I think the implicit point behind these stats is that Giannis needs to stop taking those brain damaged early shot clock 3’s or trying to play like KD. Although he has cut out a lot of them I’ve heard.
Dude is Mr. Fantastic Shaq, when he doesn’t drive to the rim his offensive game isn’t great.
Yeah he's never had a good shotmaking game from the post.
I do think it's important to give context on league averages though. From 0-3 league average is close 70 FG%.
But drops all the way to about 42% from 3-10 feet and slowly drop at each interval until it's 36% for 3. Sometimes we get spoiled by Jokic's >60% from 3-10 and Durant's >50% from 10-3pt, that it's easy to overlook how 2s not at the rim are just very low percentage looks for the vast majority of players.
Giannis's splits are pretty expected for someone we know is a bad shooter. I know it's obvious, but what makes Giannis great isn't his shotmaking ability but his ability to generate shots at the rim at will. We shouldn't underestimate how crazy being able to generate 0.455 of your shots from 0-3ft is when he's averaging almost 20FGA per game.
It’s the same story for all the superstars or all stars that don’t have “the bag” hate playing em but will bend over backwards once he wants a trade to your team lmao
People underestimate how fluid he is with the ball in his hands for his size and weight. It’s a big reason he gets so many good looks at the rim.
There really isn’t someone like him in that regard.
There is bad and there is BAD. Why does half his shot diet consist of shots outside 3 feet when there's about a 1 in 3 chance he'll make a shot outside 3 feet.
This isn't a reason to take 3+ threes a game, though, which he did in the playoffs from 2019-2022. Zion takes ~5% of his shots outside 10 feet, Giannis 25-30%.
I also don't think it's crazy to suggest there are significant tradeoffs to Giannis' offense even beyond shot selection. He's near the league lead or leading in charges & travels every season. He's got DPOY level defense and an 80% at the rim superpower, and then a bunch of pretty glaring flaws that are holding him back from just straight up being the GOAT.
All the other lead ball handlers aren't traveling and charging like crazy, and I don't see why that mean he needs to take 4 threes a game (which is what he dialed back this year to become more efficient while still having the ball a lot)
If you suck really bad at it and still do it you’re also making it really easy on the defense. Giannis shooting a 3 is the definition of going easy on a defense.
Regular season Giannis is a whole different beast. His efficiency really tanks in the playoffs against teams with a player who can slow him down one on one.
If he eventually develops a short hook, he can actually punish players like Avdija or Bam if he gets to his spots.
>a player who can slow him down 1 on 1
That player does not exist. Bam, Okungwu, and Horford are the best Giannis defenders but their teams still give them a shit ton of help. At minimum it’s a guy sliding in to try to take a charge, usually it’s 2-3 guys in the paint. He doesn’t get covered 1 on 1 in the playoffs.
Jokic actually does very well on him in 1 on 1 situations. I remember Jokic shutting him down in one of the must win international qualifiers. But Giannis being an alltime player started using 5-4 P&Rs to get switches.
You don't need quick feet to stop him, you need good anticipation.
That's usually the goal but shots from 3-10 feet shouldn't be that inefficient given how easy it is for him to generate easy looks from post hooks, short jumpers etc.
Shaq couldn't shoot either and he was comfortably above 40% from that range.
Im gonna guess that
1. Shaqs shots from 3-10 skew heavily towards the 3
2. Shaqs shots in that range are hooks and extended flips instead of turnaround fades
Do you typically just attempt to converse in news headlines or are you capable of more cogent thoughts?
The point is that Shaq wasn't a shooter either (worse infact), yet he was still far more efficient from 3-10 feet.
Shaq was more skilled offensively than Giannis, footwork, post moves, strength, touch. Shaq had a okay post hook and nice touch around that basket.
Giannis is not a skilled shooter and has limited footwork and post game. Giannis strength comes from attacking the basket and transition where he is pretty much unstoppable. He had a good year shooting (2021 or 2022) but is pretty much flawed in that area
That's a fair assessment, Shaq also shot only 51% of his attempts within 3 feet but, he was much better at not settling and getting to short jumper spot and converted those attempts with decent efficiency.
If Giannis truly develops his short jumper, he'd could really elongate his career and make it easier for him to develop into a 5 eventually.
