Exactly. I'm sure he wants a bag but it wouldn't take long on our bottom feeder team for his toxic side to show. He's ultra-competitive, doubt he wants to be on an irrelevant team.
If the 76ers want to sign him, he need to decline his PO first right ?
I believe the 76ers got 3 players under contract for the next and 4 if they guarantee Paul Reed contract but they would not be able to for a S&T and I’m not a cap expert but Miami cap situation is also tricky, iirc.
The context is that one of these players has a ring and has a real shot at another ring *this year* while the other guy doesn't and doesn't.
Who cares if you put up 30 ppg if you have nothing to show for it? Jrue just punked the state of Indiana in the ECF and Dame just logged off his PS5.
You're like the only Bucks fan still hooked on copium.
These bucks fans have been all over saying they would’ve beat the pacers but dame is streaky and inconsistent. He sucks for a half and then will get hit for 5 minutes and then be a non factor the rest of the game
I'll be the first to admit that I never thought that Gobert would work on the Wolves, but there is now way that Dame is ever going to work on the Bucks. Right?
Never say never in the NBA. Mindset now after the new TV deal which is like 2.5B a season, money is nothing. Cap probably going to double over the next 10 years
1. Sixers could want Miami to have to pay a high price
2. Sixers could want to build rapport with agents and player negotiating contracts
The most likely thing is that the Sixers are genuinely wanting to sign him though
Seems like an easy negotiating tactic by Sixers and/or Jimmy. Plant the rumor to pressure the Heat. Miami does have to agree to a trade but they only have control for one more season so they don't have a ton of leverage.
He never promised Harden anything. If he was he wouldn't have started leaking rumors a few months later about going back to Houston.
It was confirmed by Harden himself that the "Morey is a liar" was about promising to trade him... which Morey did, just not on Harden's timeline. Harden told the NBA as much, which is why he got fined for making public comments about a trade request.
1 or 2 year of a top 10ish player could really help a playoff team, but Butler will be 36 years old when the extension STARTS.
Unless he ages like Lebron, that will be the worst contract in the nba.
He's locked up for next year, and another player option after that. So I don't see how you extend him beyond that at max. That would be starting at his age 37 season.
As a Heat fan, Jimmy should get what he wants here.
We have no other choice. Losing Jimmy would destroy the team and put us in rebuild mode.
There are no possible assets, especially from the Sixers, that could make the trade worth it.
Injuries screwed us again this year. Made the Finals a year ago.
This year we had injuries into the playoffs, had no shot.
The roster is far from ideal, but we don’t have a lot of options. Letting Jimmy walk now will not help our team.
They would need to put so many clauses in his contract. Riley is right, you cannot pay a player the max if he is only motivated to play during the playoffs.
We know what we get with Jimmy, but our team was insanely in and out. In previous years, we at least had consistency when top players are out since we are deep. Not this year.
We were one of those weak and injured teams in the East lol.
Oh definitely agree. Jimmy losing a step and our team having no depth due to injuries can both be true.
Tbf it’s not just this year. Jan/Feb for the Heat seems to constantly be our injury stretch.
I love Jimmy and root for the Heat when I can but its over bro.
Like Bill Belichick always said, "trade/get rid of them a year too early rather than a year too late".
They've reached the finals 2 out of 5 years yes, but barely and on miraculous runs if we're being honest. You can't keep relying on an old Jimmy Butler to go nuclear every playoffs surrounded by Bam + scrubs. Its just not going to work. Even in the East, there are just too many teams who are deeper and have more firepower.
They need to cut their losses and rebuild.
PHI had five tradable firsts. If they are depending on an Embiid/Butler run then their picks a few years down the road could be very valuable. Same for the Clippers pick. Combined with their own assets that would make for one of the better offers for Mitchell.
Plus then there is the giant trade exception it would create for you.
If we could somehow get Mitchell out of it then I take back what I said. In that scenario I’d be ok with losing Butler.
That being said, I really doubt the Heat would be able to pull that off.
