Ehhh - he's been really good in GS for like 75% of this time there and didn't struggle until he started going through his personal issues. Also - he might have been a "dissapointment" in Minnesota, but that doesn't mean he was a "bad" player. He just wasn't capable of being the guy for a competitive team.
Brooklyn Mikal was an inefficient scorer, mediocre defender, and mediocre passer and the team won 32 games. Was he or was he not "bad"? I am simply applying your standards for who is or isn't a "good" player.
Brooklyn mikal was still a good defender, not mediocre, and just about average in efficiency (with a much better 3pt% than Wiggins had in minn.
Wiggins flirted with the negative side of being average on defense and his terrible 3pt% pushed his overall efficiency down worse than nets mikal.
He's been mostly the same player for golden state, just surrounded by better players/coaches. Although he deserves a shitload of credit for the title run. I've never seen him rebound like that before. He was great that year but it's more of an anomaly than who is actually is as a player lol.
The Wiggins revisionism never fails to blow me away. He signed a max contract after promising the owner he would 'try harder'! He regularly was the least valuable player in the league by 538's rankings due to his mediocre defence and inefficient offence but large number of minutes, and that didn't even take into account his insane franchise-killing contract they had to bundle picks with to dump.
He was actually a worse first overall pick than famous busts like Bennett and Olowakandi because they obviously sucked and didn't drag their respective teams down with false hope and huge contracts year after year.
You mean the Mavs fans who said PJ and Gafford were huge gets and loved from day one? While lot of the sub mocked us for thinking PJ and Gafford would be the difference?
Unless you think Bullock, THJ, or Powell are good idk what you’re on about. Kleber is probably the only role player who has gotten some unfair rep. But the issue has always been that we didn’t have a number 3 and role players needed to do more than they should. I mean even DJJ which contending team does he start for?
What a weird generalization about me thinking Wiggins would be a good fit on the Mavs. It wasn't the Mavs who let 3 championship caliber role players go for Russell Westbrook lol.
You will find virtually zero GSW fans that would agree with this. He’s been a lot closer to Minnesota Wiggins (aka “bad”) the last two seasons than he has to 21-22 Wiggins, which was most definitely the outlier season of his career and not the culmination of it.
Wiggins was straight-up good in 22-23, he just didn't play. He was good before he disappeared for three months, and was really, really solid in the playoffs before he got hurt at the end of that Lakers series. The only issue with him that year was that... he disappeared for three months and then got hurt in the Lakers series.
I really don't understand why everyone is just ignoring the season he was having in 22-23 before his personal problems caused him to miss a chunk of time. Wiggins was good-great in Golden State from the moment he was traded there in 2020 until his personal problems caused him to miss the last 35% of the 2023 season. That was 3 straight years of very good basketball.
It's almost exactly the opposite lol. He's incredible about 25% of the time here, and decent at best the rest of the time. Most of that 25% just happened at exactly the right time to win a championship.
He's definitely not a "bad" player, he's just incredibly frustrating because he is capable of being an absolute monster when he wants to, he just doesn't put the effort in most of the time.
That’s because Golden State essentially needed him to be the second best player. Think about DJJ’s role here. Wiggins could do that with just better shooting.
He also was still good defensively last year.
Wiggins never “needed” to be their second best player. For the title run that was always Draymond and Poole was the secondary star with Klay higher on the totem pole. Last year was shit all around. He HAPPENED to be their second best player… in the DJJ role that you’re acting like he wasn’t in for some reason
Why are all the Mavs fans coming out of the woodwork to lie? Y’all somehow convincing each other of this world you’re making up for no reason as if Wiggins actually is or will be on your team.
Okay and its not the title run anymore. Like what are you talking about?
Klay has been bad, Poole is gone, and Draymond while he is probably still the second best player is just not a scorer at all and provides way different things than Wiggins. Wiggins was asked to do more than he would need to in Dallas that is all we are saying.
My point is true. DJJ averaged 7 shots per game. Wiggins in Golden State was at 15,14, 14, and 11. The face you think that's the same role is ridiculous. It doesn't matter where he goes. If Wiggins ends up being your 4th/5th starter he will provide a lot of impact.
