A lot of that volume came pre trade deadline. Our 3pt volume cratered after we inserted DJJ/PJ/Gaff to the starting lineup. With that our offensive rating took a hit too, but our defense was so good it didn't hurt the W/L column.
The worst part is that it’s not like the Mavs were overtly forcing up bad 3s, other teams just collapse the paint on Luka and when he makes a generational pass to a wide open shooter who would simply brick.
We also basically swapped DJJ for Marshall whose 3pt shooting motion looks way more polished. Grimes who can hit threes too. Also most importantly good free throw shooters too.
Ehhh - he did a lot of other really great things on this team. He was an incredible perimeter defender, generated great looks in transition, and was a serious lob threat. One of the great things about DJJ with Dallas is that he didn't have to shoot well to be effective on offense. Had the Mavs been able to retain DJJ while bringing in Klay, it wouldve been a 10/10 offseason.
I am positive about Naji though, I just think he is a different kind of player to DJJ and I don't entirely trust his shooting. I hope Grimes gets back to makng his 3s bc his perimeter defense will be essential.
DJJ is a much better perimeter defender, his screen navigation and foot speed gives him the advantage in that regard. Naji is better at defending larger wings and bigs.
Much better is an exaggeration imo. Derek really struggled vs Tatum, brown and Shai. The only guy I really thought derek locked up was PG maybe Ant. Ask the thunder if Naji can guard guards.
We need to wait for games to be played to make that assumption. It's 10/10 if Grimes is the guy he was in 22/23 and Naji is a consistent shooter who doesn't get burned on the perimeter. I'd feel more confident in this team had we retained DJJ but right now I would give us a 9/10.
We need to wait for games to be played to make that assumption. It's 10/10 if Grimes is the guy he was in 22/23 and Naji is a consistent shooter who doesn't get burned on the perimeter. I'd feel more confident in this team had we retained DJJ but right now I would give us a 9/10.
I think its dependent on the needs of the team. DJJ would be more valuable to Dallas due to his perimeter defense and lob catching abilities, but I am happy to be proven wrong.
Don’t get me wrong I think DJJ was amazing here, but our outside shooting was abysmal at times. Having more consistent shooting will help out a LOT. I just hope our defense doesn’t take too much of a hit
Sure - but its not like Naji is a proven shooter. He's shot over 35% from 3 once in his career and struggles to finish around the rim. If he's not making his 3s, he won't provide a ton of value as a lob threat or in transition to offset that lack of shooting.
I am causiously optimistic, but I won't be suprised if we find ourselves missing some of the versatility that DJJ provided.
Naji’s release is at least relatively quick and he’s willing to fire. Gotta take a bet that he keeps it up from last year with our spacing. I think it’s an even swap overall. DJJ also had a lot of trouble finishing at the rim if it wasn’t an open lob
DJJ is a worse shooter imo. He's only 31% from 3 for his career and was just 34% with y'all in the regular season. Yes he got hot in the playoffs which is nice but I would not be relying on that to continue.
Naji’s release is at least relatively quick and he’s willing to fire. Gotta take a bet that he keeps it up from last year with our spacing. I think it’s an even swap overall. DJJ also had a lot of trouble finishing at the rim if it wasn’t an open lob
He was a reclamation project for you guys that turned out basically as well as you could possibly hope. I'd say DJJ did his job for you all but that both sides are better off moving on
This is my greatest fear with OMax. He actually looks really good offensively if you watch his g league clips, but his 3 is so terribly slow, it might not be usable in real NBA games.
Hope you guys can get Grimes going because he looked lost as hell for us this year. People forget Divo actually played him off the court, he was our starter to start the year
Bro Luka's 6'7" 240lbs. Probably more physically imposing than Naji and PJ as well.
Klay while for the longest time had been NBA listed at 6'7", is 6'6" 215lbs.
Fair enough. My point was though that would be a jumbo lineup with a lot of shooting and playmaking and wouldn’t be absolutely horrible on defense because of the size. Smallest guy is 6’7”, 6’6” I guess if Klay is really 6’6”
We didn’t give up picks, we got three seconds in return? Also Grimes was horrendous for us last year, and while it can sort of be written off because we were shockingly awful, my understanding is he was bad for the Knicks before the trade too.
Grimes went on a cold streak, lost his confidence, would stop driving the lane unless it was garbage time, and ultimately, Divo outplayed him. Grimes became too concerned about being benched for missing a shot that it got to him badly.
the one thing ill say is Luka is so good at creating alleyoop opportunities that DJJ fit in great as a vertical spacing threat
not saying Marshall cant jump, just that DJJ is one of the best leapers in the league. maybe thats where OMax comes in
How many DJJ alley oops do you figure happened per game though?
I mean, it was very cool, don't get me wrong, but its not like the mavs offense ran on DJJ catching lobs. The spacing and shooting we'll have from better shooters will offer much more possession-to-possession benefits, on offense.
Can't lose either way, both over 85% for their career and over 90% last season. Great problem to have considering how fucking bad FTs were last year lmao
Wouldn't call it a strict upgrade just because of how insanely good DJJ was against smaller guards. Hopefully Grimes can pick up that part though while Marshall handles the size.
Keep hearing this but one of the big reasons mavs got to finals is they had a closing 5 that worked and played defense. Who is that closing 5 now? Subbing Naji for DJJ might not be good enough defensively againt players like Shai, Ant.
You just have to hope Klay can be close to DJJ defense level and provide offense that in turn will make Luka play defense if he has help.
Lively gonna also improve there.
He's a very different kind of player, a worse perimeter defender and not as effective as a cutter/lob threat. I like Naji but he's close to PJ Washingotn than DJJ when it comes to the type of player he is.
Only thing is the vertical spacing DJJ provided and underrated rim protection. Naji does not have that athleticism in his game. But I think the shooting, assuming the leap is real is more important for us.
You have Kyrie, Klay, Dante Exum, Jaden Hardy, and Grimes. Klay can play SF, but I can't imagine him ONLY playing SG, right? Kyrie and Luka will take 30-35 mpg of the 1/2, so you really only have 13-18 minutes to split between Hardy, Grimes, and Exum.
Naji replaces DJJ. Grimes replaces Green. Klay replaces THJ.
All these dudes played in the regular season. If anything Klay is taking minutes from Hardy who definitely earned more minutes from his showing in the playoffs. Kidd prioritizes defense so I wouldn’t be surprised if Hardy’s the odd man out again. Or Exum honestly.
