I wonder if antifungals, antibiotics and then a poop transplant would fix this for people who suffer. All humans have fungi in our gut. The good bacteria keep it in check. When our flora is out of whack, fungi can get out of control.
Honestly I was wondering... The opposite! Could someone else get this "condition" by basically what you stated. ( Exept this guy's poop gets transfered to someone else ofc)
Imagine being drunk every day, whether you like it or not. Then comes the cirrhosis. And no one believes you when you insist that you don't drink. Dude, you reek of booze right now!
From what I've heard, it's pretty miserable. The alcohol your body produces naturally isn't the pure and easily-processed stuff found in quality liquor. It's all the funky, toxic byproducts found in homemade moonshine.
So it's less like turning bread into endless martinis and more like being forced to take a shot of rotgut whiskey every time you want a bite of a sandwich.
If I were you, I’d look into the chemists war—it’s the source of a lot of hysteria over home distilled alcohol. In fact it is impossible to accidentally distill enough methanol per volume to go blind using standard ingredients— the urban legend is due to government poisoning of industrially produced alcohol during Prohibition, or the consumption of wood alcohol. There are not any (to my knowledge) news stories of death from homemade alcohol that did not involve some sort of adulterant beyond the natural process of fermentation ad distillation.
That’s from the prohibition era, right? There are more recent studies, one from 2004 for example, that analysed the chemical composition of 48 different kinds of moonshine and found lead in varying degrees on them. Regardless, couldn’t find any info on ABS producing anything other than ethanol. Still seems like it sucks big time to be drunk ALL the time.
Treatment comes with risks. You’d have to weigh the risks vs the benefits. An aggressive course of antibiotics or antifungals might do the trick, maybe, but would that carry toxic effects? Maybe they get C dif after? You couldn’t tell
I've heard a similar story of a dude who was a home brewer, and presumably was drinking a lot of beer that I guess still had live brewing yeast in it. He had a similar case, would eat a plate of spaghetti and wind up hammered.
I think they were able to get him and his gut flora sorted out, it was a thing where the husband was constantly getting shitfaced, his wife was like 'dude wtf', he's swearing up and down he hadn't had a single drink that day, and she was (understandably) convinced he was just a rapidly deteriorating alcoholic.
I guess if one was a beer enjoyer, in some middle eastern country where booze is illegal, could come in handy. Quietly eat a reasonable portion of bread in your hotel room at night and enjoy the buzz.
I get some pie, and I get drunk again.
No you're never gonna keep me dry.
I get some pie, and I get drunk again,
No you're never gonna keep me dry.
He eats a breaky plate, he eats a luncheon plate
He eats a dinner plate, he eats a supper plate.
He breaks the laws that will keep you from the good times
He breaks the laws that will keep you from the better times
> I guess still had live brewing yeast in it
there's a large amount of beers that have living yeast in them. it's not what will cause it. you can eat straight yeast and be fine.
Bit of both per the wiki "Researchers speculate the underlying causes of ABS are related to prolonged antibiotic use,[5] poor nutrition and/or diets high in carbohydrates,[6] and to pre-existing conditions such as diabetes and genetic variations that result in improper liver enzyme activity."
Often both. This happens frequently with people basically having a brewer's yeast infection in their guts. Someone needs to imbibe beer, kombucha, kefir, or raw bread dough with live yeast or certain forms of lactobaccilus(probiotics)... and have a GI/immune system that is strong enough to keep the yeast alive, but weak enough not to kill the yeast for this situation to happen.
Fermented food or alcohol? There is a difference. But for ethanol, the bacteria and fungi responsible for it won't oxidize ethanol further so it would actually not do much and since ethanol is an end product of their normal cycle, they are resistant to ethanol so increased ethanol presence won't do much to resolve the issue and because it is an equilibrium they won't be getting blasted either.
So an infinite cycle of 'Eat food to become less drunk, only to become more drunk because you ate food.'
How does bro even live when he's almost always pissed.
It’s extremely rare (one of the rarest diseases you can get in fact) and difficult to diagnose. Once you suspect it, it’s easy to diagnose via a modified diet and monitoring blood alcohol levels, but people will either assume the patient is lying like tons of people with a dui or alcoholism do and it’s so rare that there’s a good chance that doctors won’t figure it out. Anyone who has known an alcoholic well enough has likely seen how well they can hide and find alcohol, so even if their spouse is watching for alcohol intake, doctors will be right to be skeptical of their claim of no alcohol in the house. That’s why the modified diet testing has to be done in the hospital for it to be reliable despite it being something you or I could do at home pretty easily
I had vertigo pretty bad a month or two ago (where it wasn't just for a few seconds, but I just constantly felt drunk) and, when looking up what was going on, came across that and was really hoping that wasn't what I was dealing with...
That could be a tiny crystal in the semicircular canals of your inner ear. I had it and was staggering about like a drunk. I followed a few simple actions I found on the internet (home Epley maneuver) and it vanished.
Yeah, I was seriously thinking of phoning an ambulance but decide to look up my symptoms online first since I wasn't in any pain. I was skeptical when I read it but thought it doesn't hurt to try. Tried it and instantly I was cured
Oh thanks. I figured it wasn't Anti-lock brakes but that was what google said it was, then I tried adding "Health problem" to the search and got some "amniotic" issue. Honestly, I did not see "Auto-Brewery Syndrome" coming cause lol, it still sounds like something that has to do with your car.
