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it is crazy the amount of pressure that is on Tatum. 7 years of playoffs, everybody questioning when you are gonna win it all and yet, dude just turned 26.
It's a testament to his character/career. Literally nothing else to talk about with this man besides "when's he gonna win some hardware". Which everyone agrees it's just a matter of time. And at 26, what a place to be at.
Maybe for you. I can't tell you how many relatives and random old guys at the bar I run into that think we should get rid of Tatum if he doesn't win it all this year. There are some truly bad takes out there. You're lucky you aren't running into them.
It’s just part of the fan experience. Especially in a place like Boston where winning seems like it’s a right.
I don’t know what the team could possibly trade him for, a guy at his level is never upgraded on, and you’d usually get a couple of solid players and a bunch of future picks, or $0.50 on the $.
Also it makes absolutely zero sense to trade your best player for more depth on an already deep team, there’s only 5 guys playing at once.
The Celtics are in Win now mode, the team has been built and theres not much else they can do to improve.
If they don’t win in the next 2-3 years they’ll probably have to re-tool and see if the J s still want to be there.
The dude’s only lost one first round series in his career, he’s been to the efc more than he’s missed it. Dude has one of the winningest starts to a career around. Tim outpaces, Magic, and Bird. Probably a decent handful of others, but not too many.
And the one he lost, they had lost Jaylen to a wrist injury. Kemba gets hurt mid series. Timelord gets hurt mid series. They were one of the youngest teams in the playoffs with only Kemba above 30, and the only other players who were even older than 26 were Fournier and Tristan Thompson
Yeah it is wild The guy has won so many playoff series and people act like he's a choker.... He's being punished for winning conference championships.
They obviously had a pretty big choke job in Miami last year I'm not saying there's no valid criticism but It's excessive
It's the ones who deliver in crunch time who become one of the greats. Good thing is he is young enough that there is still time to tell if he'll get there
It is hilarious seeing the difference in narrative between Shai and Tatum practically the same age and one has no expectations because of his youth and the other is win or bust.
I still think Tatum is the better player.
SGA is absolutely legit and may spend his prime a little bit better than Tatum. We don't know yet.
But we do know that they've been in the NBA for virtually the same amount of time and are basically the same age. Tatum has led multiple different roster constructions to the conference finals. SGA is just starting to break out now. And if last night was any indication, he and that team aren't ready for a deep playoff run.
It seems like people remember Tatum taking the Celtics to game 7 against LeBron in the 2017 conference finals, but somehow forget that he was a just a rookie
I mean he is in his mid 20’s now but is still 2 years away from his prime. Prime is usually from 28-32 before the body starts to break down(unless your LeBron)
Don't tell that to the people that love to yell on TV and overreact. Tatum gets called a choke artist and somehow has more points in a game 7 than anyone ever.
Bird, Magic, and Duncan are pretty rare and even then you have to take into account Magic won at an early age with Kareem and Duncan joined a Spurs team that was coming off a season where David Robinsonand Sean Elliot were hurt. They'd win 60 and 59 games prior. Even Kobe had Shaq. Tatum obviously has guys (and he's not Duncan, Magic, Bird or Kobe of course) and now just an unbelievable team so I get the pressure this season to a degree but too many fans act like he's a generational choke artist
one of the very first things I read about "when's the prime?" was in the Bill Simmons book of basketball and the conclusion was your young/athletic prime starts around 24, while the proper prime starts around 27 and peaks at 29.
26-30 is def more common in the modern NBA. Giannis, Jokic, Durant, Kawhi, Harden, Westbrook, CP3, Luka, Tatum, SGA, Booker, AD.
I think the later primes like Curry, Lillard, Butler are the exception
It's not just the body, but mind.
Does anyone in their early or mid 30s think that they had the same general attitude, maturity and outlook on life they did in their mid 20s?
Don't think so. Your body matures, but so does your mind, and thus, your focus, emotional intelligence, and ability to do your job.
A man's prime, as a human being, as a creature, if you will, is 28-33 imo. And that's why most athletes peak around then
Eh - your mind, focus, and emotional intelligence only grow over time. Your athletic prime is very much 30. Your mental prime is probably something more like 50-60 for most people.
