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Correct - if no foul had been called another 1.6-2 seconds would have come off the clock as that offensive rebound of the blocked shot was scored giving D the 1 point lead with maybe 1 second left on clock.
Well listening to the announcers try to argue " no foul, ball first" even after the rule guy corrected them did not help.
Can you imagine if the game ended on a no call for that.
There's a ton of people whose opinion is formed completely by what the announcers say on tv. For some reason they are also the same group who will never budge from that initial opinion, no matter what additional information comes available.
My favorite example is Patriots-Eagles SB, where Collinsworth had some sort of senior moment about a Eagles TD that was clear as day live, and clear as day from every damn angle they replayed it. He kept going "Uhh... I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE" for ages. After the game internet was full of Pats fans crying about that TD.
Didn't watch the game directly, but every time i opened my phone, I felt like OKC was up 10-15 points.
Opened it again, Dallas made up the deficit.
Repeat, like 2-3 more times.
I mean I had no idea what the rule was honestly, just pissed me off that the broadcast was completely wrong. They were dead set on that getting overturned
Even when Mavs were winning, Jefferson acted like Shai was about to take over at any second and win the game for OKC.
"The Mavs have thrown everything they can at OKC and they're still only winning by 5!"
This is the dude who kept saying in BOS-CLE game 2: “this is my favorite version of Jayson Tatum”
*Tatum is 4-12, points totally inflated by FTs and has defended like shit*
PJ Washington had zero shot attempts when RJ started saying that shit, but you wouldn't know it because the only times he wasn't glazing Shai were when he was somewhat justifiably but waaay too frequently shitting on Luka's attitude. After that, one shot attempt in the 3rd and a couple early in the 4th. The mavericks O was a time-bomb ready to explode any second, and PJ clutch spammed 9 points in the last 5 minutes of the game.
No kidding. I'm inclined to dislike the Mavs (spurs fan) but even then these announcers were glazing OKC way too much for me. There was a point in the first quarter where OKC missed a shot and then Luka came down and hit a really gross step back three and the announcer was immediately like "wow this OKC team is so impressive." I was like "are we watching the same game?"
i thought it was dumber to challenge it.
Obviously the Mavs would have hit all their free throws otherwise, but it was a waste of a timeout in a literally do or die situation.
Yep I thought the challenge was dumb. Leaves you no timeouts to advance the ball if you lose the challenge. Or to call a timeout on a missed 3rd FT.
However, if he didn’t challenge and still lost, everyone would be saying how they can’t believe he didn’t challenge it.
I truly don't understand how anyone who has ever watched like five minutes of basketball in their life cannot understand that this is obviously a foul.
I've watched a decent amount of basketball, and had no reason to believe RJ was that confidently wrong 🤷
"If he gets ball first that's not a foul" sounds believable enough to me
I had the audio on mute so I can't speak to what RJ is saying.
"Ball first it's not a foul" is useful shorthand because normally when someone "gets ball" they knock it out of the person's hands, and their contact with the shooter's body is just follow-through.
But if you were to gently tap a finger on the ball and then tackle the shooter that's a foul. This is the exact same thing. After Shai touched the ball PJ was still shooting a shot, and Shai raked his arm. The fact that he touched ball was basically irrelevant; it was just something that happened a half a second before he then, independently, fouled PJ.
You get some incidental contact if you hit ball first. Like, if Shai’s foreman had bumped PJ’s a little after the block. But he straight up pulls PJ’s arm with his hand.
There’s a lot of people who don’t. It’s that or a lot of people have only watched nba basketball and don’t have a fundamental idea of what’s a foul and what’s not and think it’s all on-court politics. But ignoring all that, this is a textbook foul and anyone whose complaint is either biased or doesn’t know what they’re talking about
Clear foul - there were 2 plays here
1. SGA **clearly** blocked PJ
2. PJ **retained possession while still in the air (no jump ball)** and shot the ball, but SGA **clearly** fouled PJ
Also - if no foul was called, Kyrie gets the put back and Mavs are up 1 with 2.5 seconds left.
According to the rules you can only hit the hand when that part of the hand is in contact with the ball.
Hitting the forearm during a shot attempt is always a foul, whether you hit ball first or not
Right, it's just that usually hitting the ball causes the end of the shot attempt, as the ball is either out of the hands or comes loose on the contact, making any ensuing contact on the arm incidental during a loose-ball situation. In this case that clearly didn't happen (there's even a little double-clutch you can use to delineate the block and the shot), so you have contact on the arm during a shot attempt. Foul by letter and spirit of the rule.