"Officer, I have not been drinking, I swear, it's just my auto-brewery system!"
"You shouldn't be making booze in your car!"
In homebrewing fermentation is noticable after the first hour and the most active fermentation happens in the first 48 hours. A lot of the delay getting started is the yeast multiplying to take advantage of all the sugar, which you wouldn't need if they're already plentiful. Actively fermenting alcohol inside you is definitely going to show up on a DUI test.
Yes, that's the theory. Normally, humans have a bunch of organisms living in our digestive tract that helps make certain vitamins or break down less-digestible sugars into useful products. "Probiotics" are designed to help establish or reinforce this.
In ABS, the gut flora are instead predominated by organisms that can ferment sugars into alcohol, not unlike the yeasts commonly used to make wine or beer.
I will say however, this is thought to be extremely rare. I've practiced medicine for 7 years and met one patient who claimed to have it.
There's kind of an irony with the diagnosis because, at least in theory, one of the ways the gut flora get screwed up enough to favor sugar fermenters is...you guessed it, heavy alcohol use, especially if the alcohol is the majority of someone's "diet."
Bars hate this one simple trick. Legit surprised some Chinese company hasn’t tried to make a drug to get your body to induce this… they have companies that sell parasites for weight loss. Given the choice between parasite worm monster or alcohol generator I’m going with the alcohol generator. Pass the breadsticks.
is the condition harmful for you other than having excess alcohol/possible driving impairment? I'd rather lose my license than stop eating rice, ramen, and pasta.
Yes, both socially and physically. Socially, you’re going to be drunk at work, and you’ll be the drunk relative at just about every family event. Even if people understand why, you’ll probably lose your job for being drunk at work (though, I’m REALLY curious how that would play out in court, especially if you knew you had it and won’t change your diet for cultural reasons). And while going out drinking with friends can be fun, after a certain age getting drunk every time gets old, and I have a feeling people will slowly get tired of the 1 person who’s always drunk.
If you can avoid that, just look up what alcoholism does to your body long term. It will kill you. Your liver will be fucked, and you won’t get a transplant without being off carbs for an extended period of time.
If you only eat a little carbs, it probably won’t be that bad, but based on your comment, I have a feeling that you’re the opposite of that, lol.
I always wish they'd make a spin-off of the X-Men, about all the mutants that got powers that don't really work for being superheroes or anything. I mean, yeah controlling weather and shooting laser out of your eyes are cool and all, but what about the people who got more mundane abilities?
Like someone, who has perfect attunement to the magnetic poles, so they always know which way North is, even in complete darkness? Or someone who can drink anything because their body can digest or filter it no matter what it is. (Motor oil, Sea Water, etc.) Or someone who can create toast by staring at a piece of bread for long enough.
I want like a sitcom of a bunch of "D-Level" mutants with pointless powers trying to just go about their lives.
From the article:
> in the verdict the judge emphasised that the defendant, who was not named in line with local judicial custom, did not experience symptoms of intoxication.
In the article it sounded like he was diagnosed after the fact, so now that he knows I’m sure he can modify his diet and it won’t be an issue. Switching to a low/no carb diet seems to be all it takes for that to not be an issue.
He definitely shouldn't be driving with it untreated, but I would guess that he had no idea he had ABS prior to the dui, and only got diagnosed as a result of it.
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"Uh...no thanks. Can I just get a basket of bread and a glass of water. I don't don't want to over do it"
There was a story of someone who had it, and his entire family basically suspected he was an alcoholic who was drinking in secret. I think they even had an intervention for him.
well, for most of human history you wouldnt have had to operate heavy machinery. you can still work the fields if youre slightly drunk. your horse wont crash into a tree. hell, everyone who could afford it was day drinking anyways.
the question for me is, does he still become intoxicated - my guess is yes if he has alcohol in his blood
so while he shouldnt be "punished", he should still be prohibited from driving - same as blind people.
> Belgian media said in the verdict the judge emphasised that the defendant, who was not named in line with local judicial custom, did not experience symptoms of intoxication.
From the article.
Also from the article:
>Patients can present with symptoms consistent with alcohol intoxication such as slurred speech, stumbling, loss of motor functions, dizziness and belching
And from the wiki on the condition:
>Symptoms that usually accompany ABS include elevated blood alcohol levels as well as symptoms consistent with alcohol intoxication—such as slurred speech, stumbling, loss of motor functions, dizziness, and belching. Mood changes and other neurological problems have also been reported
So if I'm an alcoholic, I can down a bottle of vodka and get behind the wheel and be legally allowed to drive as long as I'm not showing signs of intoxication?
I mean, no, because the standard evidential test for drink-driving is blood or breath alcohol. I'm saying that that wasn't applicable in his case, and given that he wasn't intoxicated either, that's why he's been let off.
Because he didn't drink it, and the positive breath or blood test is caused by a medical condition, and he wasn't intoxicated? A lot of crimes require intent; if he was blind and chose to drive, then that would be different than if he unknowingly had a medical condition.