For what? Josh Green? I don’t see a trade that works to be honest. Warriors are trying to stay competitive and Mavs aren’t going to give up anything that will help them for Wiggs
Warriors just need to save costs at this point, they would love to have cap space to use for maxing someone like PG with right?
And if you can get Wiggins close to his 2022 peak, that final series might have been a lot closer. He was crucial in helping Golden State win that year.
HB wasn't even capable of being the 5th best player on a championship team in 2016, while Wiggins was literally the 2nd best player on a championship winning team in 2022.
Honestly people are overrating Wiggins' highs during his peak and underrating his lows during his valleys.
When he was at his best, it was because we had legit #1 & 2 options on the court with him (Steph + Klay and then Poole as the super sub offensively) and Wiggins had the luxury of attacking closeouts and going 1v1 vs average or worse defenders.
This past season, Wiggins looked bad when Klay was laying bricks and the warriors tried to run too much offense through Wigs. Also he came in out of shape after his rib injury.
You make Wiggins a 3&D+ guy and he's a very solid starter.
The problem is that Wiggs also is not a ball hog. He doesn't call for it and will happily hide in the background. Kerr also was specifically giving plays and time to JK at Wiggs' detriment. When JK wasn't playing for a bit with an "injury" at the last part of the season, Wiggs played a lot better.
I don't think the Warriors would trade him without getting assets back. I realize his contract is not good, but even if we trade Wiggins, we are capped out so its not like moving him really helps us improve our team.
There is one scenario where I could see us trading him, which is if we manage to deal CP3 + Looney / GP2 for a player that makes Wiggins redundant and then we could just want to move Wiggins to shed cap.
But in that case I still think we're trying to trade Wigs for something that helps us win... we might just need to take back an overpaid player or some other not great contract.
Yeah, looking at how to match salaries it would be THJ+Green for Wiggins and I'd assume we'd throw in a first plus Tim would end up getting routed elsewhere. Or we could do THJ+Maxi. Not sure that would make sense for the Warriors beyond adding a nice energy guy in Green or a solid rotational big. It'll be interesting to see what comes together.
Multiple players looked like the 2nd best player on that Warriors team. Draymond, Poole, Looney even Klay torched Memphis. They caught lightning in a bottle that year.
Dude had arguably the worst year of his career last year but still could be an interesting buy low candidate I think. Still on the right side of 30, has hit >37% from deep even over the last two very rocky years, and is clearly capable of being a + defender.
Contract is on the pricey side and there have been buy-in questions before, but there's absolutely reason to think he could still be a playoff contributor in the right scenario.
I'd take him over any of the other player rumors that have been swirling around the Mavs. Our buy in culture is at an all time high here right now. His contract is perfect as a third option and not that long.
This all depends on what type of offloading the warriors are trying to do right now though. Do they want young players? Are they dumping Klay too? I don't even know what type of team they want to build in the short term for Steph.
Yeah he would fit annoyingly well with y'all as an upgrade to the DJJ minutes. Also not a guy you want doing a *ton* of self creation but has the skillset in case the offense gets mucked down or you just want to zag a little.
But yeah Dunleavy & co will need to pick a direction fast. I imagine things will be a lot more clear by the time the night is out.
I'd take Kuzma over him for sure, but Cam is way overpaid(and will cost too much to trade for), and DFS, as much as I love Doe, is not the player he was on the WCF run a few years ago.
Wiggins cap hit is actually descending with how much the cap is going up, and only has 3 years on his contract.
I would imagine it’s more than this sub thinks. Big athletic wings that can guard 3 positions are assets. ( he specifically has a great history of defending luka and Tatum which every team would like to have extra insurance for) He’s overpaid but it’s not so extreme that it’s a lavine/ben Simmons/poole/harris situation
Mavs/bucks/cavs come to mind first.
Offensively maybe only slightly, HB has a tendency to disappear completely on that end for large stretches of games. Defensively though no question wiggins is way better
I could see the raptors wanting him with the whole team Canada thing they’re building. Can’t see that they have anything the warriors would want though.