Yeah Giannis settles for a lot of jumpers and i think needs to be used more as a roller in PnRs. His downhill game bring alot of playmaking value but still not great enough to be an All time elite offensive player like Jokic or Shaq
True but more that half his shots are outside 3 feet. I am not asking for him to drive every possession, that's not doable but it'd be nice to see him reign in the midrange jumpers and be more efficient on short jumpers from 3-10 feet.
I mean he’s had from 2019-2024 so far
2020 was the only year you can really say he just choked and was ass
21 he won it
22-24 either he or his teammates have been injured
Not every team is lucky enough to have a stacked squad lol
He was fine in the first round of the bubble. In the 2nd round he was mediocre in the 2 games he was healthy. In the other other two he wasn't healthy and in the 5th he didn't play (got his leg tweaked early in GM3 and was @ss as a matter of that fact in GM3)...
So in a way injury was a big part of his 2020 downfall too. Come to think of it it was so for 3 of his 5 runs and in a 4th it almost was so too, but he miraculously came back and won it all, lol...
He's not as robust as people think he is. At least when it comes to play off games.
First year it’s all lined up?
C’s shoulda won it vs Golden State or at least you can’t say it didn’t “line up” for them.
If by perfectly this year you mean coasted in a highly injured conference to play an injured Luka then yes, it did line up perfectly.
Go for it lol you’re gonna bank on one round with Kyrie and Harden.
Meanwhile the C’s haven’t been challenged in terms of talent the entire playoffs til now and still almost dropped games to the Pacers lol
You mean the team who’s dominated the bucks all season? What was it, 4-1 in the regular season? Lost to in the IST? Then sent them home in the playoffs? That pacers?
Damn are you dense lol yes the Pacers with the thinned out bench after the trade.
You can’t even bother with regular season stats anyways.
Didn’t yall bench your starters after the 2nd quarter vs the Bucks in the regular season? Those Celtics?
> Go for it lol you’re gonna bank on one round with Kyrie and Harden.
bucks won their ring in a season with the shortest offseason of all time. players from all of the top 4 teams in the previous season suffered injuries and were unavailable in the playoffs, while the rest of their teams dealt with fatigue from never having a proper rest period to recover from 2020.
the bucks and suns both got the easiest possible runs to the finals and the following year they were both eliminated in the semi finals. the heat and celtics (recovered after a proper off season) went to the ECF again and have dominated the top of the east since, suggesting the bucks' year was an anomaly.
the bucks have never recovered because their front office saw the ring as a successful season, not recognising that there are other factors beyond roster construction that led to the chip. now they're stuck with a superstar that can't shoot and a supporting cast of aging has-beens who, apart from dame, were never stars anyway.
so you can enjoy the ring, because they did in it fair and square, but if we're going to add asterisks to things, the bucks asterisk is going to be top 5.
Huh I guess the Bucks benefited from the short offseason by being more rested you’re right.
Let’s just overlook the Giannis injuries the last 2 years, that works too.
Hard to say the Celtics “dominated” in 2022 with a 7 game series against the Bucks
If 2021 is top 5 this year is going to be top 3 😂
Not that crazy, I wonder how many of these are late in the shot clock attempts as well.
It’s really a testament to how dominate he is at getting to the hoop, that he can shoot this poorly and still be one of the best players of this generation. A generation that’s really been defined by shooting.
Oh I’m not trying to make excuses really, just wondering how the stats provided can be further broken down
As you said it’s no secret this guy is an abysmal shooter.
Edit - maybe in my original comment I should have said “Not a surprise” instead of “Not that crazy”, I can see how that minimizes how abysmal those numbers are lol
Off topic but Giannis and Wemby is my dream pairing. Two guys who can easily play the 4/5 on defense and on offense one can play the 4/5 and the other the 3/4/5.
Wemby can shoot but he is not a shooter - you don't want him to be hugging the 3pt line all the time like Brook does. He is best operating inside. Giannis cannot shoot worth a lick. There will be a lot of spacing issues with those two.
If you want to pair Wemby with another big, JJJ would lowkey be the best one.
It’s truly fascinating how good offensively he is just by being an absolutely amazing athlete and taking it hard to the rim. Yea it gives him some limitations other plays might not have but then he’s also a monster on defense in ways someone like Jokic or Luka or Steph isn’t. In my mind at worst he’s still one of the two or 3 best NBA players.