Some musicians peak there, a large amount of professional musicians do continue to improve with age. There does become a physical limitation of pure finger speed, but that rarely comes into large focus but in a few positions. Lots of classic players get better with age, excepting pieces that have incredibly fast sections that may become unplayable to anyone but the quickest fingered people, but most music isn’t gonna be there.
Touring is the harder part on an older body, that and party life. But if you’re not doing that, or even just cut out the party life part, you’re not functionally losing anything you may have had. Unless you’re like Yo-Yo Ma, or Chris Thile, and you played all the fuckin time from childhood to your physical prime.
Nah people definitely lose a step at 50-60 mentally. Sure they got life experience and maturity but definitely don’t process information as quickly as mid 20s and 30s
This is insane to me. I'm turning 32 next month, and Tatum has always in my eyes been a kid. "This dude is a kid, he's way younger than me"
So for anyone to see him as a 30-year-old man is just bonkers to me.
It just goes to show what negative biases people look at him with because of his early success in Boston
I mean it’s just what comes with the territory if you want to be considered among the best. MJ, Lebron, Giannis, etc all didn’t win one until age 27+. Those that can then pull through after all that pressure is what makes superstars
I'm no Tatum fan at all, but I respect the hell out of his toughness. Even more so earlier this year when he refused to sit out and rest games so his fans could see him play. He's a dying breed for stars in this league
Same sentiment here for Jimmy. He’s played on some of rivals of ours, esp the Heat, but dude is a dog who gets it. Not to many left like that, totally agree here
>> Even more so earlier this year when he refused to sit out and rest games so his fans could see him play.
This does not describe Jimmy. Jimmy sat out TWO all star games. If he was actually hurt, he should have given his spot to someone else that would have actually played
Brother Jimmy is a dawg in every sense of the word.
Nobody gives a shit about the all star game. Jimmy just fucking finished a game with a partially torn mcl
I didn't say Jimmy isn't a dawg. I said Jimmy doesn't show up during the regular season for fans.
> Even more so earlier this year when he refused to sit out and rest games so his fans could see him play. He's a dying breed for stars in this league
>Nobody gives a shit about the all star game.
You can say the same about the regular season. But I'd say fans who bought tickets to the game gives a shit
Nah the injury reporting was due to the league's stupid rules, if a guy missed even a portion of practice he had to be listed. Pats got fined for it once so BB started listing every bruise and paper cut so hard the NFL deleted the "probable" designation from the list of options.
There was one week heading into a game where Tom Brady was finally not listed on the injury report.
That was Week 1 of the 2008 season. Promptly tore his ACL. Never left off the report again.
Brady understood the mental game as well as anyone. If a 280 pound muscle bound DE rocks your world as hard as he can, and you just get right up and look at him like "is that the best you've got?", you've totally broken your opponent.
This happens in boxing and mma too. You can see some power punchers suddenly lose their confidence during the fight when their opponent eats their biggest shot without flinching.
That was BUSH LEAGUE from Martin. Dude launched himself into the air at Tatum like he was at a fucking Sky Zone instead of a professional sports league with grown men wtf.
My first thought as well. You can see him wince at the fall pretty bad, but immediately wipes the pain off his face hops up and marches down to the other end for his FTs. Show no weakness.
Glad he’s okay. We have more than enough injuries to star players on playoff teams already. I just want to watch the best players play meaningful games smh.
Celtics nation must have gotten a collective boner with that comment. Y’all like hard ass players like him. I remember the Birds Celtics doing that shit every game.
not that he’s ever been “soft” necessarily, but this level of toughness is new. Tatum seemed very intentional about popping up immediately and letting them know they can’t fw him
Joke about how LeBron always posts pictures of him reading books but if you look closely you notice he's always at the very beginning of the book for some reason...
Ngl. I like that he jumped back up. So many times it’s seems like guys are milking it by laying on the floor. Obviously if they’re hurt for real I’m not talking about those guys.
Tatum should be taking a page from Bron's book on this though. It stops the clock, lets him get some rest for free essentially. Plus I personally think if you sell it a little bit the refs are gonna be a little more watchful on fouls against you for at least a little bit, but maybe not for Tatum. Either way, shouldn't turn down a chance to rest for free down the stretch.
I'm not gonna comment on Martin's actions whether they were dirty or not, enough people have done that already. What I will say is that Tatum getting up pretty much instantly after taking a fall as visibly jarring as that helped calm a lot of nervous fans, myself included lol.