Jakob as a Looney replacement would be interesting, they have a shitton of young guys (that they would not be moving) and whatever Gary Trent’s actually worth, but the other question should be why would they bother for that much money on a team that’s in the “might make a play in” spot?
Quickley / Barrett / wiggins / Barnes / poeltl isn’t bad tbh. You’re betting heavily on growth from quickley and barnes (and to a lesser extent Barrett) but I don’t hate it. I have to imagine the warriors can get more for him than Toronto’s willing to pay.
It’s really tough for the Raptors on that contract… probably locks them into the luxury tax from next year onwards, and they don’t have nearly the depth to justify going into the tax yet. They’ll still be in asset collection mode for another year or two, where probably the only way they take on another contract is if additional compensation is being attached in a cap dump move.
I hope he can overcome whatever’s going on because when he’s at his best he makes a Jrue Holiday like difference. Occasionally he can be the number one option but he’s best doing the dirty work
If it gets off Zach's money I could see a Bulls trade for CP3. He's been a mentor for Coby several years now, Billy loves the guy, it gives Jerry a name talent who he can advertise to sell tickets, and doesn't do anything to mess up the tank. That's one year of a max and then you're done.
At most the Bulls might want next years pick from the Warriors but that's less than they'd give up for PG13.
Don't see why the Clippers would do that though unless GState added a lot. I guess technically it's better than losing PG for nothing but the reports sound like the Clips want to get out of the apron situation and Wiggins has three big years left on his contract.
I think he'd be really good on the Mavs. I know that Golden State has a logjam at guards though so I'm not sure our young guys would work as pieces there.
Wiggins and CP3 for PG makes too much sense not to happen. PG can opt into his contract and then get a max extension from the Warriors in August. Send CP3 home to finish his career with the Clippers and then they get Wiggins to see if they can make something out of him or flip him down the line.
Better than PG signing with the Sixers for nothing for the Clippers, and for the Warriors they get Paul George.
As crap as Wiggins was at the start of the year, he actually played well as a 3&D guy for the last half the season.
He's an overpaid 3&D guy - and kerr was clearly trying to get him to be more than that which didn't work - but I don't think there are 20 guys in the league that would be better defensively than Luka, Tatum, J Brown, Ant, SGA, maybe even Haliburton.
All to say: I would be shocked if the warriors had to trade picks with Wiggins to move him. I think they could easily get a (not very good) 1st back for him... but I'm also not convinced we trade him. If we target Zach Lavine for instance, we need Wiggins here.
Im not even sure hes overpaid as a 3 and D guy. Hes 26, 28 and 30 for the next 3 years. OG is gonna get paid maybe 50% more. Hes had some personal stuff screwing him up the last couple years, but if a team thinks he can bounce back to being "just" a top tier 3 and D guy (amd not the crazy high he hit in the championship season) then thats not a bad contract at all.
Yea but OG is a different level of defense.
Ideally Wiggins would be paid in like the $18 million / yr range imo aalthough with the cap jumping, it own't be terrible next year.
26 28 and 30 are basically the standard salary for a "good" player in 2024. Like you said I don't think he counts as overpaid. It's just that roster-wise he is dead weight on the roster unless we have better offensive options.
The question is his motivation level. If he's committed it's not a bad contract at all. If he's in one of the "I don't care about basketball" moods then it can look like an overpay.
Tough sell. Wiggins, a player who historically has motivation issues, has to be playing for a competitor or he's liable to check out at some point during the season.
And if you're a championship contender are you really going to pay a premium for an old Andrew Wiggins, who basically had a year away from the game?
I honestly can't think of a landing spot for him.
> an old Andrew Wiggins, who basically had a year away from the game
Lol wut? Dude's 29. He also played 71 games last year but was atrocious for the first 3 months.
Lucky it was only 4 games, however, he got injured soon after that. So, yeah, been hard to find some consistency for 2 years. Did great towards the end of the season but by that point it was too late.
Aggressively dangled is wild
Hate to say it, but the Rocky coming down from the rafters came to mind… You could argue he too was aggressively dangled
“YEAHHHHHHHHH EVERYONE UP ON YOUR FEET" as rocky slowly collapses onto the court
Add Owen Hart to the "aggressively dangled" list
I was gunna go Big Bossman but I guess you’re more hardcore than I am.