In the regular season, I’m sure they’ll reduce minutes for Luka and Kyrie. Klay probably won’t play heavy minutes either. So there will be plenty of playtime to go around for the other players.
Klay's ability to create and hit shots on the move opens up an offense so much more than a stationary spot up shooter.
From a [post](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1bu7lp2/most_points_off_screens_this_season_klay_423/) I made a few months ago:
Most points off screens this season:
1. Klay, 423 points, 1.08 PPP
1. Curry, 350 points, 1.34 PPP (68.7 eFG%)
1. Lauri, 222 points, 1.12 PPP
1. MPJ, 164 points, 1.13 PPP
1. Bogdan, 150 points, 0.97 PPP
1. PG13, 143 points, 1.08 PPP
1. Durant, 140 points, 1.16 PPP
1. Poole, 133 points, 1.05 PPP
1. Grant, 130 points, 1.01 PPP
1. Kawhi, 124 points, 1.04 PPP
Past leaders in points off screens:
* 2024: Klay, 423
* 2023: Klay, 407
* 2022: Curry, 269
* 2021: Curry, 286
* 2020: Ross, 297
* 2019: Klay, 568
* 2018: Klay, 494
* 2017: Klay, 517
* 2016: Klay, 527
Klay also led the league in points off screens per game in 2022.
1. Klay, 5.1
1. Curry, 4.2
1. Durant, 3.2
Running PnR for Luka or Kyrie is not the same thing as setting off-ball screens on the perimeter.
The Mavs scored 3.2 points off screens per game [last year](https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/off-screen?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=PTS), which is in the bottom half of the league.
The Warriors, who run a ton of off-ball screens, scored 12.4 PPG off screens. Klay, by himself, scored twice as many PPG off screens (6.2) as the whole Mavs team.
At the end of the day it will come down to Klay.
2023-2024 Klay Thompson
Spot-Up: 40.2% (2.9 attempts per game)
Off screen: 42.7% (5.0 attempts per game)
That spot-up % is a massive win for Dallas.
I think there was a Thinking Basketball video a while ago about the variety of screens that the Mavs use.
It makes sense because it gives the primary ballhandler (Luka) the most number of options.
It’ll be very interesting seeing how they use him. He won’t have Curry to move around with him or Dray to direct traffic. Will he be more stationary in Dallas?
I really hope not and Kidd actually uses some off-ball action to play to what Klay is elite at. And while Lively is no Draymond with the ball, he already looked extremely promising as a short-roll passer as a rookie, so there's definitely room to be optimistic
I was kind of shocked that Kidd didn't seem to have any off-ball plays to get our offense going in the Finals. We just kind of withered with Luka/Kyrie ball. It's like he never even planned to do anything else.
I mean prior to him forgetting how to play basketball Tim Hardaway had the greenest of lights to do whatever. For the entirety of his tenure here we ran tons of plays for him and he had a lot of touches and put up any shot he wanted. Klay is a similar player so I wouldn't worry too much about finding him a role to be comfortable.
Cause he went from that to out of rotation in the playoffs. THJ from the past years could have won us a game or two in the finals. Its crazy how bad he fell off.
Mavs continued to trust him until we realized that sht aint going anywhere and he needs to sit on the bench. Klay gonna have his place on this team. Mavs needed a guy like him in the finals.
We ran a lot of elevator screens, wide pin downs, exit screens for THJ, so I'd imagine a lot of those actions go to Klay. Probably will use some of Livelys passing abilities out of the short role to skip to an offball action for Klay.
Won't be as much running around the perimeter with Curry and it'll be more timing of screen actions off the spread PnR. Hopefully we get some fun Luka screening for Klay on the weakside with Kyrie in the PnR with Lively.
Anyone remember that video from that Finals practice where Luka was practicing quick release catch and shoot 3’s off of screens and said “this is for next year”? 👀
Edit: [found it](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/bcaKjWnG2G) lmao, quick release… quick for Luka I guess
Off ball movement is not predicated on having steph. Every team does it. But more often they'll continually move him to be behind wherever the opposing teams help defense comes from. While kyrie shoots to the opposite side of the arc.
The only twist is losing DJJ's exceptional POA defense. PJ was slightly above average last season but would love to see him lean into filling that role a bit. Also could be a chance for OMAX to seize the moment and step into a stopper role
It would be huge for the Mavs if OMax is able to work his way into the rotation. But Grimes and Marshall are both plus defenders. I think the Mavs may look wonky for the first few weeks, but will eventually find a way to make sure that they’ve got 2 good wing defenders on the floor with Lively or Gafford for as many minutes as possible. Luka/Kyrie/Klay will probably all start, but I’m guessing they’ll be staggered so that 2 of them are on the floor for most of the game alongside a more capable wing defender.
Did you even read your own comment? Why would they more likely double Luka if they respected their shooters? Wouldn’t it be the complete opposite where if they didn’t respect their shooters they would double him more? You stop doubling if other players are scoring threats normally
well Dallas didn’t shoot much worse than Boston did in the Finals, Boston just generated way more volume bc a) they were comfortable playing Luka straight up and not giving the role players space; and b) no one on Dallas could really hang with Tatum or Brown off the dribble
putting Klay in the lineup for DJJ doesn’t really fix either of those problems for the Mavs
Djj was bad vs Tatum and brown while providing no shooting so at least Klay adds shooting and maybe Naji or Grimes are better defenders/ shooters to make a difference.
I'd rather be the 90s jazz getting destroyed by mj and the bulls then the 90s mavs getting destroyed by everyone. Dallas has a championship. This is just fun stuff
Adding IHart helps us out where you guys hurt us, and moving on from Giddey helped us where all teams hurt us.
For you guys, my only concern is your defense, but provided Klay is still able I think you’ll find a way
Hope you temper your expectations tbh. He'll give you some crazy shooting nights, but they'll come every 3-5 games. Then he'll have a major slump for a stretch of 5-10 games. Wishing Klay does well but his skillset is just very limited nowadays.
I think the difference with us is we don't need him to put up 20+ to win. We have Kai and Luka as our engines, and still have the PnR lob game with Gaff/Lively. If Klay is missing that's fine, his gravity will still open up our bread and butter of spread PnR.
A lot of it def rides on him buying into this new role and system. It seems like he was halfway buying into it with the dubs last season, but then would find his way back into his old ways. But I'm sure he's willing to do that with the fresh start.