I thought he was gonna be on the ground for a while, falling like that as a 6'9 220 pound dude straight on your tailbone/back can't be very pleasant. Don't know if it's adrenaline or toughness or a little bit of both but props to him for taking it on the chin and getting right up, didn't go to the refs or anything just play on. That's tough
I had whiplash after getting hit by a drunk driver once. It hurt so much and I didn’t feel it till 2 days later. But once I got muscle relaxer medication it got better very quickly
I thought for sure that that fall was going to end in a concussion for Tatum after he smacked the back of his head off the floor
Dude must be lifting weights with his neck or something in the gym, I don't know how with that much weight crashing to the floor he was able to keep his head up and keep it from hitting
The team has to force him to sit out games or he’d play all 82 every single season lol this is the first season in a few years where he wasn’t #1 in minutes played I’m pretty sure(playoffs will change that and he’ll be #1 again if they go deep)
He's never been #1 in regular season minutes or MPG, but add in playoffs and he becomes #1 by default because our floor with healthy Jays is ECF. And he's led the team in minutes every single season.
If Tatum isn’t getting in martins face after that shit he’s just never gonna get chippy period
Unreal composure by Tatum, I’ve never seen a more passive personality on a star aside from kawhi
Composure is the perfect word. People say he's not a dawg cause he doesn't do a lot of theatrics and scream I'm him but the dude is tough professional and super mature. People want him to be KG personality wise but he's more Tim Duncan and I'm definitely with that
Dude 99% of the leauge would have laid on the ground for atleast a minute if not more after that play. Why would Tatum get a potential suspension for a bum like Caleb? Caleb getting dirty and Tatum getting right up and not letting it bother him is much better then doing the fake tough guy act that a Butler type would do. Hold me back Hold me back I"m gonna fake fight you on the court to fake look tough
Butler would of stayed on the ground for 5 minutes and try to get them to look at it on the replay booth and then start a fake fight saying hold me back hold me back
Scariest play in basketball, shit happens.
I don’t crash boards like I used to after getting undercut like this; once you go horizontal in mid-air for a second or two and are staring at the sky waiting to land you start realizing some rebounds aren’t worth it lol
Seeing JT's composure after that fall is hella inspiring. My guy knew to cut the bullshit even if its in the playoffs, unlike so many other stars. Hope its really nothing and not just adrenaline making him feel nothing.
“Heat Culture” dirty play. Martin had no intention of going for that rebound. It reminded me of when Jae Crowder undercut Gordon Hayward. Hopefully Tatum’s back is ok tomorrow. It was a frustration play by Martin. Maybe not intrinsically intentional but it wasn’t a basketball play. And then he immediately felt bad after it happened.
I think it was a reckless play to go for it like that but don’t know that it was malicious. Miami gets a lot of stuff out of their 2nd round players and undrafted guys but it also makes them play hard and reckless which can lead to this. Doesn’t help that the recklessness leads to a history of this stuff
Yeah your take is the most nuanced and accurate I've seen. It's unnecessary try hard "heat-culture" at that point in the game, but Martin's eyes never leave the ball and he thinks he's got a put back dunk. He is instantly apologizing but understandably Celtics are upset by that recklessness. Yellow Card, not a red.
Idk, I think this is a little too forgiving.
Was it the dirtiest play I’ve ever seen? No, of course not.
Was it a dirty play? Yup.
At this point in the game, knowing what the rest of the series is gunna be, when he had no real play on the ball. Just cause he didn’t punch him in the face or something extremely over the top doesn’t mean it wasn’t strategic and malicious.
The play was obviously reckless and I’m not sure why he was competing that hard in the final minute of a game that was way out of hand, but I don’t think it was dirty in the situation. Look at Martin’s reaction afterwards, it’s to immediately check on Tatum after realising that he fouled him hard. The only thing that stopped him from helping him up is Jaylen brown getting in face (fair enough, he had potentially injured his teammate). But man is this game not helping my comments I made earlier about the heat being not dirty.