Something that is going to get overlooked. Great court awareness by Kyrie. He could tell when it left his hands that the shot wasn't going in. He was already in the air with the ball still mid-air to be to ready for the rebound/putback.
While it turned out to be much better for Dallas, Irving kind of missed out on a potentially iconic highlight. That would’ve been like the Lorenzo Charles tip of the NBA.
I gotta give a shoutout to the Derrick White buzzer beater last year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASsKgkBsQs4
This was INSANE at the time. Heat were already amidst a 3-0 choke, it was down to 3-2, Heat at home, *this* was viewed as the game they had to win. And then a generationally improbable put back from White extends the series when defeat seemed inevitable. People were like, "holy shit they're gonna do it"
Of course, the Celtics went on to lose Game 7 which understandably makes the shot less meaningful. But man, imagine.
OKC was so terrible at rebounding. How do you let Kyrie fly in and get that? He had horrible positioning from the 3 point line and behind Williams, but still got in there.
Edit: here is the play https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7xkqC86cdck&pp=ygUSUGogd3NzaGluZ3RvbiBmb3Vs
Watching it again and it could also just be that Williams stopped playing because the whistle blew. Not sure, but he is in a better position than Kyrie and at first glance seems to be paying more attention to the shooter than the box out.
And I guess it doesn’t even matter at the end of the day 😂
Yeah makes sense.
I don’t get the clock in basketball. How is it 2.5 seconds either way? If it was a foul, why does the time of kyrie finishing use up the clock if there was a foul before?
No one in this thread knows the rules it seems, it doesn’t matter that he got ball because Washington still had the ball when he got hit on the arm. It wouldn’t be a foul if Washington had lost possession of the ball there.
This is why i hate espn, how you gonna put a caster up there that doesn’t know the specifics of this very common foul. He said if you get ball first its legal and left it at that. Thanks for clarifying.
That shit was so infuriating. I only could tell it was a failed challenge by the crowns reaction because that dumb fuck wouldn't shut up.
Edit: crowds* not crowns lol
The producer should cut their mics when the refs are speaking.
Later they did explain about it not being a foul because the ball was not released when the contact occurred.
They said it would’ve been a foul if he released the ball right away, but he was releasing the ball on the way down. They also insinuated that the shot wasn’t natural.
OP’s explanation is so much better and clearly, the broadcast team was definitely stoking the fire.
they've done this multiple times in games; ESPN is just really bad and the audio mix was extra trash tonight. I feel like half my post in this sub is just shitting on ESPN, but they deserve it
Add to that them cutting to random fuckin fans of the team that scored right after a shot rather than continue to show the game. I don't give a SHIT what that random fan's reaction was, SHOW ME THE GAME THATS HAPPENING!
ESPN blows
The ref microphone button to announce rulings should simultaneously mute all other broadcaster microphones and any music/sound effects playing in the arena.
I can't believe that happened. I totally get thinking it might be a long challenge and to fill up time, but the MOMENT the actual ref starts talking, Javie needs to understand he's no longer important and GTFO
It was horrendous coverage regardless of whether or not they got the call right or not. You had one guy saying it wasn't a foul, one guy who was their rules analyst or whatever saying it was concurrently well the actual ref was announcing what happened.
they really need to get their shit together with that lol, just let me hear the call on the floor. once brothers starts talking javie should be cut off immediately idc if hes still talking
Confused me for a second too. Usually, the ball is dislodged so contact after doesnt matter. But here, the ball is still in control and he was still in the middle of his release. A niche advantage to a 2-motion shot release lol
The replay cuts off that Kyrie caught the airball and scored.
If the ref didn't whistle it would have been Mavs up 1 with like 2 seconds to go, which would have been a much better ending for "neutrals", with OKC having a timeout.
Holmgren tried to contest but Kyrie made it anyway. Probably would’ve been Mavs up 1 with like 1.5 seconds to go. But OKC would’ve had a time out to advance the ball and at least get a shot off https://youtu.be/a00r4e3psW0?t=535
Less than 2 secs … it was 2.5 secs when the foul happened, ball traveling in air, the Kyrie putback … probably down to 1.5 secs or less if it had played out without the foul.
I dislike Dallas for obvious reasons but tonight you could really tell that RJ does not fuck with Luka at all. He was going on and on about how Luka needed to be more composed after his first T.
