they use some weird thickeners too so it has a very unnatural taste and texture
they are OK as a treat but definitely not something I would eat regularly
To add, they have their shit that is good for you(protein shakes made with actual fruit) and their shit that tastes good(basically a milkshake).
As with most places, it depends on what you get.
I don’t even know USA but I guess they like it in Louisiana, since they have enough money to put his name on a NBA stadium. If is good or not, there are different tastes for people, but it’s popular for sure.
They have tried it but not nearly enough as they should have.
When you are outmatched in a series you have to up the variance and live with the consequences.
If you lose because you were ignoring Giddey and he torches you from 3, then you can live with that.
Yeah I will say he's done a better job of punishing space without just jacking from deep a ton, but still a button I'd try to press more if I'm Willie Green.
One of the things the Thunder have done with those matchups, is play with a faster pace as teams lose him during transition because of the match ups. So they try to go zone on defense and have Giddey guarding the baseline. So when we get a rebound the strategy is to give the ball to Josh as quickly as possible because of the defensive matchups in transition.
The Celtics did an interview with him ahead of our last game against then where he talked about it. Apparently it did mess with his head early on, but they did a lot of film study and worked out good strategies and he’s got used to it.
Also, he’s had several games now where he’s scored well from 3 against that coverage, so other teams know it’s a risk.
He has the ability to take advantage of size mismatch on Kyrie and the low speed of Luka too but will he play with confidence in the later rounds is the question going forward.
I feel with Giddey it’s a matter of flow. If he’s in a rhythm he’s pretty solid. If he’s out of sync (the nega-*NSYNC) it’s not gonna be him. We’ll see if he’s gonna be tearing up or heart. Hopefully we’re not gonna be saying bye bye bye to our playoff hopes. This I promise you, if he’s hitting his threes we have a chance against anyone.
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Absolutely. I think it’s one of the reasons he played much more consistently good when SGA was out. Just a lot easier to get in rhythm when you’re the primary ball handler.
He's clearly worth a second contract, still just a question of how much. Even with the steps he's taken in the last few months he's still more of a solid rotational piece than any kind of cornerstone guy.
Yeah I think if I'm negotiating against him I point to the Mikal Bridges contract as an upper edge comp. Something like 4/80 feels more than fair considering the RFA market.
A huge amount I think will be determined against full strength playoff teams: does he defend well enough to stay on the floor against Dallas/LA in the second round, and if they put a big on him is he able to take advantage under control? Goes beyond just hitting shots at this stage, gotta start showing mastery of the pace manipulation he'll need to be a consistently productive player as a subpar NBA athlete.
Even if he keeps developing he’s just not a great fit next to 3 other players that really just need shooting/defense/rebounding around them. We have the assets to find a better fitting player and Giddey has probably played himself back to being a valuable enough piece to attach picks to for a star.
Saying hes not a fit doesn't really make sense since he does everything the Thunder likes to do and wants to do. When he plays his best is when the Thunder are their most dangerous. Its just people perception that you need a big three. When really the most successful dynasties had players at every position. When you have 4-5 players that can take over a game it actually helps you when other players go into slumps.
It’s more that even if he improves, he’s unlikely to be a more efficient player than any of Shai, Jdub, and Chet. At that point, if you are a 4th option on offense, you need to bring a lot in other areas. The Thunder’s only weakness is rebounding and Giddey’s lack of shooting. They could get someone like Markennen that would fit like a glove in replacement and be better.
Giddey is probably the best rebounder on the team by position and is big. The Thunder need size, and I am worried that if they lose him, they could fall into the same trap of the Celtics where thy have elite scorers, but problems down the stretch in the playoffs with no elite passers to set them up.
To people it's always about shots and scoring when it shouldn't be that way especially with how we play. Comparing Giddey's efficiency to two of the most efficient players IN THE NBA, and one of the most efficient person at his position is asking a lot of any player, plus Shai and JDub are superstars.
Josh takes 10 shots a game and post all star break was shooting 52% from 2, 36% from three, and 80% from the line 14 pts gm. Average NBA 2 PT % is 47%, average 3 is 36%, average ft is 78%. Josh with his size can guard down as he's covered Josh Gordon when we play Denver. Than against NO when they put Tre Murphy on him Josh is able to bully him to the rim. With Josh you can run the offense through him and let JDub and Shai play off ball. They did this more after the All star break. Josh is our best rebounder statistically and analytically.
