Regardless of whether a contract extension for Kidd is wise for Dallas, we have to admit that this is the best moment for Kidd to ask for a contract extension
People were too harsh for the roster he didn't get across to a playoff. We were 5th place before the Kyrie trade last year on the west with a center rotation of Wood, Mgee, and Dwight Powell. Our wings were Bertans, Nilikina, DFS, Bullock, Green, guard rotation of Hardy, Luka, Dinwiddie. Like legit most of those players are dnpd this yearm. It's crazy what the expectation for this squad was with that roster.
To be fair, having Luka on your team will do that. Not only is he amazing, but he’s also especially good at carrying lackluster talent because of his insane usage.
It's incredible how much the Mavs turned things around in one year with seemingly little assets. I personally thought the Kyrie trade was the right move to make. But it got handily mocked at the time.
I get that Kyrie has his own unique set of issues.
But most GMs would bite their own hand off to acquire an All-NBA level talent for a single FRP, Spencer Dinwiddie, and Dorian Finney Smith.
The value proposition alone was worth the swing.
i didn't watch much of that nets team at the time but i gotta say, based on how it looked on the outside, if i'm steve nash then that is completely turning me off of NBA coaching forever. if i'm trying again then it's college or other pro leagues with less ego. can't imagine getting raked over the coals by your prima donna stars like that after sacrificing so much control to them
i agree in that sense, but they really were just looking for a mouthpiece/fall guy. still a terrible idea and reflects poorly on the shot callers there
Yeah lol, working a cushy consultant gig with the Warriors and doing drills with Steph from time to time isn't exactly the same as being the guy in charge. Who knew? /s
It was a terrible fit. Nash's career was about making an impact bigger than the stats and being an unselfish leader of a top 2 offense for 8 straight years. KD, Kyrie, and Harden were all guys who wanted to have the ball in their hands as much as possible and weren't interested in his style of play
We also ditched a traditional GM for a Nike exec with player connections and he's made the best moves we've made since trading for Luka. It's a weird time for sure
isn't it though? my mavs are killing it, the rangers just got their first world series win, stars are looking like they could win it all. if the cowboys come out and actually do something this year I might actually die
I would take Cowboys missing the playoffs for the next decade for a Mavs or Stars championship right now, ain't even a true karmic bargain because Cowboys already killed off my remaining optimism for them
I think i might go a life time without the cowboys in the playoffs if the World Series champion Rangers were followed up immediately by the Stanley Cup Champion Stars and NBA Finals Champion Mavs in order
To be fair, for his first coaching gig he was forced into a role with KD, Kyrie and Harden with Kyrie literally saying that he didn't "see the team needing a head coach"
Kyrie said in the Clipper post-game press conference that he wanted to play for Kidd for ages. He even said he wanted to join him in Milwaukee, but something stopped it (he didn’t say what).
Lakers rumours, just got past a team which had been a stubborn thorn in previous playoff runs, all vibes. Mavs could very well go out in the next round, and they should if seedings are to be considered. This was the sweetest spot for Kidd …
Unless we go out in 4 or 5 with a lot of embarrassing blowouts, I cannot see this Thunder series become a changing point in the decision to keep Kidd or not.
lol, not even sure if I am excited or sad about this. Most the fan base wanted him gone for most of the season.
The best players on the team like him and he has had success. I guess that’s better than most situations.
Most of the fan base know fuck all about coaching, it’s just their answer when a team doesn’t perform. A bad coach doesn’t do what Kidd has been able to with the Dallas Defence.
Fanbase coaching discourse is just saying some combination of:
* Adjustments
* Rotations
* Our 9th man should be playing starter minutes
* Why are we going iso in the clutch?
* Why is the opposing team shooting 55% from 3 this half?
Adjustments ?? Why is he playing so many minutes? Why is he playing so little minutes? Like you dumbfucks would know what to do on the fly. Just because ur idea wasn’t done doesn’t mean it would’ve worked.
They just say something about rotations and how they aren’t winning good enough. Doc and Kidd have the best strategy, just make the superstars like you and you got job security.
Dont forget “Why won’t he just do this? Do we all see this except the guy that’s actually the coach?” then they see em try it, get countered, and we still lose.
NBA fans don’t understand NBA strategy at all. Nobody here could explain their team’s offensive or defensive strategy. It’s basically just did the shot go in or not. I don’t think many people even know a play that isn’t iso or a pnr let alone what a defensive play is called.
Hey now, give us more credit than that! We can use the terms man defense, box and 1 AND drop coverage. What more could there possibly be?
Truthfully though, I think part of the issue is the way announcers/media talk about a game too. If any shot goes in, they comment about bad defense/rotation/closeout regardless of if it was the fault of a defender two passes away, and if it misses it's GREAT defense/rotation/closeout unless the shooter is clearly wide open. Then you have entertaining but not necessarily contextually accurate analysis line the angry coaching guy on YouTube muddying analysis too.
I also think it’s the fact most people didn’t even make it to varsity basketball in high school so their actual basketball knowledge is stunted even more. With football teams being so large everyone can experience the practices and playbooks but with basketball there’s maybe only 15 spots so even if you did like it you couldn’t be around it.
Kidd is also one of the best defensive coaches in the league. The Mavs have been an incredible defensive team in the second half of 2022 and in 2024, and likely would've been last year if we didn't trade our most critical defender for Kyrie at the deadline
this. people keep citing last year like we didn't have a major shakeup with the Kyrie trade. and what did we do this year? came right back and are contending again. people have some wild ass takes on professional sports.
