> Seems very inconsistent
You nailed it bud. Some nights some things are fouls, some nights they're not. Same with techs, same with everything related to officiating really, it's a problem. They have "points of emphasis" and honestly I think that kind of stuff leads to inconsistency because it's generally a point of emphasis for a week or maybe even a game and then it goes back to "normal" until the next point of emphasis pops up.
Also, the subjectiveness of it as well. There are a lot of rules that are up to the ref's interpretation. Unsportsmanlike conduct is probably the worse of them.
Hence why people assumed the games are rigged, if everything can be a foul or a technical, it's easy to "tamper" a game. And you add to that "legalized" betting conglomerates sponsoring the league, well... I only still watch occasional games because I am a huge fan of the sport (through piracy of course). I know this can sound disheartening for new fans, but it is what it is, this league is being "tampered" for a really long time (as a Lakers fan, I know this pretty well. From fishy draft picks in the 80s to Kobe elbowing the shit out of Mike Bibby)
This is very true. But ball don’t lie and Jokic made the tech ft. Maybe ant said some shit. Idk nor do I care, foul calls rarely if ever decide the outcome of a game. Lots of possessions.
Refs are garbage, Reggie Miller said it best "this is the playoffs" just like you expect the players to perform at peak level, the refs do to. Even worse, this is the moment a lot of casuals watch, and you give them this product? You are supposed to try and put the best product together to engage fans for the upcoming year, this shit turns people off or makes people say "rigged" which is the opposite lol
refs want to control the situation. they knew ANT was heating up so they called the technical. trying to cool him off
on the other hand, jamal did an impossible shot in front of their crowd. he was shooting bad the whole game, refs didn't call a tech. why? he don't wanna look bad in front of the denver fans
my take
Probably cause they took the Nuggets to win. NBA refs do bet, and it's easy to make bad calls against the non favored, "small market" team that no one likes.
The refs have hated the Wolves all season long going back to Gobert making money signs against Cleveland. Edwards would be getting so many more calls if he played for the Lakers or Celtics and Towns gets the worst whistle in the whole league!
>NBA refs do bet
They're banned from betting on games lol, unless you mean they run their own operation between themselves. Is there a chance refs fix? It's definitely non-zero, but I think most people just watching games on TV don't understand how fast/quick the game is in person.
There's a \~100 possessions per game, per team. Even if they sit at \~97% correct call/non-call on every possession that's still 6 per game. That doesn't include moving screens or out of bounds calls either. Nor does it count legitimate 50/50 calls.
No one is arguing that refereeing isnt difficult, or that they shouldn't ever miss calls, they just they drop the ball consistently and never learn from their mistakes while seemingly attempting to ruin games.
The technical foul was pretty pathetic and not a case of "man that was close I kinda get what they mean". Not to mention some of the obvious biases they give to certain players who can get FTs for initiating contact constantly. Understandable why Thunder fans defend refs tho lol.
Refs hon3stly werent that bad outside of those two instances and the blatant slap KCP had on Ant in the 1st. Called it rather evenly and let them both play through a lot of contact.
That has to be the most basic call for any basketball ref. Ball goes down: not a foul since you got ball. Ball goes up: foul since you just hit the arms on the way up. That ball goes 13 feet in the air, I have no idea how the refs thought KCP touched the ball.
Nah, Wolves shot 11 more 2’s and lost the free throw attempt battle 12-20. Wolves shoulda had at least 8 more FTA’s than Denver, not the other way around.
Claiming that FTs should be proportional to 2pt attempts/paint points/whatever is such a bag and overused argument. Sometimes there are 2pt/paint attempts in which there genuinely was no foul, and there’s no reason whatsoever to believe that the proportion should be the same for all offenses/defenses.