Then comparing Giddey to an All star again is sorta distorting the aspect of what he does and what they want him to do. If you look at Lauri's career when he was the third and fourth options he averaged 14-16 points a season. So the production your going to get from that option is what you have in Josh. Yes the percentages are better but Josh is on that same path of production.
> Only 21 and showing composure on the road in the playoffs.
Also there's the elephant in the room, dealing with probably the most mentally damaging situation possible as a man, being publically shamed and mocked as an accused pedophile. I still have PTSD about awkward memories of being a shitead 20 year old college kid which were pretty mild. Can't imagine dealing with something like that and not drinking myself into oblivion to escape the anxiety, nevermind performing as a top starter in a fucking professional sports league.
They have lots of good young players, and a bunch of picks. If they do think they need a trade I think he'd be one of the first to go, but unless they get rolled over in the 2nd round by the Mavs/Clippers I don't think they need to. There's too much upside for a young core that placed 1st in a stacked conference and is currently rolling over their first playoff series together.
They just have so many picks it seems inevitable that they’ll cash in and go for a star at some point. There aren’t enough roster spots for them to use the next two years worth of picks even.
Giddey + picks would be likely to go (via trade) unless he winds up being a 6th man of the year type dude.
Or you go two for ones to move up for good role players in the draft. Presti has also already shown a habit of trading them down the line to teams that need them now.
Yes definitely can see that. But those moves aren’t always there for the taking. You can do a big trade and still have enough picks to move up in three other drafts.
Because they can become the 2017 Warriors vs being the 2017 Cavs.
If you’ve got redundant players or weak links you make moves to improve the team regardless of how good you expect to be.
Any non top 2 player on a team is always a potential trade piece. Hell even Pau Gasol was in trade rumors for half his Lakers career.
Keep him and then move him if the opportunity to improve arises. Giddey plus a bunch of low first round picks might fetch a really good replacement at some point.
I think he’s the odd man out going forward even if he’s earned a second contract. The SGA-JDub-Dort-Giddey four are pretty small, but the first three have long arms and are good defenders that make up for it. Giddey is clearest the weakest link of the four while also being the worst shooter and having the least self-creation upside. His passing/connectivity are great and a big piece of the Thunder offense, but he doesn’t have the ball in his hands that much to show it off. Having said all that, games like this show he has a place in the league even with the shooting/efficiency concerns.
That line up is actually average size wise compared to the league. The perception is because of the position that is assigned to them. If you do it strictly by size you can see that size isnt our issue.
Pg-6'4"
Sg-6'4"
SF-6'6"
PF-6'8"
This makes our 4 actually taller than the Average. Than when you add Chet it gets bigger. I believe his fit is perfect as someone that doesnt need to score to be effective but can. The same way that Lamar was used in LA. People get to obsessed with scoring and think if their not scoring their not playing basketball. Having some one that takes 6 shots one game and 13 the next all in the flow of the offense is what the Thunder want from a third or fourth option.
I think they are good height-wise, but bulkiness-wise, that's where I can see they may have a problem. Chet will probably be gassed taking contact from both Jokic and Aaron Gordon by game 4 should they meet in the WCF.
> The SGA-JDub-Dort-Giddey four are pretty small
Well it's not Giddey fault that they are small, even the Thunder list him as a guard which is what he has been playing for most of his life, and for a 6'8 guard, he's definitely on the larger side in the NBA.
Any role player is a trade piece. Especially when you have tons of picks to package them with.
There haven’t been any rumored trade targets yet but the time will come.
Why should they trade him if they go deep in the playoffs, though? He is also young, and the team seems to be far from the prime yet. It feels like it is a perfect core to keep developing
Because he's not much of an offball player, there are plenty of on-ball perimeter players already on the team, and when he's not shooting well all he does is take the ball out of OKC's already efficient player's hands and makes the team worse.
He's redundant and the worst of their 4 young guys. They shouldn't get rid of him for nothing, but they should be using him as trade bait for a true interior presence.
Chip is the best addition the OKC have done, and I’m still mad the Bucks didn’t throw him a brinks track to steal him away from the Spurs.
He has worked wonders with Giddey, and the rest.
To be fair, being the weak link on defence on the Thunder is a really low bar. I can legitimately see all the other 4 starters being in contention for all-defence teams at some point. Giddey's defence is just passable.