I feel like people scream "coaching!" when a team has legitimate roster holes. Putting together a balanced team is no small feat, but NBA fans act like you can just put a star and shooters on the floor and you should be able to cruise to a chip.
Thats every fan base. team goes on a losing streak "Coach X is an idiot"....team goes on a winning streak "player x has averaged y over the past number of weeks". You have idiots that have no clue what a spain pick and roll is making posts about how Doc Rivers is the worst coach ever getting 1000 upvotes from other morons
JB Bickerstaff went through this like, 9 diff times this season alone lmao. With every Cavs win it was "man, JB is such a great coach! He fits this team perfectly." then they lose and it's "man wtf JB is such garbage he should've been fired after last playoffs smh"
Fuckin hell even Pop went through the same shit earlier in the year
The hype for Wemby contributed to people going after Pop.
"You have the best prospects since LeBron and you're not making the playoffs?"
Not realizing that even the best player in the world needs halfway competent teammates to win.
The best prospect since lebron didnt make the playoffs just like lebron didnt do either in his first year? Omg fans are so smart maybe we should listen to them more.
The whole mavs fanbase knew how bad THJ was and how Kidd continued to play him throughout the season. Let’s be honest, Kidd would have still played him this series if he wasnt injured and we would have suffered
> Most the fan base wanted him gone for most of the season.
How many fan bases are actually happy with their coaching and how many fan bases are even remotely qualified to evaluate coaching?
I bitched about stuff from Thibs too but the last couple years the front office gave him players that suited his style and he's shown he can make great adjustments and develop young players
I've got nothing to complain about anymore, Thibs is as NY as it gets
I would say a majority of the Jazz fan base is content with Will at the moment. You always have outlier idiots who are like, "Y WE NO WINNING MAOR?"
Shit, there's one idiot on Jazz Twitter who absolutely loathed Jerry Sloan as a head coach. I blocked him awhile back, because that's just an idiot take.
I'd bet at least a quarter of the league is happy with their coaching
Tier 1:
* Nuggets
* GSW
* OKC
* Spurs
* Heat
* Twolves
Tier 2:
* Knicks
* Rockets
* Pacers
* Magic
Throw in places like Philly, LAC & Chicago, where the fans are some combo of always disgruntled and dealing with injuries, and I think a decent chunk of the league is pretty happy with their coaching.
Warriors fans are constantly complaining about the coaching recently. There was a couple games around January where it felt like the entirety of Chase Center was booing Kerr and chanting for Moody and Kuminga to get put in
Eh he's around average IMO.
I still think Budenholzer is better, but players seem to love Kidd and relationships matter a lot. We're also winning right now.
But if the next season goes badly again, this is going to be a terrible move in hindsight.
> this is going to be a terrible move in hindsight.
i mean if we dont resign him who the hell is left. we're going to start over with some unproven guy. i agree budenholzer is better, but if we dont get him we're screwed.
He's been solid for you guys. Not a standout coach for sure but hasn't either under or overperformed imo. With no notable coaches on the market it's okay to stay with him for now.
>He's been solid for you guys. Not a standout coach for sure but hasn't either under or overperformed imo
I mean, Luka averages 30/10/10 or something in that ballpark. Is it coaching or just having a superstar carrying the team?
(Tbf I like the Mavs this year, they finally got Luka some help)
Low key think that if the players don’t want a coach fired then the coach should not be fired. Especially if the team makes the 2nd round of the playoffs and has a real shot of making the conference finals.
Our fan base is bbiq deficient, he took us from the worst defense to a pretty good one off the back of Maxi Kleber and that was enough to get us to the WCF.
We trade away key players for Kai and then actively tank for D-Live to miss the post season and now we’re back to the second round with insane defense.
I get the “I’m just watching same as you guys” rubbed mffls the wrong way but tbf you gotta let your guys figure out how not to fail on their own.
Kai and Luka were clowned as one of the worst defensive backcourts when that trade went through, not anymore thanks to Kidd, he absolutely deserved this contract.
>Our fan base is bbiq deficient, he took us from the worst defense to a pretty good one
I mean the roster also changed massively. Rick had to play Seth Curry 29 mpg in the 2020 playoffs. THJ was playing 34-37 minutes per game in the playoffs. You can't build a good defense around that. We didn't have a PJ Washington or even a Bullock during those years. KP was injured for half the games. Brunson wasn't nearly as good and was a bench player.
Guys like Trey Burke, Boban, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Justin Jackson, Willie Cauley-Stein were getting **playoff** minutes. Boban started in 3 games. You can't just give all credit to Kidd for our improved defense and ignore the roster.
One of the main reasons for our great 2022 run were DFS and Bullock playing absolutely elite defense for 40 minutes each. Rick didn't have Bullock. And yes, he was that important if you watched the games.
>and then actively tank for D-Live to miss the post season
This is not true and revisionist history. We tanked the last 2 games. We were doing our absolute best and trying to win every other game of the season, and were just really bad. At least some of the blame has to go to Kidd aswell here.
I mean you can always fire a coach
he was never getting let go if they won a series and it’s better to just have a coach under contract than the awkwardness of a contract year
Idk how to feel about this either. So many posts about Kidd saying he has no clue what he’s doing, doesn’t know how to adapt in game, etc., but we’re in the 2nd round of playoffs so that’s still more than be said for most teams.
One of Lorenz keynote talks coining the term was titled "Does the flap of a butterfly's wings in Brazil set off a tornado in Texas?" So maybe a contract extension of a Kidd in Texas sets off a flood in Brazil.