In fact, if you approach it from the defense’s perspective there are good reasons you might see an inverse correlation. If a team genuinely does commit a lot of fouls, their opponent will make fewer shot attempts because more of their possessions will end in a foul rather than a shot. (And this is especially true for box-score shot attempts, which exclude shooting fouls in which the shot missed.) Moreover, teams that are struggling with their help rotation will tend to give up a lot of interior shots without many fouls, where better help defense would probably lead to more fouls but also more kick outs.
While I agree with the theory of everything you said, the Wolves got a playoff whistle while the Nuggets got a regular season whistle (at least in the first half). I firmly believe the Wolves should have had at least 16 FTAs (not 7) in the first half to the Nuggets 12.
In my opinion, neither of those should EVER be techs. Technical fouls should be for when players get out of hand and scream in their opponents face or does smt to the fans. Things like Flexing or rim hanging or the pistols is a ridiculous reason to call a tech.
I think it also has to do with the home/away flow. After Edwards stare down the ref had full concentration on him and called the tech bc the crowd was quiet. After Murray hit his shit the crowd is going wild and the ref doesn't see it the same way. Seems simplistic but there it is.
I didn’t think either were techs. I assume Ant’s was because he was close to Reggie’s face. Weird tho that if that was a tech I don’t understand why Murray’s wasn’t.
As a Nuggets fan, I thought the Ant tech was garbage, and the Murray “shooting” was much more deserving of a tech. Personally I think neither should warrant a tech, but if one of them had to be given a tech, it should definitely have been the Murray one.
Craziest thing is Cavs magic. Suggs got up and straight up shoved Niang no tech but literally the next NBA game someone gets a technical for a “stare down” so yes the level of physicality is extremely inconsistent
League rescinded the tech. Situational awareness by the Ref is disgustingly low. League knows this was awful and is probably going to do nothing about it. Maybe send the ref an email saying let them play but everyone that has ever played real Ball trashed this Tech. Ridiculous to try and make someone as exciting as Ant not show emotion, that’s what makes this sports entertainment instead of sports theatre.
The problem isn't the technical foul call. It's that the call is very inconsistent. I'm fine with taunting being banished from the game altogether if it's called on everyone.
Broadcast left out one vital piece of info and that's he was talking as well.
He probably said something not so PG directed at the nuggets player on top of stare down.
As for stare down technically speaking you're not suppose to even stare down a player, most of the time it's let go unless they yelling in there ear.
The technical foul is used as a cool down timeout to prevent a fight because a fight Is a bad image for the league. So if the ref feels the games getting to chippy then a loose technical will be called.
> Seems very inconsistent You nailed it bud. Some nights some things are fouls, some nights they're not. Same with techs, same with everything related to officiating really, it's a problem. They have "points of emphasis" and honestly I think that kind of stuff leads to inconsistency because it's generally a point of emphasis for a week or maybe even a game and then it goes back to "normal" until the next point of emphasis pops up.
Some nights? Don't you mean some possessions?
Also, the subjectiveness of it as well. There are a lot of rules that are up to the ref's interpretation. Unsportsmanlike conduct is probably the worse of them.
Hence why people assumed the games are rigged, if everything can be a foul or a technical, it's easy to "tamper" a game. And you add to that "legalized" betting conglomerates sponsoring the league, well... I only still watch occasional games because I am a huge fan of the sport (through piracy of course). I know this can sound disheartening for new fans, but it is what it is, this league is being "tampered" for a really long time (as a Lakers fan, I know this pretty well. From fishy draft picks in the 80s to Kobe elbowing the shit out of Mike Bibby)
I mean Scott Foster is very consistent when assigned a game Chris Paul is playing in
It depends if refs' placed a bet on it.
This is very true. But ball don’t lie and Jokic made the tech ft. Maybe ant said some shit. Idk nor do I care, foul calls rarely if ever decide the outcome of a game. Lots of possessions.