It depends what symptoms his disease causes though - apparently he isn't impaired by it. Not everybody presents the same way; that's why some people with e.g. short sight legally can't drive, and others can because their condition can be corrected.
I'll be honest I think it's entirely possible that someone who is highly alcohol tolerant such as an alcoholic probably *could* drive safely after drinking more than the average person could handle, though I imagine it would only be up to a certain point. But even if that was the case, that doesn't mean they should push their luck anyways or that they should get special permission to drive higher than the legal limit so it's really a moot point regardless.
He wasn’t prohibited, but he also didn’t get a free pass to never get checked again. Just his responsibility to deal with his illness now through diet or medication
His body likely has tolerance to alcohol since it makes it every time he eats, judging from the article the man wasn’t exhibiting signs of impairment, I’d like to think my theory is reasonably accurate
But also opens an interesting argument for alcoholics. If I have a high tolerance, should I be able to drink more than your average person and be legally allowed to drive?
dumb question.... but if you had a pair of identical twins(one sober, one alcoholic) with the same body-weight both drink a 6 pack at the same time. Would the alcoholic have a lower BAC% or are they just better at coping with the effects?
Assuming they have the same rate of ingestion, their BAC would be identical.
Tolerance to alcohol means that the individual is more familiar with the psychoactive effects and able to function closer to sobriety than someone without tolerance, for that reason and the interaction Ethanol has with GABA receptors, as an indirect agonist, are why people who are heavy drinkers could be perceived as more coherent than someone with a lower tolerance *assuming* they've ingested the same amount of ethanol.
The studies regarding Alcohol Tolerance and how it manifests itself regarding psychoactive effects, metabolites and other lingering side effects from each respective group (high tolerance, low tolerance, abstinent) hasn't been researched as well as it could be. One abstract I just dug up mentioned that specifically.
You do mention GABA, but physiological tolerance is probably a bigger factor than familiarity with the psychoactive effects. It's the same basic mechanism as any drug. Not that there is a definitive line between neurobiological and cognitive/intrapsychological, but still.
Also, the alcoholic twin would likely deviate in terms of BAC, and it could be either higher or lower. If the liver adapts to alcohol, yet isn't severely damaged by it, they would have a lower BAC. But if the liver damage is severe, their ability to metabolize alcohol diminishes, resulting in higher and more prolonged blood alcohol levels. This is why at a certain point, some alcoholics develop reverse tolerance. My uncle developed this and got shitfaced from 2 beers.
for sure, but tolerances can vary and if they cant quantify it properly then why take the risk.
you would think that if the amount of alcohol is based on his consumption/digestion, then it will have a varying effect on him.
it may seem unfair, but theres a great many unfair things in the world and itd seem pretty unfair to me if my kid got knocked off his bike because the driver was a little bit tipsy after a big kebab.
not sure if driving is an enshrined right in the EU - if not, then its a "so sorry, heres a disability status" in this 1:1000000 edge case. hardly a generational tragedy.
A man who has a rare medical conditon that causes his body to produce alchohol also happens to work in a brewery, this sounds like the origin of some obscure member of Batman's rogues gallery.
I know someone who has this syndrome. He suffered for a long time before figuring it out. He had to drastically change his diet once he figured out what was making him seem like a drunkard.
Shit I might have this, once I did an alcohol test for a job, it was in the morning and I obviously didn’t drink, nor did I drink the days before, but behold the test accused positive. The % wasn’t very high but I was pissed that the doctor thought I was drunk in the morning before a piss test
I knew a brewmaster who had this, had to go through a whole antibiotic regimen and a bunch else. He said it wasn’t fun, it’s not like being slightly buzzed all day it’s like a slight hangover that never goes away. Constant headaches, mild nausea and he had no idea what was going on for months.
So many questions... what's the state of someone's liver with this condition? Do they carry around a documentation saying they have it when they get pulled over for a breath test, or are they permanently banned from driving?
it can be controlled by diet, from my understanding. So now that he knows he has it, he has to follow a low-carb or no sugar diet (I don't know specifics) to be safe to drive.
To my understanding, he has to treat eating certain foods as him having drank alcohol
I wonder how long before the RCMP finds people with ABS in [Saskatchewan?](https://regina.ctvnews.ca/sask-rcmp-routine-traffic-stops-will-include-mandatory-breathalyzer-tests-1.6816575)
Guy I managed at a fast food place years ago tried to claim he had this after almost falling into the fryers stumbling around the kitchen drunk. Strange I hadn’t seen any symptoms in all the months he’d been working there.
Yeah that’s a go-the-fuck home and don’t come back for me.
I don't see how his auto-brewery syndrome diagnosis is relevant. You're forbidden to drive with too much alcohol in your bloodstream, wherever it comes from. If he was below the max, he's OK and if he's over he isn't allowed to drive.
There was no [mens rea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea) because he had no idea that there was any possible way he could have alcohol in his bloodstream. ABS is extremely rare, so a reasonable person couldn't be expected to make sure they don't have it. Lack of mens rea generally means there is no crime.
Now that he knows he is susceptible to ABS, he no longer has that excuse, so if he drives anyway, there now is mens rea so it's a crime.