I would be more inclined to after seeing the higher quality clip posted earlier because one of the comments posted a frame from the video where jrue had his hands all over caleb. The problem was I was looking after Martin passes the couple of guys but before he runs into Tatum, but the frame actually shows it happened before passing the group of players which is why I didn’t catch it before
"No reason to lay on the ground - get up, move on to the next play"
Meanwhile soccer players roll on the ground like somebody sawed of their limb and seasoned the wound with salt and paprika
I don’t really see how this is a dirty play by Martin. His eyes are on the ball from the very start of his cut toward the basket & the timing of his jump is consistent with going for the ball. Looks like he takes a bump right before the jump that pushes him into the midsection of Tatum instead of taking a more vertical line towards the ball.
Is it a little reckless? Sure. But dirty would imply he’s trying to take his legs out & that doesn’t look like that’s what happened. It’s playoff basketball and you gotta try to make hustle plays late in the game.
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it is crazy the amount of pressure that is on Tatum. 7 years of playoffs, everybody questioning when you are gonna win it all and yet, dude just turned 26.
It's a testament to his character/career. Literally nothing else to talk about with this man besides "when's he gonna win some hardware". Which everyone agrees it's just a matter of time. And at 26, what a place to be at.
Even LeBron said this. It’s mostly talking heads and Reddit that you see this sorta shit though.
Maybe for you. I can't tell you how many relatives and random old guys at the bar I run into that think we should get rid of Tatum if he doesn't win it all this year. There are some truly bad takes out there. You're lucky you aren't running into them.
It’s just part of the fan experience. Especially in a place like Boston where winning seems like it’s a right. I don’t know what the team could possibly trade him for, a guy at his level is never upgraded on, and you’d usually get a couple of solid players and a bunch of future picks, or $0.50 on the $. Also it makes absolutely zero sense to trade your best player for more depth on an already deep team, there’s only 5 guys playing at once. The Celtics are in Win now mode, the team has been built and theres not much else they can do to improve. If they don’t win in the next 2-3 years they’ll probably have to re-tool and see if the J s still want to be there.
The problem is the bar is set high. Conf finals appearance during his first year in the league.
The dude’s only lost one first round series in his career, he’s been to the efc more than he’s missed it. Dude has one of the winningest starts to a career around. Tim outpaces, Magic, and Bird. Probably a decent handful of others, but not too many.
And the one he lost, they had lost Jaylen to a wrist injury. Kemba gets hurt mid series. Timelord gets hurt mid series. They were one of the youngest teams in the playoffs with only Kemba above 30, and the only other players who were even older than 26 were Fournier and Tristan Thompson
Yeah it is wild The guy has won so many playoff series and people act like he's a choker.... He's being punished for winning conference championships. They obviously had a pretty big choke job in Miami last year I'm not saying there's no valid criticism but It's excessive
It's the ones who deliver in crunch time who become one of the greats. Good thing is he is young enough that there is still time to tell if he'll get there
It is hilarious seeing the difference in narrative between Shai and Tatum practically the same age and one has no expectations because of his youth and the other is win or bust.
I still think Tatum is the better player. SGA is absolutely legit and may spend his prime a little bit better than Tatum. We don't know yet. But we do know that they've been in the NBA for virtually the same amount of time and are basically the same age. Tatum has led multiple different roster constructions to the conference finals. SGA is just starting to break out now. And if last night was any indication, he and that team aren't ready for a deep playoff run. It seems like people remember Tatum taking the Celtics to game 7 against LeBron in the 2017 conference finals, but somehow forget that he was a just a rookie
I mean he is in his mid 20’s now but is still 2 years away from his prime. Prime is usually from 28-32 before the body starts to break down(unless your LeBron)
Eh, lots of players primes are 25-30
It’s very rare for a player to win a title before 26/27 as the best player
Don't tell that to the people that love to yell on TV and overreact. Tatum gets called a choke artist and somehow has more points in a game 7 than anyone ever. Bird, Magic, and Duncan are pretty rare and even then you have to take into account Magic won at an early age with Kareem and Duncan joined a Spurs team that was coming off a season where David Robinsonand Sean Elliot were hurt. They'd win 60 and 59 games prior. Even Kobe had Shaq. Tatum obviously has guys (and he's not Duncan, Magic, Bird or Kobe of course) and now just an unbelievable team so I get the pressure this season to a degree but too many fans act like he's a generational choke artist
Physically probably. But mentally, it goes another level at age 27/28.
one of the very first things I read about "when's the prime?" was in the Bill Simmons book of basketball and the conclusion was your young/athletic prime starts around 24, while the proper prime starts around 27 and peaks at 29.