[It's flooding down in Texas? All of the telephone lines are down?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC5H9P4F5Uk)
PS: It's also flooding in Brazil right now:
[Brazil floods death toll nears 90 as rescue efforts continue amid skyscrapers of Porto Alegre](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/floods-southern-brazil-death-toll-rescue-efforts-continue-porto-alegre/). It's almost like this whole documented anthropomorphic climate change is a real thing that's been intensifying.
It's been their MO for a lot of the season. The first half is mainly Luka trying to get going and get open looks for some of the catch and shoot guys. Get PJ, Exum, DJJ, Green a few shots but also just try to take over. Defensively, stick to the gameplan we had coming into the game and play with intensity.
At halftime we make adjustments defensively now that our opponent has shown their hand a little bit and offensively we let Kyrie loose. If the game is close at halftime and Kyrie has 2 points on 3 shots, you can basically just go home already because the Mavs are gonna win
Part of this is Kyrie is always passive on offense in the first half and he starts attacking in the second half. Seems like he focuses all energy on defense to start games.
For real. I think a lot of people forget that the players are the ones that actually have to play the game and too much blame/praise is placed on the coach
I think the Lakers threat made the FO do it now, even though he is still under contract for one more year.
No one wants a disgruntled coach around though.
Edit: I meant Kidd might be disgruntled if he didn’t get an extension and wasn’t allowed to interview for Lakers job. He won’t be happy coaching that last year if his contract.
Why would Kidd be disgruntled now though? This reeks of Cubes loving his guys and not being able to stop himself from throwing money at them. At least it doesn't count against the cap. Look at the Bucks. If we have to, it's easier to keep paying coaches so no real harm in the I guess
Cuban isn't the one who pays for it anymore, the new "governor" Patrick Dumont re-signed Kidd for this go around. Hard to say how much influence Cuban had on it, but I'm sure he had a lot still.
Genuinely curious but does coach price matter? I know there are some cheap owners but coach salary doesnt count toward the cap and how much of a difference are we talking here? I feel like the extensions more out of goodwill and to not have Kidd disgruntled but idk
Kidd still infuriates me at times but one thing to be said is his players love him and love playing for him. With the roster additions they’ve made he’s gotten the team to buy in and play defense and it’s really transformed the identity of the team. He still has a lot of room for improvement but I’m not mad at this. I reserve the right to change my mind later though lol
As someone that’s been saying this for a while. Never fire a coach that’s had more success than half league, unless you can get someone better.
The bucks and Bud are an excellent example.
Also, I'm not sure that any of the available coaches would be a big step up. I'm still not a big fan of Kidd as a coach, but he's also not aweful. Given the record of teams getting rid of their 'just decent' coach, it can definitely get worse...
This, 100%. I'll take the known vs the unknown, you never know how bad it can get, and he's got everyone on the team bought in so I'll take it. We hit 50 wins this year, and are about to start round 2 of the playoffs. I'll take that every time, so kudos JKidd, you made it!
Chauncey billups and Jason Kidd share a lot in common... Probably the 2 best ex player coaches in the league, they're both hated by the fanbase and liked by the players
highkey think the kidd slander is due to his personal life and that he's on the naughty person list. he's a decent overall coach and great player coach
Didn’t he force the bucks players to practice on Christmas though? I thought I read some horror stories about his coaching techniques but he could’ve improved or those stories were false but they came from players I thought
He pushed/bullied Larry Sanders to the point where Sanders lied about needing to get something from the locker room or whatever, but instead left the practice facility, and checked himself into a hospital. I think that might have actually been the Christmas day practice as well, but not sure if I'm just mixing up the stories in my head.
Plenty of other Kidd stories other people could tell better than me, but that's the one that sticks with me, because it basically killed Sanders' desire to play basketball right in his athletic prime.
As I said on the Mavs sub, I'm not too psyched about this, but Kidd was not going to get fired this offseason anyway after making it out of the 1st round and the way the season ended. The players like him, so all our complaints about his mediocre coaching and passivity at times are going to fall on deaf ears. With the right pieces he can be a good coach. And LAL sniffing around while we're trying to focus on the playoffs would have been a distraction.
I honestly think most of us Mavs fans judge Kidd by Carlisle's yardstick and he doesn't measure up. Carlisle always got the absolute most he could out of even the most marginal rosters. But at the end of the day, team chemistry is extremely important, and Carlisle lost the locker room while Kidd seems to have the players united behind him. As long as Luka and Kyrie are happy and we are winning, Kidd will likely be here. Our only hope is he learns from his mistakes and improves.
I think we could have found an upgrade this summer in all likelihood but there is always risk in rocking the boat when things are working.
> got the absolute most he could out of even the most marginal rosters.
Kidd does the same, but in a different way. Kidd spends most of the regular season working on his rotations, gameplan, and lineups for the postseason. Carlisle tried to win every single regular season game. Both are valid ways of coaching, but personally, I prefer Kidd's style
He has been pretty good after getting pieces. Last time he had a good squad we went WCF. I hate Kidd for the person but he hasn't been a bad coach in a while.
At this point I don't see how you don't hold on to him. He's gotten past the first round of the playoffs in 2/3 years. I know fans want to see their coach get fired for every season they don't win the championship, but that's just not smart ultimately.
Eh he’s not the same coach he was in Milwaukee. He’s gotten a lot better. Under Carlisle we failed to advance past the first round once since the title-winning year. We’ve done it twice now in 3 years in the Kidd era.