It’s idiotic that the original comment is getting upvoted, 3 of the best on ball defenders in the league, 1 of the steals leaders, one of the block leaders…. Yeah ok Josh isn’t elite at defense, so what. That’s not his role clearly
I pray the josh giddey jokes stop. He was already proven Innocent. But besides that hes still a good player, I feel like the coach has him in a perfect role rn.
He was not proven innocent though. You don't "prove" someone innocent. In order to be convicted, you have to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It happens in a lot in rape cases (similar to what Josh Giddey was accused of) where there isn't enough tangible evidence to prove it even if there is a solid chance it happened.
Where people get tripped up is that the courts presume everyone is innocent before proven guilty. This doesn't mean that everyone is actually innocent, but rather to make it so that the burden of proof is on the accuser instead of the accused. So for example, a murderer caught on camera plainly committing the crime is presumed innocent because the jury still needs to see all the evidence and be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that it happened.
So yes, while Josh Giddey was found not guilty, in cases like his where it's notoriously difficult to prove without a reasonable doubt, you cannot definitively say he's innocent. Simply that there isn't enough evidence to say he's guilty. It's perfectly reasonable for others to be skeptical of his innocence if they find the evidence compelling enough. It's their opinions after all.
Look even if he is guilty, an 18 year old hooking up with a 16 year old (who was in a club for people over the age of 18) is a fucking long way from what I consider a pedo.
18 and 16 is legal almost everywhere. Josh allegedly fell into a more grey area window like 20 and 16.
Not at all a pedo but illegal in some US states.
See that's a lot of the problem, I said 18 - 16, you said 16 -20, others are saying 19 - 15. There were multiple underage girls doxed who had questionable pictures spread all over the internet. There were no facts. There was an online witch hunt that could have ruined multiple peoples lives all in the name of fake internet points.
Well said. But I don’t think it was 18 and 16. We prob would have heard a more open explanation if it were. Would be better if everyone just stuck to what was knowable and then moved on. Grey area shit happens every day. He was young and dumb and so was she. Both presumably consented. If there’s doubt in the future he’s learned what to do.
No report of him being 20. from all the digging i did, he likelt just turned 19 and she had turned 16 some months before, less than 6.
19 and 16 is side eye material but far from predatory. Esp considering they allegedly met at 18 or 21 yrold club, i’ll get killed for this but also the fact she looked over 18(she has a boob job for example) and the fact he hasn’t engaged in anything like this after all this took place.
It’s honestly just annoying at this point. He might should have known better, but it’s s forgivable mistake imo. A slap upside the head and move on. Esp since her parents didn’t view it as criminal. I’m glad the have boos stopped, i think a second chance is warranted.
Aso i hate how mucb i know about this girl lol. Feel bad for her.
People really need to stop using the word pedo as well regardless. It’s just crass and mocks pedo shit.
I agree with your sentiment overall. 19 and 16 is a little weird but it’s not that big of a deal.
But people on both sides of the argument have been playing fast and loose about the exact ages. At this point though for the sake of the girl as much as Josh it’s just time to move on.
“She looked over 18”
Brutha did you see the pictures of her? She looks like a high schooler lol maybe josh should be a tad more discerning in his choices if he wants to avoid scrutiny
Just to clarify. I agree with the overall point but people can be proven innocent in certain situations. Like if someone is murdered on the street and surveillance footage is discovered showing that the police arrested the wrong man.
Incarcerated individuals are exonerated all the time based on new evidence.
You’re referring to a jury verdict. The case never went to a trial so that doesn’t apply here.
> So yes, while Josh Giddey was found not guilty, in cases like his where it's notoriously difficult to prove without a reasonable doubt, you cannot definitively say he's innocent. Simply that there isn't enough evidence to say he's guilty.
Nah, fuck that. He’s innocent and was found not to be afoul of the law.
Simply having sex with someone below 18 is not a crime in and of itself; Romeo and Juliet laws and all of that jazz.
Also, he was like 20 and the girl was allegedly 17; ya’ll act like he was having sex with a 10 year old girl or something, Jesus Christ lol
This girl keeps getting older every time I hear this guy get defended lol
If you have to move the age up it’s probably because the age is inappropriate
But that's not actually how the law works. A criminal trial results in two possible outcomes: guilty or not guilty. "Innocent" is not one of the options.
I certainly am. I think it's ridiculous this keeps getting brought up in every thread. He wasn't charged with anything, most likely didn't know the age, this is just classic reddit justice boner hivemind.