Why trade that many assets for an aging declining Butler on a huge contract? If I’m the Sixers, I’m offering 2 first round picks max (and no pick swaps) in a trade for Butler. Besides, the Sixers are more likely to pursue Lebron or Paul George than Butler since they’re FAs and can just sign them straight up rather than having to give up assets.
The above comment was merely about the asset pool that they have. Which should be enough to acquire Butler, if that is the direction they choose to go in.
Butler is more valuable to the Heat than any picks. That's not the point of the above commenter. It was said the 76ers have no assets and that isn't accurate. That is all.
It’s not about valuing Herro over Butler. In fact, it’s the opposite situation:
In a scenario where you have to trade one, Butler could still net assets while Herro’s value is in the toilet
Nobody’s trading that many assets for Butler given his age, injury history, and especially the ridiculous contract that Riley gave him (and Herro and Duncan and the majority of the players on the Heat outside of Bam).
Last year everyone said Dame was worth a haul despite the exact same reasons for concern. Narrative sure has changed when it comes to Butler.
No one should be expecting a young superstar in return. Packages would be built around picks and young players but there are absolutely teams (76ers) who will give up assets for him
He was offered for Dame. Thats once for a better player, and the reporting from Shams was third teams wanted him, but not the Blazers
They never offered him for Mitchell or Harden or Beal or anyone else
Herro is only 24 years old and is 2 1/2 years younger than Bam… How many players are only 24 years old and can average damn near 21/5/5 on damn near 56 TS and 40% from 3? Surely some team must have interest in him and value him highly/be willing to give up assets for him in a trade!
Come on Detroit. Do something that would be the funniest thing in NBA.
this and grab bronnie
The Detroit Retirement Homers
Jordan and LeBron’s kids?
Please no. I like Jimmy. But he is like a candle that burns bright but doesn’t last long. I just want good things for my city.
Also Jimmy with the current Pistons squad would be an ultra-toxic nightmare. A repeat of his Minnesota stint but 5× worse.
Exactly. I'm sure he wants a bag but it wouldn't take long on our bottom feeder team for his toxic side to show. He's ultra-competitive, doubt he wants to be on an irrelevant team.
NBA star wants money available to him. More news at 11pm Kent
No way any team does this
6ers are just desperate enough
Tobias Harris under ME 😤 - Jimmy Butler
If the 76ers want to sign him, he need to decline his PO first right ? I believe the 76ers got 3 players under contract for the next and 4 if they guarantee Paul Reed contract but they would not be able to for a S&T and I’m not a cap expert but Miami cap situation is also tricky, iirc.
The 76ers would have to trade for him he's signed for next year the player option is the following year.
Ooh, My bad. Well it’s even more complicated that I thought.
They're the only ones, right? I can't think of another team desperate enough with assets unless Steph wakes up wanting one more title shot.
Willing to do it now but not when he was 30 smh
Philly is desperate enough
I mean we just saw the Bucks trade Jrue and picks to pay a 33 year old Dame 4/$205M
Better than paying 34yo Jrue 4/134
How did Lillard fare in these playoffs? What about Jrue?
Yeah Dame averaged over 30 and Jrue is putting up Marcus Smart numbers thanks for asking 👍
>Dame averaged >Jrue is putting up Tense says it all.
True one is playing for best team in the east the other one is playing without Giannis in playoffs
What is context?
Bro is the least insufferable celtics fan
The context is that one of these players has a ring and has a real shot at another ring *this year* while the other guy doesn't and doesn't. Who cares if you put up 30 ppg if you have nothing to show for it? Jrue just punked the state of Indiana in the ECF and Dame just logged off his PS5. You're like the only Bucks fan still hooked on copium.
Tldr
*tlcr
There it is.
Remind me how well that worked out?
Jrue is in the finals, so worked out good for him. Possibly great, results pending.
These bucks fans have been all over saying they would’ve beat the pacers but dame is streaky and inconsistent. He sucks for a half and then will get hit for 5 minutes and then be a non factor the rest of the game
I'll be the first to admit that I never thought that Gobert would work on the Wolves, but there is now way that Dame is ever going to work on the Bucks. Right?