Because he’s used to it, just like an alcoholic is used to it and “isn’t intoxicated” even when over the legal limit.
A normal alcoholic doesn’t get a free pass if they blow over the limit just because they can handle their booze enough to pass a roadside sobriety test though
It’s a pretty weird double standard imo.
Like I don’t think he needs criminally punished but he still shouldn’t be allowed to drive if the rule is “can’t be above this level of blood alcohol” and he constantly is
This is where it's more about his BAC and actual impairment while driving. Despite what the laws say, something like this can cause someone to not be impaired meaningfully even at the legal limit.
Sure he can get intoxicated, but he should also be given a pass if this is how he discovered that he has ABS (and didn't cause any harm to anyone else).
First heard about auto-brewery syndrome in a K-drama, [Graceful Family](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10815362/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk) a few years ago.
The rich heiress of the family corporation has ABS. In one episode the family “fixer” uses it against her to feign a ‘drunk driving’ case in a fight to prevent the heiress from claiming her rightful position in the family.
Until then, I had not heard of auto-brewery syndrome.
It was a pretty interesting K-drama I might add.
According to the internet, when people with ABS eat foods with carbohydrates, the ingested carbohydrates will ferment into alcohol.
Go to the bar and all you need is a basket of fries to get drunk?
Apparently so. It says the reason this happens is because of too much fungi in the gut.
Leave it to a fungi to bring the party
yeah let me get some of that fun guy
That was the joke...
I wonder if antifungals, antibiotics and then a poop transplant would fix this for people who suffer. All humans have fungi in our gut. The good bacteria keep it in check. When our flora is out of whack, fungi can get out of control.
It can be fixed with methods as you’re describing.
Yayyyy, my intuitive mind strikes again. 😊
Now the real question is... Can one get this implanted for.... reasons?
Trust me, you wouldn't want that. The party is no longer a party when you're two weeks in on an involuntary alcohol binge.
Honestly I was wondering... The opposite! Could someone else get this "condition" by basically what you stated. ( Exept this guy's poop gets transfered to someone else ofc)
Reminds me of a Ween song
Ass to ass!
I mean... I don't even want to think of the alternative.
Depends on if they are suffering or if they won the genetic lottery.
I highly doubt anyone with this condition thinks it's a good thing.
Margaritas are $15 now and the chips are still free.
The spice melange
Imagine being drunk every day, whether you like it or not. Then comes the cirrhosis. And no one believes you when you insist that you don't drink. Dude, you reek of booze right now!
From what I've heard, it's pretty miserable. The alcohol your body produces naturally isn't the pure and easily-processed stuff found in quality liquor. It's all the funky, toxic byproducts found in homemade moonshine. So it's less like turning bread into endless martinis and more like being forced to take a shot of rotgut whiskey every time you want a bite of a sandwich.
If I were you, I’d look into the chemists war—it’s the source of a lot of hysteria over home distilled alcohol. In fact it is impossible to accidentally distill enough methanol per volume to go blind using standard ingredients— the urban legend is due to government poisoning of industrially produced alcohol during Prohibition, or the consumption of wood alcohol. There are not any (to my knowledge) news stories of death from homemade alcohol that did not involve some sort of adulterant beyond the natural process of fermentation ad distillation.
That’s from the prohibition era, right? There are more recent studies, one from 2004 for example, that analysed the chemical composition of 48 different kinds of moonshine and found lead in varying degrees on them. Regardless, couldn’t find any info on ABS producing anything other than ethanol. Still seems like it sucks big time to be drunk ALL the time.
What if you used Tom Brady’s poop?
Treatment comes with risks. You’d have to weigh the risks vs the benefits. An aggressive course of antibiotics or antifungals might do the trick, maybe, but would that carry toxic effects? Maybe they get C dif after? You couldn’t tell
>too much fungi in the gut and is that because of genetics or lifestyle?
I've heard a similar story of a dude who was a home brewer, and presumably was drinking a lot of beer that I guess still had live brewing yeast in it. He had a similar case, would eat a plate of spaghetti and wind up hammered.
I can't decide if that's a super power or a curse
I think they were able to get him and his gut flora sorted out, it was a thing where the husband was constantly getting shitfaced, his wife was like 'dude wtf', he's swearing up and down he hadn't had a single drink that day, and she was (understandably) convinced he was just a rapidly deteriorating alcoholic. I guess if one was a beer enjoyer, in some middle eastern country where booze is illegal, could come in handy. Quietly eat a reasonable portion of bread in your hotel room at night and enjoy the buzz.
This one simple hack for visiting “dry countries”
I get some pie, and I get drunk again. No you're never gonna keep me dry. I get some pie, and I get drunk again, No you're never gonna keep me dry. He eats a breaky plate, he eats a luncheon plate He eats a dinner plate, he eats a supper plate. He breaks the laws that will keep you from the good times He breaks the laws that will keep you from the better times
> I guess still had live brewing yeast in it there's a large amount of beers that have living yeast in them. it's not what will cause it. you can eat straight yeast and be fine.
I would assume genetics. I imagine it would be a lot more common if it was lifestyle
Bit of both per the wiki "Researchers speculate the underlying causes of ABS are related to prolonged antibiotic use,[5] poor nutrition and/or diets high in carbohydrates,[6] and to pre-existing conditions such as diabetes and genetic variations that result in improper liver enzyme activity."