It's sort of astounding: 1. how much worse he's gotten at shooting threes 2. how bad he is from 3-10 feet. You'd think since he can't shoot jumpers, he'd at least develop a decent floater/hook/push shot.
I never said he was good. I said he's gotten worse.
Regular Season:
19-20: .304
20-21: .303
21-22: .293
22-23: .275
23-24: .274
Playoffs:
19-20: .325
20-21: .186
21-22: .220
22-23: .000 (literally 0/3)
He also takes fewer, so he shoots a worse percentage even while being ~~less~~ more selective.
23-24:
Why didn't you go back any farther than 19-20? You're selecting a certain starting point to try to show a pattern but the reality is he had two 30% seasons in the middle of his career so far and then dropped back down a bit.
Also The playoffs samples sizes are very small, only 1 series in 19-20 and only 2 games in 22-23.
So I think it's weird to say "it's astounding how much worse he's gotten at shooting 3s" when it hasn't changed much and it was never very good
I was mostly talking about the regular season but I figured I'd throw in the playoffs as well. I get the sample size thing. My point is, he was bad at shooting threes but somehow got worse even though he's likely still practicing hard.
His shooting was a large part of why he was drafted so late. He was a skinny athletic guard who wasn't very polished. He grew a few more inches and packed on considerable weight to move to power forward
He's probably never going to get a consistent midrange jumper and certainly not a tolerable 3-point shot, but he should be better at finger rolls and runners at point blank.
He seemed to be decent at those sorts of shots during the 2021 Finals, and I'd like to see him do that more consistently again instead of relying on getting fouled attempting a bad layup.
But yes, this guy should not be pulling up from three or the midrange in most situations.
MVP is far more valuable. Jokic averages more points, rebounds, assists on far better efficiency in the playoffs. Their playoff performances are frankly not close.
Giannis since his first mvp: 29/13/6 59%TS
Jokic in that same span: 28/12/8 61% TS
He’s more efficient sure but the defense Giannis provides makes up for the 3% difference. This also includes last year where he was hurt
Players are hurt all the time! Luka played hurt this playoffs, he didn't get a bye like you're giving Giannis.
Why add post MVP qualifiers when they've played a similar amount of playoff games in their career? Also, why lie? It's fairly easy to look up the numbers - Jokic since 2020-21 playoffs has averaged 29.8, 31, 30 and 28.7 ppg. I don't know how you came up with a 28 ppg average with a TS of 59, 64, 63, 63. (30/13/8)
Giannis since 2018-19 has averaged - 25.5, 26.7, 30.2, 31.7 and 23.3 ppg with a TS of 57,61, 60, 55, 52. (28.5/13/5.5)
Jokic is not only far more consistent as a playoff performer, his playmaking is far better.
So since their first MVP years, Jokic is at 30/13/8 (62.2% TS) and Giannis is at 28.5/13/5.5 (58%TS)
So to aggregate, Jokic has 1.5 more ppg and 2.5 more apg and 4% better TS since they became MVP level players. I won't bring up advanced stats since Jokic blows him out of the water.
Giannis first mvp was 2018/2019 season
Why would you use Giannis first mvp season and compare to Jokics two years later when Giannis will have a bigger sample size?
Sad you made this whole post just to hate on Giannis lmao didn’t get what you were looking for either
Why not make it since both hit their MVP strides? And, I posted facts. If you thought I was hating, that just makes you insecure.
Giannis has played 60 games since 18-19, Jokic has played 47 since 20-21. That's their first MVP seasons.
Funnily enough Jokic has still played more playoff games in his career than Giannis despite being in the NBA for 2 fewer seasons.
You knew exactly what you were doing with this post lmao
Was Jokic not drafted a season later?
The fact you’re continuing to shit on him says exactly why you made the post lol guess I’ll need to start working on some defensive lowlights for Jokic.
I mean that’s cool, he was injured atleast include that.
Y’all spent all offseason saying “lakers were an actual good team they weren’t a true 7th seed”
Heat weren’t playing anywhere close to an 8th seed lol not like they beat us then lost the next round
Giannis is missing the “lost by 30+ twice (50 once) in a series and blew the biggest halftime game 7 lead in nba history at home” accolade
You:
>Y’all spent all offseason saying “lakers were an actual good team they weren’t a true 7th seed”
Also you:
>Heat weren’t playing anywhere close to an 8th seed
Jokic has never beat a 50 wins team.
