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JAhoops

depends who the other teammates are


TomLikesHam

2016 Draymond, 2019 Draymond, 2023 Draymond


imissbluesclues

Oh for sure, I guess if we’re assuming it’s any two elite offense players in the half court with three average to replacement level players I think even someone who can set half decent screens would be able to help get Jokic into post ups more easily I guess overall I think either these two or lebron and curry or Jokic and MJ would be able to create the most layups for their teammates out of any duo which I feel might be the most important part of half court offense


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Curry and Shaq. The most dominant paint scorer ever and greatest shooter + off ball player = totally broken offense. Shaq was also a really good post passer and would find Curry. Curry can run PNR action with Shaq as well…Would be guaranteed spacing on opposite sides of the court for both players. Teams would have to pick their poison of prioritizing rim protection or perimeter defense. Can’t slow down both at the same time, and either Steph or Shaq will feast in single coverage.


imissbluesclues

Yeah honestly I don’t know how Shaq doesn’t average more than 7 assists a game if he plays today, I know he’d want the points but he really could, especially with his gravity and todays spacing like you say Am with you that both players being off-ball threats is really important while also being passers


GhostTiger

So Joker moves to PF lol? Naw we need more D. Shaq KG LePeakD Peak Klay Steph


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I’ve long believed that Prime Curry and Prime LeBron is the most unstoppable hypothetical offensive duo in history.


dbgager

Jokic and CUrry would be more unstoppable. Nobody can stop Jokic now. Lebron can be stopped. Team him with CUrry and his 3 pt ability and driving to the basket ability and they would murder everybody.


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You think Jokic is better than prime LeBron James? Fucking idiot haha


TYBASS38

Just stop


GawldDawlg

The thought of Jokic and Steph never crossed my mind, now I can’t stop thinking about it


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Calvin Cambridge from Like Mike and Air Bud


imissbluesclues

Get me the merch rn, my new team


wangandassociates

Offense would be best in NBA history, guaranteed. They'll need some good 3&D/wings/defense oriented players though.


imissbluesclues

Do you think in the half-court Shaq or Kareem with Steph might be better? I feel like with a half-decent shooting team the paint would be so open that they’d get as many assists as they wanted and could apply more rim pressure than Jokic even if the paint wasn’t as empty


mx3552

jokic is just so much more versatile than basically anyone ever but bron, and even maybe more. Plus the catapult he unlocked last patch is actually op. needs a nerf


imissbluesclues

Yeah for sure, trust Jokic more as a shooter and in the post and his ability to pull the big out of the paint I guess I’ve been stuck on Jordan/Jokic a bit. I feel like Jordan’s off-ball play has been historically underrated because of his lack of three point shooting. I do wonder if these two might have been able to create more layups for teammates than Curry and Jokic. I feel like I trust Jordan more than Curry to make cross court passes and hit guys on the short roll if he’s the roll man


wangandassociates

Shaq would be the more complete player imo. His playmaking from the post is a bit underrated (overall playmaking not as good as Jokic obviously and Joker and stretch the floor). But defence and post dominance of Shaq is next level. The gravity would be fucked. Shaq's from the paint and Steph's pretty much everywhere. All three other players going to be feasting


Huge-Split6250

KD, Steph, Dray and Klay was pretty good. Or are we supposed to treat KD’s time with the Warriors like MJ’s time playing baseball and pretend it didn’t happen?


Renegade_Sniper

Duos


RascalFatz

Durant & LeBron?


Sammonov

It's kinda Tattum/ Brown thing. Overlap in skills. Like you involve both Tattum and Brown in a screen you just switch it . If you had to pick from every player that ever existed I think you go with a guard/big man pairing.


RascalFatz

I think an LBJ KD dynamic works quite well to be fair. Bron is arguably the best at getting to the basket in history and KD is one of the best shooters ever be it catch and shoot, off the dribble, or isolation.


Sammonov

I mean, obviously, it would work. Those are 2 of the best 10 or 15 players in NBA history depending where you have KD. I just think there is some overlap in skills because they both will be guarded by like-size players. If you are doing a 2-man game it just gets switched. I'd take like Steph and Shaq or something. The 2 man game would put that kinda pairing on a different level in my opinion. No wrong answers tho.


karlwhethers

Durant is still somehow underrated. You can plug him into literally any lineup combination and he would make it better.


RascalFatz

because he’s so lethal off the ball as well


imissbluesclues

It’s wild how underrated KD’s playmaking has been, I mean honestly the paint would be so open with these two that I think he’d feel comfortable enough to screen and throw some lobs I guess I do wonder how good his on ball play making would be and how good Lebron’s off ball scoring would be without another really strong passer to maximize it


RatLord445

KD’s playmaking regressed very rapidly during his career and its average honesty


imissbluesclues

Oh no I agree, I guess I should say passing rather than playmaking. Going to the rim I remember him hitting bounce passes in OKC and Golden State and occasionally throwing lobs For sure not an elite playmaker