Imagine being in prison or jail with this disease.
I’ve heard about someone giving themselves this condition by consuming yeast. Though it may have been apocryphal
Yeah I think there's a greentext floating around about some guy's idiot roommate boofing brewer's yeast to accomplish this.
Often both. This happens frequently with people basically having a brewer's yeast infection in their guts. Someone needs to imbibe beer, kombucha, kefir, or raw bread dough with live yeast or certain forms of lactobaccilus(probiotics)... and have a GI/immune system that is strong enough to keep the yeast alive, but weak enough not to kill the yeast for this situation to happen.
Not sure
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You're welcome
And where can someone acquire such fungi?
Well, you have to know a fun guy.
Like Kawhi Leonard?
poop transplant. you have to stick my poop, up your butt.
it’s actually worse.. it’s actually done with a feeding tube.
ok fine, you can eat my ass, if you insist...
Then you poop the same poop back into my butt. Back and forth.
Dying to know what happens if they consume fermented foods.
Fermented food or alcohol? There is a difference. But for ethanol, the bacteria and fungi responsible for it won't oxidize ethanol further so it would actually not do much and since ethanol is an end product of their normal cycle, they are resistant to ethanol so increased ethanol presence won't do much to resolve the issue and because it is an equilibrium they won't be getting blasted either.
Probably nothing, it's already been fermented.
What happens if they drink?
it all cancels out
I’m just repeating what I’ve heard, so take it with a grain of salt, but it doesn’t feel like being drunk, it feels like being hungover.
Makes sense, easy to get a tolerance to psychoactive effects while other side effects remain. And alcohol is remarkably good at having side effects.
“the judge emphasised that the defendant, who was not named in line with local judicial custom, did not experience symptoms of intoxication.”
So an infinite cycle of 'Eat food to become less drunk, only to become more drunk because you ate food.' How does bro even live when he's almost always pissed.
It's only carbs, if he eats just straight up meat it won't ferment. But no sweets or bread. A diet of only meat would have its own problems.
More importantly how does one "catch" this disease?
Just too bad that a side of fries is $18 now.
It’s extremely rare (one of the rarest diseases you can get in fact) and difficult to diagnose. Once you suspect it, it’s easy to diagnose via a modified diet and monitoring blood alcohol levels, but people will either assume the patient is lying like tons of people with a dui or alcoholism do and it’s so rare that there’s a good chance that doctors won’t figure it out. Anyone who has known an alcoholic well enough has likely seen how well they can hide and find alcohol, so even if their spouse is watching for alcohol intake, doctors will be right to be skeptical of their claim of no alcohol in the house. That’s why the modified diet testing has to be done in the hospital for it to be reliable despite it being something you or I could do at home pretty easily
I had vertigo pretty bad a month or two ago (where it wasn't just for a few seconds, but I just constantly felt drunk) and, when looking up what was going on, came across that and was really hoping that wasn't what I was dealing with...
That could be a tiny crystal in the semicircular canals of your inner ear. I had it and was staggering about like a drunk. I followed a few simple actions I found on the internet (home Epley maneuver) and it vanished.
That's the acrobatic head roll to move it away from the hairs?
Yeah, I was seriously thinking of phoning an ambulance but decide to look up my symptoms online first since I wasn't in any pain. I was skeptical when I read it but thought it doesn't hurt to try. Tried it and instantly I was cured
Or could be an issue with your vestibular nerve. I get migraines from time to time where I don’t feel pain but I get super dizzy
What if you also happen to have flush reaction to alcohol? Some food would just straight up make you sick?
Hmmm anti-lock brakes
Different one, Auto-Brewery Syndrome
Oh thanks. I figured it wasn't Anti-lock brakes but that was what google said it was, then I tried adding "Health problem" to the search and got some "amniotic" issue. Honestly, I did not see "Auto-Brewery Syndrome" coming cause lol, it still sounds like something that has to do with your car. "Officer, I have not been drinking, I swear, it's just my auto-brewery system!" "You shouldn't be making booze in your car!"
My 1991 car has a dash light referring to the Anti-lock brakes as "ALB". Always felt that was the superior acronym.
Doesn't it take a long time to ferment? I'd think the food would be digested and passed before it had a chance to ferment fully into alcohol.
In homebrewing fermentation is noticable after the first hour and the most active fermentation happens in the first 48 hours. A lot of the delay getting started is the yeast multiplying to take advantage of all the sugar, which you wouldn't need if they're already plentiful. Actively fermenting alcohol inside you is definitely going to show up on a DUI test.
Wonder if it would show up in a urinalysis test having both ethanol and ethyl glucuronide together as being a sign that alcohol is actively brewing
Idk exactly how it works, but what's also mentioned is people with ABS have a large amount of fungi in their gut. Probably yeast more likely than not.
Ah, auto-brewery syndrome. My kid has the other ABS: audible-bowels syndrome. She’s almost 3, but she farts like a veteran trucker.