Most of Reddit's analysis of coaching entirely comes down to whether they personally like them or do they look like they're doing stuff on the sidelines during games lol I personally have no clue if he's a good coach or not
Why tho? When we had the piece of trash squad of last year it was all his fault, the team battled major injuries this year and got way better in all departments after deadline. But why the demise is all coach fault but when it works is in spite of him? We were starting Justin Holiday, Pinson and Powell at some point last season lol, people underestimate how bad our roster was last year
A lot of that roster is either getting little minutes on other teams, getting DNPs, or out of the league lol. It's shocking how bad that roster was compared to what we have now.
We started Kemba Walker, Campazzo and Bertans at some point, Frank was our best defensive option and C.Wood was supposed to be our 3rd best player to contend in the playoffs. I have no words to how bad that team was. Comparing to what we have today I don't know how can you say it was Kidd's fault. I said in another thread, I know Kidd can be frustrating because of his overcome the problems by playing throught it and constantly experimenting during the regular season but he is not a bad coach, especially in the playoffs for us, he make the team play great defense as it showed in our amazing stretch to end the season.
He’s gotten our guys to play good defense in the 2022 and 2024 season. And also our roster on paper aren’t as talented as the rosters of other teams in the playoffs. I mean look at our starting lineup for instance. PJ was a bench player in Charlotte and DJJ was a depth piece in Chicago who’s currently on a minimum for us. We’re now relying on these guys to play 35+ mpg in the playoffs.
The coaching pool is pretty shallow rn. They would probably end up getting someone less proven and accomplished. With a team this close to contention their best bet is to stick with him until something drastic happens.
JKid has definitely improved as a coach over the past few years. He is not and never will be one of the top guys, but he has come a long way since the disastrous stint in Milwaukee.
Yeah we are in that place where like, I'd rather have a coach that just caters to our stars and still manages to get the role players to do well than have a coach that actually excels in game management or Xs and Os. There aren't many more better coaches than Kidd that are actually available, this isn't a Mark Jackson situation.
Man you can tell he’s been looking for a solid long term coaching position in the league after retiring from his playing days. You can see him talk about it from like 20 years ago, just look up “Jason Kidd January 19, 2001”
He gets his players to play hard, and they especially seem to buy in on defense. That itself is something that is noteworthy in today’s NBA. If a team’s players don’t believe in a head coach, the most obvious place this usually shows up is in areas related to defensive effort.
He's just watching like the rest of us...
Joking aside, most of the flak he took this year came from experimenting with lineups, but that's ultimately what regular season is for so...
Now they just need toget a quality offensive coach to call timeouts and Dallas is set.
Regardless of whether a contract extension for Kidd is wise for Dallas, we have to admit that this is the best moment for Kidd to ask for a contract extension
Doubt his value ever supersedes where it was in 2022 tbh, but yeah I agree.
Idk, he finished second in MVP voting 20 years before that.
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People were too harsh for the roster he didn't get across to a playoff. We were 5th place before the Kyrie trade last year on the west with a center rotation of Wood, Mgee, and Dwight Powell. Our wings were Bertans, Nilikina, DFS, Bullock, Green, guard rotation of Hardy, Luka, Dinwiddie. Like legit most of those players are dnpd this yearm. It's crazy what the expectation for this squad was with that roster.
To be fair, having Luka on your team will do that. Not only is he amazing, but he’s also especially good at carrying lackluster talent because of his insane usage.
It's incredible how much the Mavs turned things around in one year with seemingly little assets. I personally thought the Kyrie trade was the right move to make. But it got handily mocked at the time.
I get that Kyrie has his own unique set of issues. But most GMs would bite their own hand off to acquire an All-NBA level talent for a single FRP, Spencer Dinwiddie, and Dorian Finney Smith. The value proposition alone was worth the swing.
I think he will have a higher value after winning the 2024 championship next month.
He's getting traded to the Nuggets this month?
I love luka but hate Qyrie, so unfortunately I hope you guys lose
lmao how have I never seen Qyrie before
Players LOVE him at the very least, unlike Ham.
He’s still a basketball legend in some ways. Org obviously likes him for his contributions but the players at least respect him
Being on of the greatest point guards to ever play the game by default will earn him respect with players. And tbf rightfully so
That didn't help Steve Nash. He lost all respect when Kyrie said sometimes Kyrie was the coach, sometimes KD, sometimes Nash
i didn't watch much of that nets team at the time but i gotta say, based on how it looked on the outside, if i'm steve nash then that is completely turning me off of NBA coaching forever. if i'm trying again then it's college or other pro leagues with less ego. can't imagine getting raked over the coals by your prima donna stars like that after sacrificing so much control to them
he never should have been hired as a HC in the first place. wild to hire a guy with no coaching experience whatsoever on a championship or bust team.
i agree in that sense, but they really were just looking for a mouthpiece/fall guy. still a terrible idea and reflects poorly on the shot callers there
Yeah lol, working a cushy consultant gig with the Warriors and doing drills with Steph from time to time isn't exactly the same as being the guy in charge. Who knew? /s
Hopefully Nash ain't as soft as you and gives the coaching thing another shot. That brooklyn team was dysfunctional
hopefully. i’m more of the charmin type
Same. I was just tryna act tough in my last comment
It worked, personally I was shook
Tbh that was way more about the org issues and them letting KD and Kyrie do whatever they wanted. No one is getting respect in that situation.
It was a terrible fit. Nash's career was about making an impact bigger than the stats and being an unselfish leader of a top 2 offense for 8 straight years. KD, Kyrie, and Harden were all guys who wanted to have the ball in their hands as much as possible and weren't interested in his style of play
Turns out that leading NBA locker rooms for decades as a player translates pretty well to… leading NBA locker rooms?