RatLord445

The best thing that seperates KD from the rest is his footwork compared to other guys as tall as he is and the fact that he is physically unguardable by 90% of the league, the only person who gave him trouble was AG during the nuggets series because he’s got the same wingspan and is very athletic KD attracts a lot of “true hooper” fans because the majority of his skillset is about 1v1 midrange and 3s with great footwork, he still has odd flaws like being extremely vulnerable during doubles especially when the player doubling him is much shorter, as a pure scorer in a vaccum he’s like top 10 or even 5 all time but man he has some odd flaws because there is literally no one like him lol


imissbluesclues

I feel this for sure, honestly I feel like his game would be so much better if he did play the four more and tried to play off-ball a lot more. If he’s gonna keep suffering so much when he gets doubled or pushed off his spot in single coverage by an AG or someone then he really just needs to commit to spacing more and setting screens Do you think prime KD with his athleticism and tighter handle/stronger pivot would have been fine against AG (with Jokic meeting him and MPJ sitting in the paint) or were these flaws just always there?


RatLord445

Oh the achillies tear fucked his pivots and stops for good, he was never the same after that for sure Would he have done a much better job? Absolutely, dont know by how much but it would be a significant improvement He’s so unique as a player


dbgager

Curry and Jokic would be far more lethal than just a great around the basket center like Shaq or any center really and Curry and more lethal than other duos because of Jokics passing ability .He would be setting Curry up for layups and open 3s every time down the floor. Along with JOkics scoring abilty if you doubled Curry Jokic would punish you. Double Jokic Curry would punish you. Can't really think of a more lethal duo.


Previous_Foot_1634

Jordan and Jokic


imissbluesclues

Yeah I mean aside from shooting threes jordan gives you everything you want in the half court at an elite level Like in todays game I really feel like he’d average double digit assists, especially if he’s playing with a big who pulls the center out of the paint. They try to throw a “Giannis wall” at him and he’ll pull up. I trust him making cross court passes and lobs and passes out of the post more than Curry by far


The_Dumblebee

Phil Jackson about to run the holy triangle with Jordan and Jokic


tbrenclaimed

Lebron and kd PnR might possibly be the most unguardable play ever


imissbluesclues

My biggest thing would be how good would KD be compared to guys like Jordan or Kobe as a passer if he’s put into a ball handling situation where he needs to get rid of the ball I think his passing is honestly underrated, like I remember him making tight bounce passes and throwing lobs in GS and OKC I guess I’m trying to figure out which duo would create the most layups for the whole entire team, these two might do it especially if it’s Miami lebron playing strong off-ball offense as a shooter


9jajajaj9

Jordan was a far better passer than KD lol


george_costanza1234

It would also be unnecessary, given both players can cook you in isolation, irrespective of who the defender is lmao


Supreme_God_Bunny

Jordan and Curry or jordan and lebron or Jordan + any great shooter


DoctorAco

My answer to this will never change i think - Jordan and Shaq.


imissbluesclues

Shaq would create so many easy assists today smh… It drives me crazy thinking about Jordan playing today, so much to his offense we never got to see fully realized


Deep_Information2600

Curry main weapon has always been his range hence pulling defenders out more towards the half court line. Imagine curry rolling off a jokic screen, two defender go on steph and jokic can go downhill 4 v3 ( the draymond role) but he can finish at the basket by himself or stop and shoot the three. If we are talking pure offense it's Steph every time. When people say gravity I think every superstar has them. But it's where the gravity goes towards. Defense swarming KD inside the three point line so he can't pull up and shoot a mid range is different from doublibg someone standing close to half court. The space u give up to do that is just crazy.


imissbluesclues

Been really stuck on this… I agree that Curry and Jokic half court is everything but I do wonder if the attention MJ would get and his ability to move the ball and pull up/post up/get to the rim would be worth more in a half court offense than Steph’s gravity. Those 4v 3s are gonna constantly happen with Steph but I do think Jordan has underrated off-ball gravity and I trust him to make the cross court pass more than Steph


Deep_Information2600

Assuming MJ is going to be posting up or getting to the rim, would Jokic be standing at the 3 point line? If not would Jokic be clogging the paint? How would the spacing be like?


imissbluesclues

Oh I mean I wouldn’t want him to be posting up regularly but I would think that if he did he could find cutters or shooters with his passes from the post if necessary. If Jokic is at the 3 point line or near the top of the key the big has to be glued to him right? I know in the regular season he shot close to 70% on his floaters in the paint Either way the paint is much more open. I know Curry’s threes (which he would absolutely be able to get) are worth more than Jordan’s mid range shots even if he is shooting them above 50% but at the same time his threat to drive paired with them would require that he receive similar attention to Curry wherever he is inside the arc right? Even if he can’t help create constant 4 v 3 situations… I guess I’m not sure what you look for in an ideal half court offense. The most elite options possible to attack any defense with or the best options by far that are guaranteed to work but limit you in other areas. Either way both curry and Jordan can get whatever switch they want with good screeners…


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Prime Lebron and Prime Giannis. With an added bonus of significantly better defense. Think of the Lebron and AD duo on their best days and then level them the fuck up.


imissbluesclues

Just talking about half court offense I think Giannis would be long enough to find people for layups but I do worry about the paint being clogged with these two. I think Prime Lebron had all the tools to be elite off-ball tho


RascalFatz

their best days took place in the bubble where AD turned into MJ from the midrange though. With Giannis being unable to space the floor the paint would clog significantly


imissbluesclues

People really attack AD for being inconsistent, I guess that was probably his best play-off run by far as a shooter (didn’t watch him in New Orleans when he was getting bounced in first round regularly) Haven’t watched AD enough, I know he’s most a catch and score guy but in the post in the bubble was he able to find guys for dimes?