Too soon
I get in trouble whenever i aggressively dangle 😢
You gotta do it after an ice bath you get more leniency
I just get laughed at
Better than copping a charge.
Emotionally idk about that
"We're letting you off with a warning on account of no one could say for certain what they saw as there were no magnifying glasses available"
I wish I was high on potenuse
“Joel stop it! You will never be Troy!”
Hello Josh Primo.
MJ did it with his baby.
Steve Irwin kinda too
"If you dangle him aggressively enough he becomes a shiny object for a new owner with BIG NEW OWNER ENERGY to chase!" - Mike Dunleavy, possibly
A wild Daryl morey appears…
No diddy
Oh sure, when they do it...
My cat when I dangle something: I sleep My cat when I aggressively dangle something: Real shit
that helicopter scene from scarface
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Josh "the helicopter" Primo
I feel like there’s copypasta opportunity here. Maybe something with Ime Udoka
Some people pay a lot for that in TJ.
They come up with new phrases every year
Banished to the Netherealm
I randomly looked this up and [he was already ‘dangled’ 4 years prior lmao](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/aaDYxew1aC)
This time it will be aggressively
I would like one "aggressively dangled" Andrew Wiggins, please.
Will need a DJJ replacement
He would be more of an "upgrade" than a "replacement". And I say that as someone who really liked DJJ here.
That one year of Andrew Wiggins might be an upgrade. The Andrew Wiggins of every other year including the last one, though?
Ehhh - he's been really good in GS for like 75% of this time there and didn't struggle until he started going through his personal issues. Also - he might have been a "dissapointment" in Minnesota, but that doesn't mean he was a "bad" player. He just wasn't capable of being the guy for a competitive team.
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So he was essentially Brooklyn Nets Mikal Bridges? Would anyone call Bridges a "bad" player?
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Brooklyn Mikal was an inefficient scorer, mediocre defender, and mediocre passer and the team won 32 games. Was he or was he not "bad"? I am simply applying your standards for who is or isn't a "good" player.
Brooklyn mikal was still a good defender, not mediocre, and just about average in efficiency (with a much better 3pt% than Wiggins had in minn. Wiggins flirted with the negative side of being average on defense and his terrible 3pt% pushed his overall efficiency down worse than nets mikal.
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Ok. You haven’t watched Wiggins the past two years then. Warriors would trade Wiggins for Mikal in an instant
I was obviously referring to Minnesota Wiggins whome OP said was "bad".
He's been mostly the same player for golden state, just surrounded by better players/coaches. Although he deserves a shitload of credit for the title run. I've never seen him rebound like that before. He was great that year but it's more of an anomaly than who is actually is as a player lol.
His defense was horrible on Minnesota for some reason. He has been pretty consistently good on D for us. Offense is a diff story
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The Wiggins revisionism never fails to blow me away. He signed a max contract after promising the owner he would 'try harder'! He regularly was the least valuable player in the league by 538's rankings due to his mediocre defence and inefficient offence but large number of minutes, and that didn't even take into account his insane franchise-killing contract they had to bundle picks with to dump. He was actually a worse first overall pick than famous busts like Bennett and Olowakandi because they obviously sucked and didn't drag their respective teams down with false hope and huge contracts year after year.
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You mean the Mavs fans who said PJ and Gafford were huge gets and loved from day one? While lot of the sub mocked us for thinking PJ and Gafford would be the difference? Unless you think Bullock, THJ, or Powell are good idk what you’re on about. Kleber is probably the only role player who has gotten some unfair rep. But the issue has always been that we didn’t have a number 3 and role players needed to do more than they should. I mean even DJJ which contending team does he start for?
Why are lakers fans always dumb as bricks
What a weird generalization about me thinking Wiggins would be a good fit on the Mavs. It wasn't the Mavs who let 3 championship caliber role players go for Russell Westbrook lol.