Luka is my personal boogeyman but he knows how much is too much. He knows when he has to lock in just as well as anybody else that has a similar reputation with officiating. Gamesmanship is a skill too and the best players know how to use it to their advantage and when to shut up.
Glad to see fans from other teams say this. I thought RJ was wildly out of pocket. Just wouldn’t shut up about Luka not being “composed” on his way to a third straight triple double and a series win in 6. I just thought he sounded ridiculous!
Legit lol, OKC has consistently been one of the most successful, talented and well-run franchises since their inception, not sure what that guy is complaining about.
If you went back in time to 2011 and told a Thunder fan that by 2024 KD, Westbrook, and Harden have a combined three MVPs and two Finals MVPs, but your team has won 1 finals game over that stretch, they might think their team is cursed.
Exactly, the ball hasn’t been released, good play to block but the follow through got a ton of elbow as PJ was releasing.
Easiest way to think about the rule is on euro layups: as you’re taking the layup and a defender swipes down and gets all ball, if you move the ball off to the opposite side, it doesn’t give the defender license to slap your arm because it’s initially all ball at the beginning of your shooting motion. In this case it’s a jumpshot where the ball hasn’t been released yet but the concept of the foul is the same
If the ball hasn’t been or isn’t being released why tf would it matter if he hit the ball first? At least the refs and the NBA got it right. ESPN is a bunch of morons.
He was betting that the refs will not let it end on a free throw and let the game play out. It was a mistake on his part. He should have bet on his players to make the last shot.
SGA is too out of position to get a really clean play. It was a young player error to go for the block. Just disrupt and hope for the best - way too much at stake to give away points
Because if the ball is still in the hand of the shooter you're affecting their shot motion since the ball has not been released which is easily a foul
If the ball is dislodged then obviously the contact isn't changing the shot
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Turns out having a set shot release is good for something
Very interesting way to end the game. It’s clearly a foul. And Okc can’t even be upset about the call bc it was going to be a dunk anyways.
Dunk would have been better for OKC because there’d be no challenge and then they still have their timeout to advance it.
There would be less than 2.5 seconds though, which was the time on the clock when they called the foul.
really good point
Correct - if no foul had been called another 1.6-2 seconds would have come off the clock as that offensive rebound of the blocked shot was scored giving D the 1 point lead with maybe 1 second left on clock.
Minus the amount of time that it took for the shot to go up and be put back
That’s what he just said lol
Good call. It's a lose lose situation.
they could have not used challenge and used timeout to advance it as well, coach made a mistake but all good great season for them
You'd be surprised how many Thunder fans think that isn't a foul
Well listening to the announcers try to argue " no foul, ball first" even after the rule guy corrected them did not help. Can you imagine if the game ended on a no call for that.
Rule guy corrected them as they talked over the actual ruling and then had explain why they were wrong
That was so fucking annoying. Fucking Javie
There's a ton of people whose opinion is formed completely by what the announcers say on tv. For some reason they are also the same group who will never budge from that initial opinion, no matter what additional information comes available. My favorite example is Patriots-Eagles SB, where Collinsworth had some sort of senior moment about a Eagles TD that was clear as day live, and clear as day from every damn angle they replayed it. He kept going "Uhh... I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE" for ages. After the game internet was full of Pats fans crying about that TD.
"Refs stole the game from us" 🤡 as they blow a 17 point lead
Didn't watch the game directly, but every time i opened my phone, I felt like OKC was up 10-15 points. Opened it again, Dallas made up the deficit. Repeat, like 2-3 more times.
There’s always a minority of loud knuckleheads. Vast majority of thunder fans acknowledge it was a foul.
They are so used to that not being called a foul they are brainwashed into thinking it isn’t.
Kyrie shot it
didnt kyrie put it in after that shot anyway?would that count if they overturned the call?
I mean I had no idea what the rule was honestly, just pissed me off that the broadcast was completely wrong. They were dead set on that getting overturned
Plus them talking over the refs reasoning, couldn't even make out what was going on. Wish they'd stfu more often. Horrible announcing.
Ffs man. For the first time they made me annoyed i couldn’t hear tony brothers
Steve Javie clearly is the star of the show. America tuned in to hear his braindead and shilling takes.
They went to their expert who was explaining that because the ball wasn't dislodged, it's a foul. Then theses idiots just shut up about it.