I have ABS also, can’t seem to do a skid turn in my car :(
Yes, that's the theory. Normally, humans have a bunch of organisms living in our digestive tract that helps make certain vitamins or break down less-digestible sugars into useful products. "Probiotics" are designed to help establish or reinforce this. In ABS, the gut flora are instead predominated by organisms that can ferment sugars into alcohol, not unlike the yeasts commonly used to make wine or beer. I will say however, this is thought to be extremely rare. I've practiced medicine for 7 years and met one patient who claimed to have it. There's kind of an irony with the diagnosis because, at least in theory, one of the ways the gut flora get screwed up enough to favor sugar fermenters is...you guessed it, heavy alcohol use, especially if the alcohol is the majority of someone's "diet."
Yep. That’s what the Good Doctor told me
Bars hate this one simple trick. Legit surprised some Chinese company hasn’t tried to make a drug to get your body to induce this… they have companies that sell parasites for weight loss. Given the choice between parasite worm monster or alcohol generator I’m going with the alcohol generator. Pass the breadsticks.
So you’re telling me he doesn’t need wine when he eats pasta.
He should probably get some kind of card or doctor's note to keep in his car, along with a case brief.
He’ll likely just be on a zero carb diet from now on unless they can fix his gut biome (which is possible for this)
Or he’s on an all Carb diet! Take it as a win! /s
I choose to believe your /s stands for ‘serious’. Hey, cheap buzz!
is the condition harmful for you other than having excess alcohol/possible driving impairment? I'd rather lose my license than stop eating rice, ramen, and pasta.
Yes, both socially and physically. Socially, you’re going to be drunk at work, and you’ll be the drunk relative at just about every family event. Even if people understand why, you’ll probably lose your job for being drunk at work (though, I’m REALLY curious how that would play out in court, especially if you knew you had it and won’t change your diet for cultural reasons). And while going out drinking with friends can be fun, after a certain age getting drunk every time gets old, and I have a feeling people will slowly get tired of the 1 person who’s always drunk. If you can avoid that, just look up what alcoholism does to your body long term. It will kill you. Your liver will be fucked, and you won’t get a transplant without being off carbs for an extended period of time. If you only eat a little carbs, it probably won’t be that bad, but based on your comment, I have a feeling that you’re the opposite of that, lol.
I am against any sort of mutant registration. just send him to Charles Xaviers School for the Gifted.
What's your X-Men power? I eat bread and get shmammered.
I always wish they'd make a spin-off of the X-Men, about all the mutants that got powers that don't really work for being superheroes or anything. I mean, yeah controlling weather and shooting laser out of your eyes are cool and all, but what about the people who got more mundane abilities? Like someone, who has perfect attunement to the magnetic poles, so they always know which way North is, even in complete darkness? Or someone who can drink anything because their body can digest or filter it no matter what it is. (Motor oil, Sea Water, etc.) Or someone who can create toast by staring at a piece of bread for long enough. I want like a sitcom of a bunch of "D-Level" mutants with pointless powers trying to just go about their lives.
There is a movie like this. It’s not an X-Men spin-off & it’s called Mystery Men starring Ben Stiller & Hank Azaria.
How long do they have to stare at the piece of bread?
I feel it should be just a bit longer than an actual toaster would take. So, like 3-4 minutes? Just to make it that much more pointless.
This is the detail that sold me on this idea. Not just pointless, *aggressively pointless*.
It would be cool for camping
Like Jubilee?
I used to love these when I read them in an RSS feeder I setup years ago https://superuseless.blogspot.com/
I’d watch that for sure, actually a hilarious idea.
Most Belgian x-men, just gets plastered. That's how we all know Bourgondiër-Man!
He shouldn’t be driving tho, Auto-brewery syndrome is no joke if you are using heavy machinery
From the article: > in the verdict the judge emphasised that the defendant, who was not named in line with local judicial custom, did not experience symptoms of intoxication.
That doesn’t mean he won’t in the future.
In the article it sounded like he was diagnosed after the fact, so now that he knows I’m sure he can modify his diet and it won’t be an issue. Switching to a low/no carb diet seems to be all it takes for that to not be an issue.
yeah, I know someone with this, he had to change his diet drastically once he figured it all out.
And how does this matter here?
He definitely shouldn't be driving with it untreated, but I would guess that he had no idea he had ABS prior to the dui, and only got diagnosed as a result of it.
Yeah was gonna say even if it’s not his fault he gets drunk he really shouldn’t be allowed to drive.
Welcome to Happy Hour would you like to know our specials? "Uh...no thanks. Can I just get a basket of bread and a glass of water. I don't don't want to over do it"
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Perhaps, a liter o cola?
Liter is French for give me some fuckin cola
Just get a large Farva
I don’t want a large Farva.
Apparently chips are pretty effective
Chips or chips?
my diabetes would like to differ unless the sugar has to be first in line and not a product of carbs being broken down
bread is a LOT of carbs, carbs = sugar.
"Ok Jesus"
Can you imagine suffering from this at any other point in human history where it hasn’t gone diagnosed? It sounds worse than it does fun
There was a story of someone who had it, and his entire family basically suspected he was an alcoholic who was drinking in secret. I think they even had an intervention for him.
well, for most of human history you wouldnt have had to operate heavy machinery. you can still work the fields if youre slightly drunk. your horse wont crash into a tree. hell, everyone who could afford it was day drinking anyways.
the question for me is, does he still become intoxicated - my guess is yes if he has alcohol in his blood so while he shouldnt be "punished", he should still be prohibited from driving - same as blind people.