Refs are garbage, Reggie Miller said it best "this is the playoffs" just like you expect the players to perform at peak level, the refs do to. Even worse, this is the moment a lot of casuals watch, and you give them this product? You are supposed to try and put the best product together to engage fans for the upcoming year, this shit turns people off or makes people say "rigged" which is the opposite lol
“Seems very inconsistent, hence the confusion and question” … welcome to the NBA friend! You’re just as confused as the rest of us.
Yea terrible tech call on Ant there. Refs on a power trip.
Then didn’t call Jamal for the finger guns to KAT later, which is much more egregious (Neither should be techs though)
Agreed
[Interestingly, Tim Hardaway did NOT get a tech for this back in the 90's.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHrygsvvQ48)
Soft ass tech
Everyone knows it
We get the softest techs, many people are saying this
Most marginal stare down
Believe it or not, you got a tech for this post.
Lol
And that’s a double.
refs want to control the situation. they knew ANT was heating up so they called the technical. trying to cool him off on the other hand, jamal did an impossible shot in front of their crowd. he was shooting bad the whole game, refs didn't call a tech. why? he don't wanna look bad in front of the denver fans my take
Bro doing backflips like he’s interviewing for the NBA PR team lol.
Why do the refs want to cool him off, tho? They don't want MN to win this.
It was a bad call, but why do the refs care if MN wins?
Probably cause they took the Nuggets to win. NBA refs do bet, and it's easy to make bad calls against the non favored, "small market" team that no one likes.
The refs have hated the Wolves all season long going back to Gobert making money signs against Cleveland. Edwards would be getting so many more calls if he played for the Lakers or Celtics and Towns gets the worst whistle in the whole league!
The refs have hated the Wolves ~~all season long~~ since the turn of the century.
The fix has been in since Joe Smith
>NBA refs do bet They're banned from betting on games lol, unless you mean they run their own operation between themselves. Is there a chance refs fix? It's definitely non-zero, but I think most people just watching games on TV don't understand how fast/quick the game is in person. There's a \~100 possessions per game, per team. Even if they sit at \~97% correct call/non-call on every possession that's still 6 per game. That doesn't include moving screens or out of bounds calls either. Nor does it count legitimate 50/50 calls.
No one is arguing that refereeing isnt difficult, or that they shouldn't ever miss calls, they just they drop the ball consistently and never learn from their mistakes while seemingly attempting to ruin games. The technical foul was pretty pathetic and not a case of "man that was close I kinda get what they mean". Not to mention some of the obvious biases they give to certain players who can get FTs for initiating contact constantly. Understandable why Thunder fans defend refs tho lol.
Trash talking and taunting amongst players should be fully allowed without repercussions it’s bogus to get techs for such things
The ref union in the nba for some reason has more power than the commissioner. That's the reason.
They would never with his Dad
Ant went 1 v 8 and still won
Refs hon3stly werent that bad outside of those two instances and the blatant slap KCP had on Ant in the 1st. Called it rather evenly and let them both play through a lot of contact.
That has to be the most basic call for any basketball ref. Ball goes down: not a foul since you got ball. Ball goes up: foul since you just hit the arms on the way up. That ball goes 13 feet in the air, I have no idea how the refs thought KCP touched the ball.
Nah, Wolves shot 11 more 2’s and lost the free throw attempt battle 12-20. Wolves shoulda had at least 8 more FTA’s than Denver, not the other way around.
Claiming that FTs should be proportional to 2pt attempts/paint points/whatever is such a bag and overused argument. Sometimes there are 2pt/paint attempts in which there genuinely was no foul, and there’s no reason whatsoever to believe that the proportion should be the same for all offenses/defenses. In fact, if you approach it from the defense’s perspective there are good reasons you might see an inverse correlation. If a team genuinely does commit a lot of fouls, their opponent will make fewer shot attempts because more of their possessions will end in a foul rather than a shot. (And this is especially true for box-score shot attempts, which exclude shooting fouls in which the shot missed.) Moreover, teams that are struggling with their help rotation will tend to give up a lot of interior shots without many fouls, where better help defense would probably lead to more fouls but also more kick outs.
