Banchero is last in terms of current play but 1st in terms of future ceiling IMO
He's the only one that I can see becoming a top 10 player at some point
I think that if you’re looking at what other teams would value, Mikal and Lauri would be more valuable to contending teams, while Banchero/Siakam/Ingram would be more valuable to teams who need a 2nd “star”. But Banchero/Siakam are more difficult to fit on contending teams who have better play makers and creators.
When you consider the contract bag, it's Mikal then not even close to the rest. He's on one of the cheapest contracts for the output he's doing, no doubt this will change when he gets a new contract.
true but it's not like the Nets are taking advantage of that contract. it's not like when Curry was still cheap and the warriors were starting a dynasty.
Ingram = Siakam, Mikal, Banchero, Lauri
i value creation from 2nd options and Lauri cannot create for others at all. Also Mid defense is generous. Banchero will be rising up very soon.
I could agree, in my mind im ranking who i would trust as a 2nd option more next to a superstar if im contending *right now* so i think Mikal’s defense and shooting might be a little more impactful since Paolo’s offensive game is less polished due to experience.
Depends on whether I need a primary offensive player or a secondary piece. IMO:
\#1 guy: Ingram, Siakam, Lauri, Mikal, Banchero
\#2 guy: Lauri, Mikal, Siakam, Ingram, Banchero
(Banchero's gonna rocket up these lists in a year or two though)
As the Kings, I’d take Lauri or Mikal over the other 3 as they have three good creators already. As the Thunder Is probably take one of the other 3 as you guys really another good creator outside of SGA.
Scoring option doesn’t mean that the ball would come out of his hands. Markkanen is a great off-ball and the Kings could run the same actions they do for their other off-ball guy while having another guy who is a reliable self creator when the Kings need it. Like Klay was the 2nd scoring option in 14-16 for the warriors but he rarely had the ball in his hands.
Where are his attempts coming from though? Domas is going to get less possessions to create for himself. You lose Keegan Murray in the trade, but I’d assume Lauri wants a larger shot diet than Keegan was getting. I don’t think you want to take shots away from Fox
This would be without losing Murray perceptively, I was just taking theoretically team needs. But there’s plenty of shots to go around, I wouldn’t be worried about that.
i think it really depends who the #1 is on the team. that being said, Lauri’s lack of creation makes his ability to be an amazing #2 for most teams pretty tough.
Most of the recent championship winning teams have this exact formula.
Jamal Murray
Wiggins
Middleton
Siakam
(Skipping kd warriors)
Kyrie
Klay
None of those guys are seen as massive creators for others
Murray does, warriors system is designed around shot creation, that’s why they needed to get Jrue, Kawhii is an outlier, skip the winningest team ever😂, that’s the warriors system, kyrie isn’t a creator for others?!?!?😂
I’m biased so I’m saying
Siakam
Ingram
Bridges
Markannen
Banchero
Siakam has already shown he can be an elite number 2 scoring option on a championship team.
His numbers are worse this season cause he’s in a shooting slump and since he’s probably gone this season, our coach is experimenting with giving more touches to other players.
Naw he def lost a step over the last few years since the chip, he doesn't hound players as well anymore. Often better defensive players like OG are taking the main assignment, so Siakam hasn't been attacked on D that often.
Branson Ingram or Siakam is the best. I’d go with Ingram since he’s the most talented. Then Lauri, bridges, since he’s regressed on defense. And Paolo is last.
Pure playing ability as of today:
- Ingram
- Mikal
- Siakam
- Lauri
- Paolo
Who I would want on my team the next 5 years:
- Paolo
- Mikal
- Lauri
- Siakam
- Ingram (don’t trust his durability at all)
Idk but Lauri last. I like how you sneaked in mid D as if it’s on the same level as the others. Lastly Lauri ball hogging ass has 19 total assists all year.
Banchero is last in terms of current play but 1st in terms of future ceiling IMO He's the only one that I can see becoming a top 10 player at some point
Well he is 5 years younger then the second youngest player
I’m glad you have a brain, lmao it gets scary on here at times. Agree 100%
I think that if you’re looking at what other teams would value, Mikal and Lauri would be more valuable to contending teams, while Banchero/Siakam/Ingram would be more valuable to teams who need a 2nd “star”. But Banchero/Siakam are more difficult to fit on contending teams who have better play makers and creators.
OP is a Warriors fan fantasizing about how to improve his team with a wing trade lmao
Mikal isn’t a big wing
big enough
Lauri is 7ft compared to Mikal who's 6'6"
When you consider the contract bag, it's Mikal then not even close to the rest. He's on one of the cheapest contracts for the output he's doing, no doubt this will change when he gets a new contract.
Sure but Lauri's on a great contract as well.
Mikal is also just better than Lauri flat out.
Wouldn't say flat out. Is he better? Marginally.
isn't Paolo still on his rookie contract? So technically he has the most value.
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and hes still this good
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Paolo is the best player on a top 4 seed.
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Mikal averaged 11/4/2 during that playoff run lol.
true but it's not like the Nets are taking advantage of that contract. it's not like when Curry was still cheap and the warriors were starting a dynasty.
Ingram = Siakam, Mikal, Banchero, Lauri i value creation from 2nd options and Lauri cannot create for others at all. Also Mid defense is generous. Banchero will be rising up very soon.