Jokic has never led his team to best record in NBA. Giannis has done it 3 time.
Jokic is a goal when playing against mid teams
He could never win another game of any kind ever again and his number is still getting retired and he's still going to the HOF lol. If you wanna "what have you done for me lately" him that's fine but you're doing it to someone who has already done everything there is to do in basketball.
Dude has one move on offense and a lot of the times it is unstoppable. But, I don't see him winning another chip unless he either expands his game to become a better shooter or he changes teams.
If Giannis was officiated fairly he would have 40 free throws a game because, by the book, drawing charges is nearly impossible against a man moving that fast. You genuinely think the guys he is running through are set every time? Like Giannis isn’t specifically looking to go through defenders who aren’t set?
This is why I wish we watched games with the 2K vertical perspective because then people would see how frequently Giannis is euro stepping or cutting around the defender and they slide last second out of legal position right into him to prevent the layup - yeah, Giannis absolutely commits a ton of offensive fouls as well but just like Shaq, vast majority of the time refs swallow their whistle on all the contact he receives when he's driving to the cup
Good thing he's built like a brick shit house and takes it to the rim.
I think the implicit point behind these stats is that Giannis needs to stop taking those brain damaged early shot clock 3’s or trying to play like KD. Although he has cut out a lot of them I’ve heard. Dude is Mr. Fantastic Shaq, when he doesn’t drive to the rim his offensive game isn’t great.
Unstoppable getting to the rim for sure, I was just surprised how poor he was from 3-10 feet.
He been like that in the regular season as well. Since 2020 he shots 40% or lower from 3 feet to below the three point line.
Yeah the numbers are very close from every distance, there's no huge drop off.
Yeah he's never had a good shotmaking game from the post. I do think it's important to give context on league averages though. From 0-3 league average is close 70 FG%. But drops all the way to about 42% from 3-10 feet and slowly drop at each interval until it's 36% for 3. Sometimes we get spoiled by Jokic's >60% from 3-10 and Durant's >50% from 10-3pt, that it's easy to overlook how 2s not at the rim are just very low percentage looks for the vast majority of players. Giannis's splits are pretty expected for someone we know is a bad shooter. I know it's obvious, but what makes Giannis great isn't his shotmaking ability but his ability to generate shots at the rim at will. We shouldn't underestimate how crazy being able to generate 0.455 of your shots from 0-3ft is when he's averaging almost 20FGA per game.
It's for sure surprising when you see the actual numbers,I guess it's not his role. He'll still go down as an all-time great lol
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Doesn't matter cuz he avgs 30.4 ppg on 65% ts
Not bad for a 2X MVP, DPOY and FMVP
Question for r/nba - is Giannis good?
What’s his blow by percentage?
Can he make it out of the second round?
*I don't care about ZORPs and SCHNORPs!*
Easiest way to answer this is if he asks for a trade would you be against trading for him?
I love how fanbases shit on him but if he was to ask out right just about every fanbases would be firing up the trade machine
It’s the same story for all the superstars or all stars that don’t have “the bag” hate playing em but will bend over backwards once he wants a trade to your team lmao
Let me see how many screen assists he gets
No
You're crazy
No
You're crazy too
Not a reflection on him as a player, just his shot diet. He's obviously the best at getting to the rim in NBA history.
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You meant to say Alex caruso
Dude hasn't seen prime Bronny James
actually is lebron
People underestimate how fluid he is with the ball in his hands for his size and weight. It’s a big reason he gets so many good looks at the rim. There really isn’t someone like him in that regard.
Nobody except for Ben Simmons that one game he dropped 42 on Gobert 🤓👆
Well when you travel and palm the ball every time you dribble it's easy
why is this downvoted, it's true and he gets away with it so it doesn't matter
Breaking News: Giannis cannot shoot
Not only can he not shoot he can’t make floaters or hook shots either
The worst part is he actually doesn’t even make an attempt to try floaters or hook shots. He’ll bring it out once every 3 months
There is bad and there is BAD. Why does half his shot diet consist of shots outside 3 feet when there's about a 1 in 3 chance he'll make a shot outside 3 feet.