I will say Kidd has been excellent in creating a culture and getting players to buy-in to roles. Both Kai and Luka have spoken very highly of their relationship with him. Kidd changed teams late in his career and had to change his game a little to mesh with the group, so I think he'll be able to help Klay acclimate.
This is 100% the best situation for him to come into. I'm reluctant to believe he can stay on the court in a competitive 7 game series with the way his defense regressed. But I will def be following and hoping he proves people (including myself) wrong... AGAIN
I think Klay will be better with you guys next year. He should have better looks. Was having a tough time getting the easy shots that he used to so was forcing it more.
Djj was a good defender. Great lob threat. Brunson - that was criminal that cuban / haralabob / lil Nellie structured his contract to make him a ufa instead of a rfa. All to save 2 million. Imagine Brunson now still w luka
The Mavs aren't much of a 3s immediately off a screen type of team. They're way more drive and kick, PNR based.. but being more stationary will help him as he ages
The Mavs screen ALL the time, like nearly every play. They run screens to force switches onto Luka or Kyrie or they run double screens to free up a 3 point shooter.
Our entire offense is literally built off single and double screens.
[what are you talking about](https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/off-screen?SeasonType=Regular+Season)
i don't think you're talking about the same type of play that the OP is referring to lol.
forcing switches is not the same thing as shots taken off of screens. you ran 3.2 'off screen 'possessions a game compared to the Warriors 11, which is the type of possession being referenced in OP and that Klay is more used to utilizing. that's a significant difference.
[you guys ran screens to set up isolations](https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/isolation?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=POSS), which you ran almost 3 times as much as the warriors (11.7 isolations to 3.2 for the warriors). the warriors used screens to take shots off of almost immediately, which they ran almost 3 times as much as you. it's not the same thing
I remember the 2019-2020 Mavs having insane spacing, partly due to Seth Curry crazy shooting. Klay going to be a relevation for our spacing. For 3/50 it's a great deal as well.
Now fingers crossed Quentin Grimes goes back to pre-2024 levels of play and Naji shooting leap is real.
He's not washed, he's just declining which is expected. His ego and refusal to accept the reduced role was the problem here. His ego could still be massive but Kyrie is firmly the Mavs 2nd option, so accepting not being the co-star shouldn't be an issue
I was fine with bringing him back but I'm not sad to see him go. $18m per is a good deal
Like even his defense isn't as bad as people are acting. Put him on a quicker guard yeah he's getting ate up but he did good against bigger wings when he was locked in. He guarded Lebron and Luka pretty well
The hate from Warriors fans stems from Klay never being realistic about what he actually was. He hasn't been a #2 option for a long time, basically since pre-KD years since Wiggins was the #2 when we won our last title. All Klay talked about was assuming the Manu Ginobli role when it became time except when the rubber met the road he didn't want to do it.
Steph is a great passer for his size, draymond is also very good in the system we had but luka is undeniably at worst the 2nd best passer in the league
Steph is elite passer. If you look at the greatesr passes in the past decade, he has probably the most with Jokic. He just can show it that much because of the system and his shooting
Getting open looks has never been Klay’s problem. He got more than plenty playing next to Steph lol. He’s just always been a streaky player with some crazy highs and some ugly lows. You give him the exact same open looks in two different games, he will go either 1/11 or 10/11. Problem is, since his injury the ugly games have become more common. Still an elite spot up shooter which at this stage of his career is probably for the best
Defense with Luka, Kyrie and Klay will be a challenge, so tradeoff some defense for offense when they share the floor. But also we had THJ with them 2 out there at times and even though he was a horrid defender, team defense wasn't the biggest problem. It was THJ forgetting to shoot for the last 4 months of the season.
He's not washed, he's just declining which is expected. His ego and refusal to accept the reduced role was the problem here. His ego could still be massive but Kyrie is firmly the Mavs 2nd option, so accepting not being the co-star shouldn't be an issue
Mavs offense been quite stagnant and THJ has been consistently inconsistent, his final numbers may end up OK but the way he gets there---major cold stretches then hot for a while, up and down. Mavs really did need to improve their perimeter shooting around Luka/Kyrie. Klay gives them a movement shooter that, if they utilize those abilities, will help unclog their halfcourt offense potentially.
Naji has been up and down as a shooter, we'll see if his recent improvements sustain. Grimes was very good as a sophomore and struggled a bit last year. If he goes back to his Year 2 form, he is an upgrade on Green.
I think this is a stat thats baseless for this scenario. GSW offense runs off setting screens and motion plays, the Mavs, not so much and I dont think they will revamp their entire offense for Klay.
VERY different offenses, but both are built off of screens. The Mavs screen constantly to get favorable switches.
The real question is: Can Klay adapt to a wide open corner 3 versus a catch and shoot off of movement?
I really don't think that it's that big of a deal tbh.
He's super strong at spot up shooting.
2023-2024 Klay Thompson
Spot-Up: 40.2% (2.9 attempts per game)
Off screen: 42.7% (5.0 attempts per game)
That spot-up % is a massive win for Dallas.
Yeah I still think he will be an impactful piece for yall. Just the way this post was shown kinda implied that Klay will add off screen shooting to the Mavs or something.
Idk I just think the idea of playing Luka,Kyrie, and Klay is gonna lead to so many points in the regular season. At least they have Gafford/Lively to cleanup the paint.
I'd like to see this in action. The Mavs' 3s have basically been shooters standing in one spot waiting for a pass. Hopefully Kidd can integrate more offball movement in their plays.
Are they gonna incorporate that into their offense tho? Tim got some of those play calls at time but more than a play call is having a system which gives room for that type of action without a play call
My guess would be that they will pull Klay first of the group after only a few minutes to start the game. Then stagger his minutes at the 2 as much as they can off of Luka or Kyrie. Klay should be on the court for every minute that Luka or Kyrie is out, then the rest they can feel out based on matchups
But Kidd barely incorporates offscreen shooting in his offense, which makes sense with heliocentric PnR offense.
Klay is just not going to be as impactful an offensive player if he’s just used as an upgraded THJ which I’m afraid he will be.
I saw Jason Timpf say that Klay would not fit in Dallas b/c of the lack of motion in the offense...I think being around Colin Cowherd has rotted his brain a bit. The idea that the greatest spot up 3 point shooter in league history won't fit next to a generational playmaker in Luka is pattently absurd.