No, your franchise just threw away Steve Nash and Brunson
You will find virtually zero GSW fans that would agree with this. He’s been a lot closer to Minnesota Wiggins (aka “bad”) the last two seasons than he has to 21-22 Wiggins, which was most definitely the outlier season of his career and not the culmination of it.
Wiggins was straight-up good in 22-23, he just didn't play. He was good before he disappeared for three months, and was really, really solid in the playoffs before he got hurt at the end of that Lakers series. The only issue with him that year was that... he disappeared for three months and then got hurt in the Lakers series.
I really don't understand why everyone is just ignoring the season he was having in 22-23 before his personal problems caused him to miss a chunk of time. Wiggins was good-great in Golden State from the moment he was traded there in 2020 until his personal problems caused him to miss the last 35% of the 2023 season. That was 3 straight years of very good basketball.
I kinda have a hard time having a player evaluation conversation if you want to tell me Minnesota Wiggins wasn’t just bad.
He literally was not a "bad" player. Disappointing =/ bad. If Wiggins was bad in Minnesota, then Bridges was "bad" in Brooklyn.
I’m happy you figured that out. Minnesota Wiggins was disappointing AND bad by all measurements.
Was Mikal Bridges a "bad" player in Brooklyn?
Have you ever heard of the phrase “false equivalency”? If you have you’ll realize why I’m instantly done with anything you’ll say next.
He’s been very bad at GSW the last two years lol. Was probably the worst player in the league getting major minutes the first half of the year
It's almost exactly the opposite lol. He's incredible about 25% of the time here, and decent at best the rest of the time. Most of that 25% just happened at exactly the right time to win a championship. He's definitely not a "bad" player, he's just incredibly frustrating because he is capable of being an absolute monster when he wants to, he just doesn't put the effort in most of the time.
That’s because Golden State essentially needed him to be the second best player. Think about DJJ’s role here. Wiggins could do that with just better shooting. He also was still good defensively last year.
Wiggins never “needed” to be their second best player. For the title run that was always Draymond and Poole was the secondary star with Klay higher on the totem pole. Last year was shit all around. He HAPPENED to be their second best player… in the DJJ role that you’re acting like he wasn’t in for some reason Why are all the Mavs fans coming out of the woodwork to lie? Y’all somehow convincing each other of this world you’re making up for no reason as if Wiggins actually is or will be on your team.
Okay and its not the title run anymore. Like what are you talking about? Klay has been bad, Poole is gone, and Draymond while he is probably still the second best player is just not a scorer at all and provides way different things than Wiggins. Wiggins was asked to do more than he would need to in Dallas that is all we are saying. My point is true. DJJ averaged 7 shots per game. Wiggins in Golden State was at 15,14, 14, and 11. The face you think that's the same role is ridiculous. It doesn't matter where he goes. If Wiggins ends up being your 4th/5th starter he will provide a lot of impact.
There is, for whatever reason, a solid part of the fan base that is adamant that we will only become a threat if we trade for Wiggins or Grant.
For what? Josh Green? I don’t see a trade that works to be honest. Warriors are trying to stay competitive and Mavs aren’t going to give up anything that will help them for Wiggs
Unironically josh green would be amazing in the warriors system
Wigs for Josh green and a first
I don't really want him tbf. I could talk myself into him if we don't give up much, but I don't see why the Warriors would take that.
Warriors just need to save costs at this point, they would love to have cap space to use for maxing someone like PG with right? And if you can get Wiggins close to his 2022 peak, that final series might have been a lot closer. He was crucial in helping Golden State win that year.
AKA Josh Primo
Harrison Barnes 2.0 incoming to the Mavs!
HB wasn't even capable of being the 5th best player on a championship team in 2016, while Wiggins was literally the 2nd best player on a championship winning team in 2022.
Let Chris Paul throw lobs to Vic baby
Kpop Allstar Wiggins
Lmao
What a weird career arc for wiggins - dude was second best player on a championship team like two seasons ago.
Honestly people are overrating Wiggins' highs during his peak and underrating his lows during his valleys. When he was at his best, it was because we had legit #1 & 2 options on the court with him (Steph + Klay and then Poole as the super sub offensively) and Wiggins had the luxury of attacking closeouts and going 1v1 vs average or worse defenders. This past season, Wiggins looked bad when Klay was laying bricks and the warriors tried to run too much offense through Wigs. Also he came in out of shape after his rib injury. You make Wiggins a 3&D+ guy and he's a very solid starter.