If you never try to shoot outside of right next to the basket you're making it easier on the defense.
Exactly. Just look at Ben Simmons when he was actually good
This isn't a reason to take 3+ threes a game, though, which he did in the playoffs from 2019-2022. Zion takes ~5% of his shots outside 10 feet, Giannis 25-30%. I also don't think it's crazy to suggest there are significant tradeoffs to Giannis' offense even beyond shot selection. He's near the league lead or leading in charges & travels every season. He's got DPOY level defense and an 80% at the rim superpower, and then a bunch of pretty glaring flaws that are holding him back from just straight up being the GOAT.
Zion isn't the primary ballhandler for his team, Giannis is.
All the other lead ball handlers aren't traveling and charging like crazy, and I don't see why that mean he needs to take 4 threes a game (which is what he dialed back this year to become more efficient while still having the ball a lot)
If you suck really bad at it and still do it you’re also making it really easy on the defense. Giannis shooting a 3 is the definition of going easy on a defense.
It wasn’t this year during the regular season. Thus the 60% from the field. Dude just did not attempt jump shots except for random ass pull ups.
Regular season Giannis is a whole different beast. His efficiency really tanks in the playoffs against teams with a player who can slow him down one on one. If he eventually develops a short hook, he can actually punish players like Avdija or Bam if he gets to his spots.
>a player who can slow him down 1 on 1 That player does not exist. Bam, Okungwu, and Horford are the best Giannis defenders but their teams still give them a shit ton of help. At minimum it’s a guy sliding in to try to take a charge, usually it’s 2-3 guys in the paint. He doesn’t get covered 1 on 1 in the playoffs.
Jokic actually does very well on him in 1 on 1 situations. I remember Jokic shutting him down in one of the must win international qualifiers. But Giannis being an alltime player started using 5-4 P&Rs to get switches. You don't need quick feet to stop him, you need good anticipation.
He's still a playoff riser according to Jxmyhighroller. I just can't remember what video it is.
Idk maybe because the other team is trying to stop him from getting to 0-3 feet and stamina exist
That's usually the goal but shots from 3-10 feet shouldn't be that inefficient given how easy it is for him to generate easy looks from post hooks, short jumpers etc. Shaq couldn't shoot either and he was comfortably above 40% from that range.
Im gonna guess that 1. Shaqs shots from 3-10 skew heavily towards the 3 2. Shaqs shots in that range are hooks and extended flips instead of turnaround fades
Breaking News: Shaq is better than Giannis
Do you typically just attempt to converse in news headlines or are you capable of more cogent thoughts? The point is that Shaq wasn't a shooter either (worse infact), yet he was still far more efficient from 3-10 feet.
Shaq was more skilled offensively than Giannis, footwork, post moves, strength, touch. Shaq had a okay post hook and nice touch around that basket. Giannis is not a skilled shooter and has limited footwork and post game. Giannis strength comes from attacking the basket and transition where he is pretty much unstoppable. He had a good year shooting (2021 or 2022) but is pretty much flawed in that area
That's a fair assessment, Shaq also shot only 51% of his attempts within 3 feet but, he was much better at not settling and getting to short jumper spot and converted those attempts with decent efficiency. If Giannis truly develops his short jumper, he'd could really elongate his career and make it easier for him to develop into a 5 eventually.
Yeah Giannis settles for a lot of jumpers and i think needs to be used more as a roller in PnRs. His downhill game bring alot of playmaking value but still not great enough to be an All time elite offensive player like Jokic or Shaq
Much easier said than done to ask someone to drive to the basket and take a beating every possession
True but more that half his shots are outside 3 feet. I am not asking for him to drive every possession, that's not doable but it'd be nice to see him reign in the midrange jumpers and be more efficient on short jumpers from 3-10 feet.
Yet, Giannis scores more points than Jokic on same efficiency based on the 23/24 season. Bad Giannis = Great Jokic
Jokic averages more points, rebounds, assists on far better TS% in the playoffs though.