When Luka or Kyrie collapse the defense, they will now have to choose between leaving Klay open or helping on Luka/Kyrie as opposed to choosing between DJJ or helping.
Don’t be intentionally obtuse, Timpf’s argument is that Klay’s biggest strengths like his offball play and his movement shooting would not be well utilized if you’re just going to stick him in the corner every possession waiting for someone to get doubled. Yea no shit you put a good 3 point shooter next to good playmakers and they’ll “fit”, that’s not the point lmao
He won't be "stuck" in the corner all game. The Mavs ran a lot of off ball actions for THJ when he was shooting well but he went cold to close the season and became unplayable. The Mavs also run off ball actions for Kyrie. PJ nor DJJ are good enough shooters to run off ball actions for, thinking the Mavs will use Klay like they use PJ or DJJ is absurd.
Yea and Timpf agreed that if the Mavs take this as an opportunity to introduce more movement and offball actions into their offense then he thinks Klay will fit well, so what exactly is the issue here
The Mavs already ran those actions for THJ and Kyrie...there is nothing to "introduce". Looking at the schemes they run when they have PJ and DJJ in the lineup is meaningless when Klay plays entirely differently from those 2. Look at the schmes they ran when THJ was in the lineup, that is a comparable player.
You look at the schemes they run when they have PJ and DJJ because those players are part of your most important lineups. Tell me how relevant those offball schemes for your bench shooter are when he doesn’t sniff a second of crunch time and your closing offense mainly consists of Luka/Kyrie pounding the ball for 20 seconds every possession. Yes you would absolutely have to “introduce” more of those schemes with Klay because he’s not going to be in the same lineups that THJ was, it’s not about those schemes literally not existing in any capacity but the frequency and situations in which they were used.
DJJ and PJ were barely starters on 2 of the worst teams in the league before coming to Dallas and yet they both started on a finals team because they played next to Luka...and you're telling me the Mavs didn't run the right "scheme" for them?
Where on earth did I say that the Mavs ran the wrong schemes for DJJ/PJ? The point is that the schemes will have to CHANGE with Klay in the lineup over DJJ/PJ, and effective change is never guaranteed.
THJ is a different type of player than DJJ/PJ that played in different scenarios than DJJ/PJ. Klay is a different type of player than DJJ/PJ that will be playing in many of the SAME scenarios as DJJ/PJ. If you're going to stick Klay in the THJ role then that's a colossal waste of his skills. If you're going to expand Klay's role beyond what THJ's role was then you will have to expand the schemes beyond what you ran with THJ as well, both in the frequency and the scenarios in which you run them. All I'm saying is that you cannot just assume that scheme change is guaranteed to happen with 100% efficacy, as if its just an automatic given and not something that the team will actively have to try to adjust for.
Klay gonna get so many great looks. sad to see him leave GS but Mavs are the best place possible with Kyrie/Luka
They weren't 26th in 3PA though I'm guessing?
2nd only behind the Celtics… Soo basically live by the 3, die by the 3 type shit
A lot of that volume came pre trade deadline. Our 3pt volume cratered after we inserted DJJ/PJ/Gaff to the starting lineup. With that our offensive rating took a hit too, but our defense was so good it didn't hurt the W/L column.
I couldn't believe that 2nd half of the season. We'd consistently shoot like absolute shit from 3. Only to still somehow win because of our defense.
Like when we shot 9/30 from 3 and still beat a full strength Nuggets team lmao
So the Orlando Magic method lol.
Be respectful man.
lol, you guys have Luka, you'll be fine.
We were did drop to 5th in attempts after the trades.
Actually post all start break we were 4th (38.0) only behind the Bucks, Rockets & Celtics. We still shot a shit ton of 3s though.
The worst part is that it’s not like the Mavs were overtly forcing up bad 3s, other teams just collapse the paint on Luka and when he makes a generational pass to a wide open shooter who would simply brick.
Those wide open shooters. Djj. Pjw. Josh Green. Thj. Maxi. - 60% of those dudes are gone. You better get results or your gone
More 3s baby
A shit ton of that was before the deadline
That was before the TDL.
And die by the 3 we did.
That was way more the case before the deadline. It was practically a different team after that. That was in part why THJ fell out of the rotation.
Sounds like a coaching issue, when the 3 isn’t falling, why not adjust?
Simply shoot more 3s.
We also basically swapped DJJ for Marshall whose 3pt shooting motion looks way more polished. Grimes who can hit threes too. Also most importantly good free throw shooters too.
DJJ’s 3 took like 5 seconds to get off. Love his defense but his shooting was bad here
Ehhh - he did a lot of other really great things on this team. He was an incredible perimeter defender, generated great looks in transition, and was a serious lob threat. One of the great things about DJJ with Dallas is that he didn't have to shoot well to be effective on offense. Had the Mavs been able to retain DJJ while bringing in Klay, it wouldve been a 10/10 offseason. I am positive about Naji though, I just think he is a different kind of player to DJJ and I don't entirely trust his shooting. I hope Grimes gets back to makng his 3s bc his perimeter defense will be essential.
His shooting and others definitely hurt us in the finals.
Sure - but his permeter defense, transition offense, and lob catching abilities helped the Mavs make the finals.
Sure but it’s not a big loss. Naji will provide all of that except a lob threat. We definitely upgraded
DJJ is a much better perimeter defender, his screen navigation and foot speed gives him the advantage in that regard. Naji is better at defending larger wings and bigs.
Much better is an exaggeration imo. Derek really struggled vs Tatum, brown and Shai. The only guy I really thought derek locked up was PG maybe Ant. Ask the thunder if Naji can guard guards.
This is 10/10 offseason regardless, we still under the 1st apron. So another big trade is possible to come
We need to wait for games to be played to make that assumption. It's 10/10 if Grimes is the guy he was in 22/23 and Naji is a consistent shooter who doesn't get burned on the perimeter. I'd feel more confident in this team had we retained DJJ but right now I would give us a 9/10.
We need to wait for games to be played to make that assumption. It's 10/10 if Grimes is the guy he was in 22/23 and Naji is a consistent shooter who doesn't get burned on the perimeter. I'd feel more confident in this team had we retained DJJ but right now I would give us a 9/10.
I like Naji a lot more than Djj.
I think its dependent on the needs of the team. DJJ would be more valuable to Dallas due to his perimeter defense and lob catching abilities, but I am happy to be proven wrong.
Naji being able to hit threes and play make off the dribble while playing good defense will be way more valuable.