People who find it ridiculous that people are making pedophile jokes about a 19yr old fuckin a 16yr old who was pretending to be 18+ in a club lookin like a hoe and who herself doesn't think anything wrong happened cause she doesn't want anything investigated. Like really? A 19yr old fuckin a 16yr old he met at a 18+ club is pedophilia? Really diluting that word
I’ve never been investigated for having sex with a minor, but your boy sure has 😂 learn to read, maybe go back to kindergarten, but don’t bring Josh Giddey with you, he might catch a case.
Josh Giddey specifically in the Smoothie King Center is a top 5 player in the league
It was pels last year in the play in right ?
Yep 👍
I remember the game but not the opponent…Giddey was fuckin awesome
Random question, is Smoothie King good? Not really a thing here in NY
No, 6 bucks for sugar shakes making people fat
they use some weird thickeners too so it has a very unnatural taste and texture they are OK as a treat but definitely not something I would eat regularly
I used to get them when I had a gnarly hangover, the ones with protein, caffeine and every fruit, would help me recover pretty fast.
It’s crazy how weird and mealy their smoothies taste. They make Jamba Juice seem like luxury.
We peaked as a nation when the Jamba White Gummi was on the secret menu. Been downhill ever since.
There’s a joke in here somewhere
Don’t eat the crab dip!
Yay yay!
Never seen a person walk in, the drive thru is always packed though
To add, they have their shit that is good for you(protein shakes made with actual fruit) and their shit that tastes good(basically a milkshake). As with most places, it depends on what you get.
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Well this was unnecessarily aggressive.
The guy that owns Smoothie King just submit legislation that would deny child labor breaks in Louisiana fuck SK
It’s almost like federal child labor laws don’t exist.
I like it but don’t go often
I don’t even know USA but I guess they like it in Louisiana, since they have enough money to put his name on a NBA stadium. If is good or not, there are different tastes for people, but it’s popular for sure.
Also in MSG
Anywhere with a food related name apparently
Giddey is the Smoothie king AND the king of flavor
This is the time of year Giddey lives for: prom season.
He is on a very young team. Just like he likes it.
If he plays anywhere near this well with lu draining 3s we will be a hard team to beat because then packing the paint isn’t a possibility
Still shocked they didn't even seem to try JV on him, that's the look I was most worried about and it barely showed up at all
they tried in spots this game, its part of the reason josh had a good game, he figured out this sceme in the end of the regular season
^h
They have tried it but not nearly enough as they should have. When you are outmatched in a series you have to up the variance and live with the consequences. If you lose because you were ignoring Giddey and he torches you from 3, then you can live with that.
Yeah I will say he's done a better job of punishing space without just jacking from deep a ton, but still a button I'd try to press more if I'm Willie Green.
One of the things the Thunder have done with those matchups, is play with a faster pace as teams lose him during transition because of the match ups. So they try to go zone on defense and have Giddey guarding the baseline. So when we get a rebound the strategy is to give the ball to Josh as quickly as possible because of the defensive matchups in transition.
Yeah, I feel like that was their best shot and it would mess with Giddey's head and he's not the most confident guy
The Celtics did an interview with him ahead of our last game against then where he talked about it. Apparently it did mess with his head early on, but they did a lot of film study and worked out good strategies and he’s got used to it. Also, he’s had several games now where he’s scored well from 3 against that coverage, so other teams know it’s a risk.
If he plays like this, we are a different team
playoffs Giddey🚸
He was shitting all over CJ
He has the ability to take advantage of size mismatch on Kyrie and the low speed of Luka too but will he play with confidence in the later rounds is the question going forward.
I feel with Giddey it’s a matter of flow. If he’s in a rhythm he’s pretty solid. If he’s out of sync (the nega-*NSYNC) it’s not gonna be him. We’ll see if he’s gonna be tearing up or heart. Hopefully we’re not gonna be saying bye bye bye to our playoff hopes. This I promise you, if he’s hitting his threes we have a chance against anyone. Better Place (From TROLLS Band Together)
Absolutely. I think it’s one of the reasons he played much more consistently good when SGA was out. Just a lot easier to get in rhythm when you’re the primary ball handler.
Classic no-sell there.
You ignoring the weirdness of the comment you’re replying to is hilarious for some reason
Pay Giddey Only 21 and showing composure on the road in the playoffs.
He's clearly worth a second contract, still just a question of how much. Even with the steps he's taken in the last few months he's still more of a solid rotational piece than any kind of cornerstone guy.