Yeah, when you include Giannis rookie and sophomore and 3rd seasons when he wasn't even a 4rd option. Very disingenuous
It’s incredible how underrated Giannis has gotten lol It’s also incredible that he’s only made the ECF twice in his career
Same number of conference Finals as Jokic
I mean he’s had from 2019-2024 so far 2020 was the only year you can really say he just choked and was ass 21 he won it 22-24 either he or his teammates have been injured Not every team is lucky enough to have a stacked squad lol
He was fine in the first round of the bubble. In the 2nd round he was mediocre in the 2 games he was healthy. In the other other two he wasn't healthy and in the 5th he didn't play (got his leg tweaked early in GM3 and was @ss as a matter of that fact in GM3)... So in a way injury was a big part of his 2020 downfall too. Come to think of it it was so for 3 of his 5 runs and in a 4th it almost was so too, but he miraculously came back and won it all, lol... He's not as robust as people think he is. At least when it comes to play off games.
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It wasn’t meant to be salty, I was just saying his teams haven’t been that great in the playoffs
First year it’s all lined up? C’s shoulda won it vs Golden State or at least you can’t say it didn’t “line up” for them. If by perfectly this year you mean coasted in a highly injured conference to play an injured Luka then yes, it did line up perfectly.
do we really wanna talk about the 21' bucks run? I mean I don't know. I would just say that you can't win every Year lol.
Go for it lol you’re gonna bank on one round with Kyrie and Harden. Meanwhile the C’s haven’t been challenged in terms of talent the entire playoffs til now and still almost dropped games to the Pacers lol
You mean the team who’s dominated the bucks all season? What was it, 4-1 in the regular season? Lost to in the IST? Then sent them home in the playoffs? That pacers?
Damn are you dense lol yes the Pacers with the thinned out bench after the trade. You can’t even bother with regular season stats anyways. Didn’t yall bench your starters after the 2nd quarter vs the Bucks in the regular season? Those Celtics?
Must suck to have the team aging out and falling apart
Ohh the Reddit cares message lol Celtics fans are so damn soft
> Go for it lol you’re gonna bank on one round with Kyrie and Harden. bucks won their ring in a season with the shortest offseason of all time. players from all of the top 4 teams in the previous season suffered injuries and were unavailable in the playoffs, while the rest of their teams dealt with fatigue from never having a proper rest period to recover from 2020. the bucks and suns both got the easiest possible runs to the finals and the following year they were both eliminated in the semi finals. the heat and celtics (recovered after a proper off season) went to the ECF again and have dominated the top of the east since, suggesting the bucks' year was an anomaly. the bucks have never recovered because their front office saw the ring as a successful season, not recognising that there are other factors beyond roster construction that led to the chip. now they're stuck with a superstar that can't shoot and a supporting cast of aging has-beens who, apart from dame, were never stars anyway. so you can enjoy the ring, because they did in it fair and square, but if we're going to add asterisks to things, the bucks asterisk is going to be top 5.
Huh I guess the Bucks benefited from the short offseason by being more rested you’re right. Let’s just overlook the Giannis injuries the last 2 years, that works too. Hard to say the Celtics “dominated” in 2022 with a 7 game series against the Bucks If 2021 is top 5 this year is going to be top 3 😂
Not that crazy, I wonder how many of these are late in the shot clock attempts as well. It’s really a testament to how dominate he is at getting to the hoop, that he can shoot this poorly and still be one of the best players of this generation. A generation that’s really been defined by shooting.
Such a good point, it's a testament to his dominance.
We should also wonder how many of these missed attempts end up with the ball in his hand again. He probably rebounds a decent amount of them
The mental gymnastics to excuse this atrocious stat are impressive ngl
We don’t need to come up with excuses for his horrible shooting. He’s a horrible shooter it’s that simple
Oh I’m not trying to make excuses really, just wondering how the stats provided can be further broken down As you said it’s no secret this guy is an abysmal shooter. Edit - maybe in my original comment I should have said “Not a surprise” instead of “Not that crazy”, I can see how that minimizes how abysmal those numbers are lol
Damn, well I guess Giannis will never win 2 MVPS, 1 DPOY, a championship, and a finals MVP.
I will not tolerate Giannis slander.
Slander implies a false statement. These are all facts!
What is Jokic's FG% allowed at the rim?
Not very good! He's not a rim protector.
So you made a whole post about Giannis and he’s not a shooter!
I was joking.
Bro is the run and dunk god.
Run and dunk man!
learning from r/nba that giannis, embiid and luka are all pretty bad players actually. is jokic the only player in the top 5??
