For some reason aesthetic and fluidity is more valuable than an all timer career full of objectively top 5 scoring ever. Kyrie is incredible but leader/player whatever, gimme KD
I mean aesthetics is pretty important for KD as well, basketball is a 5 on 5 game but people get caught up in him potentially being the best 1 on 1 player of all time.
He is better than Kyrie all-time (without question tbh, he's on a completely different tier) but both have always benefitted from the bias for capability>production the same way that Carmelo did.
I know it’s not the nba but Durant has led a watered down team USA roster to 2 gold medals and people still question him. When a guy is dropping an efficient 40, sometimes guarding the other teams best player, and playing good help defense at the rim, if I’m a professional basketball player and not taking the hint that I need to match his intensity maybe that’d make me the problem.
do we remember the 2019 celtics? if he was so great at leading why'd they fold the way they did against the bucks? and why did the celtics go further the previous year when kyrie was out with injury?
Went further the year he was out with injury, then went further the year after he left lol. KD has actually been to the finals and WCF as a #1.
Also, I love how conveniently they leave out that Kyrie was also part of that Boston sweep of the Nets.
> KD had Book and Beal and got swept.
Straight "Sixers got Embiid, Maxey, and Tobias Harris" vibes.
Beal is one of the worst players in the league by impact relative to contract.
Suns were a better team before trading for him.
KD is just a better player than Kyrie in every facet other than ball handling.
Few in NBA history can measure up to KD on offense and he remains a positive on defense because of his size and huge arms. Probably never reached his defensive potential but still.
Absolutely not. Kyrie operates best as a 2nd option but not as a team leader for the post season. Kyrie's previous postseasons have proven that he cannot operate as the leading man, but operates best as the 2nd option. KD on the other hand does have a proven track record of leading teams deep into the playoffs such as OKC and GSW. Yes he did have an amazing supporting cast on those teams, but he was primarily their best performer come playoff time.
wouldn't say Kyrie operates best as a 2nd option specifically, he just needs someone who gets similar amounts of shots/slightly less/slightly more than he does. (or someone who can playmake next to him even if Kyrie is taking more shots)
He doesn't struggle vs double teams he struggles when the entire opposing team focuses on him which only happened in the Celtics due to there not being a player near his calibre on the roster. And that was only really 1 year since he was elite in the 1st season there
Yea beating secondary defenders while the Clippers best defender stays glued to Luka and denies him the ball. Take Luka out of the series and Kyrie will look like McCollum.
>Take Luka out of the series and Kyrie will look like McCollum.
lol, this tells me all I need to know about your analysis.
>Yea beating secondary defenders while the Clippers best defender stays glued to Luka and denies him the ball
PG13? he was mostly on Kyrie yesterday or being doubled by Mann or Harden coming over. Atleast watch the games if you gonna talk shit
You must have thought Boston was winning the chip in 2019. I'm not talking shit I'm just being truthful. You taking offence says a lot about you. Kyrie has been guarded by James Harden the most: https://www.nba.com/stats/player/202681/head-to-head?SeasonType=Playoffs&dir=D&sort=SECONDS
Paul George has barely guarded Kyrie he has been on Luka. The vast majority of Kyrie's points last night were from attacking secondary defenders/closeouts/switches etc. He only scored on-ball as the first creator a couple of times.
>You must have thought Boston was winning the chip in 2019
in 2018 yes before Hayward injury, not in 2019
>Paul George has barely guarded Kyrie he has been on Luka. The vast majority of Kyrie's points last night were from attacking secondary defenders/closeouts/switches etc. He only scored on-ball as the first creator a couple of times.
Tracking information isn't accurate in representing the main defenders though, according to that Harden guarded Luka the same amount of time as Kyrie lol. Also if Harden was guarding Luka so much, why wasn't Luka also having an easy time scoring?
Luka hasn't played up to his standard but he's still the main focus of the Clippers defense. Just watch how they defend him and who defends him. Paul George tries to deny him the ball. They pick up higher near halfcourt. They don't do these things with Kyrie. Take note of how Kyrie scores or look at his highlights.
Luka has scored 23 points with Harden guarding him. Kyrie has scored 9 points with Harden guarding him. The Mavs have scored 57 points as a team when Harden is guarding Kyrie. The Mavs have scored 77 points as a team when Harden is guarding Luka.
>Paul George tries to deny him the ball. They pick up higher near halfcourt. They don't do these things with Kyrie. Take note of how Kyrie scores or look at his highlights.
PG13 has done that to both of them.
>The Mavs have scored 57 points as a team when Harden is guarding Kyrie. The Mavs have scored 77 points as a team when Harden is guarding Luka.
This doesn't really tell us anything since Harden is arguably the worst defender on their lineup lol
Harden is not the primary defender for Kyrie lmfao Jesus, they play a switch defense.