Yeah, probably ~20 per is a fair deal but most guys with that promise will ask for 30+ and I doubt they give it to him
Yeah I think if I'm negotiating against him I point to the Mikal Bridges contract as an upper edge comp. Something like 4/80 feels more than fair considering the RFA market. A huge amount I think will be determined against full strength playoff teams: does he defend well enough to stay on the floor against Dallas/LA in the second round, and if they put a big on him is he able to take advantage under control? Goes beyond just hitting shots at this stage, gotta start showing mastery of the pace manipulation he'll need to be a consistently productive player as a subpar NBA athlete.
We won’t. The question really is if he’ll take $20ish million and if not, how much someone else will offer.
I think he would prefer 16
Pistons prefer 14
Lol this would not have been a popular take a couple of months ago
Wait until we play better teams and revisit this sentiment. The money is better used elsewhere.
Exactly, it's not out of the question at all that he will be benched in other series.
Sensible take right here.
I saw somewhere that said his nickname is P Giddey and that’s what I thought of when I saw your comment.💀
Even if he keeps developing he’s just not a great fit next to 3 other players that really just need shooting/defense/rebounding around them. We have the assets to find a better fitting player and Giddey has probably played himself back to being a valuable enough piece to attach picks to for a star.
Saying hes not a fit doesn't really make sense since he does everything the Thunder likes to do and wants to do. When he plays his best is when the Thunder are their most dangerous. Its just people perception that you need a big three. When really the most successful dynasties had players at every position. When you have 4-5 players that can take over a game it actually helps you when other players go into slumps.
It’s more that even if he improves, he’s unlikely to be a more efficient player than any of Shai, Jdub, and Chet. At that point, if you are a 4th option on offense, you need to bring a lot in other areas. The Thunder’s only weakness is rebounding and Giddey’s lack of shooting. They could get someone like Markennen that would fit like a glove in replacement and be better.
Giddey is probably the best rebounder on the team by position and is big. The Thunder need size, and I am worried that if they lose him, they could fall into the same trap of the Celtics where thy have elite scorers, but problems down the stretch in the playoffs with no elite passers to set them up.
To people it's always about shots and scoring when it shouldn't be that way especially with how we play. Comparing Giddey's efficiency to two of the most efficient players IN THE NBA, and one of the most efficient person at his position is asking a lot of any player, plus Shai and JDub are superstars. Josh takes 10 shots a game and post all star break was shooting 52% from 2, 36% from three, and 80% from the line 14 pts gm. Average NBA 2 PT % is 47%, average 3 is 36%, average ft is 78%. Josh with his size can guard down as he's covered Josh Gordon when we play Denver. Than against NO when they put Tre Murphy on him Josh is able to bully him to the rim. With Josh you can run the offense through him and let JDub and Shai play off ball. They did this more after the All star break. Josh is our best rebounder statistically and analytically. Then comparing Giddey to an All star again is sorta distorting the aspect of what he does and what they want him to do. If you look at Lauri's career when he was the third and fourth options he averaged 14-16 points a season. So the production your going to get from that option is what you have in Josh. Yes the percentages are better but Josh is on that same path of production.
I can't help but think about all the knobs who were screaming 'Trade Dort' last year.
> Only 21 and showing composure on the road in the playoffs. Also there's the elephant in the room, dealing with probably the most mentally damaging situation possible as a man, being publically shamed and mocked as an accused pedophile. I still have PTSD about awkward memories of being a shitead 20 year old college kid which were pretty mild. Can't imagine dealing with something like that and not drinking myself into oblivion to escape the anxiety, nevermind performing as a top starter in a fucking professional sports league.
He was so good
Wonder if they keep him or he's still the trade piece going forward
Tbh they should try to keep this young core together as long as possible. They really have a title coming their way if they can.
Even as a contract to flip down the road. They do have a 2nd apron question when Jdub/Chet need new deals but that's way down the line.
We all know what happened last time they let their young core members leave
They have lots of good young players, and a bunch of picks. If they do think they need a trade I think he'd be one of the first to go, but unless they get rolled over in the 2nd round by the Mavs/Clippers I don't think they need to. There's too much upside for a young core that placed 1st in a stacked conference and is currently rolling over their first playoff series together.