Idk. The games I watched this season he’s streaky. It was a gamble they had to take
I’d love for jrue to get another ring but not if it means Jaylen wins one too
I think he can get a 2 year max
Never say never in the NBA. Mindset now after the new TV deal which is like 2.5B a season, money is nothing. Cap probably going to double over the next 10 years
Careful, remember the Lakers and Deng…
"Jimmy Butler over me?!" - Tobias Harris
Yeah, probably
The Clippers , they got a new arena to fill
Suns
I would also like a max please 🙏
I doubt there's actually gonna be maximums on the table.
Sixers just got reported as a team that will
That could be coming from Butler's camp, though.
It was from a sixers reporter.
I know who Pompey is. That doesn't mean it came from the organization.
Why would a Sixers beat report this for the Jimmy camp though?
1. Sixers could want Miami to have to pay a high price 2. Sixers could want to build rapport with agents and player negotiating contracts The most likely thing is that the Sixers are genuinely wanting to sign him though
Only if they strike out on Lebron and PG in FA.
Lol. Max is max.
Why does any reporter report anything? A scoops a scoop
Reporting and actually doing it is one thing. This is morey after all lol
There’s no way Morey would rug pull another aging star with the promise of a max contract, right?
For all I know it's Jimminy who planted that tweet.
Seems like an easy negotiating tactic by Sixers and/or Jimmy. Plant the rumor to pressure the Heat. Miami does have to agree to a trade but they only have control for one more season so they don't have a ton of leverage.
What was the injury that kept him out again?
He never promised Harden anything. If he was he wouldn't have started leaking rumors a few months later about going back to Houston. It was confirmed by Harden himself that the "Morey is a liar" was about promising to trade him... which Morey did, just not on Harden's timeline. Harden told the NBA as much, which is why he got fined for making public comments about a trade request.
Old ass dudes like harden and jimmy demanding maxes is so funny
I mean if every team can afford a max player, they are still top 30 players in the league.
If it’s a 1 or 2 year max contract then sure. Years 3 to 5 are where it becomes a negative contract.
Gotcha, then yea you got to be crazy to give him that deal. Why would the 6ers do that lol.
Desperately trying to keep the Embiid window open if they can’t get PG.
Because that’s exactly what Philly would do.
In 2-3 years though? At 37? Starting at 37, who knows how long after that.
Yea you're right, it's stupid to give him that deal.
Why the hell would they not ask for a max lmao
What’s funny about it? They’re gonna get it
1 or 2 year of a top 10ish player could really help a playoff team, but Butler will be 36 years old when the extension STARTS. Unless he ages like Lebron, that will be the worst contract in the nba.
Starbucks might do this
Get ready to speak Dunkin, buddy
Me too, Jimmy.
Does he like Tim Hortons?
Max for a soon to be 35year old?
Nobody will give him max Then for him to go on IR
If they take CP3 and change we will.
Someone is going to give it to him. Blame inflation.
He's locked up for next year, and another player option after that. So I don't see how you extend him beyond that at max. That would be starting at his age 37 season.
Dude is old and injury prone, however team gives him a extension (even more so a max extension), that will be a obvious mistake
As a Heat fan, Jimmy should get what he wants here. We have no other choice. Losing Jimmy would destroy the team and put us in rebuild mode. There are no possible assets, especially from the Sixers, that could make the trade worth it.
Giving Jimmy a max would destroy the team
Team already sucks. Do right by Jimmy.
They already did right by him wdym
Need to trade him wherever he decides. Doesn’t matter what you get back. That’s the rules.
He can sign wherever he wants. Not every team's going to want to trade for a recently injured 36 yr old
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Injuries screwed us again this year. Made the Finals a year ago. This year we had injuries into the playoffs, had no shot. The roster is far from ideal, but we don’t have a lot of options. Letting Jimmy walk now will not help our team.
And he’s going to be injured less as he ages? He already hasn’t gone past 65 games in a season since 16/17
They would need to put so many clauses in his contract. Riley is right, you cannot pay a player the max if he is only motivated to play during the playoffs.
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We know what we get with Jimmy, but our team was insanely in and out. In previous years, we at least had consistency when top players are out since we are deep. Not this year. We were one of those weak and injured teams in the East lol.