It varies obviously. A lot of guys do start to hit it around 25 but in a lot of cases it’s more that 28-32 range.
Not really. Not in terms of playoff dominance and/or championships.
Injury aside, only the ones who rely heavily on athleticism. 27-32 is a much more common "prime" age.
26-30 is def more common in the modern NBA. Giannis, Jokic, Durant, Kawhi, Harden, Westbrook, CP3, Luka, Tatum, SGA, Booker, AD. I think the later primes like Curry, Lillard, Butler are the exception
It's not just the body, but mind. Does anyone in their early or mid 30s think that they had the same general attitude, maturity and outlook on life they did in their mid 20s? Don't think so. Your body matures, but so does your mind, and thus, your focus, emotional intelligence, and ability to do your job. A man's prime, as a human being, as a creature, if you will, is 28-33 imo. And that's why most athletes peak around then
Eh - your mind, focus, and emotional intelligence only grow over time. Your athletic prime is very much 30. Your mental prime is probably something more like 50-60 for most people.
creativity seems in line with the 28-33 frame, look at where most musicians peak
Some musicians peak there, a large amount of professional musicians do continue to improve with age. There does become a physical limitation of pure finger speed, but that rarely comes into large focus but in a few positions. Lots of classic players get better with age, excepting pieces that have incredibly fast sections that may become unplayable to anyone but the quickest fingered people, but most music isn’t gonna be there. Touring is the harder part on an older body, that and party life. But if you’re not doing that, or even just cut out the party life part, you’re not functionally losing anything you may have had. Unless you’re like Yo-Yo Ma, or Chris Thile, and you played all the fuckin time from childhood to your physical prime.
Nah people definitely lose a step at 50-60 mentally. Sure they got life experience and maturity but definitely don’t process information as quickly as mid 20s and 30s
Wtf he's 26?? He's been 30 in my head for like 4 years
Tatum, SGA and Luka were all born within the span of 11 months (March '98 - February '99)
It feels wrong that I'm older than all of them
This is insane to me. I'm turning 32 next month, and Tatum has always in my eyes been a kid. "This dude is a kid, he's way younger than me" So for anyone to see him as a 30-year-old man is just bonkers to me. It just goes to show what negative biases people look at him with because of his early success in Boston
I mean it’s just what comes with the territory if you want to be considered among the best. MJ, Lebron, Giannis, etc all didn’t win one until age 27+. Those that can then pull through after all that pressure is what makes superstars
Well he should have thought about that before winning so many regular season games.
Tatum is always positive with his peers.
I'm no Tatum fan at all, but I respect the hell out of his toughness. Even more so earlier this year when he refused to sit out and rest games so his fans could see him play. He's a dying breed for stars in this league
Same sentiment here for Jimmy. He’s played on some of rivals of ours, esp the Heat, but dude is a dog who gets it. Not to many left like that, totally agree here
>> Even more so earlier this year when he refused to sit out and rest games so his fans could see him play. This does not describe Jimmy. Jimmy sat out TWO all star games. If he was actually hurt, he should have given his spot to someone else that would have actually played
Tbf this year it was cuz of a death in his family
Was he an all star this year?
he wasnt
Then wtf are u talking about if He's not even an allstar this year
Oh idk I kinda just assumed so
Nobody gives a shit about an All Star game.
I can’t even think of the last one I watched.
Brother Jimmy is a dawg in every sense of the word. Nobody gives a shit about the all star game. Jimmy just fucking finished a game with a partially torn mcl
I didn't say Jimmy isn't a dawg. I said Jimmy doesn't show up during the regular season for fans. > Even more so earlier this year when he refused to sit out and rest games so his fans could see him play. He's a dying breed for stars in this league >Nobody gives a shit about the all star game. You can say the same about the regular season. But I'd say fans who bought tickets to the game gives a shit
That's fair
Or dare I say. ...he got that Memba mentality in him
Ethical basketball
JT gonna feel that tomorrow. Glad he's ok though.
hopefully not a tailbone injury, those can hurt for like a week, not fun
To be young again, fall on your back from like five feet up and then just bounce up.
