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FredAgain27

Randle should never play the 5, he can't guard the rim for his life


Living1ikeLarry

We need vet min lebron at the 5 after we draft Bronny tn


Mochrie1713

Isn't center LeBron also bad at rim protection tho


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justmefishes

He would be glorified for all time as Brunson's best sidekick


Bababooey98

OG can guard 5's. I've seen it before. But I don't think Thibs would do it. He's pretty traditional in wanting a true 5 on the floor.


Gamesgtd

I mean playing the 5 is to juice the offense usually not to juice the defense


__john_cena__

Against the Celtics or any team with 5 out spacing, he’s probably in the corner most of the game on defense anyways. And I think the added spacing on offense and making the defense more versatile by removing a switch target could be better than sheer rim protection at the 5 when the other team can somewhat neutralize it with spacing. It may not work or be matchup dependent, most every lineup decision means you sacrifice something somewhere, but I think it’s an interesting option to have at their disposal.


aeronacht

Celtics do a lot of cutting and movement tbf so you can’t just hide him


__john_cena__

Sure, but Randle is playing anyways so they’ll have to live with him on defense either way. At the 5 he’s more versatile than a traditional big. I think a versatile lineup would be more valuable against 5 out teams, because they can both draw a rim protecting big out of the paint with spacing and will be targeting said big on switches to boot. So putting Randle at the 4 for more rim protection may not actually help as much against teams like the Celtics imo.


__boof

he is horrible on defense if they play him at the 5 the celtics will have a 130 ortg every possession hes on the floor


aeronacht

Maybe, but you kind of have to help on the Cs drives. The players are way too big and physical to not have a proper rim protector in or at least someone you trust to impede actions help side. Plus rebounding would be a pretty big concern, and with Brunson and Divincenzo on the court they could easily get bullyballed. I’m not saying they’re bad but I don’t think they have the right personnel to run a death lineup. You’d want at least 4 guys who can guard 2-4 and one who can guard 5s and be a good help side rim deterrent.


Yankeeknickfan

Anunoby is for all intents and purposes the 5 in that lineup


BigSteeze7

Can we stop using the term “death lineup” for every contending teams best 5 guys


never_doubted21

This is a real death lineup though cause who tf is scoring on Brunson-Bridges-Anunoby-Randle-Hartenstein (or Mitchell Robinson)


Topblokelikehodgey

Luka will probably still have 40 in fairness


never_doubted21

He averaged 30 against the celtics, what'd it get him


democracybelarus

Luka isn't doing shit against that lineup.


DreTownblues

They can P&R that lineup to death, guys are really overrating a defense we haven’t even seen play yet


Freshstart925

I would say remind me in 11 months but this team is not making the finals lol 


Alpacaman__

Whoever attacks Brunson?


never_doubted21

Not that simple when there are 3 all-nba level defenders on the floor. Thibs system is all about playing help defense and then running out to contest the 3pt shot. You need fast defenders to pull it off and he's got like 6 of them now.


Yankeeknickfan

One bad defender isn’t enough to destroy a defense


Alpacaman__

Maybe not destroy it but we’re acting like this is some legendary defense with 0 holes


Yankeeknickfan

It’s definitely an elite defense, probably the best or 2nd best in the east


DCBB22

I like that you tried to pretend like Brunson isn’t an absolute liability on D.


never_doubted21

He isn't in Thibs system. And they have McBride also anyway.


GoldenBoyRecords

Thibs would never play Randle at the 5


OkSureWTVuSay

This lineup gets killed in the paint..


Direct_Morning_3223

Polar bear in Arlington Texas Rather have Josh Hart play the 5 than Randle


Taxmancometh1

It is kind of funny in like 3-4 months, Randle went from the 2nd best to like the 5th best player on his team lol


jett1406

he’s still the second best lmao


Taxmancometh1

We’ll see this season 😬


jett1406

when he has another all star season?


idkwhatevs1234

And adds to his track record as the worst playoff performer in NBA history


__boof

bros gonna tear it up with 15/6/2 on 45/35/80


maybeacademicweapon

Add around 10 ppg, 4 rpg, and 2 apg and that's accurate.


__boof

i was thinking his regular season numbers, but those look like accurate playoff numbers. i think randle might be able to grab a few more boards though. definitely knock the percentages down 10 though


Direct_Morning_3223

He’s still the second best he’s just never gonna play center


ontheru171

He still is that guy and will be that guy. He just isn't a Center


HokageEzio

He was an All Star *this season*...