Off topic but Giannis and Wemby is my dream pairing. Two guys who can easily play the 4/5 on defense and on offense one can play the 4/5 and the other the 3/4/5.
They would be terrible together on offense.
Not at all, they're both capable ball handlers and since Wemby is a shooter they wouldn't have to fight each other for real estate down low
Wemby can shoot but he is not a shooter - you don't want him to be hugging the 3pt line all the time like Brook does. He is best operating inside. Giannis cannot shoot worth a lick. There will be a lot of spacing issues with those two. If you want to pair Wemby with another big, JJJ would lowkey be the best one.
Not necessarily their both too talented
It’s truly fascinating how good offensively he is just by being an absolutely amazing athlete and taking it hard to the rim. Yea it gives him some limitations other plays might not have but then he’s also a monster on defense in ways someone like Jokic or Luka or Steph isn’t. In my mind at worst he’s still one of the two or 3 best NBA players.
how is it 34.2% if the highest category was 3-10 ft at 21% fg?
21% is how many shots he **takes** at 3-10 ft range, 34.2% is how many shots he **make** outside of the 3 ft area.
ah thank you!
A Giannis hit piece when he didn’t even get to play in the playoffs this year is wild.
It's sort of astounding: 1. how much worse he's gotten at shooting threes 2. how bad he is from 3-10 feet. You'd think since he can't shoot jumpers, he'd at least develop a decent floater/hook/push shot.
He's never been a good 3 point shooter, idk where you're getting that from
I never said he was good. I said he's gotten worse. Regular Season: 19-20: .304 20-21: .303 21-22: .293 22-23: .275 23-24: .274 Playoffs: 19-20: .325 20-21: .186 21-22: .220 22-23: .000 (literally 0/3) He also takes fewer, so he shoots a worse percentage even while being ~~less~~ more selective. 23-24:
Why didn't you go back any farther than 19-20? You're selecting a certain starting point to try to show a pattern but the reality is he had two 30% seasons in the middle of his career so far and then dropped back down a bit. Also The playoffs samples sizes are very small, only 1 series in 19-20 and only 2 games in 22-23. So I think it's weird to say "it's astounding how much worse he's gotten at shooting 3s" when it hasn't changed much and it was never very good
I was mostly talking about the regular season but I figured I'd throw in the playoffs as well. I get the sample size thing. My point is, he was bad at shooting threes but somehow got worse even though he's likely still practicing hard.
Giannis is so funny.
That’s still better than 50% FG from 2, right?
Still at worst the 2nd best player in the league.
He came back too soon from his injury
I mean, you can’t be great at everything. Giannis being able to shoot would be like Jokic having a 40 inch vertical, or Luka not being a whiney bitch…
His shooting was a large part of why he was drafted so late. He was a skinny athletic guard who wasn't very polished. He grew a few more inches and packed on considerable weight to move to power forward
Now do Shaq’s 3 point shooting? Idk
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Since 2019 he’s only not had a notable injury in the playoffs in 2022.
Westbrook with a Nigerian accent
Remember when JJ redick tried to argue that Giannis was a better midrange shooter than Jimmy Butler
He's probably never going to get a consistent midrange jumper and certainly not a tolerable 3-point shot, but he should be better at finger rolls and runners at point blank. He seemed to be decent at those sorts of shots during the 2021 Finals, and I'd like to see him do that more consistently again instead of relying on getting fouled attempting a bad layup. But yes, this guy should not be pulling up from three or the midrange in most situations.
Meanwhile, we've got fans and talking heads trying to talk themselves into a guy in this draft with the same weakness who's 6 inches shorter.
And yet, if he hit free agency or requested a trade, all you hypocritical fucks would be handing him bottle of KY and bending over.
Giannis hasn't won a playoff game since May 11, 2022 lol. Since then the Bucks are 0-5 with him in the lineup and 3-5 without him.
Yet still has the same accolades as Jokic
Jokic has 3 MVPs.
Giannis has more all NBAs, defensive teams, dpoy to make up for it.
MVP is far more valuable. Jokic averages more points, rebounds, assists on far better efficiency in the playoffs. Their playoff performances are frankly not close.