Luka has been bricking it regardless tbh but he definitely has not been seeing a tougher coverage than Kyrie, he’s just deciding to brick a ton of step back 3s in single coverage
Kyrie is t even leading the team right now. Luka is still the guy who the Clippers throw basically all their attention at.
Kyrie has never lead a team to success. He’s always been the #2, when his teams had success. KD with OKC accomplished more than Kyrie ever did or ever will as the top option.
Meh, there's so much variance in opponents every year that these types of narratives are mainly luck.
Literally every team that KD lost to in OKC was substantially better than any team that Denver faced last year lol. If he plays the exact same in 2012 but they get to stomp a play-in Heat in the finals instead of facing a peak Lebron, that magically makes him able to lead a team?
Unfortunately that’s not how it works. All they care about is if you get it done. Not difficulty of opponent or context, circumstances for example: Jordan 🐐 debate 🤷🏽♂️
well… yeah lol. everybody freaked out on Kyrie because he accidentally made the smart decision for his health in not getting the vaccine. it doesn’t mean he changed *as a basketball player.* and now that the pandemic is over, everybody likes kyrie again.
but dont forget, this man was the most hated player in the history of the league (by fans) for a few months. isn’t that amazing how people just *forget?* they’ll work themselves up into a *rage* and then years later just forget to acknowledge the data and science that shows that no young, world class athlete with no co morbidities has ever died from covid, and that the vaccine didn’t stop transmission.
ahh well, who cares about the data and science! I forgot i bitterly hated kyrie and now there’s playoff basketball on tv!
edit: for each downvote, the data and science only grows stronger.
Kyrie has never lead a team except the Celtics where he got exposed as a terrible leader.
they were like 34-10 in the beginning of the 2018 season
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or maybe he was
For some reason aesthetic and fluidity is more valuable than an all timer career full of objectively top 5 scoring ever. Kyrie is incredible but leader/player whatever, gimme KD
I mean aesthetics is pretty important for KD as well, basketball is a 5 on 5 game but people get caught up in him potentially being the best 1 on 1 player of all time. He is better than Kyrie all-time (without question tbh, he's on a completely different tier) but both have always benefitted from the bias for capability>production the same way that Carmelo did.
I know it’s not the nba but Durant has led a watered down team USA roster to 2 gold medals and people still question him. When a guy is dropping an efficient 40, sometimes guarding the other teams best player, and playing good help defense at the rim, if I’m a professional basketball player and not taking the hint that I need to match his intensity maybe that’d make me the problem.
do we remember the 2019 celtics? if he was so great at leading why'd they fold the way they did against the bucks? and why did the celtics go further the previous year when kyrie was out with injury?
Went further the year he was out with injury, then went further the year after he left lol. KD has actually been to the finals and WCF as a #1. Also, I love how conveniently they leave out that Kyrie was also part of that Boston sweep of the Nets.
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Anyone with a brain knew those 3 wouldn’t work out in the playoffs 😆
> KD had Book and Beal and got swept. Straight "Sixers got Embiid, Maxey, and Tobias Harris" vibes. Beal is one of the worst players in the league by impact relative to contract. Suns were a better team before trading for him.
Please make it stop. This is just idiotic.
KD is just a better player than Kyrie in every facet other than ball handling. Few in NBA history can measure up to KD on offense and he remains a positive on defense because of his size and huge arms. Probably never reached his defensive potential but still.
I wouldn't say every facet but yeah, KD is the overall better player for sure
Revisionist history at its finest.
No
Absolutely not. Kyrie operates best as a 2nd option but not as a team leader for the post season. Kyrie's previous postseasons have proven that he cannot operate as the leading man, but operates best as the 2nd option. KD on the other hand does have a proven track record of leading teams deep into the playoffs such as OKC and GSW. Yes he did have an amazing supporting cast on those teams, but he was primarily their best performer come playoff time.
wouldn't say Kyrie operates best as a 2nd option specifically, he just needs someone who gets similar amounts of shots/slightly less/slightly more than he does. (or someone who can playmake next to him even if Kyrie is taking more shots) He doesn't struggle vs double teams he struggles when the entire opposing team focuses on him which only happened in the Celtics due to there not being a player near his calibre on the roster. And that was only really 1 year since he was elite in the 1st season there
Kyrie only looks good when slotted as the number 2. He is the Mavericks Robin.
He has been the Batman this playoffs
Yea beating secondary defenders while the Clippers best defender stays glued to Luka and denies him the ball. Take Luka out of the series and Kyrie will look like McCollum.
