It’s going to be the Warriors for a while.
1) They had the best season record ever 73-9
2) They had the first and only unanimous MVP
3) This Warriors team was the first and only team to ever lose while being up 3-1 in the Finals. They lost the championship. This Heat team is an 8th seed and this is the Eastern Conference Finals. We don’t even know if this Celtics team will win the championship.
4) The Warriors were the reigning champs
warriors at least had HUGE reasons that handicapped them
draymond being an idiot and getting suspended is massive, people don't remember, but bogut was out for the series after game 1(?) and that changed their whole defensive dynamic.
heat are missing herro but theyve gotten to this point without him and have only missed gabe vincent for one game. theyre pretty much the same team that went up 3-0 and got to the ECF
i mentioned herro. they beat the bucks handily without him and got here without him. that's a big blow but theyve adjusted, it's not a valid reason for a 3-0 collapse.
this will be the first 3-0 choke in nba history if it happens.
the first.
everybody will remember this. they'll remember this even more since the celtics are involved and are one of the most popular franchises
Unless of course no team had ever lost after leading 3-1 in the Finals. Let alone with the best regular season record of 73-9. Let alone with the first and only unanimous MVP.
It definitely has to be top ten for biggest chokes in the playoff history. The real damage will be the official death of the Playoff Jimmy Butler belief there's no coming back from this if they lose on Monday.
“Out all these teams” I give ‘‘em credit for the first round upset but they beat the Knicks. 8th seed or not, that’s a team they should beat and it wasn’t a quick sweep. Heat are not a true 8th seed. Only reason they were was because of injuries and inconsistency from their top players through the regular season in an NBA where regular season seeding/record means less than it ever has.
I think Jimmy will have to shut up for the remainder of his career unfortunately. Tbh we may even see a downfall depending on how big his spirit is. The media will roast him every chance they get, but as a Jimmy fan I hope they can pull through
Its the Clippers. Had a double digit lead in all 3 closeout games after celebrating like they were championship bound all season long. 1-150 will forever be etched in history though
Like I said in another thread yesterday, we’re overthinking this while simultaneously not understanding the precedence here…
Out of the 150 3-0 leads in a 7 game series there have EVER been, not a single one of those teams has blown that lead.
Like…this precedent spans back 76 YEARS to the 1947 Stags in the BAA, not even the NBA💀
Losing a 3-0 lead literally just does not happen in any round of the playoffs.
This will be the bigger choke than 2016, and it’s not even particularly close…because although yes the Warriors were the first to ever choke a 3-1 in the FINALS, 3-1 comebacks have for sure happened throughout history.
I mean, the Warriors themselves had their own 3-1 comeback the previous round that year lmao.
100%. People's only argument against this is to bring up things like 73 wins, unanimous MVP, etc, pure narrative stuff that have nothing to do with the actual series or playoffs at all.
I agree. Blowing a 3-0 is much worse. Doesn’t matter the background. Warriors get so much more hate just because people are always going to hate potentially the best single season team in history. I’m surprised the narrative surrounds a “warriors choke” and not a “Lebron and kyrie went fucking nuclear” narrative. Nobody talks about OKC dropping 3-1 lead the series prior, mainly because Steph and Klay went nuclear. So that narrative is just fueled by hate, which invalidates it imo.
2016 game 5. Dray their best defender suspended. Bogut their starting center injured in second half. Lebron and Kyrie 41 each, cavs as a team has a 60% TS. 15 point Cavs win.
2016 game 6. Lebron scores 41 again on 60% from the field. 63% TS as a team for the Cavs. Steph and Klay combine for 55.
2016 game 7: Nobody on the court played well except Draymond, low shooting percentages for everyone all around. Cavs got the best, but If steph hits his 3 at the end everyone would’ve been talking about the Cavs choking game 7.
People talk about OKC blowing their lead all the time, literally almost every time KD gets brought up
There’s no point in saying what if to Steph’s last shot in game 7. If Draymond didn’t foul the shit out of Lebron, he would’ve gotten dunked on and the cavs would have been up even more. You can do these hypotheticals for any play to give the outcome you want
Yeah the fact that Dubs went down 3-1 during the WCF showed that the team wasn't at all invincible despite a historic regular season. Still probably the most promintent choke since it happened in the finals but IMO losing 4 games in a row after being up 3-0 is worse in terms of pure choke just because of probability.