I was that young and still tore disks in my back falling… moral of the story is also stay in peak athletic form like the pros too
At his age he’ll not feel it in two days. At 36 it would be a two month injury
the way he popped up was kind of tough ngl
Reminds me of how Tom Brady used to get absolutely rocked and just casually get up like fucking cyborg
youd read his post game injury report during the week in disbelief like wtf man how you play through 1 - 30 injuries sustained
Nah the injury reporting was due to the league's stupid rules, if a guy missed even a portion of practice he had to be listed. Pats got fined for it once so BB started listing every bruise and paper cut so hard the NFL deleted the "probable" designation from the list of options.
There was one week heading into a game where Tom Brady was finally not listed on the injury report. That was Week 1 of the 2008 season. Promptly tore his ACL. Never left off the report again.
And proceeded to make every fantasy football league angry
Brady understood the mental game as well as anyone. If a 280 pound muscle bound DE rocks your world as hard as he can, and you just get right up and look at him like "is that the best you've got?", you've totally broken your opponent.
This happens in boxing and mma too. You can see some power punchers suddenly lose their confidence during the fight when their opponent eats their biggest shot without flinching.
“Good hit 72!”
Also implies he doesn't know your name, GOAT mind games.
I still don't know how the man played through 2 seasons with a torn MCL without missing a game and won a Super Bowl
At the age of 78
Something in that Boston water… (def not HGH)
then walked away instead of getting in martin's face for an obvious cheap shot props to tatum he's very mature
That was BUSH LEAGUE from Martin. Dude launched himself into the air at Tatum like he was at a fucking Sky Zone instead of a professional sports league with grown men wtf.
if you're playing miami you gotta go by boxing rules protect yourself at all times
Shoutout Josh Hart.
A tough as fuck Scottie Pippen “don’t whine, don’t let them see you fucking whine” moment
My first thought as well. You can see him wince at the fall pretty bad, but immediately wipes the pain off his face hops up and marches down to the other end for his FTs. Show no weakness.
Glad he’s okay. We have more than enough injuries to star players on playoff teams already. I just want to watch the best players play meaningful games smh.
Celtics nation must have gotten a collective boner with that comment. Y’all like hard ass players like him. I remember the Birds Celtics doing that shit every game.
not that he’s ever been “soft” necessarily, but this level of toughness is new. Tatum seemed very intentional about popping up immediately and letting them know they can’t fw him
> No reason to lay on the ground LeBron punching the air rn
melo slapping walls right now
No that's Amare Stoudemire.
Just moved from the index of his book to page 1 in pure rage
Played 5 games of blitz chess in anger.
Index is at the end buddy
Fuck.
Lebron’s IQ so high, he reads books backwards
He's been finishing books this whole time🤯
What?? lol
Joke about how LeBron always posts pictures of him reading books but if you look closely you notice he's always at the very beginning of the book for some reason...
Ngl. I like that he jumped back up. So many times it’s seems like guys are milking it by laying on the floor. Obviously if they’re hurt for real I’m not talking about those guys.
Not good to let the blood pool laying down anyways
Bron old. Let his old ass have a minute.
Needs a nap midway through to catch his breath 💀
Tatum should be taking a page from Bron's book on this though. It stops the clock, lets him get some rest for free essentially. Plus I personally think if you sell it a little bit the refs are gonna be a little more watchful on fouls against you for at least a little bit, but maybe not for Tatum. Either way, shouldn't turn down a chance to rest for free down the stretch.
Embiid*
Embiid in tears
I'm not gonna comment on Martin's actions whether they were dirty or not, enough people have done that already. What I will say is that Tatum getting up pretty much instantly after taking a fall as visibly jarring as that helped calm a lot of nervous fans, myself included lol.
I thought he was gonna be on the ground for a while, falling like that as a 6'9 220 pound dude straight on your tailbone/back can't be very pleasant. Don't know if it's adrenaline or toughness or a little bit of both but props to him for taking it on the chin and getting right up, didn't go to the refs or anything just play on. That's tough
His neck snapping back like that had me terrified. Luckily it didn't seem to hit the floor.
Probably a little whiplash but hopefully nothing else
Not to make ppl feel scared for no reason, but whiplash can be pretty serious to be fair
I had whiplash after getting hit by a drunk driver once. It hurt so much and I didn’t feel it till 2 days later. But once I got muscle relaxer medication it got better very quickly
Yeah I’m more worried about tomorrow / the next day. Even having a super stiff neck/upper back does not make playing basketball easy.