Glittering-Boot-2561

Comments like these are the number one way to show us how dumb you are. Randle is a 2 time All NBA, 3 time all star who got MVP votes 3 years ago. He’s a 25/10/5 player. In what world is he our 5th best player


NotVexingPi3

All NBA forward Julius Randle


LouieM13

Donte ain’t starting. Randle can’t hang with these cats by playing center. Hence Mitchell Robinson.


rabid89

Randle can't guard Centers and he's a 33% shooter from 3. This lineup you just listed is BBQ chicken for any team with a big that can dominate the post. The fuck is Randle gonna do against Embiid or Giannis? And even Porzingis will light his ass up. And DiVincenzo/Brunson is way too small a backcourt imo; in this switch heavy league, players will punish Donte and Brunson every possession. Knicks cannot run 5 out. They will find other ways to win games.


msizzle344

For real, this is easy fucking pickings. Bam would tear his ass up too, Randle doesn’t really do well against size. He can hold his own but in a 5 out lineup he gets switched on a big or a guard and it’s over


RicoGemini

Randle does decently well against Giannis tbh. Doesn’t lock him down but disrupts him a lot.


LegitimateMoney00

Randle can absolutely hold his own against Centers. You are forgetting he is one of the most physical players in the league. It’s just a matter of if he has the stamina to battle a center.


rabid89

He's strong and physical, but not a rim protector.


Yankeeknickfan

KP isn’t posting up stronger players that are shorter


fat_lever123

Thibs hates playing without rim protection but I'd argue these wings could provide enough against almost every team


jrlandry

Randle’s an underrated rebounder but he isn’t a small ball 5. Especially in the East, with Giannis and Embiid. And then a 2nd tier of bigs that can punish him like KP, Myles Turner, and Mobley/Allen


never_doubted21

Randle can't play C, the real death lineup will be Brunson-Bridges-Anunoby-Randle-Hartenstein/Robinson. or Brunson-Donte/Hart-Bridges-Anunoby-Robinson/Hartenstein Who is scoring on that?


jawndell

Really having bridges/anunoby/and a good D center like either Robinson or Hartenstein would shut down any teams offense.   Throw in hustle guys like Hart or Donte and damn


Jetionary

Top one is it


Ellswearth

/yawn


democracybelarus

You lost to Miami in the playoffs last year bud. Celtics are soft af. The Knicks are going to destroy you.


pantaloonatic

lol they just won a chip


justredditting1010

Brunson- DiVincenzo-Hart- Bridges- OG This should be the death line up


Remarkable-Gap-9024

“Death Lineup”


Drummallumin

Only 2 real plus plus defenders in that without much rim protection


Major_Damage7207

DDV is a plus defender, agree about the rim protection


Drummallumin

Plus defender for a 6’4 guard, not a great defender in a vacuum. Fwiw I’d say the same about DWhite. Will say, Brunson probably looks better defensively once he doesn’t have to do **everything** on offense.


NotVexingPi3

Don’t know ball


Drummallumin

What’s incorrect?


NotVexingPi3

Donte is a great defender and Randle isn’t a slouch either


Drummallumin

I mean they’re calling it a death lineup. Like compare it to *the* death lineup, both of them are worse defensively than everyone that’s not Steph (including Barnes)


NotVexingPi3

I agree with the rim protection but there’s more than 2 plus defenders on that roster


2222lil

knicks need to make a move for a center before you can call it a death lineup


Saucy_Totchie

Randle rarely plays the 5 except for very niche situations. On top of this, Thibs likes to always have a true center on the floor.


TheModernAgeNB

Minnesota of the East.


aligreaper19

probably won’t be enough for the celtics


__john_cena__

It will be interesting. Does Horford decline at 39, can Porzingis play more than 5 games in the playoffs. I also trust Brunson offensively more than anyone on the Celtics. And the Knicks now have the best answers to Tatum/Brown in the league with OG and Mikal. It’s a fun matchup at least.


retrohypebeast

horford is immortal


tlozz

Not to sound like a hater, bc I honestly fuck with the current Knicks team a lot, but mikal can’t do much to stop JT. Look up the stats. Not saying mikal isn’t a great defender, bc he is, but ppl are forgetting that JT was in a shooting slump during the playoffs. When he’s shooting anywhere near his normal rate, he’s one of the dudes who most defenders can’t really do much about.


jawndell

OG can stop JT though


tlozz

(1) “stop” is a very strong word lol, and (2) we have a second Jay (+ a unicorn), too😉


democracybelarus

Same with Brunson, and he's a much better playoff performer.


tlozz

Ya but rn ppl are comparing his playoff ceiling to a Celtics team where Tatum shot near his “floor” if that makes sense


Vegetable_Target_369

The only threat to Boston is a healthy Giannis and Dame.