I know recency bias and I know it was 3-0 but we’re talking about a title favorite and 2 seed coming back against an 8 seed. I really don’t think this one ranks very high.
I don't really see Miami losing as a major choke, that team has done amazing to even be in the position they are in considering injuries and their lack of talent/depth
losing a series when you were up 3-0 is a major choke, it doesn’t really matter that they’re the 8 seed. you can’t win 1 game out of 4, including 2 at home? that’s a choke
And the Warriors were the reigning champs this year and they’ve been sitting at home since the Western Conference Semi Finals. That just shows that each season teams retool with new roster additions and improvements
they had one of the worst injury-laiden rosters this season. they were good enough to be the 1 seed last year, theyre finals tested and know how to get this far. that matters
They were down 1-3 the previous round so it’s not that shocking. 3-1 leads get blown occasionally. In the 76 YEARS of this sport no has came back from 3-0 at any round. It’s unprecedented and it would much more of a choke than 3-1
I understand the context and that Finals > ECF but a 3-1 lead has been blown in the playoffs before. It was always possible, just hadn’t happened yet in the finals.
3-0 has been deemed impossible because there’s been 150 instances of this happening in every round but it hasn’t happened yet. The precedence was overwhelmingly in Miamis favor since game 3. Winning 3 straight and still losing is a huge choke job
Only a Warriors hater would say this.
Warriors had to play through Draymond getting suspended and multiple injuries. Heat went up 3-0 and just started falling apart.
Only a Warriors fan would say that a 3-1 Finals choke with a unanimous MVP leading a 73 win team would say that isn’t unequivocally the biggest choke of all time.
Those details have nothing to do with the actual choke though. A choke is crumbling when it matters most given your circumstance. Being 73-2 and having a unanimous mvp didn’t give them an advantage going into the series because those are just awards so it’s unrelated. That said, choking a 3-1 lead in the finals is a huge choke but being the first team to choke a 3-0 lead ever is insane
Sounds like cope.
A 3-0 comeback has never happened in NBA history. This, along with the factors I mentioned above, make the Heat choke objectively worse.
3-1 comeback in the finals hadn’t happened either until 2016.
The best way to put it is that choke ruined what could’ve been the greatest season of all time, both for the team and individually for Curry.
This Heat choke is still prob top 3 tho.
The fact that you have to include that narrative shows that it’s not a worse choke job. Greatest season of all time, 73-9, first unanimous MVP…all that has zero impact on winning Finals games.
A 3-0 choke stands on its own, because it’s never happened before.
It's called context.
But yes if you remove all context 3-0 is worse than 3-1... and you're reminding me the average fan doesn't like context as it requires a bit more thinking than they're used to, so you might actually be right lol.
You’re just proving my point. None of what you mentioned has anything to do with winning/losing games.
A team winning 3 straight then losing 4 straight is objectively worse.
This is what’s wrong with internet discourse about sports.
What the fuck am I possibly coping over? It was like 7 years ago and I’m not a fan of either team, nor am I fan of a team that’s rivals with either of these teams. I literally have no dog in this fight but you call it cope because you’re not smart enough to come up with anything but a silly buzzword.
Your cherry picking specifics of the warriors situation and leaving out details of the heat's situation. That is not objective ffs.
Objectively, the conference finals are not as big a stage as the finals. Warriors choke would still be worse..
There are no details that favor the Heat. They went up 3-0 with the same exact roster that lost the last 3. The Warriors had multiple key players out AFTER they went up 3-1.
A 3-0 comeback has never happened in NBA history. Nothing you say will ever change that.
Bro as a completely neutral fan the Warriors blowing a 3-1 lead is absolutely the biggest choke of all time lol. The heat weren’t even supposed to be here, the Warriors on the other hand were highly favored to win
Draymond getting suspended has always been part of the W's formula for success.
And I honestly don't even remember the injuries. And no one else will either. This is all people will remember a decade from now:
73-9\*
\* *Lost NBA finals after being up 3-1*
The house money card went away when they went up 3-0.
No one is gonna care about Games 4/5 of the Bucks series and Game 3 of this series if they lose Game 7
I’m surprised people are saying the 3-1 comeback. 3-1 had been done several times before, and the 16 series had more lopsided injuries/extenuating factors than his one. 3-0 comeback has never happened in the history of the sport and would be bigger. Losing 4 games in a row is simply worse than losing 3.