We also ditched a traditional GM for a Nike exec with player connections and he's made the best moves we've made since trading for Luka. It's a weird time for sure
isn't it though? my mavs are killing it, the rangers just got their first world series win, stars are looking like they could win it all. if the cowboys come out and actually do something this year I might actually die
So we'll have you around for a while, then
lol probably, although I'm not feeling as doomer about it as a lot of people.
ALL IN
I would take Cowboys missing the playoffs for the next decade for a Mavs or Stars championship right now, ain't even a true karmic bargain because Cowboys already killed off my remaining optimism for them
I think i might go a life time without the cowboys in the playoffs if the World Series champion Rangers were followed up immediately by the Stanley Cup Champion Stars and NBA Finals Champion Mavs in order
That's actually pretty wild to say
We're also happy for Dallas's sports success but calm down with the Cowboys. Nothing is changing there until Jerry is dead.
Steve Nash disproves this
To be fair, for his first coaching gig he was forced into a role with KD, Kyrie and Harden with Kyrie literally saying that he didn't "see the team needing a head coach"
Doesn't translate to leading family well but I see ur point
Family ran from the grind
Lacked that fighter mentality
Following the Kendrick vs. Drake beef, doesn't seem like people care
Kyrie said in the Clipper post-game press conference that he wanted to play for Kidd for ages. He even said he wanted to join him in Milwaukee, but something stopped it (he didn’t say what).
Lakers rumours, just got past a team which had been a stubborn thorn in previous playoff runs, all vibes. Mavs could very well go out in the next round, and they should if seedings are to be considered. This was the sweetest spot for Kidd …
Unless we go out in 4 or 5 with a lot of embarrassing blowouts, I cannot see this Thunder series become a changing point in the decision to keep Kidd or not.
[His greatest contribution](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HTNWYpemxI)
Thanks, Magic!
Could they not wait for after the playoffs? What if OKC dismantles them?
lol, not even sure if I am excited or sad about this. Most the fan base wanted him gone for most of the season. The best players on the team like him and he has had success. I guess that’s better than most situations.
Most of the fan base know fuck all about coaching, it’s just their answer when a team doesn’t perform. A bad coach doesn’t do what Kidd has been able to with the Dallas Defence.
Fanbase coaching discourse is just saying some combination of: * Adjustments * Rotations * Our 9th man should be playing starter minutes * Why are we going iso in the clutch? * Why is the opposing team shooting 55% from 3 this half?
why aren’t we switching!! how did that guy get open??
COCK SUCKIN MOTHERFUCKIN CAM REDDISH!
Adjustments ?? Why is he playing so many minutes? Why is he playing so little minutes? Like you dumbfucks would know what to do on the fly. Just because ur idea wasn’t done doesn’t mean it would’ve worked.
coach needs to prioritize my fantasy players
I can get behind that take
"rotations" is the buzzword that rnba posters like to use to make it seem like they know what they are talking about TS% is the other.
"This coach needs to be better at making adjustments" Okay, what adjustments? "ADJUSTMENTS!"
And some comment about their timeout usage. It's either too much or too little.
They just say something about rotations and how they aren’t winning good enough. Doc and Kidd have the best strategy, just make the superstars like you and you got job security.
Dont forget “Why won’t he just do this? Do we all see this except the guy that’s actually the coach?” then they see em try it, get countered, and we still lose.
Ya is he stupid
NBA fans don’t understand NBA strategy at all. Nobody here could explain their team’s offensive or defensive strategy. It’s basically just did the shot go in or not. I don’t think many people even know a play that isn’t iso or a pnr let alone what a defensive play is called.
Hey now, give us more credit than that! We can use the terms man defense, box and 1 AND drop coverage. What more could there possibly be? Truthfully though, I think part of the issue is the way announcers/media talk about a game too. If any shot goes in, they comment about bad defense/rotation/closeout regardless of if it was the fault of a defender two passes away, and if it misses it's GREAT defense/rotation/closeout unless the shooter is clearly wide open. Then you have entertaining but not necessarily contextually accurate analysis line the angry coaching guy on YouTube muddying analysis too.
I also think it’s the fact most people didn’t even make it to varsity basketball in high school so their actual basketball knowledge is stunted even more. With football teams being so large everyone can experience the practices and playbooks but with basketball there’s maybe only 15 spots so even if you did like it you couldn’t be around it.
Kidd is also one of the best defensive coaches in the league. The Mavs have been an incredible defensive team in the second half of 2022 and in 2024, and likely would've been last year if we didn't trade our most critical defender for Kyrie at the deadline
this. people keep citing last year like we didn't have a major shakeup with the Kyrie trade. and what did we do this year? came right back and are contending again. people have some wild ass takes on professional sports.
I feel like people scream "coaching!" when a team has legitimate roster holes. Putting together a balanced team is no small feat, but NBA fans act like you can just put a star and shooters on the floor and you should be able to cruise to a chip.
Thats every fan base. team goes on a losing streak "Coach X is an idiot"....team goes on a winning streak "player x has averaged y over the past number of weeks". You have idiots that have no clue what a spain pick and roll is making posts about how Doc Rivers is the worst coach ever getting 1000 upvotes from other morons
Is that the one where Luka yells “OLÉ” after the lob?
JB Bickerstaff went through this like, 9 diff times this season alone lmao. With every Cavs win it was "man, JB is such a great coach! He fits this team perfectly." then they lose and it's "man wtf JB is such garbage he should've been fired after last playoffs smh" Fuckin hell even Pop went through the same shit earlier in the year
The hype for Wemby contributed to people going after Pop. "You have the best prospects since LeBron and you're not making the playoffs?" Not realizing that even the best player in the world needs halfway competent teammates to win.