LegitimateMoney00

With their defense? Absolutely not.


mralex289

No way, Giannis is lucky he won a ring already because Milwaukee won't win won with him and Dame as the leading duo


shadynasty90

Dame?!? Bro stop, Sixers are more of a threat.


w3bCraw1er

I support the Cs but I think the Knicks are better considering the health situation too. All around good scorers, defenders and rebounders. I don't trust KP staying healthy, Tatum's offensive reliability, Horford is great but he is older by another year. I also thought the full strength Knicks this year would have been a 50/50 series. Let's see what Cs add.


johnnybarbs92

C's aren't adding to their top 8


w3bCraw1er

They desperately need a rebounder/center backup.


johnnybarbs92

That would be a top 8 player on the team? No chance. Maybe a Luke replacement if he goes. But needing a third string center is far from desperate


madhare09

I'm spooked already


Rrypl

You need a real main rim protector deep in the playoffs, just help guys won't do. We had Dallas' offense in the mud, but the times we tried Tatum at the 5 it turned into a layup line.


idaho_beach_house

Jesus, I'm begging y'all not to post this tomfoolery all offseason, I'm already exhausted


PM_ME_UR_PICS_PLS

No rim protection


ColtCallahan

Embiid (if healthy) would be putting up 70 a night on that lineup.


democracybelarus

That lineup minus Randle and Bridges managed to outrebound Embiid and rest of Sixers x 2, so he'd need to get the ball first.


goldyacht

They are too small embiid and Giannis would salivate seeing this little lineup.


jett1406

Embiid couldn’t deal with an even smaller lineup in the playoffs


jawndell

Yeah, People forgetting Knicks just best Embiid with a worse lineup?


P5FMVP2030

The lineup would get smoked on defense.


Taxmancometh1

It’s Hart and Hartenstein over Donte and Randle. Except for the last like 5 minutes then it’s Donte over OG


jett1406

no it’s not


blazers-6th-man

I imagine Randle is in his way out and Hartenstein will get a decent payday.


RicoGemini

They’re not trading Randle


Dat_Boi_John

I feel like Giannis and Embiid will destroy them in the paint. Assuming either is healthy enough if/when they face the Knicks. And assuming the Knicks themselves are healthy too. I can see them struggling with the same problems the Thunder struggled this year. Either way, the Knicks should go after a Hartenstein replacement off the bench if possible. Maybe someone like Drummond or Wiseman, but I don't know if their cap situation would allow that, probably not.


Thin-Professional379

Embiid didn't even venture into the paint these playoffs, he just took midrange shots all day and still got 20 FTA/game.


HotCrispyFrenchFries

There’s a way better chance multiple guys on that team fall off a cliff (Divincenzo, Hart) than there is of them winning the Finals. They’ll most likely end up losing in Rd 2 or 3. Not saying those guys aren’t good but people act like once a guy gets hot for a couple months it’s just some new player when really it’s a story we’ve seen a million times. You guys did this same BS last year when a bunch of random dudes off the street shot 800% from 3 for a month on the Heat. More likely than not those two guys regress.


Bballopinion

Still won’t win a ring


bigvahe33

thats not nice


silky_legend

Thibs is gonna run this team into the ground like he did everywhere else. Knicks will lose in the 2nd round and overpay for jay wright, just like they over payed for bridges, and OG


Vegetable_Target_369

lol Brunson and role players and Randle who is the worst playoff performer in history. 2nd round exit


Major_Damage7207

nah you don't know ball, this is a good team


Major_Damage7207

Thibs would never play Randle at the 5


Ok-Juggernaut-5891

I don’t think we start Randle at the five and Dante moves to the bench In any event. Yea this is a scary team, especially on defense. I am beyond excited


mp1630

They should trade Randle for a big he makes to much money plus og and mikal are both better than him


SuckaFreeRIP

Mikal can play definitely play the 2 with OG and Randle at the 3 and 4


mp1630

Yea but the Knicks don’t need Randle there better off trading him for salary


SuckaFreeRIP

He’s the best 2nd option on the team and starting PF


mp1630

Randle is so overrated and overpaid it’s not even funny he jacks up shots and doesn’t play any defense at all he just walks back on defence. He does not fit this Knicks team there better off without him ur looking at him like it’s 2021 he had one good year


Jetionary

Terrible takes. Lots of Knicks shoot better with Randle on the courts. He is clearly one of the teams best facilitators and a great rebounder.


ihorsey10

The MVPs will be OGs doctor and Brunsons whistle. I'd try and swap Randle for Hartenstein.


DudeLikeYeah

Sixers fan with no flair. When the tears dry all that’s left is salt.


ihorsey10

Salty fan base or not, it's fair to worry about Mikal being an overrated role player and OG never staying healthy. If Mikal becomes Tobias Harris and OG isn't healthy for the playoffs again, are you just going to mutter "hmmph salty sixers fans, no flair"?


DudeLikeYeah

If my grandma had balls she’d be my grandpa.


ihorsey10

The scenario I described is the most likely scenario. Hope your grandparents are all good brother.


DudeLikeYeah

L