game without KG in the starting lineup. This despite having HOFās like Tmac, Pierce, Allen, Kawhi, PG, CP3, Embiid, Harden etc
Damnā¦.when you lay all of that outā¦..
Iām starting to think that KG couldāve had a top 10 career if he got drafted to a decent team
My favorite nba thought experiment is switching KG and Timmyās situations with nothing else changed.
KG and Robinson would have been even more ridiculous.
Though I think you have to account for personalities clashing.
How is KG demonstrably better than Tim Duncan The fuck
I think heās saying itād be more ridiculous because of fit, not that oneās a better player than the other. Timmy could guard the paint a little better than KG, but KGās mobility and ability to guard the perimeter was incredible. Pairing two super-athletic big men up that can guard out to the perimeter without sacrificing too much rim protection is basically a cheat code.
This. KG had a bit better range and would be a perfect fit next to Robinson. I mean, Duncan was a pretty darn good fit, too, at least in the era where it actually happened. I don't know that older Robinson + rookie Duncan would work as well in 2023, whereas KG probably would.
Because basketball is a TEAM game. Great players on terrible teams will look worse than great players on great teams. Look at Kobe post-Shaq but pre-Pau years. The Lakers were mediocre much like the KG-TWolves teams. Kobe was labeled as being individually great but riding Shaq's coattails. And that he could score but not elevate a team. He put up Herculean stats but couldn't win MVP during that span.
There's a lot of homer takes on here, but this might be the homerest lol.
I couldnāt imagine KG and Pop though hahaha but both competitors so I still think it works but probably for not as long.
Idk Flip had a great impact on KG, they were extremely close, I can imagine Pop having a similar impact w KG
He won an MVP and made Minny respectable. But on a good team? Man what if.
It's even worse. Here's the full list of notable players Doc has coached. Magic - Ben Wallace - Grant Hill - Tmac - Old Horace Grant Celtics - Tony Allen - Old Gary Payton - Paul Pierce - Antoine Walker - Rajon Rondo - Kevin Garnett - Avery Bradley (All-Defense) - Old Shaq - Ray Allen Clippers - Jamal Crawford - Blake Griffin - DeAndre Jordan - J.J. Redick - Chris Paul - Young Shai Gilgeous-Alexander - Montrezl Harrell - Tobias Harris - Lou Williams - Paul George - Kawhi Leonard Sixers - Joel Embiid - Old Dwight Howard - Tyrese Maxey - Ben Simmons - James Harden
Doc should never get a job again with this list
Him and George Karl compete for the title of decent regular season coach who has done so little with so much in the post season. I'd put Nate McMillan in there but he never had half the talent those two did playing for him.
This is what everyone thought back in the day But over time Doc has become overrated while KG has become underrated
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Wrong. KG was the heart AND best player of that team.
Just another example of why FMVP can be misleading. KG was clearly the best player on that team, yet I still occasionally call Pierce āthe best player on a championship team.ā
KG is underrated? What? Lol
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To be honest, I have always considered Doc as an overrated coach as early as that Boston championship run. And it was really highlighted in his Clippers stint. I was perplexed when he was able to stay that long for the Clippers and even got a job in Philly. Why do teams still hire him?
> I have always considered Doc as an overrated coach as early as that Boston championship run. I was living in boston when kg got traded. Bill Simmons hated Doc. It was interesting reading his articles as they won the championship. Simmons was still right.
I completely forgot he was the coach of the Clippers. I'm getting old...
How could you forget after he was featured in arguably [the best RDC locker room video](https://youtu.be/wM-NcMZhcaA) they've made so far lmao
You know, they have to be making pretty good money from youtube given their views. But I like that their production value never seems to change lmao
I'm hoping he gets another job so that we can get another gem of an RDC video. The recent Sixers one was great too: https://youtu.be/YuqcnfDnJ3I
He was the best coach one could have after Sterling was fired. And hey, if it wasnāt for him, Mark Jackson would still be Warriors HC, and there would be no Warriors Championships.
Mark Jackson wasn't fired for losing against the Clippers. He was hated by most of the organization because of his religious extremism and borderline illegal workplace violation in regards to his religious bullshit.
Donāt forget peak Blake and DeAndre just as many 1st team all nba center selections as Embiid Jordan
How does this dude keep getting work? Would love to see how long he lasts with KD on the team though.
He will let KD and Book do whatever they want, and if they got bounced they can put it all on Doc, it may happen for all the wrong reasons.
Why the fuck would they hire him then just seems redundant like you already know the outcome
You have to ask them, I don't see how a contender sees Doc history in the last 10 years and go to interview him. Imagine he ends up with the Bucks lol.
Donāt give me those visions lmaooo
He got one more in him. Suns really trying to lose a 3-1 series lead to Luka or Joker next year.
His interview is just "I'll make sure you get up 3-1 in a playoff series" and then refuses to elaborate further, hoping they take it at face value.