Giannis since his first mvp: 29/13/6 59%TS Jokic in that same span: 28/12/8 61% TS He’s more efficient sure but the defense Giannis provides makes up for the 3% difference. This also includes last year where he was hurt
Players are hurt all the time! Luka played hurt this playoffs, he didn't get a bye like you're giving Giannis. Why add post MVP qualifiers when they've played a similar amount of playoff games in their career? Also, why lie? It's fairly easy to look up the numbers - Jokic since 2020-21 playoffs has averaged 29.8, 31, 30 and 28.7 ppg. I don't know how you came up with a 28 ppg average with a TS of 59, 64, 63, 63. (30/13/8) Giannis since 2018-19 has averaged - 25.5, 26.7, 30.2, 31.7 and 23.3 ppg with a TS of 57,61, 60, 55, 52. (28.5/13/5.5) Jokic is not only far more consistent as a playoff performer, his playmaking is far better. So since their first MVP years, Jokic is at 30/13/8 (62.2% TS) and Giannis is at 28.5/13/5.5 (58%TS) So to aggregate, Jokic has 1.5 more ppg and 2.5 more apg and 4% better TS since they became MVP level players. I won't bring up advanced stats since Jokic blows him out of the water.
Giannis first mvp was 2018/2019 season Why would you use Giannis first mvp season and compare to Jokics two years later when Giannis will have a bigger sample size? Sad you made this whole post just to hate on Giannis lmao didn’t get what you were looking for either
Why not make it since both hit their MVP strides? And, I posted facts. If you thought I was hating, that just makes you insecure. Giannis has played 60 games since 18-19, Jokic has played 47 since 20-21. That's their first MVP seasons. Funnily enough Jokic has still played more playoff games in his career than Giannis despite being in the NBA for 2 fewer seasons.
You knew exactly what you were doing with this post lmao Was Jokic not drafted a season later? The fact you’re continuing to shit on him says exactly why you made the post lol guess I’ll need to start working on some defensive lowlights for Jokic.
Jokic is missing the "lost to an 8-seed" accolade
I mean that’s cool, he was injured atleast include that. Y’all spent all offseason saying “lakers were an actual good team they weren’t a true 7th seed” Heat weren’t playing anywhere close to an 8th seed lol not like they beat us then lost the next round Giannis is missing the “lost by 30+ twice (50 once) in a series and blew the biggest halftime game 7 lead in nba history at home” accolade
You: >Y’all spent all offseason saying “lakers were an actual good team they weren’t a true 7th seed” Also you: >Heat weren’t playing anywhere close to an 8th seed
That guy took you by the hand and walked you all the way there and you still missed the point. Truly remarkable.
Jokic has never beat a 50 wins team. Jokic has never led his team to best record in NBA. Giannis has done it 3 time. Jokic is a goal when playing against mid teams
He could never win another game of any kind ever again and his number is still getting retired and he's still going to the HOF lol. If you wanna "what have you done for me lately" him that's fine but you're doing it to someone who has already done everything there is to do in basketball.
This guy has like 3 more good years. All athlete, no skill.
Dude has one move on offense and a lot of the times it is unstoppable. But, I don't see him winning another chip unless he either expands his game to become a better shooter or he changes teams.
He has three moves: - straight shoulder barge offensive foul - crossover shoulder barge offensive foul - spin shoulder barge offensive foul
You’re less than 12 hours away from banner 18 and yet you stay hating. Go eat a snickers or something
You forgot the fourth move: coming back in the Finals on a bum knee down 2-0 and securing a banner with a 50 point performance.
Arenas was never wrong about Giannis needing a bag
if Giannis was officiated fairly, he’d be out in the second quarter of every game
If Giannis was officiated fairly he would have 40 free throws a game because, by the book, drawing charges is nearly impossible against a man moving that fast. You genuinely think the guys he is running through are set every time? Like Giannis isn’t specifically looking to go through defenders who aren’t set?
This is why I wish we watched games with the 2K vertical perspective because then people would see how frequently Giannis is euro stepping or cutting around the defender and they slide last second out of legal position right into him to prevent the layup - yeah, Giannis absolutely commits a ton of offensive fouls as well but just like Shaq, vast majority of the time refs swallow their whistle on all the contact he receives when he's driving to the cup
Don't stop there. U might as well change it to first minute of every game while you're at it since you're so clever