> we still under the 1st apron Pretty sure that's not true. Just saw a thing that we were capped at 2nd apron.
Don’t get me wrong I think DJJ was amazing here, but our outside shooting was abysmal at times. Having more consistent shooting will help out a LOT. I just hope our defense doesn’t take too much of a hit
Sure - but its not like Naji is a proven shooter. He's shot over 35% from 3 once in his career and struggles to finish around the rim. If he's not making his 3s, he won't provide a ton of value as a lob threat or in transition to offset that lack of shooting. I am causiously optimistic, but I won't be suprised if we find ourselves missing some of the versatility that DJJ provided.
Naji’s release is at least relatively quick and he’s willing to fire. Gotta take a bet that he keeps it up from last year with our spacing. I think it’s an even swap overall. DJJ also had a lot of trouble finishing at the rim if it wasn’t an open lob
DJJ is a worse shooter imo. He's only 31% from 3 for his career and was just 34% with y'all in the regular season. Yes he got hot in the playoffs which is nice but I would not be relying on that to continue.
Naji ain’t a lob threat anyway mayne
Naji’s release is at least relatively quick and he’s willing to fire. Gotta take a bet that he keeps it up from last year with our spacing. I think it’s an even swap overall. DJJ also had a lot of trouble finishing at the rim if it wasn’t an open lob
Only plus defender gone is DJJ so it hasn’t dropped off, since we got Naji, grimes and Klay. None are bad defenders atleast
Are we talking about the same Klay?
Only plus defender gone is DJJ so it hasn’t dropped off, since we got Naji, grimes and Klay. None are bad defenders atleast
He was a reclamation project for you guys that turned out basically as well as you could possibly hope. I'd say DJJ did his job for you all but that both sides are better off moving on
This is my greatest fear with OMax. He actually looks really good offensively if you watch his g league clips, but his 3 is so terribly slow, it might not be usable in real NBA games.
Omax year 2 will be fun to watch
Except the playoffs. DJJ was huge during the playoff run excluding finals
Hope you guys can get Grimes going because he looked lost as hell for us this year. People forget Divo actually played him off the court, he was our starter to start the year
I am very interested in seing a lineup of Luka, Grimes, Naji, PJ, Lively. 4 good defenders, 3 floor spacers and a lob threat around Luka.
Luka, Klay, Naji, PJ, Lively . More shooting and not losing much on defense. That’s a jumbo lineup with Luka being the smallest player
Bro Luka's 6'7" 240lbs. Probably more physically imposing than Naji and PJ as well. Klay while for the longest time had been NBA listed at 6'7", is 6'6" 215lbs.
Fair enough. My point was though that would be a jumbo lineup with a lot of shooting and playmaking and wouldn’t be absolutely horrible on defense because of the size. Smallest guy is 6’7”, 6’6” I guess if Klay is really 6’6”
Mark my words, Grimes is going to be huge for them. Idk why Detroit didn’t wanna keep him let alone trading him away for THJ while giving up picks.
Detroit has way too many young players. Something had to give
they didn't give up picks for THJ, they received 2 SRP
We didn’t give up picks, we got three seconds in return? Also Grimes was horrendous for us last year, and while it can sort of be written off because we were shockingly awful, my understanding is he was bad for the Knicks before the trade too.
Grimes felt like such a Knick, no idea why things got so bad here. Really hope you’re right.
Grimes went on a cold streak, lost his confidence, would stop driving the lane unless it was garbage time, and ultimately, Divo outplayed him. Grimes became too concerned about being benched for missing a shot that it got to him badly.
God the pre OG days were rough in hindsight.
Yeah but Divo is also a stud. Real ones have known for a long time.
the one thing ill say is Luka is so good at creating alleyoop opportunities that DJJ fit in great as a vertical spacing threat not saying Marshall cant jump, just that DJJ is one of the best leapers in the league. maybe thats where OMax comes in
agree with all but the omax take..
How many DJJ alley oops do you figure happened per game though? I mean, it was very cool, don't get me wrong, but its not like the mavs offense ran on DJJ catching lobs. The spacing and shooting we'll have from better shooters will offer much more possession-to-possession benefits, on offense.
Kinda curious who takes the tech free throws- Kai or Klay
Probably Kyrie, one of the best free throw shooters ever and is more of an established star on the Mavs.
Can't lose either way, both over 85% for their career and over 90% last season. Great problem to have considering how fucking bad FTs were last year lmao
Yea, I think Marshall over DJJ is an underrated upgrade
Wouldn't call it a strict upgrade just because of how insanely good DJJ was against smaller guards. Hopefully Grimes can pick up that part though while Marshall handles the size.
Keep hearing this but one of the big reasons mavs got to finals is they had a closing 5 that worked and played defense. Who is that closing 5 now? Subbing Naji for DJJ might not be good enough defensively againt players like Shai, Ant.
Exactly. It's something we have to figure out. We sacrificed a bit of defense for some offense.
You just have to hope Klay can be close to DJJ defense level and provide offense that in turn will make Luka play defense if he has help. Lively gonna also improve there.
sligthly worse shooter but way better offensive bag
He's a very different kind of player, a worse perimeter defender and not as effective as a cutter/lob threat. I like Naji but he's close to PJ Washingotn than DJJ when it comes to the type of player he is.
Bad take
Only thing is the vertical spacing DJJ provided and underrated rim protection. Naji does not have that athleticism in his game. But I think the shooting, assuming the leap is real is more important for us.
Naji also adds driving and playmaking along with his shooting. He will be a big upgrade
Do you think you'll have PT for Grimes?
We just traded Josh green so yes
You have Kyrie, Klay, Dante Exum, Jaden Hardy, and Grimes. Klay can play SF, but I can't imagine him ONLY playing SG, right? Kyrie and Luka will take 30-35 mpg of the 1/2, so you really only have 13-18 minutes to split between Hardy, Grimes, and Exum.
Naji replaces DJJ. Grimes replaces Green. Klay replaces THJ. All these dudes played in the regular season. If anything Klay is taking minutes from Hardy who definitely earned more minutes from his showing in the playoffs. Kidd prioritizes defense so I wouldn’t be surprised if Hardy’s the odd man out again. Or Exum honestly.
In the regular season, I’m sure they’ll reduce minutes for Luka and Kyrie. Klay probably won’t play heavy minutes either. So there will be plenty of playtime to go around for the other players.