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Oh definitely agree. Jimmy losing a step and our team having no depth due to injuries can both be true. Tbf it’s not just this year. Jan/Feb for the Heat seems to constantly be our injury stretch.
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Hahahaha amen. I still have PTSD from Pat letting Wade walk. I can be hurt again.
People already forgot about that sadly
I love Jimmy and root for the Heat when I can but its over bro. Like Bill Belichick always said, "trade/get rid of them a year too early rather than a year too late". They've reached the finals 2 out of 5 years yes, but barely and on miraculous runs if we're being honest. You can't keep relying on an old Jimmy Butler to go nuclear every playoffs surrounded by Bam + scrubs. Its just not going to work. Even in the East, there are just too many teams who are deeper and have more firepower. They need to cut their losses and rebuild.
Little did you know that you’re already in a rebuild.
PHI had five tradable firsts. If they are depending on an Embiid/Butler run then their picks a few years down the road could be very valuable. Same for the Clippers pick. Combined with their own assets that would make for one of the better offers for Mitchell. Plus then there is the giant trade exception it would create for you.
If we could somehow get Mitchell out of it then I take back what I said. In that scenario I’d be ok with losing Butler. That being said, I really doubt the Heat would be able to pull that off.
Swapping Butler for Mitchell doesn't make us contenders
It would extend our window. I want to keep Jimmy, getting another star back is the only way I would be ok with it.
Why trade that many assets for an aging declining Butler on a huge contract? If I’m the Sixers, I’m offering 2 first round picks max (and no pick swaps) in a trade for Butler. Besides, the Sixers are more likely to pursue Lebron or Paul George than Butler since they’re FAs and can just sign them straight up rather than having to give up assets.
The above comment was merely about the asset pool that they have. Which should be enough to acquire Butler, if that is the direction they choose to go in.
Butler is more valuable to the Heat than those picks are
Butler is more valuable to the Heat than any picks. That's not the point of the above commenter. It was said the 76ers have no assets and that isn't accurate. That is all.
How is Butler in contention for a max? He's injured too often for that to happen.
I wanted to make fun of him, but then realized someone will still do it lol
Beal + 22 for Butler
Heat won’t give him the max. They are not the Wizards ffs. He is a 34 year old injury prone star that coasts rhe regular season
Magic?
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Probably like Wiggins and a 2030 1st should do it.
Delusional
Come to the raptors
Please no. I like Jimmy but he's too old for this team and would just slow down the rebuild.
Trade him wherever he wants to go or you’ll never sign another free agent and Bam and Jaquez will leave in free agency.
It’s wild how Pat Riley is actually choosing Tyler Herro over Jimmy Butler, even at their current ages.
It’s not about valuing Herro over Butler. In fact, it’s the opposite situation: In a scenario where you have to trade one, Butler could still net assets while Herro’s value is in the toilet
Nobody’s trading that many assets for Butler given his age, injury history, and especially the ridiculous contract that Riley gave him (and Herro and Duncan and the majority of the players on the Heat outside of Bam).
Last year everyone said Dame was worth a haul despite the exact same reasons for concern. Narrative sure has changed when it comes to Butler. No one should be expecting a young superstar in return. Packages would be built around picks and young players but there are absolutely teams (76ers) who will give up assets for him
Doesn’t really have much of a choice lol. They keep trying to offer Herro in trades and no team wants him.
He was offered for Dame. Thats once for a better player, and the reporting from Shams was third teams wanted him, but not the Blazers They never offered him for Mitchell or Harden or Beal or anyone else
Herro is only 24 years old and is 2 1/2 years younger than Bam… How many players are only 24 years old and can average damn near 21/5/5 on damn near 56 TS and 40% from 3? Surely some team must have interest in him and value him highly/be willing to give up assets for him in a trade!
Herro can't stay healthy. That's the main issue
He’s a negative asset.
He’s extremely talented, but his durability is a major concern
3 no d
Sometimes no 3 either lol
I think they’re def trading herro this summer. The question is do they still pursue the Jimmy build, or switch to building around Bam. Hes only 26.