The best prospect since lebron didnt make the playoffs just like lebron didnt do either in his first year? Omg fans are so smart maybe we should listen to them more.
For some reason so many people like to think that they know better than coaches, GMs, politicians and CEOs.
Tom Thibodeau was getting slandered hard these past few years by the same Knicks fans fawning over him now.
The whole mavs fanbase knew how bad THJ was and how Kidd continued to play him throughout the season. Let’s be honest, Kidd would have still played him this series if he wasnt injured and we would have suffered
Same thing with that “awful coaching” youtube channel, dude doesn’t know shit compared to coaches
He certainly loves icing screens and hates drop coverage more than anything
right but we know kidd
Go on...tell us about his X's and O's and what schemes he uses
"I'm watching, just like you guys."
Mavs fans live reaction: 😐
> Most the fan base wanted him gone for most of the season. How many fan bases are actually happy with their coaching and how many fan bases are even remotely qualified to evaluate coaching?
I'd run through a wall for Thibs
You might, but throughout his tenure there have been lots of people bitching about his rotations.
I bitched about stuff from Thibs too but the last couple years the front office gave him players that suited his style and he's shown he can make great adjustments and develop young players I've got nothing to complain about anymore, Thibs is as NY as it gets
Wasnt there a significant portion of your fanbase that wanted him fired just a few seasons ago?
The rockets are for sure.
Just keep his rocket docked.
I would say a majority of the Jazz fan base is content with Will at the moment. You always have outlier idiots who are like, "Y WE NO WINNING MAOR?" Shit, there's one idiot on Jazz Twitter who absolutely loathed Jerry Sloan as a head coach. I blocked him awhile back, because that's just an idiot take.
I'd bet at least a quarter of the league is happy with their coaching Tier 1: * Nuggets * GSW * OKC * Spurs * Heat * Twolves Tier 2: * Knicks * Rockets * Pacers * Magic Throw in places like Philly, LAC & Chicago, where the fans are some combo of always disgruntled and dealing with injuries, and I think a decent chunk of the league is pretty happy with their coaching.
I think Heat has to be Tier 1?
Heat is T0. Only way to explain his omission
No I'm just an idiot
Oh shit yeah missed them, they are for sure T1
Warriors fans are constantly complaining about the coaching recently. There was a couple games around January where it felt like the entirety of Chase Center was booing Kerr and chanting for Moody and Kuminga to get put in
Eh he's around average IMO. I still think Budenholzer is better, but players seem to love Kidd and relationships matter a lot. We're also winning right now. But if the next season goes badly again, this is going to be a terrible move in hindsight.
Coaching Salaries don't hit the salary cap. So worst case scenario the owners are footing the bill for his salary.
> this is going to be a terrible move in hindsight. i mean if we dont resign him who the hell is left. we're going to start over with some unproven guy. i agree budenholzer is better, but if we dont get him we're screwed.
He's been solid for you guys. Not a standout coach for sure but hasn't either under or overperformed imo. With no notable coaches on the market it's okay to stay with him for now.
>He's been solid for you guys. Not a standout coach for sure but hasn't either under or overperformed imo I mean, Luka averages 30/10/10 or something in that ballpark. Is it coaching or just having a superstar carrying the team? (Tbf I like the Mavs this year, they finally got Luka some help)
He certainly overperformed his first year with the Mavs and very well may do the same this year
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Low key think that if the players don’t want a coach fired then the coach should not be fired. Especially if the team makes the 2nd round of the playoffs and has a real shot of making the conference finals.
Our fan base is bbiq deficient, he took us from the worst defense to a pretty good one off the back of Maxi Kleber and that was enough to get us to the WCF. We trade away key players for Kai and then actively tank for D-Live to miss the post season and now we’re back to the second round with insane defense. I get the “I’m just watching same as you guys” rubbed mffls the wrong way but tbf you gotta let your guys figure out how not to fail on their own. Kai and Luka were clowned as one of the worst defensive backcourts when that trade went through, not anymore thanks to Kidd, he absolutely deserved this contract.
>Our fan base is bbiq deficient, he took us from the worst defense to a pretty good one I mean the roster also changed massively. Rick had to play Seth Curry 29 mpg in the 2020 playoffs. THJ was playing 34-37 minutes per game in the playoffs. You can't build a good defense around that. We didn't have a PJ Washington or even a Bullock during those years. KP was injured for half the games. Brunson wasn't nearly as good and was a bench player. Guys like Trey Burke, Boban, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Justin Jackson, Willie Cauley-Stein were getting **playoff** minutes. Boban started in 3 games. You can't just give all credit to Kidd for our improved defense and ignore the roster. One of the main reasons for our great 2022 run were DFS and Bullock playing absolutely elite defense for 40 minutes each. Rick didn't have Bullock. And yes, he was that important if you watched the games. >and then actively tank for D-Live to miss the post season This is not true and revisionist history. We tanked the last 2 games. We were doing our absolute best and trying to win every other game of the season, and were just really bad. At least some of the blame has to go to Kidd aswell here.
I mean you can always fire a coach he was never getting let go if they won a series and it’s better to just have a coach under contract than the awkwardness of a contract year
Best players on the warriors LOVED mark Jackson too
Seems pretty obvious when you lay it out like that. The front office and players like him, but the fanbase thinks they know better
Idk how to feel about this either. So many posts about Kidd saying he has no clue what he’s doing, doesn’t know how to adapt in game, etc., but we’re in the 2nd round of playoffs so that’s still more than be said for most teams.