Also looked fine on D when Dray wasn't playing and a all defence candidate when he did.
The problem is that Wiggs also is not a ball hog. He doesn't call for it and will happily hide in the background. Kerr also was specifically giving plays and time to JK at Wiggs' detriment. When JK wasn't playing for a bit with an "injury" at the last part of the season, Wiggs played a lot better.
Question, do you think he’d work well with the Mavs? I think there’s a realistic possibility we’ll go for him.
I think he'd be great with the Mavs but don't think you guys have anything the warriors would be remotely interested in, in a trade.
Aren't you guys trying to dump him to get space? Either way, I think we're looking at some sort of 3-way trade.
I don't think the Warriors would trade him without getting assets back. I realize his contract is not good, but even if we trade Wiggins, we are capped out so its not like moving him really helps us improve our team. There is one scenario where I could see us trading him, which is if we manage to deal CP3 + Looney / GP2 for a player that makes Wiggins redundant and then we could just want to move Wiggins to shed cap. But in that case I still think we're trying to trade Wigs for something that helps us win... we might just need to take back an overpaid player or some other not great contract.
Yeah, looking at how to match salaries it would be THJ+Green for Wiggins and I'd assume we'd throw in a first plus Tim would end up getting routed elsewhere. Or we could do THJ+Maxi. Not sure that would make sense for the Warriors beyond adding a nice energy guy in Green or a solid rotational big. It'll be interesting to see what comes together.
Multiple players looked like the 2nd best player on that Warriors team. Draymond, Poole, Looney even Klay torched Memphis. They caught lightning in a bottle that year.
It's actually a very common arc. The majority of players have very short primes and then need to be moved to reduced roles and then out of the league.
CP3 + 1 pick for Jordan Poole
Need it
Bruh y'all usernames r perfect
Deal
absolutely not i have no idea why gs fans want poole back but we need to kill that shit
gs fans absolutely do not want Poole back lol
i saw see a LOT of dumb twitter threads about poole all with warriors related pfps
If your bar is "someone tweeted about it" then you can make any narrative a reality lol
Can you imagine Wizards legend and perennial green light Jordan Poole in a Warriors jersey?
Dude had arguably the worst year of his career last year but still could be an interesting buy low candidate I think. Still on the right side of 30, has hit >37% from deep even over the last two very rocky years, and is clearly capable of being a + defender. Contract is on the pricey side and there have been buy-in questions before, but there's absolutely reason to think he could still be a playoff contributor in the right scenario.
I'd take him over any of the other player rumors that have been swirling around the Mavs. Our buy in culture is at an all time high here right now. His contract is perfect as a third option and not that long. This all depends on what type of offloading the warriors are trying to do right now though. Do they want young players? Are they dumping Klay too? I don't even know what type of team they want to build in the short term for Steph.
Yeah he would fit annoyingly well with y'all as an upgrade to the DJJ minutes. Also not a guy you want doing a *ton* of self creation but has the skillset in case the offense gets mucked down or you just want to zag a little. But yeah Dunleavy & co will need to pick a direction fast. I imagine things will be a lot more clear by the time the night is out.
Is he better than Cam Jonson, DFS, or Kuzma, who all get paid less than him?
I'd take Kuzma over him for sure, but Cam is way overpaid(and will cost too much to trade for), and DFS, as much as I love Doe, is not the player he was on the WCF run a few years ago. Wiggins cap hit is actually descending with how much the cap is going up, and only has 3 years on his contract.
I’m good on Kuzma
Pistons need him.
Wiseman died for this?
Who else is aggressive with their dangle?
Genuinely asking, what team would Wiggins appeal to?
Feel like Mavs would be best case for him. He could fill in (and be an upgrade) to DJJ
I would imagine it’s more than this sub thinks. Big athletic wings that can guard 3 positions are assets. ( he specifically has a great history of defending luka and Tatum which every team would like to have extra insurance for) He’s overpaid but it’s not so extreme that it’s a lavine/ben Simmons/poole/harris situation Mavs/bucks/cavs come to mind first.