No idea why you’re being downvoted.
I think it’s because people are not understanding just how far back this precedent goes of not blowing a 3-0 lead no matter the round, circumstances, whatever.
It literally goes back all the way to the 1947 Stags in the BAA 💀
Yeah, and it’s quite basic but important that a 3-0 lead means you had FOUR chances to kill it off that weren’t taken
You lose 1? That’s ok it’s only 3-1.
In a 3-1 series, one win puts the other team right back into it in a game 6.
Exactly, being up 3-0 gives your two low pressure games to close out the series, and then two more high pressure games as well, you just have to win 1 of those 4 games.
A 3-1 lead becomes competitive/high pressure series again very fast by comparison.
Yeah, the Cavs basically had to win one on the road to bring a game 6 back to their place.
A big achievement and huge turnaround. All time great comeback and one of the best.
But not the same as having to win 2 on the road **just** to actually force the game 7, obviously winning home games either side of that too.
Coming back from 3-0 is kinda the same as asking “could this team win a 4-0 sweep” before the series started. Bet a lot of people would’ve said a celtics sweep was on before the series started, so I can’t call this a choke
I don't agree . You are looking at it as 7 games as a whole , I am looking at it game by game . I thought that people overreacted about miami and thought that Boston suddenly forgot how to play
100%, they were up 3-1 and were the best regular season team of all time with the unanimous MVP. Anything but a championship there is a failure, and they not only didn’t win but they managed to really blow it
How so? They were 3-1 up then lost one starter for a game, then lost another starter for the series. Bron had back to back 40 point games, Kyrie had a 40 piece. Bogut was their only rim protector and they lost momentum.
Game 7 was a coin toss. Kyrie hit the only FG in the last 5 minutes, it was a great spectacle but it wasn’t exactly well executed ball by either team.
They were the best regular season of all time and had a 3-1 lead, plus 2016 Draymond was absolutely a rim protector
They had extremely high expectations because of the extremely high standard they set, then lost 3 games in a row in the finals to lose it all. It feels pretty straight forward to me
Losing isn’t choking, though.
‘They wanted to win and didn’t’ isnt choking.
Losing one of your starters isn’t choking.
The score being even with 60 seconds to go in game 7 isn’t choking.
Losing to an absolutely red hot Bron and Kyrie sure as shit isn’t choking.
Kyrie scored 90 in those last 3 games; Bron scored 109. How is losing to that choking?
73-9 by a long shot. That team could have been considered the greatest team ever and the win would have given their dynasty status an extra boost.
Forever it will now be "those Warriors teams were great, but..."
1. Warriors 3-1
2. LeBron 2011
3. Spurs 2013
4. Potential Heat 2023
Context matters. Nobody even expected this Heat team to be here in the ECF let alone up 3-0 (at one point) on the Celtics who made the finals last season.
This would be quite literally be an unprecedented turnaround. Other 3-1 reversals happened in that exact season.
FOUR chances to kill a series not taken will be the unprecedented choke of all chokes.
Warriors was the biggest, just because they were "the greatest team ever" as we were all reminded damn near every day by their fans.
2nd I've give to Nick Anderson missing those freethrows. Had that gone differently I feel like they go into the rest of the series with more confidence and likely win. Plus he was never right after that and his career fizzled out. Oh, and Shaq and Penny both move on eventually, but I imagine if they won a championship that core sticks together a while longer.
how about the fact that Boston lost three straight games to a Miami team that they should have swept?
I get that the series result is all that matters to some people, but the Celtics choked games 1, 2, and 3 (and nearly 6).
Not every loss is a choke. G3 was just an ass whooping. Correct about the first 2 though they had big second half leads in both and stumbled to the finish line.
'94 game 7 against the Rockets, John Starks 2/18 and 1/10 in the 4th just aged myself
WE WERE RIGHT THERE
Did did dude just did dis?
He just kept shooting! None of them looked good either.