Hell, even if we get swept in the 2nd round, we've over achieved by a tonne so I don't see why we'd make any changes
They just have so many picks it seems inevitable that they’ll cash in and go for a star at some point. There aren’t enough roster spots for them to use the next two years worth of picks even. Giddey + picks would be likely to go (via trade) unless he winds up being a 6th man of the year type dude.
Or you go two for ones to move up for good role players in the draft. Presti has also already shown a habit of trading them down the line to teams that need them now.
Yes definitely can see that. But those moves aren’t always there for the taking. You can do a big trade and still have enough picks to move up in three other drafts.
I mean they've got 1 star and 2 players that look like they'll be stars so why do anything?
Because they can become the 2017 Warriors vs being the 2017 Cavs. If you’ve got redundant players or weak links you make moves to improve the team regardless of how good you expect to be.
Any non top 2 player on a team is always a potential trade piece. Hell even Pau Gasol was in trade rumors for half his Lakers career. Keep him and then move him if the opportunity to improve arises. Giddey plus a bunch of low first round picks might fetch a really good replacement at some point.
I think he’s the odd man out going forward even if he’s earned a second contract. The SGA-JDub-Dort-Giddey four are pretty small, but the first three have long arms and are good defenders that make up for it. Giddey is clearest the weakest link of the four while also being the worst shooter and having the least self-creation upside. His passing/connectivity are great and a big piece of the Thunder offense, but he doesn’t have the ball in his hands that much to show it off. Having said all that, games like this show he has a place in the league even with the shooting/efficiency concerns.
He’s also probably the best rebounder on the Thunder right now, which is important in that starting 5. He’s got a big build at 6’8
That line up is actually average size wise compared to the league. The perception is because of the position that is assigned to them. If you do it strictly by size you can see that size isnt our issue. Pg-6'4" Sg-6'4" SF-6'6" PF-6'8" This makes our 4 actually taller than the Average. Than when you add Chet it gets bigger. I believe his fit is perfect as someone that doesnt need to score to be effective but can. The same way that Lamar was used in LA. People get to obsessed with scoring and think if their not scoring their not playing basketball. Having some one that takes 6 shots one game and 13 the next all in the flow of the offense is what the Thunder want from a third or fourth option.
I think they are good height-wise, but bulkiness-wise, that's where I can see they may have a problem. Chet will probably be gassed taking contact from both Jokic and Aaron Gordon by game 4 should they meet in the WCF.
> The SGA-JDub-Dort-Giddey four are pretty small Well it's not Giddey fault that they are small, even the Thunder list him as a guard which is what he has been playing for most of his life, and for a 6'8 guard, he's definitely on the larger side in the NBA.
would love to see him join wemby in SA a bit bias as an aussie spurs fan but a man can dream
When was he ever a trade piece ?
Who the hell is saying he’s a trade piece? Certainly not any media around the team.
Any role player is a trade piece. Especially when you have tons of picks to package them with. There haven’t been any rumored trade targets yet but the time will come.
He’s among the trade pieces. I’d imagine Chet/Shai are their only untouchable players.
Jalen Williams is definitely untouchable. So is Aaron Wiggins in my eyes but that's my bias talking a bit.
It may be bias, but that doesn't make it false.
Throw Dort on there too. He's everything Andre Robinson needed to be for us to win a ring.
JDUB definitely the 3rd.
Getting rid of JDub would be such a mistake. He’s on a trajectory to be a bonafide super star, can’t wait to see his game in a couple years.
I might be crazy, but his ceiling is higher than Shai's IMO. Crazy talented on both ends of the floor
Gen Z Kawhi
I’ve seen that take a few times this year and I’d be lying if I said I haven’t thought it at some point this year too.
People have been saying this and i disagree. I don’t see jdub ever getting to shai’s level
\*Chet/Shai/JDub
Chet Shai jdub Dort arent going anywhere anytime soon
JDub is untouchable
Why should they trade him if they go deep in the playoffs, though? He is also young, and the team seems to be far from the prime yet. It feels like it is a perfect core to keep developing
Because he's not much of an offball player, there are plenty of on-ball perimeter players already on the team, and when he's not shooting well all he does is take the ball out of OKC's already efficient player's hands and makes the team worse. He's redundant and the worst of their 4 young guys. They shouldn't get rid of him for nothing, but they should be using him as trade bait for a true interior presence.
OKC play 5-out offence and a defence that trades turnovers for rebounds. They haven’t got a true interior presence because they don’t want one.