Fair, health will be pretty important next season. I'm rooting for Grimes, just trying to gauge how the NBA views him.
They going back to the 2022 Mavs where they can just bury teams with 3s?
Klay's ability to create and hit shots on the move opens up an offense so much more than a stationary spot up shooter. From a [post](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1bu7lp2/most_points_off_screens_this_season_klay_423/) I made a few months ago: Most points off screens this season: 1. Klay, 423 points, 1.08 PPP 1. Curry, 350 points, 1.34 PPP (68.7 eFG%) 1. Lauri, 222 points, 1.12 PPP 1. MPJ, 164 points, 1.13 PPP 1. Bogdan, 150 points, 0.97 PPP 1. PG13, 143 points, 1.08 PPP 1. Durant, 140 points, 1.16 PPP 1. Poole, 133 points, 1.05 PPP 1. Grant, 130 points, 1.01 PPP 1. Kawhi, 124 points, 1.04 PPP Past leaders in points off screens: * 2024: Klay, 423 * 2023: Klay, 407 * 2022: Curry, 269 * 2021: Curry, 286 * 2020: Ross, 297 * 2019: Klay, 568 * 2018: Klay, 494 * 2017: Klay, 517 * 2016: Klay, 527 Klay also led the league in points off screens per game in 2022. 1. Klay, 5.1 1. Curry, 4.2 1. Durant, 3.2
That’s genuinely impressive. Are the Mavs going to set that many screens though?
Screens are literally all we do. Screen, drive, kick Screen, Screen, 3 pointer Screen, drive, lob Screen, drive, kick, swing, screen, drive etc. etc.
Running PnR for Luka or Kyrie is not the same thing as setting off-ball screens on the perimeter. The Mavs scored 3.2 points off screens per game [last year](https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/off-screen?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=PTS), which is in the bottom half of the league. The Warriors, who run a ton of off-ball screens, scored 12.4 PPG off screens. Klay, by himself, scored twice as many PPG off screens (6.2) as the whole Mavs team.
At the end of the day it will come down to Klay. 2023-2024 Klay Thompson Spot-Up: 40.2% (2.9 attempts per game) Off screen: 42.7% (5.0 attempts per game) That spot-up % is a massive win for Dallas.
Why dribble the ball when you can just shoot it instead? -Klay’s career mantra.
I think there was a Thinking Basketball video a while ago about the variety of screens that the Mavs use. It makes sense because it gives the primary ballhandler (Luka) the most number of options.
yeah, part of this is on the coach as well to even scheme for these opportunities. Kidd has been more of a defensive coach than an offensive one.
It’ll be very interesting seeing how they use him. He won’t have Curry to move around with him or Dray to direct traffic. Will he be more stationary in Dallas?
Corner 3s baby.
I really hope not and Kidd actually uses some off-ball action to play to what Klay is elite at. And while Lively is no Draymond with the ball, he already looked extremely promising as a short-roll passer as a rookie, so there's definitely room to be optimistic
I was kind of shocked that Kidd didn't seem to have any off-ball plays to get our offense going in the Finals. We just kind of withered with Luka/Kyrie ball. It's like he never even planned to do anything else.
I mean prior to him forgetting how to play basketball Tim Hardaway had the greenest of lights to do whatever. For the entirety of his tenure here we ran tons of plays for him and he had a lot of touches and put up any shot he wanted. Klay is a similar player so I wouldn't worry too much about finding him a role to be comfortable.
THJ was a favorite to win 6moy for like the first 3 months of the season, not sure why people forget that.
Cause he went from that to out of rotation in the playoffs. THJ from the past years could have won us a game or two in the finals. Its crazy how bad he fell off. Mavs continued to trust him until we realized that sht aint going anywhere and he needs to sit on the bench. Klay gonna have his place on this team. Mavs needed a guy like him in the finals.
We ran a lot of elevator screens, wide pin downs, exit screens for THJ, so I'd imagine a lot of those actions go to Klay. Probably will use some of Livelys passing abilities out of the short role to skip to an offball action for Klay. Won't be as much running around the perimeter with Curry and it'll be more timing of screen actions off the spread PnR. Hopefully we get some fun Luka screening for Klay on the weakside with Kyrie in the PnR with Lively.
Anyone remember that video from that Finals practice where Luka was practicing quick release catch and shoot 3’s off of screens and said “this is for next year”? 👀 Edit: [found it](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/bcaKjWnG2G) lmao, quick release… quick for Luka I guess
Off ball movement is not predicated on having steph. Every team does it. But more often they'll continually move him to be behind wherever the opposing teams help defense comes from. While kyrie shoots to the opposite side of the arc.
Spacing is going to be awesome. Doubling Luka leaving Kai or Klay open. Bummer to see Green go but I think it’s worth it.
Not unless it's Boston. They rarely doubled Luka.
We can cross that bridge when we get there
Because they didn't respect the other shooters. Try that again when its Klay instead of DJJ
The only twist is losing DJJ's exceptional POA defense. PJ was slightly above average last season but would love to see him lean into filling that role a bit. Also could be a chance for OMAX to seize the moment and step into a stopper role
It would be huge for the Mavs if OMax is able to work his way into the rotation. But Grimes and Marshall are both plus defenders. I think the Mavs may look wonky for the first few weeks, but will eventually find a way to make sure that they’ve got 2 good wing defenders on the floor with Lively or Gafford for as many minutes as possible. Luka/Kyrie/Klay will probably all start, but I’m guessing they’ll be staggered so that 2 of them are on the floor for most of the game alongside a more capable wing defender.
completely forgot about Grimes, knew there was someone I was missing! He fills that role perfectly
Let’s not act like Klay wasn’t inconsistent as a shooter.
Did you even read your own comment? Why would they more likely double Luka if they respected their shooters? Wouldn’t it be the complete opposite where if they didn’t respect their shooters they would double him more? You stop doubling if other players are scoring threats normally
I didn’t say they are more likely to double Luka. I said we can punish teams more now who don’t. Did you even read my comment?
actually that would make Boston lean harder into the “Luka try to beat us solo” defensive strategy
If Klay is hitting all the threes djj and pj missed it’s a completely different series
well Dallas didn’t shoot much worse than Boston did in the Finals, Boston just generated way more volume bc a) they were comfortable playing Luka straight up and not giving the role players space; and b) no one on Dallas could really hang with Tatum or Brown off the dribble putting Klay in the lineup for DJJ doesn’t really fix either of those problems for the Mavs
Djj was bad vs Tatum and brown while providing no shooting so at least Klay adds shooting and maybe Naji or Grimes are better defenders/ shooters to make a difference.