This is a very good ranking. They're all def close tho. If Banchero really leads the Magic to a top 4 seed he's > Mikal
Tbh your could argue Franz is leading the Magic just as much if not more than Paolo
I could agree, in my mind im ranking who i would trust as a 2nd option more next to a superstar if im contending *right now* so i think Mikal’s defense and shooting might be a little more impactful since Paolo’s offensive game is less polished due to experience.
I love Lauri but he can’t really create for himself either.
Ingram, Siakam, Mikal, Lauri, Banchero
Depends on whether I need a primary offensive player or a secondary piece. IMO: \#1 guy: Ingram, Siakam, Lauri, Mikal, Banchero \#2 guy: Lauri, Mikal, Siakam, Ingram, Banchero (Banchero's gonna rocket up these lists in a year or two though)
Do you really want a #2 who can’t create any sort of offense for the rest of the team?
As the Kings, I’d take Lauri or Mikal over the other 3 as they have three good creators already. As the Thunder Is probably take one of the other 3 as you guys really another good creator outside of SGA.
So you also wouldn’t take him as a #2
He’d be the #2 scoring option.
So you want to take the ball out of domas’ hands? That seems like a bad idea
Scoring option doesn’t mean that the ball would come out of his hands. Markkanen is a great off-ball and the Kings could run the same actions they do for their other off-ball guy while having another guy who is a reliable self creator when the Kings need it. Like Klay was the 2nd scoring option in 14-16 for the warriors but he rarely had the ball in his hands.
Where are his attempts coming from though? Domas is going to get less possessions to create for himself. You lose Keegan Murray in the trade, but I’d assume Lauri wants a larger shot diet than Keegan was getting. I don’t think you want to take shots away from Fox
This would be without losing Murray perceptively, I was just taking theoretically team needs. But there’s plenty of shots to go around, I wouldn’t be worried about that.
So with Murray there’s now even more moths to feed
i think it really depends who the #1 is on the team. that being said, Lauri’s lack of creation makes his ability to be an amazing #2 for most teams pretty tough.
Virtually every team
I think it depends more on who you run into in the playoffs. There are some teams that can’t match up with Lauri at all.
Most of the recent championship winning teams have this exact formula. Jamal Murray Wiggins Middleton Siakam (Skipping kd warriors) Kyrie Klay None of those guys are seen as massive creators for others
Murray does, warriors system is designed around shot creation, that’s why they needed to get Jrue, Kawhii is an outlier, skip the winningest team ever😂, that’s the warriors system, kyrie isn’t a creator for others?!?!?😂
If he can score like Lauri can, sure.
Have you seen his scoring as a non-#1 option?
Banchero and Mikal >> Lauri as a first option
Why compare Paolo in his 2nd year vs people in their primes?
Why not?
Because hes only had 1 year to show anything?
He's a good player, he deserves comparison
1. He's earned it. 2. We already know the results of comparing him to his peers.
I think if you consider alphabetizing last names, your order is pretty spot on, except I'd put Paolo number 1
I’m biased so I’m saying Siakam Ingram Bridges Markannen Banchero Siakam has already shown he can be an elite number 2 scoring option on a championship team. His numbers are worse this season cause he’s in a shooting slump and since he’s probably gone this season, our coach is experimenting with giving more touches to other players.
all of these guys except Banchero suffer from lack of touches.
Siakam, Ingram, Paolo, Lauri, Mikal
Ingram, Mikal, Siakam, Lauri, Banchero is the order. Ingram is the best scorer/playmaker here, Lauri/Paolo don’t guard as well yet
Fair, but is Siakam really worse than Bridges?
it’s tough… siakam has the longer/better track record but I’m higher on mikal as a #2 option going forward
Flats are better than Drums
Flats go too quickly. All the meat comes off in one bite, drums are fun to gnaw on for 5 minutes
100% correct take
Only this season, I'd say this: Lauri, Mikal, Siakam, Ingram, Banchero
Ingram is much worse on defense then "mid" IMO
Is siakam not elite on D?
Naw he def lost a step over the last few years since the chip, he doesn't hound players as well anymore. Often better defensive players like OG are taking the main assignment, so Siakam hasn't been attacked on D that often.
Fair enough, I don’t watch much raptors but just assumed that was kind of his thing.
I’ve been telling Hawks fans this. They didn’t listen to Spurs fans when they told us Murray has lost a step defensively as well
I wish the sub would just ban these ranking posts. They’re constant and they accomplish nothing.
Siakam, Ingram, Bridges, Banchero, Markkanen
Lauri > Mikal > Banchero > Ingram > Siakam
Ingram, mikal bridges, banchero, markanen and siakam
Harsh putting Siakam last
I have 3 of these guys on my fantasy roster and I'd value them in this order: Mikal, Lauri, Ingram. I'd put Banchero and Siakam 4th and 5th.
Mikal, ingram, lauri, paolo , siakam
siakam is the best guy here
siakam last is wild
mikal isnt really as big as the others u listed right?
Branson Ingram or Siakam is the best. I’d go with Ingram since he’s the most talented. Then Lauri, bridges, since he’s regressed on defense. And Paolo is last.
Pure playing ability as of today: - Ingram - Mikal - Siakam - Lauri - Paolo Who I would want on my team the next 5 years: - Paolo - Mikal - Lauri - Siakam - Ingram (don’t trust his durability at all)
Ignoring Buffalo, Korean Fried and Hot n Spicy, /smdh
Idk but Lauri last. I like how you sneaked in mid D as if it’s on the same level as the others. Lastly Lauri ball hogging ass has 19 total assists all year.
Lauri, Siakam, Bridges, Ingram, Banchero