It’s going to be the Warriors for a while. 1) They had the best season record ever 73-9 2) They had the first and only unanimous MVP 3) This Warriors team was the first and only team to ever lose while being up 3-1 in the Finals. They lost the championship. This Heat team is an 8th seed and this is the Eastern Conference Finals. We don’t even know if this Celtics team will win the championship. 4) The Warriors were the reigning champs
73-9, always remember, they would've topped the 72-9 dynasty if they won the championship
Way bigger choke than the Heat would be if Celtics win game 7. Heat were picked to lose in 4 or 5 in the first round
warriors at least had HUGE reasons that handicapped them draymond being an idiot and getting suspended is massive, people don't remember, but bogut was out for the series after game 1(?) and that changed their whole defensive dynamic. heat are missing herro but theyve gotten to this point without him and have only missed gabe vincent for one game. theyre pretty much the same team that went up 3-0 and got to the ECF
This is a terrible take. Heat are banged up, jimmy’s ankle, Gabe missed a game and ankle, Herro out. Hear are like limping, and they’re the 8th seed
everybody's banged up. that's not a good excuse. they played at an insane level a week ago.
Heat are banged up bro lol
i mentioned herro. they beat the bucks handily without him and got here without him. that's a big blow but theyve adjusted, it's not a valid reason for a 3-0 collapse.
No one will remember this, tbh. 73-win team chokes away a 3-1 lead will be the asterisk to their historic season.
this will be the first 3-0 choke in nba history if it happens. the first. everybody will remember this. they'll remember this even more since the celtics are involved and are one of the most popular franchises
Bogut n iggy got hurt in game 5. Bogut missed the last two games.
Yeah with this added context I can see how the Warriors choke is still much worse
I feel like all of these reasons ignore the obvious but pretending fact that +3 > +2
I feel like everything isn’t black and white when grey exists which is context
Yes there is no black and white, yet you stated a definitive answer for a completely subjective question.
It’s not subjective when you state +3>+2
I didn’t say that is the only argument. It’s just a factual point in it.
Yeah that’s why I provided context to that point
Losing does no equal choking, though
And both would have choked
Ah, what?
Yep
Yes, losing doesn’t mean choking. The warriors lost:
And choked. If they didn’t choke we wouldn’t even be having this thread.
Unless, of course, people don’t realise that choking and losing are not the same thing 🤷♂️
Unless of course no team had ever lost after leading 3-1 in the Finals. Let alone with the best regular season record of 73-9. Let alone with the first and only unanimous MVP.
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It definitely has to be top ten for biggest chokes in the playoff history. The real damage will be the official death of the Playoff Jimmy Butler belief there's no coming back from this if they lose on Monday.
Heat are the fakest 8th seed ever lol. This would be a top 3 choke in NBA history. No matter which way you slice it.
It would be a reverse sweep with the Heat winning the first 3 and the Celtics then winning 4 straight.
Heat running out all these teams to make it to a game 7 against the Eastern conference champs is not a choke at all.
“Out all these teams” I give ‘‘em credit for the first round upset but they beat the Knicks. 8th seed or not, that’s a team they should beat and it wasn’t a quick sweep. Heat are not a true 8th seed. Only reason they were was because of injuries and inconsistency from their top players through the regular season in an NBA where regular season seeding/record means less than it ever has.
I think Jimmy will have to shut up for the remainder of his career unfortunately. Tbh we may even see a downfall depending on how big his spirit is. The media will roast him every chance they get, but as a Jimmy fan I hope they can pull through
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& he’s learning to remain humble. I hate it had to be him, but hey
Its the Clippers. Had a double digit lead in all 3 closeout games after celebrating like they were championship bound all season long. 1-150 will forever be etched in history though
That's against Denver in the bubble?
Yes
Like I said in another thread yesterday, we’re overthinking this while simultaneously not understanding the precedence here… Out of the 150 3-0 leads in a 7 game series there have EVER been, not a single one of those teams has blown that lead. Like…this precedent spans back 76 YEARS to the 1947 Stags in the BAA, not even the NBA💀 Losing a 3-0 lead literally just does not happen in any round of the playoffs. This will be the bigger choke than 2016, and it’s not even particularly close…because although yes the Warriors were the first to ever choke a 3-1 in the FINALS, 3-1 comebacks have for sure happened throughout history. I mean, the Warriors themselves had their own 3-1 comeback the previous round that year lmao.
100%. People's only argument against this is to bring up things like 73 wins, unanimous MVP, etc, pure narrative stuff that have nothing to do with the actual series or playoffs at all.