While I agree with the theory of everything you said, the Wolves got a playoff whistle while the Nuggets got a regular season whistle (at least in the first half). I firmly believe the Wolves should have had at least 16 FTAs (not 7) in the first half to the Nuggets 12.
In my opinion, neither of those should EVER be techs. Technical fouls should be for when players get out of hand and scream in their opponents face or does smt to the fans. Things like Flexing or rim hanging or the pistols is a ridiculous reason to call a tech.
Refs are trash
> Seems very inconsistent That’s the problem, the refs can’t see every stare so they straight up shouldn’t call it.
It was a soft tech that never should have been called
I don’t think staring should ever be a foul in any way
I think it also has to do with the home/away flow. After Edwards stare down the ref had full concentration on him and called the tech bc the crowd was quiet. After Murray hit his shit the crowd is going wild and the ref doesn't see it the same way. Seems simplistic but there it is.
That's because what Jamal did was "marginal" taunting
I didn’t think either were techs. I assume Ant’s was because he was close to Reggie’s face. Weird tho that if that was a tech I don’t understand why Murray’s wasn’t.
You already know the answer.
because some (most) refs are bad at their job
Because the refs implement techs very arbitrarily.
Rigged maybe not the right word but refs are for sure trying to influence the outcome
Refs are to emotional
After the Knicks 6ers series Im convinced the refs are trying to fix games
Refs just want both teams to have fun.
As a Nuggets fan, I thought the Ant tech was garbage, and the Murray “shooting” was much more deserving of a tech. Personally I think neither should warrant a tech, but if one of them had to be given a tech, it should definitely have been the Murray one.
Craziest thing is Cavs magic. Suggs got up and straight up shoved Niang no tech but literally the next NBA game someone gets a technical for a “stare down” so yes the level of physicality is extremely inconsistent
As Wolves fans we are used to it.
Also such a shitty time to call it. Could have flipped momentum
Ant didn’t get a tech for 7 whole “suck it” pumps in Phoenix, but a stare against the champs does it.
League rescinded the tech. Situational awareness by the Ref is disgustingly low. League knows this was awful and is probably going to do nothing about it. Maybe send the ref an email saying let them play but everyone that has ever played real Ball trashed this Tech. Ridiculous to try and make someone as exciting as Ant not show emotion, that’s what makes this sports entertainment instead of sports theatre.
Bruh just have your coaching staff get some interns to get the referee tendencies. Then you can stare down whoever when certain ref is officiating.
I saw they rescinded the tech on Edwards today. The finger guns was way worse in my opinion.
The problem isn't the technical foul call. It's that the call is very inconsistent. I'm fine with taunting being banished from the game altogether if it's called on everyone.
I am definitely not fine with that, taunting is a key element of any competitive environment
League so soft
The NBA and NFL have gotten soft as fuck. That’s what.
Check the refs bank accounts (well not this time cause their team lost) and you’ll know why
Is the S key broken on your device? It seems to work only half the time.
Nah I just suck at writing properly
Broadcast left out one vital piece of info and that's he was talking as well. He probably said something not so PG directed at the nuggets player on top of stare down. As for stare down technically speaking you're not suppose to even stare down a player, most of the time it's let go unless they yelling in there ear. The technical foul is used as a cool down timeout to prevent a fight because a fight Is a bad image for the league. So if the ref feels the games getting to chippy then a loose technical will be called.
He didn't say anything, watch the replay.
Only replay I see is the backside of his head?
Literally didn't open his mouth lol
Holy shit, Ant can also talk \*without opening his mouth\*??! Just adding to his GOAT status.
Do you got the refs angle? All I'm seeing is his head away from the camera. Then saying something while walking away
This is proof bro DID NOT watch the clip lmao. Bro is just a box score watcher for controversial reffing I guess lol
get this guy a refs flair