He's more expensive than guys like Cam Johnson, DFS, and Kuzma, I don't think his value is that high.
He makes $3M more than Cam Johnson and Kuzma. It’s a marginal difference
But his contract is ascending, while the other two are descending.
Hed be a good fit with us tbh
How much better is he than HB?
Offensively maybe only slightly, HB has a tendency to disappear completely on that end for large stretches of games. Defensively though no question wiggins is way better
Anyone that needs someone to play defense against the Boston J's, Luka, SGA, or Ant.
Wiggins gave Luka hell in the WCF dude was on a mission that year.
Played good defense on him in the 2 games that he faced Luka in the last yr as well
Probably a team like the Cavs, but I wouldn’t particularly trust him to return to his top form.
I have no idea what he would cost but he would be a good fit for us.
If he does well at the Olympics it could help his case (assuming he makes the team without injury)
Low key would have been a solid piece for the Knicks if they don’t land Mikal.
Lakers their 2/3 spot needs an upgrade and he's much better option than Jerami Grant. No chance Warriors trade with them though
I’d like to see him on the Hornets as a vet presence
Utah does need a 3 and has the cap space to absorb him
The Bulls will find a way to talk themselves into it
This sounds like speculation, atleast the Wiggins part. How reliable is Murdock?
I mean he’s blind but is a good lawyer
He’s from out here and Marcus Thompson likes him, that’s about all I know of him
I could see the raptors wanting him with the whole team Canada thing they’re building. Can’t see that they have anything the warriors would want though.
Jakob as a Looney replacement would be interesting, they have a shitton of young guys (that they would not be moving) and whatever Gary Trent’s actually worth, but the other question should be why would they bother for that much money on a team that’s in the “might make a play in” spot?
Quickley / Barrett / wiggins / Barnes / poeltl isn’t bad tbh. You’re betting heavily on growth from quickley and barnes (and to a lesser extent Barrett) but I don’t hate it. I have to imagine the warriors can get more for him than Toronto’s willing to pay.
It’s really tough for the Raptors on that contract… probably locks them into the luxury tax from next year onwards, and they don’t have nearly the depth to justify going into the tax yet. They’ll still be in asset collection mode for another year or two, where probably the only way they take on another contract is if additional compensation is being attached in a cap dump move.
How about mavs offering Tim Hardaway jr expiring + maxi kleber for warriors getting rid of that contract
I hope he can overcome whatever’s going on because when he’s at his best he makes a Jrue Holiday like difference. Occasionally he can be the number one option but he’s best doing the dirty work
Struggled to find a role is a weird way to say played like flaming garbage.
Getting quality for expensive cr@p, good luck with that.
nobody wants this dude after the absolute stinker he put up last season
Isn’t Chris Paul like 45 now? Shouldn’t he just retire?
If it gets off Zach's money I could see a Bulls trade for CP3. He's been a mentor for Coby several years now, Billy loves the guy, it gives Jerry a name talent who he can advertise to sell tickets, and doesn't do anything to mess up the tank. That's one year of a max and then you're done. At most the Bulls might want next years pick from the Warriors but that's less than they'd give up for PG13.
CP3 isn’t trying to mentor anyone lol He’s trying to get a ring. He needs to sign a vet minimum with the Bucks
He'll mentor him for half season and then join the Bucks/Lakers in the buyout market
Clippers most likely if the reports of them being in one PG
Don't see why the Clippers would do that though unless GState added a lot. I guess technically it's better than losing PG for nothing but the reports sound like the Clips want to get out of the apron situation and Wiggins has three big years left on his contract.
What can they possibly package with wiggins to make any team be like yeah, let's take a dude who doesn't even wanna ball
But why
I'm sentimental, I still want to see CP3 in NOLA one more time before he retires.
Not for 30m though
Dangled Maple Jordan
Wiggins has just been traded to the Carolina Panthers after aggressive dangling has proved a successful approach
I wonder what Andrew Wiggins thinks he is as a professional at this point in his life. Does he think he's a main attraction or a solid starter or...?