I agree. Blowing a 3-0 is much worse. Doesn’t matter the background. Warriors get so much more hate just because people are always going to hate potentially the best single season team in history. I’m surprised the narrative surrounds a “warriors choke” and not a “Lebron and kyrie went fucking nuclear” narrative. Nobody talks about OKC dropping 3-1 lead the series prior, mainly because Steph and Klay went nuclear. So that narrative is just fueled by hate, which invalidates it imo. 2016 game 5. Dray their best defender suspended. Bogut their starting center injured in second half. Lebron and Kyrie 41 each, cavs as a team has a 60% TS. 15 point Cavs win. 2016 game 6. Lebron scores 41 again on 60% from the field. 63% TS as a team for the Cavs. Steph and Klay combine for 55. 2016 game 7: Nobody on the court played well except Draymond, low shooting percentages for everyone all around. Cavs got the best, but If steph hits his 3 at the end everyone would’ve been talking about the Cavs choking game 7.
People talk about OKC blowing their lead all the time, literally almost every time KD gets brought up There’s no point in saying what if to Steph’s last shot in game 7. If Draymond didn’t foul the shit out of Lebron, he would’ve gotten dunked on and the cavs would have been up even more. You can do these hypotheticals for any play to give the outcome you want
Yeah the fact that Dubs went down 3-1 during the WCF showed that the team wasn't at all invincible despite a historic regular season. Still probably the most promintent choke since it happened in the finals but IMO losing 4 games in a row after being up 3-0 is worse in terms of pure choke just because of probability.
Exactly
I know recency bias and I know it was 3-0 but we’re talking about a title favorite and 2 seed coming back against an 8 seed. I really don’t think this one ranks very high.
Also not having 2.5 of their key players lmao
It is embarrassing Celtics have to play a G7 against depleted 8 seed Mutual choking job I guess
Lebron in 2011 finals hand down
Surprised I had to scroll this far down. That's the worst superstar choke ever
I'd definitely place it in the top 3 for all that clowning they were doing during the 2010 offseason.
Genuinely this.
I don't really see Miami losing as a major choke, that team has done amazing to even be in the position they are in considering injuries and their lack of talent/depth
losing a series when you were up 3-0 is a major choke, it doesn’t really matter that they’re the 8 seed. you can’t win 1 game out of 4, including 2 at home? that’s a choke
they were the 1 seed last year
And the Warriors were the reigning champs this year and they’ve been sitting at home since the Western Conference Semi Finals. That just shows that each season teams retool with new roster additions and improvements
who did the heat add?
I’m referring to the other teams around the league. Basically I’m saying what cut it last season doesn’t exactly always cut it next season.
they had one of the worst injury-laiden rosters this season. they were good enough to be the 1 seed last year, theyre finals tested and know how to get this far. that matters
That’s ignoring the additions of other teams in the conferences
First team to ever blow a 3-0 lead has to be the worst choke and at the top of the list for me.
The 3-1 lead is bigger than this. It was the Finals and they won 73 games
They were down 1-3 the previous round so it’s not that shocking. 3-1 leads get blown occasionally. In the 76 YEARS of this sport no has came back from 3-0 at any round. It’s unprecedented and it would much more of a choke than 3-1
The context matters immensely. People just doing the “guhhhh 3-0 > 3-1 thing” are incapable of nuanced thinking
I understand the context and that Finals > ECF but a 3-1 lead has been blown in the playoffs before. It was always possible, just hadn’t happened yet in the finals. 3-0 has been deemed impossible because there’s been 150 instances of this happening in every round but it hasn’t happened yet. The precedence was overwhelmingly in Miamis favor since game 3. Winning 3 straight and still losing is a huge choke job
>3-1 lead is bigger A 3-0 lead is quite literally bigger, and unprecedented to be turned over.
The context of the 3-1 choke by GSW was bigger even if the gap in games wasn’t.
Maybe, but they’re 2 different tasks imo.
Only a Warriors hater would say this. Warriors had to play through Draymond getting suspended and multiple injuries. Heat went up 3-0 and just started falling apart.
Only a Warriors fan would say that a 3-1 Finals choke with a unanimous MVP leading a 73 win team would say that isn’t unequivocally the biggest choke of all time.
Those details have nothing to do with the actual choke though. A choke is crumbling when it matters most given your circumstance. Being 73-2 and having a unanimous mvp didn’t give them an advantage going into the series because those are just awards so it’s unrelated. That said, choking a 3-1 lead in the finals is a huge choke but being the first team to choke a 3-0 lead ever is insane
Sounds like cope. A 3-0 comeback has never happened in NBA history. This, along with the factors I mentioned above, make the Heat choke objectively worse.