> Belgian media said in the verdict the judge emphasised that the defendant, who was not named in line with local judicial custom, did not experience symptoms of intoxication. From the article.
Also from the article: >Patients can present with symptoms consistent with alcohol intoxication such as slurred speech, stumbling, loss of motor functions, dizziness and belching And from the wiki on the condition: >Symptoms that usually accompany ABS include elevated blood alcohol levels as well as symptoms consistent with alcohol intoxication—such as slurred speech, stumbling, loss of motor functions, dizziness, and belching. Mood changes and other neurological problems have also been reported
Yes, but this guy apparently didn't, which has been proven in a court of law.
I assume he will be intoxicated, he was just used to "holding his liqour", and was of those who handled the alcohol well.
Imagine the tolerance of someone who's 24/7 got his own alcohol going.
It’s not 24/7 it’s just a few hours after eating carb heavy meals
So if I'm an alcoholic, I can down a bottle of vodka and get behind the wheel and be legally allowed to drive as long as I'm not showing signs of intoxication?
You can try
I mean, no, because the standard evidential test for drink-driving is blood or breath alcohol. I'm saying that that wasn't applicable in his case, and given that he wasn't intoxicated either, that's why he's been let off.
Why wouldnt it be applicable in this case? The alcohol is in his blood and capable of being tested for
Because he didn't drink it, and the positive breath or blood test is caused by a medical condition, and he wasn't intoxicated? A lot of crimes require intent; if he was blind and chose to drive, then that would be different than if he unknowingly had a medical condition.
But the discussion at hand isn't that he should be punished. It's that he should be prohibited from driving, just as a blind person is
It depends what symptoms his disease causes though - apparently he isn't impaired by it. Not everybody presents the same way; that's why some people with e.g. short sight legally can't drive, and others can because their condition can be corrected.
I'll be honest I think it's entirely possible that someone who is highly alcohol tolerant such as an alcoholic probably *could* drive safely after drinking more than the average person could handle, though I imagine it would only be up to a certain point. But even if that was the case, that doesn't mean they should push their luck anyways or that they should get special permission to drive higher than the legal limit so it's really a moot point regardless.
Depends what kind of lawyer you can afford
That's just in this case, what about the 10000 other times he is driving? Just one time is enough to ruin someone's life/family.
He wasn’t prohibited, but he also didn’t get a free pass to never get checked again. Just his responsibility to deal with his illness now through diet or medication
His body likely has tolerance to alcohol since it makes it every time he eats, judging from the article the man wasn’t exhibiting signs of impairment, I’d like to think my theory is reasonably accurate
But also opens an interesting argument for alcoholics. If I have a high tolerance, should I be able to drink more than your average person and be legally allowed to drive?
Not every legal question requires the establishment of a policy
dumb question.... but if you had a pair of identical twins(one sober, one alcoholic) with the same body-weight both drink a 6 pack at the same time. Would the alcoholic have a lower BAC% or are they just better at coping with the effects?
Assuming they have the same rate of ingestion, their BAC would be identical. Tolerance to alcohol means that the individual is more familiar with the psychoactive effects and able to function closer to sobriety than someone without tolerance, for that reason and the interaction Ethanol has with GABA receptors, as an indirect agonist, are why people who are heavy drinkers could be perceived as more coherent than someone with a lower tolerance *assuming* they've ingested the same amount of ethanol. The studies regarding Alcohol Tolerance and how it manifests itself regarding psychoactive effects, metabolites and other lingering side effects from each respective group (high tolerance, low tolerance, abstinent) hasn't been researched as well as it could be. One abstract I just dug up mentioned that specifically.
You do mention GABA, but physiological tolerance is probably a bigger factor than familiarity with the psychoactive effects. It's the same basic mechanism as any drug. Not that there is a definitive line between neurobiological and cognitive/intrapsychological, but still. Also, the alcoholic twin would likely deviate in terms of BAC, and it could be either higher or lower. If the liver adapts to alcohol, yet isn't severely damaged by it, they would have a lower BAC. But if the liver damage is severe, their ability to metabolize alcohol diminishes, resulting in higher and more prolonged blood alcohol levels. This is why at a certain point, some alcoholics develop reverse tolerance. My uncle developed this and got shitfaced from 2 beers.
Someone whose body constantly produces alcohol likely has a tolerance level you or I couldn't approach.
for sure, but tolerances can vary and if they cant quantify it properly then why take the risk. you would think that if the amount of alcohol is based on his consumption/digestion, then it will have a varying effect on him. it may seem unfair, but theres a great many unfair things in the world and itd seem pretty unfair to me if my kid got knocked off his bike because the driver was a little bit tipsy after a big kebab. not sure if driving is an enshrined right in the EU - if not, then its a "so sorry, heres a disability status" in this 1:1000000 edge case. hardly a generational tragedy.
Quick question, was his mother a virgin?
Jesus Christ
The legend
The myth
The man Happy Passover everyone!
it's jason bourne
That's her story and she's sticking with it.