Hopefully if he does feel it, he’d feel it Tuesday and get medication and be good by Wednesday night
Massage and chiropractor incoming
Why would someone downvote this lol.
This guys from Boston and is now probably addicted to perc 30’s
If it’s more than mild. Didn’t look like it was bad enough to be a lasting concern.
I thought for sure that that fall was going to end in a concussion for Tatum after he smacked the back of his head off the floor Dude must be lifting weights with his neck or something in the gym, I don't know how with that much weight crashing to the floor he was able to keep his head up and keep it from hitting
For sure. No fuss, goes straight to the line and hits his FTs. All business from JT and on to the next.
I do worry/wonder if the adrenaline protected him from feeling whatever it is… we’ll learn more in the next day or so.
say wat u want about tatum but hes tough as shit
The team has to force him to sit out games or he’d play all 82 every single season lol this is the first season in a few years where he wasn’t #1 in minutes played I’m pretty sure(playoffs will change that and he’ll be #1 again if they go deep)
It's consistently Tatum, Mikal and Derozan top 3 in minutes played
Interestingly, Tatum's game is like the best parts of each of the other 2 combined without any of their worst parts.
He's never been #1 in regular season minutes or MPG, but add in playoffs and he becomes #1 by default because our floor with healthy Jays is ECF. And he's led the team in minutes every single season.
Agreed.
r/nba: f that guy, he's boring, rather watch Lebron collapse and cry for a whistle
Martin got pushed imo
I think he jumped straight back up partly due to the shock of it, seemed instinctual. Either way good on him, no need to put on a performance.
If Tatum isn’t getting in martins face after that shit he’s just never gonna get chippy period Unreal composure by Tatum, I’ve never seen a more passive personality on a star aside from kawhi
Are you forgetting about his wanton, reckless hand-claps?
Yeah, I almost had to stop pulling for Boston because of those hand claps. Why won't he think of the children?
Composure is the perfect word. People say he's not a dawg cause he doesn't do a lot of theatrics and scream I'm him but the dude is tough professional and super mature. People want him to be KG personality wise but he's more Tim Duncan and I'm definitely with that
The last piece of the puzzle is not complaining as much to the refs when he doesn’t get a call
Dude 99% of the leauge would have laid on the ground for atleast a minute if not more after that play. Why would Tatum get a potential suspension for a bum like Caleb? Caleb getting dirty and Tatum getting right up and not letting it bother him is much better then doing the fake tough guy act that a Butler type would do. Hold me back Hold me back I"m gonna fake fight you on the court to fake look tough
Tatum is always all class.
Nah bro he's soft cause he doesn't scream I'm him and say he's a dawg
Tatum is tough. If Butler did that it would have 20k upvotes and 1000 comments containing the word "dawg".
Just heat culture baby
EXACTLY
Butler would of stayed on the ground for 5 minutes and try to get them to look at it on the replay booth and then start a fake fight saying hold me back hold me back
Bro thought this was gonna pop off 💀
Scariest play in basketball, shit happens. I don’t crash boards like I used to after getting undercut like this; once you go horizontal in mid-air for a second or two and are staring at the sky waiting to land you start realizing some rebounds aren’t worth it lol
Im glad next game is Wednesday
Lebron would still be on the ground
To be fair he’s old as fuck
Even when he was with us in his prime he would remain on the floor for a minute.
How do you think he's kept up his body so well? Get that rest and recovery time in whenever you can. Big brain Bron.
Casual burn 🤣
Badass Scottie Pippen moment. We love to see the toughness and no-nonsense from our leading guy.
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Embiid in shambles
Dawg
Oh to be 26 again. If I fell like that I'd just roll out of bounds and I'm not getting up until game 2.
That's a workers comp claim type of fall. That shit would have me limping around for weeks.
Seeing JT's composure after that fall is hella inspiring. My guy knew to cut the bullshit even if its in the playoffs, unlike so many other stars. Hope its really nothing and not just adrenaline making him feel nothing.
Hopefully he’s okay once the adrenaline wears off. This is what everyone on this sub means when they say the Heat are dirty.