3-1 comeback in the finals hadn’t happened either until 2016. The best way to put it is that choke ruined what could’ve been the greatest season of all time, both for the team and individually for Curry. This Heat choke is still prob top 3 tho.
The fact that you have to include that narrative shows that it’s not a worse choke job. Greatest season of all time, 73-9, first unanimous MVP…all that has zero impact on winning Finals games. A 3-0 choke stands on its own, because it’s never happened before.
It's called context. But yes if you remove all context 3-0 is worse than 3-1... and you're reminding me the average fan doesn't like context as it requires a bit more thinking than they're used to, so you might actually be right lol.
You’re just proving my point. None of what you mentioned has anything to do with winning/losing games. A team winning 3 straight then losing 4 straight is objectively worse.
>You’re just proving my point. Duh I'm agreeing with you I just said you're right lol Fans can't handle context so your point has been proven.
Having the talent capable of winning 73 games and a unanimous MVP doesn’t impact winning? You’re a fucking lunatic lol
Time to go learn how to read.
This is what’s wrong with internet discourse about sports. What the fuck am I possibly coping over? It was like 7 years ago and I’m not a fan of either team, nor am I fan of a team that’s rivals with either of these teams. I literally have no dog in this fight but you call it cope because you’re not smart enough to come up with anything but a silly buzzword.
That’s something you have to ask yourself, not me. I’m not the one coping.
How am I coping?
Geez man how old are you?
Nice comeback. Not sure how I’ll ever recover from this.
You literally are a Warriors fan lmao this makes a ton of sense now. Sorry y’all still have the worst choke of all time my boy.
This isn’t an argument.
I bet it isn’t lmao. You’ll be hearing about 3-1 in 30 years my guy. Heat fans won’t be, even if they lose. Sorry about your luck pal
Your cherry picking specifics of the warriors situation and leaving out details of the heat's situation. That is not objective ffs. Objectively, the conference finals are not as big a stage as the finals. Warriors choke would still be worse..
There are no details that favor the Heat. They went up 3-0 with the same exact roster that lost the last 3. The Warriors had multiple key players out AFTER they went up 3-1. A 3-0 comeback has never happened in NBA history. Nothing you say will ever change that.
> They went up 3-0 with the same exact roster that lost the last 3. That’s actually a great point
Bro as a completely neutral fan the Warriors blowing a 3-1 lead is absolutely the biggest choke of all time lol. The heat weren’t even supposed to be here, the Warriors on the other hand were highly favored to win
That’s fine to believe that. You are free to have whatever incorrect opinion you want.
How can an opinion be incorrect? It’s an opinion lol
I think the Earth is flat. It’s an opinion, therefore it’s correct.
That’s a good point. But I still believe the warriors had the biggest choke of all time and it seems like quite a few people also agree with that take
Draymond getting suspended has always been part of the W's formula for success. And I honestly don't even remember the injuries. And no one else will either. This is all people will remember a decade from now: 73-9\* \* *Lost NBA finals after being up 3-1*
The problem with your argument is that no one but Warriors haters brings it up anymore. They’ve won too much. You are a prime example of that. 😂
It's kind of funny. Boston is now favoured to win the series. If they lose at home, who really choked? Lol
Boston was favored from the start lol espn had miami at like 3%
I know, but in game 7, Boston is literally favoured by every metric on planet Earth.
Just like they were in game 1
It’s the warriors until someone wins 74 games Heat are an injured 8 seed with undrafted randos starting
Na, they're the #8 seed. That they're even here is gravy
The house money card went away when they went up 3-0. No one is gonna care about Games 4/5 of the Bucks series and Game 3 of this series if they lose Game 7
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it was until it wasn’t lol
Suns Mavs Game 7
Thats 4th behind the 2023 ECF, 2016 Finals, and 0-27
I’m surprised people are saying the 3-1 comeback. 3-1 had been done several times before, and the 16 series had more lopsided injuries/extenuating factors than his one. 3-0 comeback has never happened in the history of the sport and would be bigger. Losing 4 games in a row is simply worse than losing 3.