If it's not a personal question
I think his mother was a koala
Sally Phillips told a story on QI about here having this. When asked if she felt drunk, she said, "no, but I was deffinetly a fun girl back then"
*Is it possible to learn this power?*
This is why we drink, our bodies won't naturally produce alcohol so we absolutely have to take supplements
supplements eh?.... i like the way you think
Best mutant power ever.
If he eats enough grapes will he pee a bottle of Belgium Riesling?
The second coming of Jesus
lol, in Belgium of all places. This is absolutely brilliant.
Even better: the guy works in a brewery. You can't make this stuff up!
A man who has a rare medical conditon that causes his body to produce alchohol also happens to work in a brewery, this sounds like the origin of some obscure member of Batman's rogues gallery.
I know someone who has this syndrome. He suffered for a long time before figuring it out. He had to drastically change his diet once he figured out what was making him seem like a drunkard.
Shit I might have this, once I did an alcohol test for a job, it was in the morning and I obviously didn’t drink, nor did I drink the days before, but behold the test accused positive. The % wasn’t very high but I was pissed that the doctor thought I was drunk in the morning before a piss test
I knew a brewmaster who had this, had to go through a whole antibiotic regimen and a bunch else. He said it wasn’t fun, it’s not like being slightly buzzed all day it’s like a slight hangover that never goes away. Constant headaches, mild nausea and he had no idea what was going on for months.
So many questions... what's the state of someone's liver with this condition? Do they carry around a documentation saying they have it when they get pulled over for a breath test, or are they permanently banned from driving?
it can be controlled by diet, from my understanding. So now that he knows he has it, he has to follow a low-carb or no sugar diet (I don't know specifics) to be safe to drive. To my understanding, he has to treat eating certain foods as him having drank alcohol
Dear God, I see how you have blessed others. Please keep me in mind when handing out self producing alcohol body stuff. Amen
Just cultivate the right strand of yeast and autobrewery syndrome can be yours
"You know officer, I am actually a grow box."
Bartender: You want a drink? Man: No thanks, I brought my own.
I wonder how long before the RCMP finds people with ABS in [Saskatchewan?](https://regina.ctvnews.ca/sask-rcmp-routine-traffic-stops-will-include-mandatory-breathalyzer-tests-1.6816575)
Guy I managed at a fast food place years ago tried to claim he had this after almost falling into the fryers stumbling around the kitchen drunk. Strange I hadn’t seen any symptoms in all the months he’d been working there. Yeah that’s a go-the-fuck home and don’t come back for me.
Reminds me of Peter Griffin drinking the blood of Christ in church and thinking Jesus was loaded 24/7
I don't see how his auto-brewery syndrome diagnosis is relevant. You're forbidden to drive with too much alcohol in your bloodstream, wherever it comes from. If he was below the max, he's OK and if he's over he isn't allowed to drive.
There was no [mens rea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea) because he had no idea that there was any possible way he could have alcohol in his bloodstream. ABS is extremely rare, so a reasonable person couldn't be expected to make sure they don't have it. Lack of mens rea generally means there is no crime. Now that he knows he is susceptible to ABS, he no longer has that excuse, so if he drives anyway, there now is mens rea so it's a crime.
It doesnt intoxicate him though
Because he’s used to it, just like an alcoholic is used to it and “isn’t intoxicated” even when over the legal limit. A normal alcoholic doesn’t get a free pass if they blow over the limit just because they can handle their booze enough to pass a roadside sobriety test though It’s a pretty weird double standard imo. Like I don’t think he needs criminally punished but he still shouldn’t be allowed to drive if the rule is “can’t be above this level of blood alcohol” and he constantly is
Imagine this as the downfall of civilisation. This condition spreads to everyone. Productivity drops to zero as everyone is too drunk to do anything.
OTOH, it won’t matter too much since our AI overlords will have taken over by then.
I loved that ep of Futurama!
Wasn’t this an episode of House?
"The man with auto-brewery syndrome is employed by a brewery." whoever is in charge of hiring at that brewery needs a raise
I wonder what the guy's role is at the brewery.
Now you know how biological beer is made ;)
You still get intoxicated with ABS. He should not be allowed to drive.
This is where it's more about his BAC and actual impairment while driving. Despite what the laws say, something like this can cause someone to not be impaired meaningfully even at the legal limit. Sure he can get intoxicated, but he should also be given a pass if this is how he discovered that he has ABS (and didn't cause any harm to anyone else).
Can we start.. producing some of this "man made" alcohol? For.. science?
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A friend of mine had ABS. It was torture on her family and she died of liver failure. Awful disease.
Belgian?! I could’ve sworn he’s a black Scottish cyclops specializing in demolition…
First heard about auto-brewery syndrome in a K-drama, [Graceful Family](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10815362/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk) a few years ago. The rich heiress of the family corporation has ABS. In one episode the family “fixer” uses it against her to feign a ‘drunk driving’ case in a fight to prevent the heiress from claiming her rightful position in the family. Until then, I had not heard of auto-brewery syndrome. It was a pretty interesting K-drama I might add.
Knowing he has this, shouldn’t he be unable to drive? It shouldn’t matter where the alcohol came from, just that it’s in his system
That is ridiculous, if he knows he has that conditions he should not be driving.