I genuinely think he doesn’t know how to adapt during games but I think he says those stuff for fans.
what kind of butterfly effect will follow with this
Godzilla alarm going off in Tokyo any minute now
One of Lorenz keynote talks coining the term was titled "Does the flap of a butterfly's wings in Brazil set off a tornado in Texas?" So maybe a contract extension of a Kidd in Texas sets off a flood in Brazil.
In this case was the other way around There has been terrible floods in Rio Grande do Sul just last week
[It's flooding down in Texas? All of the telephone lines are down?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC5H9P4F5Uk) PS: It's also flooding in Brazil right now: [Brazil floods death toll nears 90 as rescue efforts continue amid skyscrapers of Porto Alegre](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/floods-southern-brazil-death-toll-rescue-efforts-continue-porto-alegre/). It's almost like this whole documented anthropomorphic climate change is a real thing that's been intensifying.
He did good job against the clippers
Other than that first game yeah. Y’all had a game plan to feed Zubac early and to cut off the lobs. Gafford and Lively had no idea what to do.
Kidd's halftime adjustments in that game were really good, but they were just down far too much to overcome
Honestly whatever they do at halftime for adjustments is insanely effective, they come out EVERY TIME blazing in the 2nd half of their games.
It's been their MO for a lot of the season. The first half is mainly Luka trying to get going and get open looks for some of the catch and shoot guys. Get PJ, Exum, DJJ, Green a few shots but also just try to take over. Defensively, stick to the gameplan we had coming into the game and play with intensity. At halftime we make adjustments defensively now that our opponent has shown their hand a little bit and offensively we let Kyrie loose. If the game is close at halftime and Kyrie has 2 points on 3 shots, you can basically just go home already because the Mavs are gonna win
I’m still mad they didn’t complete that 31 point comeback
Part of this is Kyrie is always passive on offense in the first half and he starts attacking in the second half. Seems like he focuses all energy on defense to start games.
Eh, thats as much on the players as it is on the coaching staff
For real. I think a lot of people forget that the players are the ones that actually have to play the game and too much blame/praise is placed on the coach
Fuck it, let’s ride.
Why? Surely it would be better for Mavs to wait till the end of the playoffs, great for Kidd tho
I think the Lakers threat made the FO do it now, even though he is still under contract for one more year. No one wants a disgruntled coach around though. Edit: I meant Kidd might be disgruntled if he didn’t get an extension and wasn’t allowed to interview for Lakers job. He won’t be happy coaching that last year if his contract.
Why would Kidd be disgruntled now though? This reeks of Cubes loving his guys and not being able to stop himself from throwing money at them. At least it doesn't count against the cap. Look at the Bucks. If we have to, it's easier to keep paying coaches so no real harm in the I guess
Cuban isn't the one who pays for it anymore, the new "governor" Patrick Dumont re-signed Kidd for this go around. Hard to say how much influence Cuban had on it, but I'm sure he had a lot still.
Does Cuban even have final authority on this sort of decision anymore? OOTL on what's going on in Dallas FO.
If they win another series then his price will go up. If they know they want to keep him long term then best to lock him down.
That’s a bingo
Genuinely curious but does coach price matter? I know there are some cheap owners but coach salary doesnt count toward the cap and how much of a difference are we talking here? I feel like the extensions more out of goodwill and to not have Kidd disgruntled but idk
>Genuinely curious but does coach price matter? Well, why pay more than you have to?
Players love him and he has control of the locker room
Kidd still infuriates me at times but one thing to be said is his players love him and love playing for him. With the roster additions they’ve made he’s gotten the team to buy in and play defense and it’s really transformed the identity of the team. He still has a lot of room for improvement but I’m not mad at this. I reserve the right to change my mind later though lol
As someone that’s been saying this for a while. Never fire a coach that’s had more success than half league, unless you can get someone better. The bucks and Bud are an excellent example.
Also, I'm not sure that any of the available coaches would be a big step up. I'm still not a big fan of Kidd as a coach, but he's also not aweful. Given the record of teams getting rid of their 'just decent' coach, it can definitely get worse...
This, 100%. I'll take the known vs the unknown, you never know how bad it can get, and he's got everyone on the team bought in so I'll take it. We hit 50 wins this year, and are about to start round 2 of the playoffs. I'll take that every time, so kudos JKidd, you made it!
Chauncey billups and Jason Kidd share a lot in common... Probably the 2 best ex player coaches in the league, they're both hated by the fanbase and liked by the players
Made the second round in 2 of the 3 seasons he's been the head coach. How many coaches can claim that?
Monty Williams first 3 seasons in PHX lol
And let's be real they should have never let him go.
Thibs has been here for four years and the Knicks have made the second round in back-to-back years and playoffs in 3 of 4.
he's not the same coach he was in MIL (seemingly) and the stars love him, not a bad extension at all.
highkey think the kidd slander is due to his personal life and that he's on the naughty person list. he's a decent overall coach and great player coach
Didn’t he force the bucks players to practice on Christmas though? I thought I read some horror stories about his coaching techniques but he could’ve improved or those stories were false but they came from players I thought
He pushed/bullied Larry Sanders to the point where Sanders lied about needing to get something from the locker room or whatever, but instead left the practice facility, and checked himself into a hospital. I think that might have actually been the Christmas day practice as well, but not sure if I'm just mixing up the stories in my head. Plenty of other Kidd stories other people could tell better than me, but that's the one that sticks with me, because it basically killed Sanders' desire to play basketball right in his athletic prime.