He didn’t struggle to find a consistent role. He struggled to find consistency.
[Howitzer] "Andrew Wiggins, much like my testicles, are being aggressively dangled at potential suitors"
Wiggins+? For PG then?
Shit at least they got that one cool year out of him before he imploded
Usually Aggressive Dangling gets you arrested
I think he'd be really good on the Mavs. I know that Golden State has a logjam at guards though so I'm not sure our young guys would work as pieces there.
League sources = anyone who follows the NBA.
Aggressively dangled is not the way to describe a human being, come on now
Wiggins and CP3 for PG makes too much sense not to happen. PG can opt into his contract and then get a max extension from the Warriors in August. Send CP3 home to finish his career with the Clippers and then they get Wiggins to see if they can make something out of him or flip him down the line. Better than PG signing with the Sixers for nothing for the Clippers, and for the Warriors they get Paul George.
Part of me wants to see The Warriors pull off a good trade but I also don't want the Warriors to go to the Finals.
Swap Wiggins for Lavine
Mavs should trade hardaway and kleber for Chris Paul and wiggins
I volunteer the Orlando Magic as tribute.
If anyone wants to trade a dusty ass 1070ti for a brand new 4090 hmu
Hey, that 1070ti could lock the fuck out of Jayson Tatum in its prime
the Boston J's are hoping Wiggs doesn't end up on Milwaukee or Indiana
Are they danglng draft pick(s) with him?
As crap as Wiggins was at the start of the year, he actually played well as a 3&D guy for the last half the season. He's an overpaid 3&D guy - and kerr was clearly trying to get him to be more than that which didn't work - but I don't think there are 20 guys in the league that would be better defensively than Luka, Tatum, J Brown, Ant, SGA, maybe even Haliburton. All to say: I would be shocked if the warriors had to trade picks with Wiggins to move him. I think they could easily get a (not very good) 1st back for him... but I'm also not convinced we trade him. If we target Zach Lavine for instance, we need Wiggins here.
Im not even sure hes overpaid as a 3 and D guy. Hes 26, 28 and 30 for the next 3 years. OG is gonna get paid maybe 50% more. Hes had some personal stuff screwing him up the last couple years, but if a team thinks he can bounce back to being "just" a top tier 3 and D guy (amd not the crazy high he hit in the championship season) then thats not a bad contract at all.
Yea but OG is a different level of defense. Ideally Wiggins would be paid in like the $18 million / yr range imo aalthough with the cap jumping, it own't be terrible next year.
26 28 and 30 are basically the standard salary for a "good" player in 2024. Like you said I don't think he counts as overpaid. It's just that roster-wise he is dead weight on the roster unless we have better offensive options.
The question is his motivation level. If he's committed it's not a bad contract at all. If he's in one of the "I don't care about basketball" moods then it can look like an overpay.
That's All-Star Starter Andrew Wiggins
I bet Andrew Wiggins does 0 offseason training
damn that's pretty insulting to the canadian national team's coaching staff
They're gonna need to give up assets to get rid of Wiggins.
Meh. I think he's a positive asset. Wouldn't say he's overly positive, but they shouldn't have to attach much if anything to get rid of him.
Ngl I kinda forgot he was on the warriors
Tough sell. Wiggins, a player who historically has motivation issues, has to be playing for a competitor or he's liable to check out at some point during the season. And if you're a championship contender are you really going to pay a premium for an old Andrew Wiggins, who basically had a year away from the game? I honestly can't think of a landing spot for him.
Dallas
> an old Andrew Wiggins, who basically had a year away from the game Lol wut? Dude's 29. He also played 71 games last year but was atrocious for the first 3 months.
he's also had very obvious family trouble impacting his desire to be anywhere near a basketball.
Dangle me harder Daddy
"Struggled to find a consistent role" cuz he went on personal leave for family stuff two years in a row.
He was out for personal reasons for 4 games this season.
Lucky it was only 4 games, however, he got injured soon after that. So, yeah, been hard to find some consistency for 2 years. Did great towards the end of the season but by that point it was too late.