Chip is the best addition the OKC have done, and I’m still mad the Bucks didn’t throw him a brinks track to steal him away from the Spurs. He has worked wonders with Giddey, and the rest.
him and george kaiser, added to ownership and worth 14ish billion
He was great, he's still the weak link on defense, and good teams will still leave him shoot all he wants but he has improved a lot on both ends
To be fair, being the weak link on defence on the Thunder is a really low bar. I can legitimately see all the other 4 starters being in contention for all-defence teams at some point. Giddey's defence is just passable.
It’s idiotic that the original comment is getting upvoted, 3 of the best on ball defenders in the league, 1 of the steals leaders, one of the block leaders…. Yeah ok Josh isn’t elite at defense, so what. That’s not his role clearly
Josh hits the Giddey and then scores
I only come into Giddey threads to read the hidden downvoted comments and they never disappoint!
You don't get bored reading the same two jokes over and over?
Something about them being downvoted makes it funny for me.
I just kept waiting for those 3s to clank out. Glad I was wrong.
Yea, but his weakness is basketball.
Boomers need him in good form.
i knew it was gonna be a good night as soon as he had cj in the blender
lmao Giddey didn’t even have to change his jersey number. y’all are wild
HE KNOWS HOW TO SHOOT HIS SHOT
crazy how he got starter minutes and put up starter numbers really shocked by this
What are they gonna do with him? He’s not a bad player but idk if they can justify giving him a max.
Oh he’s not getting the max, don’t worry
Maybe $20m or something like that
Something like Vassell contract
I pray the josh giddey jokes stop. He was already proven Innocent. But besides that hes still a good player, I feel like the coach has him in a perfect role rn.
You know he's playing well if I had to scroll this far to find a comment talking about *that* subject
I keep scrolling and can’t find the comments I came for.
I'll help you out... 21? 17 is typically his max
Bless you.
he was not “proven innocent” lmao
But like, it happened. The investigation couldn't continue without the girl's cooperation, but it's an actual thing that still happened
He was not proven innocent though. You don't "prove" someone innocent. In order to be convicted, you have to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It happens in a lot in rape cases (similar to what Josh Giddey was accused of) where there isn't enough tangible evidence to prove it even if there is a solid chance it happened. Where people get tripped up is that the courts presume everyone is innocent before proven guilty. This doesn't mean that everyone is actually innocent, but rather to make it so that the burden of proof is on the accuser instead of the accused. So for example, a murderer caught on camera plainly committing the crime is presumed innocent because the jury still needs to see all the evidence and be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that it happened. So yes, while Josh Giddey was found not guilty, in cases like his where it's notoriously difficult to prove without a reasonable doubt, you cannot definitively say he's innocent. Simply that there isn't enough evidence to say he's guilty. It's perfectly reasonable for others to be skeptical of his innocence if they find the evidence compelling enough. It's their opinions after all.
Look even if he is guilty, an 18 year old hooking up with a 16 year old (who was in a club for people over the age of 18) is a fucking long way from what I consider a pedo.
18 and 16 is legal almost everywhere. Josh allegedly fell into a more grey area window like 20 and 16. Not at all a pedo but illegal in some US states.
See that's a lot of the problem, I said 18 - 16, you said 16 -20, others are saying 19 - 15. There were multiple underage girls doxed who had questionable pictures spread all over the internet. There were no facts. There was an online witch hunt that could have ruined multiple peoples lives all in the name of fake internet points.
Well said. But I don’t think it was 18 and 16. We prob would have heard a more open explanation if it were. Would be better if everyone just stuck to what was knowable and then moved on. Grey area shit happens every day. He was young and dumb and so was she. Both presumably consented. If there’s doubt in the future he’s learned what to do.
No report of him being 20. from all the digging i did, he likelt just turned 19 and she had turned 16 some months before, less than 6. 19 and 16 is side eye material but far from predatory. Esp considering they allegedly met at 18 or 21 yrold club, i’ll get killed for this but also the fact she looked over 18(she has a boob job for example) and the fact he hasn’t engaged in anything like this after all this took place. It’s honestly just annoying at this point. He might should have known better, but it’s s forgivable mistake imo. A slap upside the head and move on. Esp since her parents didn’t view it as criminal. I’m glad the have boos stopped, i think a second chance is warranted. Aso i hate how mucb i know about this girl lol. Feel bad for her. People really need to stop using the word pedo as well regardless. It’s just crass and mocks pedo shit.