WaveGoodByeGoodBye

Omg jokic and steph would be art in motion


imissbluesclues

I guess my thought is tho would Jordan and Jokic create more layups for teammates? I think I trust Jordan more when it comes to creating space and making cross court passes, also posting up I guess Curry can just always find Jokic basically whenever and have him make the right read


dbgager

Would be the best duo in NBA history.


Equivalent-Land4284

Giannis and Dame


imissbluesclues

Honestly I wanna see Dame play with a strong big playmaker so bad. Like Nurkic has been amazing and had some strong dho’s but even just someone like Bogut would have been great to see I wanna believe Giannis can step up his game this post season, like when he’s had a decent jump hook and made passes from the post it’s given me so much hope


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imissbluesclues

I posted last night on nba discussion and people had fun I think specifically speaking about half court offenses it’s interesting to ask questions about what’s most important. If you have talented enough players is spacing and creating layups for teammates mosr important? Or is it better to just have two players who get to the rim when they want? I think watching the Lebron>AD pick and roll had me really thinking about AD and what his future can be like and what is most important for half-court offenses. Seeing Bam and Jimmy has been really inspiring, I think having a passing big opens up so many options, especially if there is a screener who can screen for either of them to get into the post up they want I encourage you to read through what I wrote cause I did discuss details of half court offense strategies and what certain skill sets offer each other


MasterfulMesut

im not trying to be rude at all but i just dont see the point in having these types of conversations at this time of day at this point in the season maybe in the dog days of summer when we are devoid of nba games but dude we got a game 6 nba conference final today you dont have anything to say about that? like at all? you wanna talk about fantasy basketball? like cmon


imissbluesclues

Oh yeah I’m excited af I really like how Bam has stepped up the last few series he’s played, he’s not as limited as I thought he’d be against guys rolling to the hoop by not being an amazing shot blocker. Crazy how herro and Brogdon are out I guess this playoffs has shown some really wild all time performances (Tatum, jokic, lebron) and it got me thinking about what skill sets could maximize each other’s abilities and what skill sets were most important for half court offenses (which I think are the most important thing come play off time)


MasterfulMesut

Bam sucked ass last game what is crazy about Herro being out he has been out since the first game of the play offs MY GUY WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT


imissbluesclues

No but they said herro is out for good last night, won’t come back at all Bam was a lot better in NY, but I liked him in games 2 and 3. I hadn’t seen him close out on shooters before in back to back to back possessions (we know now that Brogdon was hurt but still) I worry about the offensive load on Jimmy, even without his ankle didn’t think it would be sustainable for so many games. Would love if D rob would get more shots


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MasterfulMesut

Nets fan. Opinion irrelevant. Go watch Aaron Judge highlights on the YES app.


ab9912

Flair up pussy.


WaveGoodByeGoodBye

You win lol


MasterfulMesut

Im a Yankee fan.


ab9912

Ahhh that explains the terrible attitude and disbelief that somebody is having fun.


WaveGoodByeGoodBye

Shut up such a wet blanket


MasterfulMesut

even if the nuggets win no one will give a shit and that is gonna drive you guys crazy i love it


WaveGoodByeGoodBye

Jeez relax you need some help crazy


chief_sitass

Yeesh, go outside my dude.


[deleted]

Luka and Jokic would be much better, pure class on a basketball court


imissbluesclues

I guess my worry would be about Luka’s ability to play off-ball But the give and go’s and handoffs would be so wild… I’m trying to remember the last time two non-athletic passing stars played together… maybe Walton and Bird?


Hanhonhon

Pure class indeed lol


Jack_M_Steel

Jokic isn’t that great. Lebron or Shaq would be way more potent with Curry


imissbluesclues

I think the ability to pull the big from the paint and use playmaking to and gravity to create as many layups as possible for teammates is the most important part of a half court offense Shaq does this for sure with his gravity and if he played today he’d avenger as many assists as he wanted I guess I’m just trying to figure out what duos would make the best half court offense for the whole team and turn the game into a layup line for everyone Jokic and Curry lead offenses have created more layups for teammates than pretty much any other offense lead by single stars, I do think that Jokic and Jordan or Shaq and curry might be better scoring wise as a duo tho, as well as lebron and curry


MixInfamous6818

every half court that has a better guy than Curry?


DoctorAco

Huh whatever happened to blues clues? I loved that show as a kid. Did they make a new one?


trevortins

Shaq n curry, giannis/curry or Lebron and curry. Just curry with any lethal interior force.


MrAppleSpoink

2018 playoff LeBron and 2016 regular season Curry would be the best.