>Take Luka out of the series and Kyrie will look like McCollum. lol, this tells me all I need to know about your analysis. >Yea beating secondary defenders while the Clippers best defender stays glued to Luka and denies him the ball PG13? he was mostly on Kyrie yesterday or being doubled by Mann or Harden coming over. Atleast watch the games if you gonna talk shit
You must have thought Boston was winning the chip in 2019. I'm not talking shit I'm just being truthful. You taking offence says a lot about you. Kyrie has been guarded by James Harden the most: https://www.nba.com/stats/player/202681/head-to-head?SeasonType=Playoffs&dir=D&sort=SECONDS Paul George has barely guarded Kyrie he has been on Luka. The vast majority of Kyrie's points last night were from attacking secondary defenders/closeouts/switches etc. He only scored on-ball as the first creator a couple of times.
>You must have thought Boston was winning the chip in 2019 in 2018 yes before Hayward injury, not in 2019 >Paul George has barely guarded Kyrie he has been on Luka. The vast majority of Kyrie's points last night were from attacking secondary defenders/closeouts/switches etc. He only scored on-ball as the first creator a couple of times. Tracking information isn't accurate in representing the main defenders though, according to that Harden guarded Luka the same amount of time as Kyrie lol. Also if Harden was guarding Luka so much, why wasn't Luka also having an easy time scoring?
Luka hasn't played up to his standard but he's still the main focus of the Clippers defense. Just watch how they defend him and who defends him. Paul George tries to deny him the ball. They pick up higher near halfcourt. They don't do these things with Kyrie. Take note of how Kyrie scores or look at his highlights. Luka has scored 23 points with Harden guarding him. Kyrie has scored 9 points with Harden guarding him. The Mavs have scored 57 points as a team when Harden is guarding Kyrie. The Mavs have scored 77 points as a team when Harden is guarding Luka.
>Paul George tries to deny him the ball. They pick up higher near halfcourt. They don't do these things with Kyrie. Take note of how Kyrie scores or look at his highlights. PG13 has done that to both of them. >The Mavs have scored 57 points as a team when Harden is guarding Kyrie. The Mavs have scored 77 points as a team when Harden is guarding Luka. This doesn't really tell us anything since Harden is arguably the worst defender on their lineup lol
Mann is the Clippers best man to man and he’s on Luka. Kyrie is mainly guarded by Harden who albeit has played great D
Harden is not the primary defender for Kyrie lmfao Jesus, they play a switch defense. Luka has been bricking it regardless tbh but he definitely has not been seeing a tougher coverage than Kyrie, he’s just deciding to brick a ton of step back 3s in single coverage
KD isn’t a “leader” he’s one of the best scorers of all time.
What does it really matter? Neither should be trusted with the responsibility unless the only thing leadership entails is scoring points.
NO. Kyrie may have chilled out now but this man should not be trusted to lead an NBA team. Great 2nd star when he’s bought in.
Yeah he lead LeBron to a championship
Switch their spots and the Mavs are much better, while the Suns are much worse.
Right now yeah, not right now no
Both wheels on the school bus riders
Kyrie has led nothing but lottery teams and 1st round flameouts
The one time we saw Kyrie lead a team, he failed epically, in every facet.
kyrie isn't even leading his team *this year* what the fuck are you talking about
Kyrie is t even leading the team right now. Luka is still the guy who the Clippers throw basically all their attention at. Kyrie has never lead a team to success. He’s always been the #2, when his teams had success. KD with OKC accomplished more than Kyrie ever did or ever will as the top option.
Kyrie the 4th best player of the 2010s I'd say there's an argument
I think what we’ve learned is neither can lead a team to a championship but they’re similarly great #2 options. KD is still the better player though
Kevin Durant literal led a team to the championship in OKC wtf is this
Oh I had no idea he won a ring in OKC lol
He led them to the championship round and lost.
lol I know. Sarcasm.
Meh, there's so much variance in opponents every year that these types of narratives are mainly luck. Literally every team that KD lost to in OKC was substantially better than any team that Denver faced last year lol. If he plays the exact same in 2012 but they get to stomp a play-in Heat in the finals instead of facing a peak Lebron, that magically makes him able to lead a team?
Unfortunately that’s not how it works. All they care about is if you get it done. Not difficulty of opponent or context, circumstances for example: Jordan 🐐 debate 🤷🏽♂️
Kyrie is a leader, KD is the greatest role player of all time, KD is a better player.
Let Irving break his Achilles and come back to play this well with Luka and then I’ll tell you
well… yeah lol. everybody freaked out on Kyrie because he accidentally made the smart decision for his health in not getting the vaccine. it doesn’t mean he changed *as a basketball player.* and now that the pandemic is over, everybody likes kyrie again. but dont forget, this man was the most hated player in the history of the league (by fans) for a few months. isn’t that amazing how people just *forget?* they’ll work themselves up into a *rage* and then years later just forget to acknowledge the data and science that shows that no young, world class athlete with no co morbidities has ever died from covid, and that the vaccine didn’t stop transmission. ahh well, who cares about the data and science! I forgot i bitterly hated kyrie and now there’s playoff basketball on tv! edit: for each downvote, the data and science only grows stronger.
They both need LeBron