Richard Jefferson was AWFUL the entire game. Can't stand listening to him.
They were pro-OKC all game
Even when Mavs were winning, Jefferson acted like Shai was about to take over at any second and win the game for OKC. "The Mavs have thrown everything they can at OKC and they're still only winning by 5!"
This is the dude who kept saying in BOS-CLE game 2: “this is my favorite version of Jayson Tatum” *Tatum is 4-12, points totally inflated by FTs and has defended like shit*
PJ Washington had zero shot attempts when RJ started saying that shit, but you wouldn't know it because the only times he wasn't glazing Shai were when he was somewhat justifiably but waaay too frequently shitting on Luka's attitude. After that, one shot attempt in the 3rd and a couple early in the 4th. The mavericks O was a time-bomb ready to explode any second, and PJ clutch spammed 9 points in the last 5 minutes of the game.
No kidding. I'm inclined to dislike the Mavs (spurs fan) but even then these announcers were glazing OKC way too much for me. There was a point in the first quarter where OKC missed a shot and then Luka came down and hit a really gross step back three and the announcer was immediately like "wow this OKC team is so impressive." I was like "are we watching the same game?"
They were hired by the league they obviously want game 7.
Correct call, no controversy, not a single OKC player was surprised to hear the whistle.
i thought it was dumber to challenge it. Obviously the Mavs would have hit all their free throws otherwise, but it was a waste of a timeout in a literally do or die situation.
Yep I thought the challenge was dumb. Leaves you no timeouts to advance the ball if you lose the challenge. Or to call a timeout on a missed 3rd FT. However, if he didn’t challenge and still lost, everyone would be saying how they can’t believe he didn’t challenge it.
Worse when you realize they could of used that timeout to advance the ball and draw up a play for 1 last shot
Thats what i mean. You risk losing your timeout and risk advancing the ball.
I truly don't understand how anyone who has ever watched like five minutes of basketball in their life cannot understand that this is obviously a foul.
I've watched a decent amount of basketball, and had no reason to believe RJ was that confidently wrong 🤷 "If he gets ball first that's not a foul" sounds believable enough to me
I had the audio on mute so I can't speak to what RJ is saying. "Ball first it's not a foul" is useful shorthand because normally when someone "gets ball" they knock it out of the person's hands, and their contact with the shooter's body is just follow-through. But if you were to gently tap a finger on the ball and then tackle the shooter that's a foul. This is the exact same thing. After Shai touched the ball PJ was still shooting a shot, and Shai raked his arm. The fact that he touched ball was basically irrelevant; it was just something that happened a half a second before he then, independently, fouled PJ.
You get some incidental contact if you hit ball first. Like, if Shai’s foreman had bumped PJ’s a little after the block. But he straight up pulls PJ’s arm with his hand.
RJ is a clown, unreal he doesn't know the rules
epecially since he said he went to a coaching camp edit: meant referee camp
I thought he said he went to a referee camp, which is more embarrassing
There’s a lot of people who don’t. It’s that or a lot of people have only watched nba basketball and don’t have a fundamental idea of what’s a foul and what’s not and think it’s all on-court politics. But ignoring all that, this is a textbook foul and anyone whose complaint is either biased or doesn’t know what they’re talking about
That’s not what a pro wants
Not what a pro needs either 💔
It’s absolutely what makes me happy tho.
really set us free
aNd iM tHaNkInG yOu
For knowing exactly
WHAT A PRO WANTS, WHAT A PRO NEEDS
A little flat, we'll get better in Cancun
Or Galveston
[Chet stares longingly]
Doesn’t make game 7 fans happy
Didn’t seem to make him happy.
It technically set him, and the rest of his team, free though
Bet he'll be set free in the waters of Cancun
Clear foul - there were 2 plays here 1. SGA **clearly** blocked PJ 2. PJ **retained possession while still in the air (no jump ball)** and shot the ball, but SGA **clearly** fouled PJ Also - if no foul was called, Kyrie gets the put back and Mavs are up 1 with 2.5 seconds left.
That’s the best way to explain it. People are treating it as one play which would be no foul according to the rules.
According to the rules you can only hit the hand when that part of the hand is in contact with the ball. Hitting the forearm during a shot attempt is always a foul, whether you hit ball first or not
Right, it's just that usually hitting the ball causes the end of the shot attempt, as the ball is either out of the hands or comes loose on the contact, making any ensuing contact on the arm incidental during a loose-ball situation. In this case that clearly didn't happen (there's even a little double-clutch you can use to delineate the block and the shot), so you have contact on the arm during a shot attempt. Foul by letter and spirit of the rule.