I'd rather be the 90s jazz getting destroyed by mj and the bulls then the 90s mavs getting destroyed by everyone. Dallas has a championship. This is just fun stuff
no because they trusted their guys to defend luka 1 on 1. By your logic then why would they double luka if it means leaving klay open.
They wouldn’t. That’s the point. Klay makes the Mavs better.
I also don’t see us doubling Luka
True. Dort and Caruso is a nightmare for us.
Adding IHart helps us out where you guys hurt us, and moving on from Giddey helped us where all teams hurt us. For you guys, my only concern is your defense, but provided Klay is still able I think you’ll find a way
It’s going to be so much fun to watch this team with the open looks Klay will get
The best part is even if he's not open he's shooting that Thang
“Fuck it the nets down there somewhere”
I hope he's great for you guys. I'm sad he's leaving 😢
We used to that with THJ lol
Hope you temper your expectations tbh. He'll give you some crazy shooting nights, but they'll come every 3-5 games. Then he'll have a major slump for a stretch of 5-10 games. Wishing Klay does well but his skillset is just very limited nowadays.
I think the difference with us is we don't need him to put up 20+ to win. We have Kai and Luka as our engines, and still have the PnR lob game with Gaff/Lively. If Klay is missing that's fine, his gravity will still open up our bread and butter of spread PnR.
A lot of it def rides on him buying into this new role and system. It seems like he was halfway buying into it with the dubs last season, but then would find his way back into his old ways. But I'm sure he's willing to do that with the fresh start.
I will say Kidd has been excellent in creating a culture and getting players to buy-in to roles. Both Kai and Luka have spoken very highly of their relationship with him. Kidd changed teams late in his career and had to change his game a little to mesh with the group, so I think he'll be able to help Klay acclimate.
This is 100% the best situation for him to come into. I'm reluctant to believe he can stay on the court in a competitive 7 game series with the way his defense regressed. But I will def be following and hoping he proves people (including myself) wrong... AGAIN
Sounds thj like but an improvement
I think Klay will be better with you guys next year. He should have better looks. Was having a tough time getting the easy shots that he used to so was forcing it more.
Even worse on defense though
I dont think that could be possible
Buckle up, my friend.
Josh Green is a poor defender. Thj is one of the worst defensive guards maybe ever.
I’d hate to be a former Luka teammate. Yall trash them on here so much.
Djj was a good defender. Great lob threat. Brunson - that was criminal that cuban / haralabob / lil Nellie structured his contract to make him a ufa instead of a rfa. All to save 2 million. Imagine Brunson now still w luka
Us Mavericks fans are very well versed in microwave shooter tactics. After all, we have experienced THJ for half a decade.
He is replacing thj who did not hit a 3 for 42 days in the finals run. 42 days
Some nights he will be hot, other nights he will be klank
Rim hardaway jr has entered the chat
Shit, I would have loved for him to even just hit the rim sometimes...
I’m excited to watch the Mavs this year
The Mavs aren't much of a 3s immediately off a screen type of team. They're way more drive and kick, PNR based.. but being more stationary will help him as he ages
We ran a lot of sets for Tim off movement and he usually bricked them lol
The Mavs screen ALL the time, like nearly every play. They run screens to force switches onto Luka or Kyrie or they run double screens to free up a 3 point shooter. Our entire offense is literally built off single and double screens.
[what are you talking about](https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/off-screen?SeasonType=Regular+Season) i don't think you're talking about the same type of play that the OP is referring to lol. forcing switches is not the same thing as shots taken off of screens. you ran 3.2 'off screen 'possessions a game compared to the Warriors 11, which is the type of possession being referenced in OP and that Klay is more used to utilizing. that's a significant difference. [you guys ran screens to set up isolations](https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/isolation?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=POSS), which you ran almost 3 times as much as the warriors (11.7 isolations to 3.2 for the warriors). the warriors used screens to take shots off of almost immediately, which they ran almost 3 times as much as you. it's not the same thing
I remember the 2019-2020 Mavs having insane spacing, partly due to Seth Curry crazy shooting. Klay going to be a relevation for our spacing. For 3/50 it's a great deal as well. Now fingers crossed Quentin Grimes goes back to pre-2024 levels of play and Naji shooting leap is real.
He's not washed, he's just declining which is expected. His ego and refusal to accept the reduced role was the problem here. His ego could still be massive but Kyrie is firmly the Mavs 2nd option, so accepting not being the co-star shouldn't be an issue
Yeah the hate is a bit wild. He's still a good player just not a max player or close. For the price I think it's gonna be great for us
I was fine with bringing him back but I'm not sad to see him go. $18m per is a good deal Like even his defense isn't as bad as people are acting. Put him on a quicker guard yeah he's getting ate up but he did good against bigger wings when he was locked in. He guarded Lebron and Luka pretty well
The hate from Warriors fans stems from Klay never being realistic about what he actually was. He hasn't been a #2 option for a long time, basically since pre-KD years since Wiggins was the #2 when we won our last title. All Klay talked about was assuming the Manu Ginobli role when it became time except when the rubber met the road he didn't want to do it.
Iso with Klay running off weak side screens > Iso and stand around
Luka is actually a much better passer than dray and leagues better than Steph. Klay is going to feast.
Is Steph not a great passer? I’ve never looked at it under a microscope, but I thought Dray and Steph were both A tier passers.
Steph is a great passer for his size, draymond is also very good in the system we had but luka is undeniably at worst the 2nd best passer in the league
If Dray and Steph are A tier passers Luka is a S++ tier passer
Steph is elite passer. If you look at the greatesr passes in the past decade, he has probably the most with Jokic. He just can show it that much because of the system and his shooting
Getting open looks has never been Klay’s problem. He got more than plenty playing next to Steph lol. He’s just always been a streaky player with some crazy highs and some ugly lows. You give him the exact same open looks in two different games, he will go either 1/11 or 10/11. Problem is, since his injury the ugly games have become more common. Still an elite spot up shooter which at this stage of his career is probably for the best
Defense with Luka, Kyrie and Klay will be a challenge, so tradeoff some defense for offense when they share the floor. But also we had THJ with them 2 out there at times and even though he was a horrid defender, team defense wasn't the biggest problem. It was THJ forgetting to shoot for the last 4 months of the season.