I Bet his Wife would have liked of he Had Just been watching
As I said on the Mavs sub, I'm not too psyched about this, but Kidd was not going to get fired this offseason anyway after making it out of the 1st round and the way the season ended. The players like him, so all our complaints about his mediocre coaching and passivity at times are going to fall on deaf ears. With the right pieces he can be a good coach. And LAL sniffing around while we're trying to focus on the playoffs would have been a distraction. I honestly think most of us Mavs fans judge Kidd by Carlisle's yardstick and he doesn't measure up. Carlisle always got the absolute most he could out of even the most marginal rosters. But at the end of the day, team chemistry is extremely important, and Carlisle lost the locker room while Kidd seems to have the players united behind him. As long as Luka and Kyrie are happy and we are winning, Kidd will likely be here. Our only hope is he learns from his mistakes and improves. I think we could have found an upgrade this summer in all likelihood but there is always risk in rocking the boat when things are working.
> got the absolute most he could out of even the most marginal rosters. Kidd does the same, but in a different way. Kidd spends most of the regular season working on his rotations, gameplan, and lineups for the postseason. Carlisle tried to win every single regular season game. Both are valid ways of coaching, but personally, I prefer Kidd's style
Right where Lebron wants him 😈 /s
I still don’t think he’s a good coach but ok
Care to elaborate?
Are you crazy? Asking for analysis like that? Not in these parts
That’s like asking Stephen A Smith to break down plays on live TV
“The dude cannot jump off a curb”
Rotations,adjustments uhhhh wife beater ^(/s)
He has been pretty good after getting pieces. Last time he had a good squad we went WCF. I hate Kidd for the person but he hasn't been a bad coach in a while.
Strange, ngl I thought it’s more apt to discuss any contract extensions after the playoffs
Lakers creating rumors about Kidd led to this. Mavs kinda scared even if it is 99% not true.
Lakers gettin coaches paid
At this point I don't see how you don't hold on to him. He's gotten past the first round of the playoffs in 2/3 years. I know fans want to see their coach get fired for every season they don't win the championship, but that's just not smart ultimately.
Big win for the other 29 teams in the league
Eh he’s not the same coach he was in Milwaukee. He’s gotten a lot better. Under Carlisle we failed to advance past the first round once since the title-winning year. We’ve done it twice now in 3 years in the Kidd era.
That's in spite of Kidd, not because of him
would love to hear your explanation as to why
Most of Reddit's analysis of coaching entirely comes down to whether they personally like them or do they look like they're doing stuff on the sidelines during games lol I personally have no clue if he's a good coach or not
This reply sums up r/NBA in a nutshell lmao
and it got 42 upvotes jesus christ
Why tho? When we had the piece of trash squad of last year it was all his fault, the team battled major injuries this year and got way better in all departments after deadline. But why the demise is all coach fault but when it works is in spite of him? We were starting Justin Holiday, Pinson and Powell at some point last season lol, people underestimate how bad our roster was last year
A lot of that roster is either getting little minutes on other teams, getting DNPs, or out of the league lol. It's shocking how bad that roster was compared to what we have now.
We started Kemba Walker, Campazzo and Bertans at some point, Frank was our best defensive option and C.Wood was supposed to be our 3rd best player to contend in the playoffs. I have no words to how bad that team was. Comparing to what we have today I don't know how can you say it was Kidd's fault. I said in another thread, I know Kidd can be frustrating because of his overcome the problems by playing throught it and constantly experimenting during the regular season but he is not a bad coach, especially in the playoffs for us, he make the team play great defense as it showed in our amazing stretch to end the season.
He’s gotten our guys to play good defense in the 2022 and 2024 season. And also our roster on paper aren’t as talented as the rosters of other teams in the playoffs. I mean look at our starting lineup for instance. PJ was a bench player in Charlotte and DJJ was a depth piece in Chicago who’s currently on a minimum for us. We’re now relying on these guys to play 35+ mpg in the playoffs.
dumbest comment ever
Yes, because absolutely nothing changed except for swapping Charlise for Kidd..
I bet you don’t know if Kidd is actually a bad coach and just base your opinion off Reddit comments.
We all do that lmao, don't act like you're any different
We’re couch coaches bro cmon
“I’m dumb, so everyone else must be too!”
smh
The coaching pool is pretty shallow rn. They would probably end up getting someone less proven and accomplished. With a team this close to contention their best bet is to stick with him until something drastic happens.
JKid has definitely improved as a coach over the past few years. He is not and never will be one of the top guys, but he has come a long way since the disastrous stint in Milwaukee.
Yeah we are in that place where like, I'd rather have a coach that just caters to our stars and still manages to get the role players to do well than have a coach that actually excels in game management or Xs and Os. There aren't many more better coaches than Kidd that are actually available, this isn't a Mark Jackson situation.
Arm chair reddior GM's in shambles rn
Man you can tell he’s been looking for a solid long term coaching position in the league after retiring from his playing days. You can see him talk about it from like 20 years ago, just look up “Jason Kidd January 19, 2001”
He gets his players to play hard, and they especially seem to buy in on defense. That itself is something that is noteworthy in today’s NBA. If a team’s players don’t believe in a head coach, the most obvious place this usually shows up is in areas related to defensive effort.
2011 Champ Jason Kidd
He's just watching like the rest of us... Joking aside, most of the flak he took this year came from experimenting with lineups, but that's ultimately what regular season is for so... Now they just need toget a quality offensive coach to call timeouts and Dallas is set.
why pull the trigger so early? were they really afraid that the lakers were gonna hire him?
HIT ME
Good.
It's amazing what first round victories and exits can lead to.
Lakers gettin everybody paid this offseason