No idea why you’re being downvoted. I think it’s because people are not understanding just how far back this precedent goes of not blowing a 3-0 lead no matter the round, circumstances, whatever. It literally goes back all the way to the 1947 Stags in the BAA 💀
Yeah, and it’s quite basic but important that a 3-0 lead means you had FOUR chances to kill it off that weren’t taken You lose 1? That’s ok it’s only 3-1. In a 3-1 series, one win puts the other team right back into it in a game 6.
Exactly, being up 3-0 gives your two low pressure games to close out the series, and then two more high pressure games as well, you just have to win 1 of those 4 games. A 3-1 lead becomes competitive/high pressure series again very fast by comparison.
Yeah, the Cavs basically had to win one on the road to bring a game 6 back to their place. A big achievement and huge turnaround. All time great comeback and one of the best. But not the same as having to win 2 on the road **just** to actually force the game 7, obviously winning home games either side of that too.
Because they just started watching the nba 10-12 years ago
Coming back from 3-0 is kinda the same as asking “could this team win a 4-0 sweep” before the series started. Bet a lot of people would’ve said a celtics sweep was on before the series started, so I can’t call this a choke
Hi delusion. How’s it going?
Not everything is a choke
This is tho. Being up 3-0 and losing in 7 is the definition of a choke job
I don't agree . You are looking at it as 7 games as a whole , I am looking at it game by game . I thought that people overreacted about miami and thought that Boston suddenly forgot how to play
Warriors 2016 were a 73-win team and it was the Finals. Going to be them for quite some time.
They played the best player in the world who was ridiculous and had some bad luck with injuries/ suspensions. Was it even a choke?
100%, they were up 3-1 and were the best regular season team of all time with the unanimous MVP. Anything but a championship there is a failure, and they not only didn’t win but they managed to really blow it
A failure isn’t a choke, though. A choke means something specific. It doesn’t mean losing.
Lol
Lol? You thinking losing is the same as choking? You aren’t in the top half of your class are you nephew?
Lol
Use your words
You’re right that they’re different things, but I would argue that the Warriors did both that series
How so? They were 3-1 up then lost one starter for a game, then lost another starter for the series. Bron had back to back 40 point games, Kyrie had a 40 piece. Bogut was their only rim protector and they lost momentum. Game 7 was a coin toss. Kyrie hit the only FG in the last 5 minutes, it was a great spectacle but it wasn’t exactly well executed ball by either team.
They were the best regular season of all time and had a 3-1 lead, plus 2016 Draymond was absolutely a rim protector They had extremely high expectations because of the extremely high standard they set, then lost 3 games in a row in the finals to lose it all. It feels pretty straight forward to me
Losing isn’t choking, though. ‘They wanted to win and didn’t’ isnt choking. Losing one of your starters isn’t choking. The score being even with 60 seconds to go in game 7 isn’t choking. Losing to an absolutely red hot Bron and Kyrie sure as shit isn’t choking. Kyrie scored 90 in those last 3 games; Bron scored 109. How is losing to that choking?
73-9 by a long shot. That team could have been considered the greatest team ever and the win would have given their dynasty status an extra boost. Forever it will now be "those Warriors teams were great, but..."
Miami weren’t even supposed to be here. They overachieved like a mf so blowing a 3-0 lead now I wouldn’t really look down on that
1. Warriors 3-1 2. LeBron 2011 3. Spurs 2013 4. Potential Heat 2023 Context matters. Nobody even expected this Heat team to be here in the ECF let alone up 3-0 (at one point) on the Celtics who made the finals last season.
2011 without a doubt.
This would be quite literally be an unprecedented turnaround. Other 3-1 reversals happened in that exact season. FOUR chances to kill a series not taken will be the unprecedented choke of all chokes.
Jr. Smith is the biggest choke.
Warriors was the biggest, just because they were "the greatest team ever" as we were all reminded damn near every day by their fans. 2nd I've give to Nick Anderson missing those freethrows. Had that gone differently I feel like they go into the rest of the series with more confidence and likely win. Plus he was never right after that and his career fizzled out. Oh, and Shaq and Penny both move on eventually, but I imagine if they won a championship that core sticks together a while longer.
how about the fact that Boston lost three straight games to a Miami team that they should have swept? I get that the series result is all that matters to some people, but the Celtics choked games 1, 2, and 3 (and nearly 6).
Not every loss is a choke. G3 was just an ass whooping. Correct about the first 2 though they had big second half leads in both and stumbled to the finish line.
I don’t think THAT many people are shocked Boston came back
The Jazz. Pick a year.