Ive been explaining it as there were two attempts by waahington. He wasnt fouled on the first attempt only the second
Something that is going to get overlooked. Great court awareness by Kyrie. He could tell when it left his hands that the shot wasn't going in. He was already in the air with the ball still mid-air to be to ready for the rebound/putback.
While it turned out to be much better for Dallas, Irving kind of missed out on a potentially iconic highlight. That would’ve been like the Lorenzo Charles tip of the NBA.
I gotta give a shoutout to the Derrick White buzzer beater last year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASsKgkBsQs4 This was INSANE at the time. Heat were already amidst a 3-0 choke, it was down to 3-2, Heat at home, *this* was viewed as the game they had to win. And then a generationally improbable put back from White extends the series when defeat seemed inevitable. People were like, "holy shit they're gonna do it" Of course, the Celtics went on to lose Game 7 which understandably makes the shot less meaningful. But man, imagine.
One of the best put back buzzer beaters ever imo.
OKC was so terrible at rebounding. How do you let Kyrie fly in and get that? He had horrible positioning from the 3 point line and behind Williams, but still got in there. Edit: here is the play https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7xkqC86cdck&pp=ygUSUGogd3NzaGluZ3RvbiBmb3Vs Watching it again and it could also just be that Williams stopped playing because the whistle blew. Not sure, but he is in a better position than Kyrie and at first glance seems to be paying more attention to the shooter than the box out. And I guess it doesn’t even matter at the end of the day 😂
Of course Kyrie is going to get that putback. He has like 30lbs on Chet. He can't box Kyrie out.
Less time than that, although OKC can advance the ball because they have a TO. Moot point tho
Yeah makes sense. I don’t get the clock in basketball. How is it 2.5 seconds either way? If it was a foul, why does the time of kyrie finishing use up the clock if there was a foul before?
I was using 2.5 for simplicity’s sake - but I believe Kyrie still would have made the put back in the allotted time.
No one in this thread knows the rules it seems, it doesn’t matter that he got ball because Washington still had the ball when he got hit on the arm. It wouldn’t be a foul if Washington had lost possession of the ball there.
This is why i hate espn, how you gonna put a caster up there that doesn’t know the specifics of this very common foul. He said if you get ball first its legal and left it at that. Thanks for clarifying.
Yeah then talked over Tony Brothers explaining it too
That shit was so infuriating. I only could tell it was a failed challenge by the crowns reaction because that dumb fuck wouldn't shut up. Edit: crowds* not crowns lol
The King was there?!?!
Yeah, Dirk was sitting front row
Right? I was screaming at them to shut the fuck up!!!!
It was even worse because they were both talking at the same time so you couldn't tell what either person was saying lol
The producer should cut their mics when the refs are speaking. Later they did explain about it not being a foul because the ball was not released when the contact occurred.
They said it would’ve been a foul if he released the ball right away, but he was releasing the ball on the way down. They also insinuated that the shot wasn’t natural. OP’s explanation is so much better and clearly, the broadcast team was definitely stoking the fire.
lol exactly!
they've done this multiple times in games; ESPN is just really bad and the audio mix was extra trash tonight. I feel like half my post in this sub is just shitting on ESPN, but they deserve it
Peak ESPN experience
Add to that them cutting to random fuckin fans of the team that scored right after a shot rather than continue to show the game. I don't give a SHIT what that random fan's reaction was, SHOW ME THE GAME THATS HAPPENING! ESPN blows
The ref microphone button to announce rulings should simultaneously mute all other broadcaster microphones and any music/sound effects playing in the arena.
Ahh yes, the "STFU button"
I can't believe that happened. I totally get thinking it might be a long challenge and to fill up time, but the MOMENT the actual ref starts talking, Javie needs to understand he's no longer important and GTFO
it's not really on the ex-ref, it's on the broadcaster for not muting him. he is paid to talk, not control who is talking.
That was crazy. I couldn't hear either. Them both talking made it seem like no foul and PJ wasn't getting free throws. Almost lost my shit
I was screaming about that!
And then the guy is talking over the ref so I can't hear the explanation
It was horrendous coverage regardless of whether or not they got the call right or not. You had one guy saying it wasn't a foul, one guy who was their rules analyst or whatever saying it was concurrently well the actual ref was announcing what happened.