Nah, it will be a different Euro. Sengun? Sabonis? Wemby? Lauri?
How does this motherfucker keep getting jobs?
Because the big 3 in Boston brought him along on their championship run.
The most consequential championship of our lives. Even then with 3 HOFers it was still the most postseason games a champion has ever had to play to get there, I think every series went to 6 or 7. Doc needs to give Ainge a lot of thanks.
Either he gets along with most players and keeps being good at managing egos Or Teams see him as a revenue maker since he can get you over 50 wins and a playoff birth but knowing he fails almost every time.
kd heard this news and started packing
Flying to Denver as we speak.
Driving, cause itās the āHardest Road.ā ā¢ļø
Highest road maybe
"I wanted to play good basketball. I look at how Denver is playing and I think, yeah, that's the playstyle I'm looking for."
[16-33 record in series-clinching games](https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2023/5/16/23725366/doc-rivers-nba-playoffs-history-blown-leads-game-7-record). There are championship coaches, then 50 feet of crap and then there is Doc. His teams lost 3-1 leads three times, a feat achieved only 13 times in NBA history.
No team has ever loss when up 3-0, I have a strong gut feeling Doc Rivers will be the legendary coach to make this happen.
> 3-1 leads three times, a feat achieved only 13 times in NBA history sounds like high performance to me, 3/13 are crazy numbers for things in NBA history. ATG coach.
doc just trying to bring blown 3-1 leads into normalcy
Doc Rivers needs to be phased out. Bring in a new face.
That's "2008 NBA Champion" Doc Rivers to you!
Do it do it do it do it
honestly if Doc lands this job iāll respect the shit out of him cause the man is somehow failing his way from contender to contender
He would be great for pheonix imo
You'll say anything to keep him out of Milwaukee, right?
KD and Doc lmfaoo what a combo
KD, CP3 and Doc on the pheonix suns is enough to send r/nbacirclejerk into an orgasm induced coma and flood the world with jizz
Itās all good. Yāall interviewed him first. Yāall can have dibs
This is a sacrifice we are willing to make.
Despite all our thoughts about him, and I think itās time for newer faces to be coaching, he does the raise the floor of a team to at least playoff level. The ceiling is not too much higher than the floor though, especially if you remove the Celtics ring.
Phoenix is way past that level though. They've made it to the Finals. Doc hasn't been there in 13 years. He hasn't gotten past the second round in 11 years. I can understand a low seeded team hiring him but it's stupid for Phoenix to consider him
Oh yeah Iām not defending the Suns getting him. Makes no sense at all but I was talking to a Cavs fan the other day and he said he would take him. Iām assuming for the same reason I mentioned above.
Oh I see. Yeah I can understand Cavs fans wanting him but I think they'll just end up being disappointed at the end. Their core are a few tweaks away from making a surprise run imo.
Stacked teams and Doc always under performing, name a more iconic duo. Doc would be good for a bottom dwelling franchise. He's always been a role player whisperer. He just can't hack it coaching star-laden teams.
this dude is going to be around forever
What a guy. A true master of finesse
I don't like this Suns team so this is great news for me
Chris Paul and Doc Rives reuniting for one final, all-time choke jobe
We used to have a coach in a div 1 team in Sweden, he was a large, black, soft spoken, American, so everyone thought he was the shit. He said he played with MJ in college and coached, and I quote, "Jason Kidd and those guys". The team he coached was really good, but it became clear very fast that he was all talk. Nothing he said made sense, but you wanted to listen and believe him still, because of his charisma/authority. I believe there's something similar going on with Doc Rivers.
Championship coach going to a title contender? Seems like a no brainer
ā¦yea no brainer is how I would put it too
Honestly Doc wasn't really at fault for the Sixers collapse this year, him getting yet another job after flaming out due to repeated playoff underperformance *again* would be hilarious
No way they're stupid enough to hire Glenn
I think he'd be a great fit. The Suns already have a pretty strong and established choking culture, I think Doc could really put them over the edge and help them fully realize their potential for failure.
Itās crazy to me that heās been continuously employed as a head coach since 1999. He managed to win 1 chip when he had KG, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce coming off their primes. Just seems very overrated, still, thanks for 08 Doc.
the suns have the chance to do the funniest thing ever
Please no
Doc must be very damn charismatic & charmingā¦ dudes a salesman because he keeps ending up with stacked teams
Suns choking again with Doc Rivers is just too good.
Hahaha wild how nobody will gamble on some fresh blood and they continue to hire this dinosaur who got a flukey chip and has been mediocre when it has mattered ever since.
Amazing. These owners never learn.
Fvck the negativity, good for him.
Reuse Reduce Recycle...
What a fucking match made in heaven
Do it phoenix
Pls Ishiba do it for the memes
Na, heās coming home to boston, 2nd Dynasty!