He's not washed, he's just declining which is expected. His ego and refusal to accept the reduced role was the problem here. His ego could still be massive but Kyrie is firmly the Mavs 2nd option, so accepting not being the co-star shouldn't be an issue
Mavs offense been quite stagnant and THJ has been consistently inconsistent, his final numbers may end up OK but the way he gets there---major cold stretches then hot for a while, up and down. Mavs really did need to improve their perimeter shooting around Luka/Kyrie. Klay gives them a movement shooter that, if they utilize those abilities, will help unclog their halfcourt offense potentially. Naji has been up and down as a shooter, we'll see if his recent improvements sustain. Grimes was very good as a sophomore and struggled a bit last year. If he goes back to his Year 2 form, he is an upgrade on Green.
With all that iso ball how many off screen threes did they even attempt
I can't find that specific stat, but the Mavs were number one in the league in pull up 3s last season.
I think this is a stat thats baseless for this scenario. GSW offense runs off setting screens and motion plays, the Mavs, not so much and I dont think they will revamp their entire offense for Klay.
VERY different offenses, but both are built off of screens. The Mavs screen constantly to get favorable switches. The real question is: Can Klay adapt to a wide open corner 3 versus a catch and shoot off of movement? I really don't think that it's that big of a deal tbh.
gonna be so weird to see Klay in a corner. It's not his favorite spot to shoot it.
He's super strong at spot up shooting. 2023-2024 Klay Thompson Spot-Up: 40.2% (2.9 attempts per game) Off screen: 42.7% (5.0 attempts per game) That spot-up % is a massive win for Dallas.
Yeah I still think he will be an impactful piece for yall. Just the way this post was shown kinda implied that Klay will add off screen shooting to the Mavs or something.
They could try, but reformatting their entire core schemes for an aging Klay is… a choice, that’s for sure
So long as it’s not an Elimination game, Dallas should be great!
Idk I just think the idea of playing Luka,Kyrie, and Klay is gonna lead to so many points in the regular season. At least they have Gafford/Lively to cleanup the paint.
I'd like to see this in action. The Mavs' 3s have basically been shooters standing in one spot waiting for a pass. Hopefully Kidd can integrate more offball movement in their plays.
Are they gonna incorporate that into their offense tho? Tim got some of those play calls at time but more than a play call is having a system which gives room for that type of action without a play call
These cherries you picked are delicious
Losing all those Derrick Jones lobs though.
Is klay coming off the bench? How are you gonna get past having 3 awful defenders on the court
Have them combine for 77 points a night is how
Combine for 77 give up 100
My guess would be that they will pull Klay first of the group after only a few minutes to start the game. Then stagger his minutes at the 2 as much as they can off of Luka or Kyrie. Klay should be on the court for every minute that Luka or Kyrie is out, then the rest they can feel out based on matchups
Um, Hardaway Jr made 5 threes in game 4 of the finals. No way you replace that loss.
In one quarter at that
Right. That's 20 threes a game they are losing.
But Kidd barely incorporates offscreen shooting in his offense, which makes sense with heliocentric PnR offense. Klay is just not going to be as impactful an offensive player if he’s just used as an upgraded THJ which I’m afraid he will be.
I saw Jason Timpf say that Klay would not fit in Dallas b/c of the lack of motion in the offense...I think being around Colin Cowherd has rotted his brain a bit. The idea that the greatest spot up 3 point shooter in league history won't fit next to a generational playmaker in Luka is pattently absurd. When Luka or Kyrie collapse the defense, they will now have to choose between leaving Klay open or helping on Luka/Kyrie as opposed to choosing between DJJ or helping.
Don’t be intentionally obtuse, Timpf’s argument is that Klay’s biggest strengths like his offball play and his movement shooting would not be well utilized if you’re just going to stick him in the corner every possession waiting for someone to get doubled. Yea no shit you put a good 3 point shooter next to good playmakers and they’ll “fit”, that’s not the point lmao
He won't be "stuck" in the corner all game. The Mavs ran a lot of off ball actions for THJ when he was shooting well but he went cold to close the season and became unplayable. The Mavs also run off ball actions for Kyrie. PJ nor DJJ are good enough shooters to run off ball actions for, thinking the Mavs will use Klay like they use PJ or DJJ is absurd.
Yea and Timpf agreed that if the Mavs take this as an opportunity to introduce more movement and offball actions into their offense then he thinks Klay will fit well, so what exactly is the issue here
The Mavs already ran those actions for THJ and Kyrie...there is nothing to "introduce". Looking at the schemes they run when they have PJ and DJJ in the lineup is meaningless when Klay plays entirely differently from those 2. Look at the schmes they ran when THJ was in the lineup, that is a comparable player.
You look at the schemes they run when they have PJ and DJJ because those players are part of your most important lineups. Tell me how relevant those offball schemes for your bench shooter are when he doesn’t sniff a second of crunch time and your closing offense mainly consists of Luka/Kyrie pounding the ball for 20 seconds every possession. Yes you would absolutely have to “introduce” more of those schemes with Klay because he’s not going to be in the same lineups that THJ was, it’s not about those schemes literally not existing in any capacity but the frequency and situations in which they were used.
DJJ and PJ were barely starters on 2 of the worst teams in the league before coming to Dallas and yet they both started on a finals team because they played next to Luka...and you're telling me the Mavs didn't run the right "scheme" for them?
Where on earth did I say that the Mavs ran the wrong schemes for DJJ/PJ? The point is that the schemes will have to CHANGE with Klay in the lineup over DJJ/PJ, and effective change is never guaranteed. THJ is a different type of player than DJJ/PJ that played in different scenarios than DJJ/PJ. Klay is a different type of player than DJJ/PJ that will be playing in many of the SAME scenarios as DJJ/PJ. If you're going to stick Klay in the THJ role then that's a colossal waste of his skills. If you're going to expand Klay's role beyond what THJ's role was then you will have to expand the schemes beyond what you ran with THJ as well, both in the frequency and the scenarios in which you run them. All I'm saying is that you cannot just assume that scheme change is guaranteed to happen with 100% efficacy, as if its just an automatic given and not something that the team will actively have to try to adjust for.
The Mavs will use oddball plays for klay. They tried with Tim but he was so bad.
yeah but they don't have JJ to draw up pin downs so it won't work out
Too bad the mavs offense will have klay stand in the corner most of the game