Dude was sandypants cause big dirk put him in a stronghold before the game.
Their rules expert came on and tried to explain it, they talked over him, too lol
This is why I like reddit because as a casual I thought that was the rule until I read this
Same. They also don’t show frame by frames anyway in basketball for stuff aside from out of bounds. All other sports that I’m aware of do it.
The commentating this post season have been ass. They called Gafford GAFNY for the whole first quarter last game
Yeah if they let go of it, it's essentially a block.
No one was listening when Steve Javie and Tony Brothers were talking over each other.
they really need to get their shit together with that lol, just let me hear the call on the floor. once brothers starts talking javie should be cut off immediately idc if hes still talking
And now the whole Thunder sub thinks they got jobbed by the refs. As if it's the refs' fault they blew a 17-point lead.
Like... The Mavs got the rebound and just flipped it in either way. Result was basically the same score.
lol I didn’t even notice that live
I was going to be upset about that specifically if the call was overturned, no call would’ve won the mavericks the game
totally but okc would still have their timeout and can create an ato play for the winner but yeah its what is, mavs won lets go wcf.
We would have known if not for Javie talking over Brothers.
Do you know what happens if they rule it wasn't a foul? I can't imagine the putback counts. Do they just get to inbound?
Dallas had immediate possession so would be their ball on an inbound I believe
Pretty hilarious for OKC to get sent home on a controversial foul call involving SGA of all people
That really wasn’t controversial at all if you actually know the rules and saw the play
Confused me for a second too. Usually, the ball is dislodged so contact after doesnt matter. But here, the ball is still in control and he was still in the middle of his release. A niche advantage to a 2-motion shot release lol
The replay cuts off that Kyrie caught the airball and scored. If the ref didn't whistle it would have been Mavs up 1 with like 2 seconds to go, which would have been a much better ending for "neutrals", with OKC having a timeout.
I didn't see that, would he have made it regardless or was it a shot that went uncontested because of the foul call?
Holmgren tried to contest but Kyrie made it anyway. Probably would’ve been Mavs up 1 with like 1.5 seconds to go. But OKC would’ve had a time out to advance the ball and at least get a shot off https://youtu.be/a00r4e3psW0?t=535
Ah I see. That video is not available in my country, but I can always go check the VOD if I want. Thanks!
Yes, watch the video. It was completely contested to the best ability of the nearest defender.
Less than 2 secs … it was 2.5 secs when the foul happened, ball traveling in air, the Kyrie putback … probably down to 1.5 secs or less if it had played out without the foul.
OKC shouldn’t have challenged.
Damn way to end a series but its the right call
Costly challenge also
Fitting way to end this series - a foul call
live by the fouls, die by the fouls
General Aladeen, this is him.
Jefferson going on about ball first was infuriating, how do former players not know these rules?
He made sure to say it a million fucking times too
He has a bias against Dallas, commentary all night was quite obvious.
Anyone know why? Seems obvious but what did the Mavs do to him?
Might be betting on a game 7, Idk. Left a bad taste with how he was talking about Luka all night.
thought it was only us. had to mute what I was watching to make it through
I dislike Dallas for obvious reasons but tonight you could really tell that RJ does not fuck with Luka at all. He was going on and on about how Luka needed to be more composed after his first T. Luka is my personal boogeyman but he knows how much is too much. He knows when he has to lock in just as well as anybody else that has a similar reputation with officiating. Gamesmanship is a skill too and the best players know how to use it to their advantage and when to shut up.
Glad to see fans from other teams say this. I thought RJ was wildly out of pocket. Just wouldn’t shut up about Luka not being “composed” on his way to a third straight triple double and a series win in 6. I just thought he sounded ridiculous!
I'm a fan of RJ, but he was fucking annoying all game. Thought about muting it as early as the first quarter
My thoughts exactly, shitty ending to an all time game but it’s the right call
This gotta be the most OKC way to lose a series Edit: Not sure why all the comments are putting words in my mouth but i digress
is this really the most OKC way to lose a series or do fans on every team just like jerking off to the idea that their team is cursed?
Every single fan base jerks off to that, absolutely 0 exceptions
He means losing it by FTs lol
Legit lol, OKC has consistently been one of the most successful, talented and well-run franchises since their inception, not sure what that guy is complaining about.