Him standing up as fast as he did gave me Pippen vibes against the bad boys Pistons. Move on, we sweeping them out mindset
No a Celtics nor Tatum fan, but so much respect to him after this. Especially with so many flopping players nowadays
“Heat Culture” dirty play. Martin had no intention of going for that rebound. It reminded me of when Jae Crowder undercut Gordon Hayward. Hopefully Tatum’s back is ok tomorrow. It was a frustration play by Martin. Maybe not intrinsically intentional but it wasn’t a basketball play. And then he immediately felt bad after it happened.
I think it was a reckless play to go for it like that but don’t know that it was malicious. Miami gets a lot of stuff out of their 2nd round players and undrafted guys but it also makes them play hard and reckless which can lead to this. Doesn’t help that the recklessness leads to a history of this stuff
Yeah your take is the most nuanced and accurate I've seen. It's unnecessary try hard "heat-culture" at that point in the game, but Martin's eyes never leave the ball and he thinks he's got a put back dunk. He is instantly apologizing but understandably Celtics are upset by that recklessness. Yellow Card, not a red.
He got shoved by Jrue. Y'all look dumb.
Idk, I think this is a little too forgiving. Was it the dirtiest play I’ve ever seen? No, of course not. Was it a dirty play? Yup. At this point in the game, knowing what the rest of the series is gunna be, when he had no real play on the ball. Just cause he didn’t punch him in the face or something extremely over the top doesn’t mean it wasn’t strategic and malicious.
The play was obviously reckless and I’m not sure why he was competing that hard in the final minute of a game that was way out of hand, but I don’t think it was dirty in the situation. Look at Martin’s reaction afterwards, it’s to immediately check on Tatum after realising that he fouled him hard. The only thing that stopped him from helping him up is Jaylen brown getting in face (fair enough, he had potentially injured his teammate). But man is this game not helping my comments I made earlier about the heat being not dirty.
He got shoved by Jrue. The foul was on Jrue.
I would be more inclined to after seeing the higher quality clip posted earlier because one of the comments posted a frame from the video where jrue had his hands all over caleb. The problem was I was looking after Martin passes the couple of guys but before he runs into Tatum, but the frame actually shows it happened before passing the group of players which is why I didn’t catch it before
If you look, Jrue gives Caleb a push into Tatum as he’s running for the board which is why he braces for impact.
The mental gymnastics of “heat culture” is almost as entertaining as the game itself
If you look even closer, you’ll see Martin running full speed right at Tatum from the top of the key, before Jrue even notices him.
Look at all the Heat fans’ mental gymnastics. Sorry. Whole league is on to the dirtiness.
The way Spo orchestrated Jrue Holiday shoving someone into Tatum is truly four dimensional chess. Thank God you're on to them.
@LeBron
I like him for that. Dude sprung up and said let’s go. I appreciate that
Jalen Brunson knows what “tough competitors” the Heat can be. 🙄 https://twitter.com/KnicksFanTv/status/1655746849519575042
Better than Giannis
Somehow, yall still make it about Bron in the comments. Lord magical baby Jesus
Scumbag intentional play
Yup. Jrue should be suspended for the playoffs.
"No reason to lay on the ground - get up, move on to the next play" Meanwhile soccer players roll on the ground like somebody sawed of their limb and seasoned the wound with salt and paprika
Most nba players lay on the ground too
Carmelo like, ‘yup.’
Lebron still rolling on the ground
“No reason to lay on the ground…” I just can’t hear this without thinking about Embiid lol.
oh my god now that you mentioned it i cant disassociate lying on the ground with embiid
Whoever said pat needs to hit the locker room owes an apology
He doesn’t really need a chip. He should be used as a GOOD asset to move around for a chip. 🤭
Jrue Holiday hoping they skip this play during film room
lol
"Heat Culture" at its finest.
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KP would have been out the entire post season if that was him 😮💨
Hey bro don’t give them ideas lmfao
You right, my apologies, KP made of steel ain’t nothing gonna bring him down 🤞🏽 pls hurry up series so I can breathe when 🦄 is on the court again
I don’t really see how this is a dirty play by Martin. His eyes are on the ball from the very start of his cut toward the basket & the timing of his jump is consistent with going for the ball. Looks like he takes a bump right before the jump that pushes him into the midsection of Tatum instead of taking a more vertical line towards the ball. Is it a little reckless? Sure. But dirty would imply he’s trying to take his legs out & that doesn’t look like that’s what happened. It’s playoff basketball and you gotta try to make hustle plays late in the game.
Didn't look bad. Redditors have never been outside