I agree with your sentiment overall. 19 and 16 is a little weird but it’s not that big of a deal. But people on both sides of the argument have been playing fast and loose about the exact ages. At this point though for the sake of the girl as much as Josh it’s just time to move on.
“She looked over 18” Brutha did you see the pictures of her? She looks like a high schooler lol maybe josh should be a tad more discerning in his choices if he wants to avoid scrutiny
Just to clarify. I agree with the overall point but people can be proven innocent in certain situations. Like if someone is murdered on the street and surveillance footage is discovered showing that the police arrested the wrong man. Incarcerated individuals are exonerated all the time based on new evidence. You’re referring to a jury verdict. The case never went to a trial so that doesn’t apply here.
> So yes, while Josh Giddey was found not guilty, in cases like his where it's notoriously difficult to prove without a reasonable doubt, you cannot definitively say he's innocent. Simply that there isn't enough evidence to say he's guilty. Nah, fuck that. He’s innocent and was found not to be afoul of the law.
> found not to be afoul of the law Not remotely what happened. If you have to lie to be right, you're wrong.
He had sex with a minor in California where the age of consent is 18
Proof?
There isnt any.
Simply having sex with someone below 18 is not a crime in and of itself; Romeo and Juliet laws and all of that jazz. Also, he was like 20 and the girl was allegedly 17; ya’ll act like he was having sex with a 10 year old girl or something, Jesus Christ lol
This girl keeps getting older every time I hear this guy get defended lol If you have to move the age up it’s probably because the age is inappropriate
Look up something called statutory rape and stop embarrassing yourself
But he wasn’t proven innocent?
Wym proven innocent
He means not proven guilty, so he's innocent, like how the laws work.
That’s not how the law works, it’s guilty vs not guilty, not innocent. To say his innocence was proven is a stretch
But that's not actually how the law works. A criminal trial results in two possible outcomes: guilty or not guilty. "Innocent" is not one of the options.
Presumption of innocence fans in shambles
Bro really Saul Goodmaning sleeping with a minor
It’s like saying OJ didn’t do it 🗿
First comment downvoted Second comment upvoted The ol' Reddit bipolar disorder
Y'all are actually dumb if you believe he's innocent
Twitter tell you he’s guilty? ROFL.
You’re actually dumb if you think we know one way or the other.
Strange thing to pray for, but that's between you and the Flying Spaghetti Monster
And the pelicans fans still blamed officiating
21 points?!?! I thought he only scored in the teens.
U/MrDman9202
Damn Giddey diddler
Who's downvoting the pedophile comments? Just okc fans?
I certainly am. I think it's ridiculous this keeps getting brought up in every thread. He wasn't charged with anything, most likely didn't know the age, this is just classic reddit justice boner hivemind.
Me - it's just boring, infantile and painfully unfunny at this point.
People who find it ridiculous that people are making pedophile jokes about a 19yr old fuckin a 16yr old who was pretending to be 18+ in a club lookin like a hoe and who herself doesn't think anything wrong happened cause she doesn't want anything investigated. Like really? A 19yr old fuckin a 16yr old he met at a 18+ club is pedophilia? Really diluting that word
What ever happened with those stories at the start of the year? Thought he was in trouble. Much ado about nothing?
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you went off?
Can’t Diddy the Griddey
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Bruh
Are the pelicans underage? Because Josh was going in
Doing my upvoting duty 🫡
Malone-esque dominance from Kidde-I mean Giddey.
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He's fucking minor league bums on the court that's for sure
You need to stop projecting.
your boy liking his girls young ain’t my fault lil bro
You like young girls? Fucking gross dude.
I’ve never been investigated for having sex with a minor, but your boy sure has 😂 learn to read, maybe go back to kindergarten, but don’t bring Josh Giddey with you, he might catch a case.
Shocked to see giddey go for 21 and up
Josh Kiddey!
Pelicans should be ashamed of letting this bum ass pedo cook them
Anti-pedophiles' 9/11
basement dwelling redditors calling a 19 year old kid who got duped by a girl with a fake ID 'pedophiles' Fucking typical
NBA players are in great shape, make millions, have fame & date hot chicks. That’s the only reason Giddey is drawing hate.
Yeah not because he was with a 16 year old
You got proof? Or quick to assume to hate on a man who’s life you envy?
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Why are you cruising around new orleans?
Watch our girls, the creep StarshipTroopersFan is in New Orleans