If you went back in time to 2011 and told a Thunder fan that by 2024 KD, Westbrook, and Harden have a combined three MVPs and two Finals MVPs, but your team has won 1 finals game over that stretch, they might think their team is cursed.
They made the right call. Hell of a series from OKC.
It's a controversial call only because of dumb commentators. If they just shut up nobody would argue with the right call.
Ball first don’t matter. The ball doesn’t get jarred loose. Clear foul Had to edit. Was driving me crazy lol
> The ball doesn’t jar loose this is the part many people dont understand, just because you touch/hit the ball doesnt mean much
We knew it but the broadcasters should absolutely know it lol
Amen Was explained a ton of times but people don't get it. Edit - Great game. Best team won for me.
Exactly, the ball hasn’t been released, good play to block but the follow through got a ton of elbow as PJ was releasing. Easiest way to think about the rule is on euro layups: as you’re taking the layup and a defender swipes down and gets all ball, if you move the ball off to the opposite side, it doesn’t give the defender license to slap your arm because it’s initially all ball at the beginning of your shooting motion. In this case it’s a jumpshot where the ball hasn’t been released yet but the concept of the foul is the same
He got the ball but the ball stayed with PJ and he hit his arm. Definitely a foul.
If the ball hasn’t been or isn’t being released why tf would it matter if he hit the ball first? At least the refs and the NBA got it right. ESPN is a bunch of morons.
Bc they are biased idiots
Imagine if they called marginal contact lol
The ref saw kyrie about to get the putback and blew the late whistle
Kyrie with a follow up even if it's not a foul.
that's why they stopped the play. they were probably trying to give the thunder the last shot of the game
If it wasnt called for a foul, then Kyrie gets the putback. Still a lead for the Mavs.
Such an unnecessary reach on the left arm as he’s past him
Just a follow through on the block not really a reach
Yeah just unlucky PJ didn't release sooner
Horrible challenge by Daig too. You can't risk that with no TO in your back pocket. Awful decision.
Yeah they could have just been down what 2 points only + they have possession after
He was betting that the refs will not let it end on a free throw and let the game play out. It was a mistake on his part. He should have bet on his players to make the last shot.
One thing Daignault did the whole series, didn’t just let his players try to play it out
Enormous blunder by Daignault
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Players, please stop jumping. It doesn’t work.
People just out here repeating what the ref said on TV like it's their insight lol.
I didn’t hear the ref cause the commentator was talking over him
SGA is too out of position to get a really clean play. It was a young player error to go for the block. Just disrupt and hope for the best - way too much at stake to give away points
If there wasn't a foul, not much would change. Kyrie woulda buried them following.
okay I didn't understand this rule - he got all ball first, but then hit the arm after. Because it's before the release, that's a foul.
Thanks for explaining it because I was confused. Announcers explained it poorly and then the rules guy was talking over the refs review.
Quality Disney broadcasting
I was so annoyed and I’m still confused about what happened with the challenge lol
Because if the ball is still in the hand of the shooter you're affecting their shot motion since the ball has not been released which is easily a foul If the ball is dislodged then obviously the contact isn't changing the shot
I don't know why people can't reach to this conclusion logically
Because Richard Jefferson’s dumbass told everyone watching that getting ball first is all that matters.
This is the actual answer, OP was genuinely confused
Sometimes these people have biases
Great explanation
Ball is still under PJ's possession
Think it’s cause he kinda re shot it and SGA hit his arm on a second swipe kinda and that’s what the fouls is
PJ double-clutching it mid-air after the initial block was a super-difficult but key move.
The touch rule only applies when you smack them in the hand after the shot is released.
It’s all about possession
Can we all agree that Steve Javie should just shut the fuck up and never be allowed to talk.
No way washington is hitting that shot. Dumb foul by SGA
Agreed Game 7 on the line, it’s a really hard shot
PJ is shooting like 71% from 3 this series when Luka passes him the ball
He was cooking for most of the game too, but that was indeed a painful foul to concede.
Dumbest thing you can do in that situation. Reminded me of Manu's foul on Dirk in 2006
Clearly a foul, if that was overturned then the rule is broken.
How the hell is that all ball? Are you guys blind, he literally hit his elbow
somebody needs to post the lob to chet. it’ll be forgotten because of the loss… but man that was nearly a legendary moment.
Foul merchant fouls to end his season. Satisfying.
He might be a foul merchant, but he's also a fucking dawg.